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LuckyG1:
Will you rely on your senses that God can't change?

Or,you stand firmly to what others have said so far on God's immutability?

If you don't know ''God in himself,'' which is clearly possible,how then is it fair to acclaimed God's unchangeability?

You came to the conclusion that i don't know God in Himself. And now you want me to answer your question based on your assumed and of course false premise? mr pls ask me if i know God in Himself first.

johnydon22:
This shows a typical religious mindset. . . So even when you find something not right to you as long as your god indulges in it then it is right. . . This shows you dont really have a basis of human morality. . .

God is the basis of all human morality. He has placed in all men a law/ conscience that subconciously guides us in knowing what is right and wrong in our natural environment.

I do not find it wrong for God to punish sin eternally. In short it is very right for God to do so going by who He is and what sin is.

johnydon22:
Can you cut the chase and say if you find it to be right or not.
You basically lack independent basis of morality.

Ive answered this. Yes. And lol at "independent basis of morality" When there is God ?

johnydon22:
I take it to mean that if you see somewhere in the bible where it stipulates killing is ok (even tho many verses says this) then automatically killing must be moral to you. .

My God is not a minister of sin and Christianity upholds morality to its peak. The old testament was a symbol of the new. You wont understand that.

johnydon22:
From the way you are avoiding the question, am sure you find the situation to be unjust from your own human perspective but since god is doing it, and in other not to defy him then it must be right.

huhuhuhuhu

johnydon22:
This was exactly how one of you told me in one of my threads that "The infacticide committed in the flood fable must be good" I think their is need for re-evaluation of your moral foundation.

Everything that happened then was for a purpose and men do not deserve to live the next second. Your being alive, is because God is good and merciful not because you are good humanist or moralist. LOL. If God should judge you based on what you have done now, it is goodbye to you.

johnydon22:
So human nature is sin? You people need to check what is it you really worship, is it an imaginary guilt sold to you or fear.

A god that blames the sin of one man on every other lacks basic morality. It still begs the question, Is it right to blame another for the sin of another?

And human nature being sin, it is right then to say your god created sin.


And so it is right to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment yes?

I think even with the same yardstick human morality is measured this god failed in it.

And there you go. bla bla bla

johnydon22:
The bolded is exactly what am saying. . .

Justice means when a punishment fits the crime. Would you punish your child for a year for a sin he committed in a day? or let me rephrase it. . Would you burn your child for 24 hours over an offense he committed in a minute?

How then do you find it right and just to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment?

You don't get it.

To sin is to rebel against God. And a direct affront to His Sovereignty! We are not talking of a creature doing harm to another creature but sin against the Creator. What right or power do we really have to harm people in the most gruesome way for a petty crime they committed? none. We are all at the mercy of God. And in God's eyes, we all fall short equally.

You are viewing sin in a shallow way. Well, you are an atheist after all and as far as you are concerned sin is mere wrong doing and nothing much and therefore should be "merely punished"

But look, sin is more than that. I will tell you why. Mercy is given to Him that ask! Sin causes men NOT TO ASK for mercy. When God said seek me and you will find me, He means everything that He said. That is the only way to find God is to seek Him. Now, the eternal punishment rests on those who will never ask God for mercy or seek Him. And since they will never do this, they will have to bear the consequences of never doing it. Is this logical? yes.

God does not forgive men for nothing. Mercy must go with Justice and none will surpass the other.

johnydon22:
Am sure you know what Finite means.

Now human life is finite because it ends, at most 100 years or more.

Now you think it is right to punish a sin committed in a life span of 100 or

200 years even 10,000 years with a punishment that spans eternity?

Is this really justice to you?

The bible talks of an everlasting punishment of sinners. And says they'll burn day and night, for ever and ever. If i understand that right, it is saying an unending punishment for sin.

I don't know how that is going to happen but i know the bible does not teach annihilation of men's souls.

Now, the bible says God is not pleased with the death of a sinner and it is not something i should rejoice over too. But God cannot compromise His standards which are borne out of His nature. Its either God compromises His holy nature and takes back His Word (which can never happen) or He stands by what He is: unchanging.

johnydon22:
. . Lmao, so you cannot determine what you think to be right?. . Then it is right to say you are not human.

Speaking as a human with empathy; Do you see it[b] ok by you[/b] to punish a finite sin with an infinte punishment?

As a christian, which is my first identity, i uphold what my God has said is right. And all my thoughts and opinions and beliefs are aligned to the word of God. And i live for His glory

At 1st bolded. What i think can never supersede what is. If i think i will make an A in a course and i eventually make a B. Does it matter again that i thought i would score A?

2nd bold: Did i set the rule? The God that i serve is a holy God and cannot behold iniquity.

And i noticed you think sin is an act. Not. It is the nature of all men as a result of the fall of Adam. Simply put, sin is not just an act but a nature. We are sin ourselves.

When God says no to evil for ever, He is also saying no to evil doers for ever.

johnydon22:
Is it right to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment?

Okay let me just say i didn't see the finite.
Is it right? you asked. Who determines what is right?

johnydon22:
Is it right to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment?

finite sin? pls where did you get that from? can you quote the passage in the bible where sin is described as finite pls?

ayoku777:
No matter how Spirit filled we are, we are still just members of the body of Christ. We can't grow in grace and knowledge independently of other members of the body.

It is not everything that the Holy Spirit teaches us directly. Sometimes He teaches us by guiding us into all truth, through experiences, encounters and events in life and with one another.

Sometimes when you ask for understanding, He will not answer you directly. He might send you a book or cd by a servant of God. Sometimes He will guide you to switch on the TV; and Bam! a servant of God will be shedding light on an issue you need help with. Or He may lead you into a dicussion with believers, where what you need to know will just be brought up and dealt with.

Its the Holy Spirit answering your prayers and teaching you; using the members of the body of Christ.

If we shut out our spirit and claim we have the Holy Spirit, I don't need Pastors, or the brethren; we will remain in ignorance; and will be too proud to know it or admit it.

As Rick Joyner would say; "The Lord has put the helper in each of us because He wants us to help eachother and receive help from eachother."

The Holy Spirit is indeed the teacher, but He lives in every true believer; and teaches all of us through all of us.

The Holy Spirit is a river of living water, not an oasis of living water. River flows. We receive the Spirit and we impart the Spirit. He teaches us through others and teaches others through us. That's the cycle.

Having the Spirit doesn't not make us independent of the grace and knowledge God has given other brethren.

I was blessed to have a good leader, taught me how to
listen to messages, taught me how to pray, how to
give, how to go for evangelism etc

Who causes us to listen/hear? not the general hearing of the word but a special hearing granted to born again believers. Is a believer not suppose tolong for the word because of the new spirit in him/her?
Do you teach a child how to cry out when hungry?

If prayer is communication with God, do you, as a believer need a man to teach you to pray and worst still how to pray? Is praying not supposed to flow freely? We are talking about a loving relationship between a Father and a child. The child haven found mercy and grace needs to be told by a man how to kneel before his/her father? and what to say at each point.

Even how to give? i guess tithe and seed offering right? Or wait how to give to the poor? lol

Oh evangelism! every Christian's calling right? LOL

Please don't get me wrong, am not saying we should avoid the brethren or our leaders. For we need them all to grow. The leaders are suppose to guide us in line with the word of God and not give us rules and principles on how to follow it (the word). And the Holy spirit in us, who teaches all things, confirms them (all they tell us) in us.

davien:
is that why many perished in nepal? Or it's a result of it...

am talking of eternal punishment and you are talking of
nepal? pls stick to the topic

logicman:
THE BIBLE DIDNT MENTIN THEM, AND THE BIBLE NEVER MADE ANY PROVISION FOR THEM OR MAYBE IT WAS AN EXEMPTION,HENCE I AM WONDERING WHAT WILL BE THE FATE OF OTHER RELIGIONS, I AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE THOUGH, I AM HERE TO LEARN.

If they don't go through THAT WAY then they'll all perish

You read well.

That is what it says. Jesus has claimed to be the only way to the father. It logically follows that all other ways cannot lead to the Father.

hahahaha i just know Allah is not God and islam is false.

Did he say this

milowys77:
Checked this morning.. Delta state

Wow. Congratz!

please are call up letters out in schools. Anybody?

nonitilda:
my name was omitted in batch b 2014 and now in this batch c I did everything both online registration, school registration and paid 4000 naira. No mobilisation number was sent to me via text or email rather I saw it at the school board when the second list was sent, now my name was not included in those to receive call up letter meanwhile I got my call up no-2014182568. And nysc website is saying i have not been mobilised because valid details have not been sent from my school and if rectified I will probably join stream 2.when I already have my mobilization number. Need help on what to do

was it rectified?

stevikenna:
BAUCHI STATE I have never been to the north This is gonna be a nightmare

Bauchi na ovum o

Rilwayne001:
You noticed that too?

yep

cyprus000:
[size=15pt]hmm..baby I don't know oo!

I think we have to consult the gods of nairaland [/size]

Guy you dey fear me o!

Mods make una come see cyprus o. He has broken rule 16 so many times

cyprus000:
[size=15pt]
Oga na only you get all this titles?

E be lyk say you go borrow me some,bfor I go acquire my own leta [/size]

How come you got more than 150 shares

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jzzzzzzz and its still loading over 200 now

milowys77:
Yeah.. I paid yesterday and printed my green card, but my call up letter says load report failed, dunno what that means

Owkay. Thanks. That could be server problem.

DonCrust:
before u sign in into ur dashboard, you'll see an option that says "make payment" under Resume

Alright. Thank you xo xo

DonCrust:
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See attached image

I clicked on the first tab and it says i have to make payment first to print this letter. Letter o not slip.

Erm pls can i get the link to that pls?

pls can one proceed to camp without the green slip. Let's say she didn't register online, but has gotten her callup no and letter. Anybody?

milowys77:
Please I am hoping to make the 3k payment today, will I still be able to print my green card and call up letter online? I didn't pay initially because I thought it wasn't mandatory but I have realized that the only way to get my green card. Thanks

have you gotten a reply?

have you paid?

Stay there. Don't go and work to earn.

They only thing some people know is money money money. And when they hit it big through whatever means, they attribute it to God. Go and open your bible and read it loud if you can.

You probably think Jesus and his disciples spoke so well about those who chase riches/money

Maybe you mean another god, but definitely not the ONE of the bible.

And one more thing you don't have the power to cast out demons neither do you know the time, when people should be set free.

Men are such vile creatures. They would overthrow God if they could and enthrone themselves. You don't underestimate this evil nature. It can go to any length.

This issue of blaming demons and strange spirits for man's trespasses and short comings has eaten deep into the Nigerian church system. Which is completely wrong. Men are guilty and responsible for whatever befalls them and they should not be excused.

Am not saying demons can not have influence in our lives, and some do possess people but we know how their victims behave which is glaring to everyone.

sonoflucifer is the product of his vilest nature let loose.

OH MY GOD! ONLY GOD CAN DO THIS! GLORY!!!

This pretty sums it up:


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Tithes, a tenth of the land's crops production, were property of the Lord, to be used for the
widows, the fatherless, and the stranger in the land - not just for the priests' sole usage. Tithes were
supposed to be stored in a place commanded by God, to relieve those in need as well as to rejoice, when the
families and servants of the contributors were to eat in celebration from the tithed foods, together with the
priests. The priesthood of Aaron and the sons of Levi, which had commandments to take tithes from the
people, died with Christ's sacrifice of himself, establishing Christ as the everlasting priest of an everlasting
priesthood. So tithing died when the old priesthood died, when the Law died. Anyone who takes tithes is a
false prophet, antichrist, and a deceiver; and anyone who continues to pay tithes is denying Christ's
priesthood; both are subject to God's condemnation. Tithing died with the Levitical priesthood; the only
places tithing is referenced in the New Testament is the claim of the self-righteous Pharisee , and the
explanation of its death in Hebrews. The Apostle Paul instructed people to set aside funds from their
excess, but that was to relieve the poor, particularly the large numbers of poor brethren in Jerusalem.
Relieving the poor does not include supporting self-appointed pastors or to maintain an uncommanded
temple or building. Jesus, Paul , and Peter all denied those who solicited money for preaching; and as Christ
instructed his disciples: Freely (without pay) you have received, freely (without charge) give. Mat 10:8 .