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rubbish. I will do that to broke guys too who cant stop stalking, so they leave me forever. mtcheeww

seeing some of these posts just made me sick sick and sick.

sad. We are not better than them

johnydon22:
Lmao you want to cherrypick this one? ok good let me fully demonstrate my stance.

I say: Their is God (Amadioha) (a claim)

you say: I dont believe you Prove it. .

my lack of proof to substantiate the existence of amadioha is proof enough for you to lack belief in my claim

You say: Their is a God (yahweh)(a claim)

i say: I dont believe you, prove it.

All you need do is provide proof, just like if i provide proof of amadioha it wouldnt be a claim anymore.
So till you can substantiate your claim with proof it remains a claim until proven otherwise.

And that is very simple. . . All we get is a very twisted poor flawed arguments . . . i think you fully grasp the position now. .

You said i should think independently for once. That is, not to bother about God or religion whatsoever and I've made it clear several times that i subscribe completely to the word of God. Hence, i am not going to and can never think independently.

You wouldn't ask me to do that if you do not see your self as an "independent thinker" . And i ask, how is it possible to have arrived at atheism without any internal or external persuasion?

And hey i didnt cherry pick. That is what you have always wanted me to do all this while.

simplex2:
Damn! How do you ever find yourself worthy when you think so low of yourself this way? You believe you don't deserve your life, that all men deserve to perish bla bla bla...

I'm grateful that I don't subscribe to this school of thought; ministry of condemnation!

Ministry of condemnation? how does this submission relate to the post you quoted?

Nobody deserves eternal life. Christ is the only one who can qualify us.

You are definitely not a christian.

udatso:
Where are the likes of Ifeann truthman2012 true2god basilico and the rest of them when you need them. Oh I forgot, they are busy with Muslims.

You guys should know it's totally unfair to leave An2elect2 here all by herself to take the heat.

take heat? hahahaha you mean random and senseless ramblings from atheists. Common.

udatso:
Questions aren't mine...... They are from johnydon22 and friends......... Only An2elect2 has been answering up to the event that she started falsifying her own statement.......
Read the op

Falsifying my own statement? LOL

frank317:
Of course my opinion does not matter

Lol... Atheists are trying to make u see how unreasonable ur belief is. It's just surprising you can't see it

If only that was true then your post would have made sense. (bolded)

tsephanyah:
THEY SAID THE STATE IS DESTROYED FULANI KILLING PEOPLE AND ZERO REDOPLYMD HOWZ THAT IS KUL

Hey.

Is there a benue whatsapp group or thread? And jzzzz did you just say zero redeployment!

johnydon22:
For once try and base your thinking based on you independent of any thing, lets see how it goes.

Oho! so you think you are an independent thinker? more jokes loading...

Why do you think this way in the first place? Why do you think God does not exist?

"independent" thinkers in the house. Can you share why you think you are "independent" in your thoughts
and how you came to erroneously believe God does not exist?

I want to see how "independent" you all are. Anybody?

And is johnydon22 still asking me if i will be punished for my Father's sin. Even when i've told Him several times that we all took the nature of sin which God by His infinite wisdom subjected all of us to.

SMH, common sense is not found in your religion, atheists. You cannot hold God responsible for man's fall. He is not accountable to anybody.

johnydon22:
But after all our discussion here, we just saw and understood it was not logical at all.

We saw the wickedness and pure unadulterated evil your alleged good book have imbedded in you by giving you the idea of people burning forever and be ok with it.

and the glaring contradictions you pour out. . . think its clear who the unreasonable one is.

For once try and base your thinking based on you independent of any thing, lets see how it goes.

The problem is not coming from the Word but you!

You talk of logic, then you should understand why God is God first. Who He is. What He loves and hate. When you understand this first, then it will make sense to you, mortal man. Look at you

LuckyG1:
Am Sorry An2elect you prove ontological but you are contradictory by argument...

Why should a perfect God creates an imperfect being?

It is just like buiding a car,instead of God building a car on four wheels,He decided to test your nature of existence and positivism by building that very car on three-tire wheels and the forth one on just the iron wheel.He as well removed the speedometer reader and your brake.But the car was darnishly sprayed with four sits.Notwithstanding,God was happy that he gave you an imperfect car with no speed reader,no brake, and other thing of no complete comfortability.

1)If you were to ask to take this car,will you take it?

2)If you have no ideal of what perceptive perfectionism is,will you say this car is imperfect?

3)If you were to use this car,how much will you strive as to reach your God-given destination without crashing on busy car users and pedestrians? For a car with no brake,will you ever have time to think if this car holds the imperfections or you or the car as well as you?

4)If this car with no brake be seen as a poison that if given to you on ingestion may end your existence four hours from now,don't you think God's care is moulded and mudded with corruptness either by him made or just our senses?

5)On failing to reach this destination,do you really think,you should be blamed or the car or God probably?

If a perfect demiurge creates an imperfect being,it means both perfection and imperfection is being housed by that God...

If i give you a gun to steal because I find it too indulging,if you were caught,do you think i should be free on impunity or by law face punishment?
Is it only who did the crime on the surface is the crime-maker?

Just like i said before CREATING A PERFECT BEING IS NOT POSSIBLE. You have to understand this impossibility first before you talk of who/what caused Adam to sin. Yes, man was created imperfect and made subject to a perfect God. It was His imperfect nature, owing to the fact that he was a man that led to his fall. And for being a subject of God he owes all his doings/responsibilities to God.

God cannot be blamed, because there is no law above God. The onus lies on man: to keep or break the law. It is the transgression of this law that is called sin. And this is also a rebellion against the Lawgiver.

What attracts punishment is not the imperfect nature itself, but the sin borne out of it.

You cannot hold the Lawgiver accountable for sin. Because He is not under the law and hence impossible for Him to sin or partake in sin.

frank317:
All sins deserves eternal death? Sadly u are comfortable with this. I deserve eternal death for lusting after a woman?
Sweetheart you might go about screaming I am a Christian but your so called good religion has turned you too a good beast.
Remember boko haram who kill infidels believe their sins deserves them to be beheaded. Pls what's the difference between a pretty girl like you and the boko boys?

frank317:
Finally, you have shown how confused u are. Look lady, its not about running mouth and shouting "I am a christian, I have experienced God", a little drilling from dear Johnny and you are spewing thrash. Just putting words together to make meaning ur belief.

frank317:
How in the world does this make sense to u. and ur God is going to punish me eternally for not understanding this crap?

frank317:
Finally, you have shown how confused u are. Look lady, its not about running mouth and shouting "I am a christian, I have experienced God", a little drilling from dear Johnny and you are spewing thrash. Just putting words together to make meaning ur belief.

Your opinion does not matter so i don't care what you think.

You atheists have proven to me how non sensible you all are. If I've told you i am a Christian who abides by the divine and of course logical word of God, and then you want me to turn around against the this Word and think like you, you are the unreasonable one who is battling with common sense!

johnydon22:
Am sure this doesnt even make sense to you a bit but you have no choice.

Am sure you never remembered eating an apple with adam cus honey you didnt, you were not in existence.

Someone that blames you and accuses you of being an accomplice in an act you know nothing about basically is totally flawed.

I ask again, since you think u were in Adam who allegedly was the first human then you must also have been in your father.

So is it right to punish you for the sins your father committed

You keep going in circles and is really tiring.

Everything that i've told you does not only make perfect sense to me but is the reality that all men must face whether here or beyond.

LuckyG1:
In otherwords,He is an indirect object of sin and rebelling in man.

God does not need to be indirectly active in wicked man, his(man) evil nature is enough for the job and journey to hell.

johnydon22:
An omnipotent, omniscient and perfect being needs people that will be giving glory? What does giving glory add or remove from something perfect. . Its a character flaw to be demanding love and worship all the worse threaten the people if they fail to give it.

What do you expect from God who made all things BY AND FOR Himself. Don't He have the right to run them as He pleases? Is that not why He is GOD!? your point is flawed

johnydon22:
Lets get this straight.

He created and imperfect man (even tho he is perfect and i am wondering how perfection can bore out imperfection.)

God created a man not God

johnydon22:
He created imperfect man

Knowing fully well that imperfect man has a tendency to sin, he was expecting imperfect man to be perfect when he created man to be imperfect.

God was not EXPECTING AN IMPERFECT MAN TO BE PERFECT. God does not expect the opposite of what He already knows!

johnydon22:
Then blames man who acted according his imperfect nature which god created. . Who really is the cause here. .

Was it the Perfect being that made an imperfect being or the imperfect being acting on his nature as made by the perfect being.

Just like i said before God did not create man to sin and He was not expecting Him not to sin either. He did not create sin because God cannot rebel against Himself. Sin is something that only man can commit that is why the blame and the guilt is upon man.

johnydon22:
How can perfection bring forth imperfection.

Wait a minute, god is supposed to be omniscient meaning he already knew all this would happen trillions of years before they did. . Now it begs me to ask "Who then is at fault here?

and how come he was surprised man fell when he must have known trillions of years before it happened?

how come he was expecting man not to sin when he must have known man will sin even before creating man.

Yes God knew man would fall and He expected it.

God creating an imperfect being is not a sin, what is sin is rebelling against God. And that is why man is to be blamed and punished for sin.

LuckyG1:
God did not created a man...

He created a psychological being,a rational mind,one with a thinking faculty...

So,he created all substances of His and Man's own earthly rational antinomies...

Well God created a man.

And to your last two statements, did i say otherwise anywhere?

LuckyG1:
God is with me now,and I do hope both Gods of ours is same?
Or not?

Are you not an atheist?

johnydon22:
So it is ok to blame you for the sin your father committed

You still do not get it. All of us inherited the nature of sin from Adam (not the consequent punishment for his disobedience). Why? because we all sinned in Adam! Now, i don't even expect you to understand that.

But that's the truth

LuckyG1:
Since God created a psychological Man,he had placed his world into an abyssless doom...

There is a way you think God should have created Man without his psychology and thoughts aligned to his nature to avoid earthly pervertion...

Please tell us...

God did not create man to rebel against Him but to give Him glory. God created man good but He did not create him as a perfect being. Hence his fall. Only God is perfect. To create a perfect being is like creating another God which is not possible.

johnydon22:
Al sins deserve eternal punishment? sorry to say this but dear you have a very sickening sense of morality. Since you can actually conceive humans burning forever and be ok with it. .

I hope when you have kids, prepare a burning room in the basement for them, push them in there if any of them does something wrong. . that'd be a very good way to emulate your god and he is a moral giver therefore it is the right thing to do.

So you inherited the sin of adam that you know nothing about?

You became sin because some dude sinned?

Your god bore this same grudge of adam's sin right from the beginning till now? ( Now isn't that a long time to bear a grudge? thats another character flaw. .)

even to the extent of condemning a day old child as a sin because of some adam.

So you think it is right to blame the sin of the father on the son who doesnt even have any idea what it is?

You still helping show more of ur god's character flops that wows me..

God in His infinite wisdom put all of us in Adam. We were all in Adam when he sinned and what we inherited was not the punishment for His personal sin but the nature of than sin, disobedience.

LuckyG1:
Since you don't know me in myself,a full blown mortal it thus means that you can never know in all the first cause of all causes...

And anything you suppose on that first cause is only a thing of experience and ideas.

Do you trust your senses?

You are a mortal and a man. Are you omnipresent?
The God that i serve is. All things are before Him. And He has found it pleasing to reveal Himself to me through Christ Jesus our Lord. That is why i know Him.
Comprende?

LuckyG1:
Since you don't know me in myself,a full blown mortal it thus means that you can never know in all the first cause of all causes...

And anything you suppose on that first cause is only a thing of experience and ideas.

Do you trust your senses?

You are a mortal and a man. Are you omnipresent?
The God that i serve is. All things are before Him. And He has found it pleasing to reveal Himself to me through Christ Jesus our Lord. That is why i know Him.
Comprende?

davien:
An2elect2, if a starving child steals to feed himself is that a sin that'll be worthy of eternal punishment?

Do men sin just once? even if they do, the wages of sin remains death

johnydon22:
Can you please point out one of this sins that deserves eternal punishment?



Just a few moments ago you asserted sin was a nature, human nature to be precise. . and according to u "god" created humans therefore he creature this sin. .

All sins deserve eternal death

I said we became sin or took on us the nature of sin as a result of the fall of Adam. Adam was a man that disobeyed God and hence sinned against God. Man's disobedience brought in sin or you can say, sin started from man. God did not create sin.

Rilwayne001:
Who is the father?

Have you ever wondered why Jesus said He is the door and also the Shepherd?

johnydon22:
lmao, even when he lacks basic morality himself.
With our own human morality we find it immoral to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment, so ur god fails woefully compared to a basic human sense of morality.

Morality is human, it belongs to no ism. It depends on no book, creed or supernatural for foundation because morality itself is a foundation.


[size=20] There we have it. . . Congratulations for that [/size] You just proved my assertion that you lack basic human morality.

Well judging from what i see your sense of morality learnt from this god is very sick. . . I find it unimaginable that a human could conceive others burning forever and be fine with that, you have no right to ever criticize anybody who hurts fellow humans with this your type of mindset because yours is worse.
Oh yes just like your god wiped out all the little children in the world, thats a very good show of morality there.



This is the part i shake my head and #Sighs.

And there he goes. He thinks his opinion matters. Hahahahuhuhu You don't know the source of human morality. Big joker!

LuckyG1:
Do you know me in myself?

Look i don't even know you, know about you not to talk of knowing you in yourself.

I know God because i have a relationship with Him.

davien:
How's about you stick to your own words instead of hiding behind the topic.....
Even still, why should there be a need for eternal punishment if by your belief "god" is "all-merciful"?

huhuhuhu

Did i derail? oh sorry o. I said something about eternal punishment and you jumped in from no where to attack.

Do you know the meaning of "all merciful"? maybe you should check where it is used in the bible and come back and tell me its contextual usage.

Am a Christian and i will not really on your limited knowledge of my infinite and invincible God.

logicman:
If it is agreed other religions would perish, can we safely assume it is their fault if they perish as a muslim,monk or whatever religion they believe in?

Yes we can safely agree that it is their fault if they perish. All men deserve to perish anyway cos of our sin/sins. But all those who seek God would find mercy.

Sin is our own doing not God's. And so we deserve alienation from God for it. johnydon22