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JackBizzle:
Tag-team of liars

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Undisputed heavyweight champions of fallacies

The Most illogical Logicboy. This hit you where it hurts.

EyeHateGod:
When will this nonesense stop? and what do u hope to achieve? and by the way do u think u the only one that has Access to the Internet?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. See as the thing Painnnn you.

devilmaycry:

seun ....comman see something oo

Devilmaycry? He indeed will cry, him and all the atheists.

FriendChoice:
You have no Shame in lieing. Isn't this below your post on the thread that we discuss. Foolish liar.

www.nairaland.com/3388693/christians-god-sex-
mary-ge

You can start by pinpointing my lies.

bqoND:
or else he will suddenly destroy you as it is written in your books. You and your god are weak beings. He is not healthy in his competition with other gods of his kind. He gets jealous whenever his followers leaves him for anoda god because he is unable to protect and provide for there needs. Instead of increasing his quality of delivery, he kills anyone who dare complain, or he may send his extremist soldiers to do his work. He tells them to keep on praying hoping one day he may decide to 'pick up their call', wasting productive hours on songs and praises because aside prayers, he feeds on them too.He Takes away people's family and claims responsibility. He says he gives and takes as he pleases without question. He has angel of death contact on speed dial. He placed their father in a garden bugged with a trap. Then he inserted a catalyst(serpent/satan) to speed up their destruction. He said we failed. Then place a curse on us for eternity. Curse so vile that my stomach turns whenever I read your holy book. And when you realise he cursed you for your first ever mistake. Mistake caused by he(god) programming you to be disobedient. I guess you won't mind. Cos you have been brainwashed. You no more use your brain.lol it's all washed out. Well.. that your god. Mine created me and all the things I see perfected in nature. From the universe to the smallest cell . I realise that the only way I can get to him understand him more is by studying what he has created. not what some drunk, sex raved lying ass wrote in some holy books. #teamlivelovelearn.

What is eating u up now?

Farmerforlife:
Do your research on Dr Ehrmann my friend. He is well known. Education opens eyes.

The whole Bible is an insertion. It has no validity. Anything therein is suspect, and is most probably a faked story, in the words of a multitude of objective scholars of Christian scripture (not those your pastors that claim to be former armed robbers, acquiring knowledge, and turning preachers overnight). There is no authenticity, or transmission to the Bible. Heck, you cannot even state that so and so is the author of this or that gospel, without using the words 'likely' and 'possibly'. I stand to be corrected. Please prove me wrong.

Gboooooom, on your face. You have no defends, you have now turned to foaming in the mouth.

Answer me. You Claim it was Angel Gabriel who spoke to mu harm mad. Without the Bible, you won't even know of an Angel Gabriel. Instead of you telling me how Angel Gabriel will give the Jews a mesage and wait 600years to change his mind and bring a different version to a Dwerfish fat Arab, you are stuck here yapping rust.

Next time, find your level.

Farmerforlife:
I mean that I have no interest in defending them to you. I am not interested in your taunts. They show a certain level of immaturity that would have been funny if it was not so sad. Do you really think that this is what will make me feel challenged and start dancing to your tune? Come on my friend, you should have left such strategies behind in primary school. Talk like a man.

Ok, teach me how to be a man by addressing the issue at hand.

Farmerforlife:
Lol, you guys always resort to the same tired juvenile-sounding abuse when you run out of ideas. I am really sorry for you. Do not worry, Sunday is just around the corner, when your pastor will give you an extra dose of reassurance in your faith for yet another week, by giving you the usual incomprehensible lecture filled with big grammar, and liberally sprayed with subtle demands for the filthy lucre. It doesn't change the fact that your whole faith is based on thin air.

I thought we were having a discussion here? How did my pastor come in and whether or not my faith is built on anything?

Without my faith, there wont even be anything close to Islam. I just wonder how you can keep a bolt face to call my faith a lie when you can't stand on your own and make sense without me.

Pls treat the issue at hand and forget what my pastor will tell me tomorrow. If you cant answer my query, the let me know.

APCsupporter:
Friendchoice do you understand what this guy is saying?

You don't? Are you sure you read it seeing you dont read anything written by a none muslim.

It wasnt written by a Christian, so read it.

APCsupporter:
You are beating around the bush

Why wasn't he just called a son instead of a BEGOTTEN SON

Are we going to remain in one question?

You have asked and i answered. I have asked pls answer.

FriendChoice:
You have no Shame in lieing. Isn't this below your post on the thread that we discuss. Foolish liar.

www.nairaland.com/3388693/christians-god-sex-
mary-ge

And you have any shame?

Where is APCsupporter? FriendChioce come and see muhammed priohetsied in the Vedas ooo.


The Bhavishya Purana has a reference regarding someone named Mahamada, which some people are very eager to make the claim that it means Prophet Mohammed, thus saying that the Prophet is predicted in the Vedic literature.

But before we come to that conclusion, with additional research, let us take a closer look to see what the full reference to Mahamada really says.


It is explained in the Bhavishya Purana (Parva 3, Khand 3, Adhya 3, verses 5-6) that “An illiterate mleccha [foreigner] teacher will appear, Mahamada is his name, and he will give religion to his fifth-class companions.”

This does not describe much in regard to his life, but it does mention someone by the name of Mahamada, and what he was expected to do, which was to give his own form of religion to the lower classes of his region.

Some people suggest this person to be Prophet Mohammed, and are, thus, most willing to accept that Prophet Mohammed was predicted in the Bhavishya Purana . Some Muslims then suggest that if he was predicted in this way by a Vedic text, then Hindus should all accept Mohammed and become Muslims.

However, on the other hand, it would seem odd that Muslims would accept a Vedic text to try to convince Hindus to become Muslims. But if we look at the full translation of this story, they may not want to jump to the conclusion that this story represents Prophet Mohammed.

So here is the Roman transliteration of the Sanskrit in the Bhavishya Purana , however accurate it may be (Prati Sarga: Part III, 3.3.5-27).
mahamadh ithi khayat, shishya-sakha-samniviyath 5
……. mahadev marusthal nivasinam.
mahadevthe snanya-pya punch-gavua samnivithya
tripurarsur-nashav bahu-maya pravathiney 7
malech-dharma shav shudhaya sat-chit-anandaya swarupye,
thva ma hei kinkare vidhii sharanaghatham 8
suta uvacha: ithi shurthiya sthav deva shabadh-mah nupaya tam,
gath-vaya bhojraj-ney mahakhaleshwar-sthale 9
malech-shu dhushita bhumi-vahika nam-vishritha
arya dharma hi nav-vathra vahike desh-darunya 10
vamu-vatra maha-mayi yo-sav dagdho myaa pura
tripuro bali-daithyane proshith punaragath 11
ayoni sa varo math prasava daithyo-vrudhan
mahamadh ithi khayath , paishacha-kruthi thathpar 12
nagathvaya thvya bhup paisachae desh-vartake
math prasadhayane bhupal tav shudhii prajayathe 13
thi shruthva nupshav svadesha-napu maragmath
mahamadh toi sdhav sindhu-thir mupaye-yav 14
uchav bhupati premane mahamadh-virshad
tva deva maharaja das-tva magath 15
mamo-chit sabhu jiya-dhatha tatpashya bho nup
ithi shruthya ththa hata para vismaya-magath16
malechdhano mathi-shasi-tatsaya bhupasaya darutho17
tucha tva kalidas-sthu rusha praah mahamadham
maya-thei nirmithi dhutharya nush-mohan-hethvei 18
hanishyami-duravara vahik purusha-dhamum
ityak va sa jidh shrimanava-raja-tathpar 19
japthya dush-sah-trayach tah-sahansh juhav sa
bhasm mutva sa mayavi malech-dev-tva-magath 20
maybhithashtu tachya-shyaa desh vahii-kamayuuah
guhitva svaguro-bhasm madaheen tva-magatham 21
swapiit tav bhu-ghyot-thro-shrumadh-tathpara
madaheen puro jath thosha trith sayam smurthaum 22
rathri sa dev-roop-shav bahu-maya-virshad
paisacha deha-marathaya bhojraj hi so trivith 23
arya-dharmo hei to raja-sarvoutham smurth
ishapraya karinayami paishacha dharma darunbhu 24
linga-chedri shikhaheen shamshu dhaari sa dhushak
yukhalapi sarva bhakshi bhavishyat jano maum 25
vina kaul cha pashav-thosha bhakshava matha maum
muslanav sanskar kushariv bhavishyat 26
tasman-musal-vanto hi jathiyo dharma dhushika
ithi pishacha-dharma mya kruth 27


To set the scene, in this section of the Bhavishya Purana , Shri Suta Gosvami first explained that previously, in the dynasty of King Shalivahana, there were ten kings who went to the heavenly planets after ruling for over 500 years. [This gives these kings roughly 50 years of rule for each one.] Then gradually the morality declined on the planet. At that time, Bhojaraja was the tenth of the kings on the earth [who would have ruled about 450 years after King Shalivahana].

When he saw that the moral law of conduct was declining, he went to conquer all the directions of his country with ten-thousand soldiers commanded by Kalidasa. He crossed the river Sindhu [modern Indus River] going northward and conquered over the gandharas [the area of Afghanistan], mlecchas [present-day region of Turkey], shakas , Kashmiris [Kashmir and present-day Pakistan], naravas, andsathas . Crossing the Sindhu, he conquered the mlecchas in Gandhar and the shaths in Kashmir. King Bhoj grabbed their treasure and then punished them.


Then, as verses 7-8 relate, the Aryan King Bhojaraja, who had already left India for the lands across the Sindhu River and to the west, meets Mahamada [some say this is Mohammed], the preceptor of the mleccha-dharma [religion of the mlecchas ], who had arrived with his followers.

Thereafter, however, the King went to worship the image of Lord Mahadev, the great god Shiva, situated in the marusthal , desert. King Bhoj bathed the image of Shiva with Ganges water and worshiped him in his mind with panchagavya (the five purificatory elements from the cow, consisting of milk, ghee, yogurt, cow dung, and cow urine), along with sandalwood paste, etc., and offered him, the image of Shiva, sincere prayers and devotion. King Bhoj prayed to Lord Mahadev, “O Girijanath who stays in the marusthal (land of deserts), I offer my prayers to you. You have forced maya [the illusory energy] to destroy Tripurasur [the demon Tripura]; but the mlecchas are now worshiping you.

You are pure and sat-chit-anand swaroop [eternal knowledge and bliss]. I am your sevak[servant]. I have come under your protection.”
Verses 10-27 relates next that Suta Goswami explained: After hearing the king’s prayers and being pleased with him, Lord Shiva said: “Let the King go to Mahakaleshwar (Ujjain) in the land of Vahika, which is now contaminated by mlecchas .

O King, the land where you are standing, that is popular by the name of Bahik, has been polluted by the mlecchas . In that terrible country there no longer exists Dharma.

There was a mystic demon named Tripura (Tripurasura), whom I have already burnt to ashes once before, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada and his deeds are like that of a ghost.

Therefore, O king, you should not go to this land of the evil ghost. By my mercy your intelligence will be purified.” [This would seem to indicate that this Mahamada was an incarnation of the demon Tripura.]

So hearing this, the king came back to his country and Mahamada came with them, but only to the bank of the river Sindhu. He was expert in expanding illusion, so he said to the king very pleasingly, “O great king, your god has become my servant. Just see, as he eats my remnants, so I will show you.”


The king became surprised when he saw this happening before them. Then in anger Kalidasa, the king’s commander, rebuked Mahamada, “O rascal, you have created an illusion to bewilder the king, I will kill you, you are the lowest…” Then the king left that area.


Later, in the form of a ghostly presence, the expert illusionist Mahamada appeared at night in front of King Bhojaraja and said: “O King, your religion is of course known as the best religion among all. Still, by the order of the Lord, I am going to establish a terrible and demoniac religion and enforce a strong creed over the meat-eaters [ mlecchas ].

My followers will be known by their cut [circumcised] genitals, they will have no shikha [tuft of hair on their head, like Brahmanas], but will have a beard, make noise loudly, and eat all kinds of animals except swine without observing any rituals.

They will perform purificatory acts with the musala, and thus be called musalman, and not purify their things with kusha grass [one of the Vedic customs]. Thus, I will be the originator of this adharmic [opposed to Vedic or Aryan Dharma] and demoniac religion of the meat-eating nations.”

After having heard all this, the Bhavishya Purana goes on to relate that King Bhojaraja returned to his land and palace, and that ghost of the man also went back to his own place.
It is lastly described how the intelligent king, Bhojaraja, established the language of Sanskrit amongst the threevarnas — the Brahmanas, Kshatriyas and Vaisyas — and for the Shudras he established prakrita-bhasha , the ordinary language spoken by common men. After ruling his kingdom for another 50 years, he went to the heavenly planets. The moral laws established by him were honored even by the demigods. The arya-varta , the pious land is situated between Vindhyachala and Himachala, or the mountains known as Vindhya and Himalaya. The Aryans reside there, but the varna-sankaras reside on the lower part of Vindhya. The musalman people were kept on the other [northwestern] side of the river Sindhu.
* * *
Thus, from the interpretations of the present editions of the Bhavishya Purana that are available, it seems to say there was someone named Mahamada that King Bhojaraja met in the desert, who was supposedly a reappearance of the Tripura demon, who would start his own religion for those mlecchas who are unable to follow the spiritual codes of the deeper aspects of spiritual culture, or Vedic Dharma, and who would also spread adharma , or that religion that would be opposed to Vedic Dharma. Plus, Mahamada knew and accepted the depth of the Vedic spiritual path and admitted to its superiority. But is Mahamada really Prophet Mohammed?

Pls Muslims answer. Does the description of Mahamada and his activities far from that of evil muhammed?

FriendChoice:
You have no Shame in lieing. Isn't this below your post on the thread that we discuss. Foolish liar.

www.nairaland.com/3388693/christians-god-sex-
mary-ge

Cc. Lalasticlala. Come get FriendChoice for insulting me.
He has defaulted nairaland rule No1. Get him out.

Muslims eat insults for food.

4everGod:
You just dropped a nuclear bomb on that guy.

How can someone claim a book and history that existed 600yrs before the quran was adulterated when the Same Quran made reference to the same book and history.

Did the Bible copy a single line from the Quran? No

Did the Quran lift from the Bible? YES

Is it not the one that copied from the other that stands a chance of being adulterated?

The Quran copied from the Bible and corrupted its own words while copying and in order to claim superiority now began spinning a web of lies claiming the Bible was corrupted.

All these headbangers people eh.

The heads they bang on the floor has scattered their little brians, they can't settle down to think.

You can imagine. If theres counterfeit, there must of necessity be an original. A counterfeit is always made from the original, but these headbangers claim the original is the counterfeit while the copied is the original.
What ridiculousness.

FriendChoice:
I know you're there. Since when I finished with you. Am referring to anyone who has not visited the link.

You finished with me by reffering me to the thread? Lolzzz Muslims sha.

FriendChoice:
Don't need to say anything. Here is the link for other people to see

www.nairaland.com/3388693/christians-god-sex-mary-ge

I dont need the link, check in there, i am there.

APCsupporter:
If we had judges I would have won already. If what you mentioned was the case then why did the bible refer to him as the ONLY begotten son of god? I presented a direct argument. Why are you doing corner-corner for kme?

You must think am new to the ways of Muslims. They clap for themselves by themselves in the middle of a debate. So go on, you won't be the last.


Christ is thus referred because he is the only one God emptied Himself into and manifested on earth, born by a human. No one else entered this realm through that means.


Amplified Bible Philippians 2:6

Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,

God poured out Himself into a human vessel and was born into the world, He called that manifestation 'A son'

The only one He begetted through that means. Something which baffles your allah. Till day, allah can't understand such mystery and it keeps him and his hordes restless.

Farmerforlife:
The tragic flaw in your premise is that you are relying for your first assumption on an improperly transmitted English translation of a Greek translation of a presumably Hebrew/ Aramaic translation of an unreliable hearsay evidence, written down completely anonymously, and which would not stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. Dr Bart Ehrmann is an authority ON the Bible. He states quite openly, the opinion held by many of those who really educate themselves on Biblical knowledge. Yahweh did not call Jesus any such thing, it is all cooked up. You need to prove the authenticity of your scriptures before you force its myths down our throats, or ask us to measure our much more reliably transmitted scriptures against them.

Would you allow yourself to think as well?

I smell a Rat here. A Bible scholar who claims God didn't call Jesus His son? Are you sure that man made that assertion or a Muslim as they are famous for fabrications pinned that on him?

You mean someone inserted this into the Bible?

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew:3:16

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew:3:17


While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
Luke:9:34

And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Luke:9:35


This is to confirm the Prophesy of Prophet Isaiah about the birth of Christ.

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew:1:23


This is the same Angel Gabriel who Muslims claim declared Jesus was just a slave of allah. Here he is professing Jesus as the Son of the MOST HIGH GOD.

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest God: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luke:1:32

You mean a certain someone inserted all these into both the old and new testaments to deceive us?

And yet you want us to believe a certain Jibril who waited 600 years to correct his mistake which he made by telling the Jews that Jesus was the Son of God, and telling a certian muhammed that it was a lie?

Has it ever occurred to you that muhammed could have lied?

How many people heard about the birth of Christ from this same Gabriel before He was born?

Gabriel talked to Daniel about it. David knew about it. Zacharia (John the Baptist's father heard about it, John the Baptist heard about it. Elizabeth heard about it. Mary heard about it, Joseph heard about it. By the same Angel Gabriel.


How many people aside from mohammed heard from jibril? None.

Are you sure you want to have this discussion?

Your ridiculousness is ridiculous.

FriendChoice:
You school Me. Hahahahaha.

This is the link Here: www.nairaland.com/3388693/christians-god-sex-mary-get

Fellow Nairalanders please visit and see how he schooled me. Laugh wan kill me.

He did school you, but the Islam in you won't let you admit your myopia.

Farmerforlife:
Yes, you need it. But I am not your servant. Pls go and look for teachers. I am not here for you.

You mean you dont know how to defend your claims? You come out here and make claims you can't prove? Smh for you.
When adults are talking next time, keep quiet.

Farmerforlife:
That is total nonsense, and you are indeed, very much wrong. There is nothing like a 'moderate' Muslim and a 'non moderate' Muslim. Islam is a moderate way in its entirety. There are only those who follow its percepts correctly, and those who follow their desires, then find a way to connect it to Islam. For those who submit truly to Allah, in substance and in form, there is Paradise. For those who do otherwise, whether opposing it in substance, or opposing it in form, or both, punishment. The severity and length of the punishment depending on the gravity of the act of disobedience.

That is all.

Are you kidding?

Do you actually believe what you typed or you don't know what your Holy Book says about this matter? Or maybe you want to lie and deceive those muslims who do not or can not read koran?

Shd we flood this thread with your koranic verses which talks about this matter?

Islam is death. Islam is wickedness. Islam is violent. Anyone who reads the koran turns out a terrorist. Murderous and a pedophile.

4everGod:
The problem with you muslims is that you never research. Your friend friendchoice opened a thread and made similar claims with the word BEGOTTEN and I schooled him there. I will be brief with you so I would allow you to carry out further research on your own.

When that scripture was translated it was translated from Greek and the word BEGOTTEN in greek is MONOGENÈS. When the interpreters were trying to translate into english they had to use words close enough to the original text hence their choice of the word BEGOTTEN.

however the word BEGOTTEN did not and does not do justice to the greek word MONOGENÈS which means ...THE UNIQUE ONE OR THE SPECIAL ONE OR THE CHOSEN AND SPECIAL ONE OR ONE AND ONLY OF HIS KIND.

It does not mean BEGOTTEN as in sex but the above I already stated.

I Know you might say I fabricated what I just wrote but I suggest you open up google and research the greek word for BEGOTTEN and its true meaning.

In this light your argument is defeated.

cc anas09

Thank you sir for schooling him, but he wont accept it since it doesn't talk about sex. The people are damaged goods.

APCsupporter:
Wait first. Does that mean that the verse I quoted was an invention by man and not actually in the bible? Cos I checked this post over and over again but I couldn't find a reasonable answer. I'm not interested in the drama between Jesus and the jews. Afterall you people are not even sure whether he was really god or the son of god.

If I should take your explanation, what about that word 'begotten'? Should I simply discard it? If you have no answer, you are free to bring yours

Are you sure you read the openings of my submission?

Are you sure you read everything i posted? because it explianed what befotten means.




Now, my turn.

Who or what killed mohammed? Poison or the council of allahs for being a false prophet?

Here is where the Allahs said THEY would kill a FALSE PROPHET IF HE LIES and fabricates what THEY did not send him.

Tafsir Jalafayn (koran 69:44-46).
And had he, namely the Prophet fabricated any lies agaiant US by communicating from US, that which we have not said, WE would have assuredly seized him, WE would have exacted Vengeance agaiant him as punishment by the right hand, by our strength and power,then we would have aasuredly severed his life artery, the AORTA of the heart, a vein that connects with it, and which if severed results to that person's death.

Now here is Mohamned confirming the words of the Allahs that he was a false prophet.

Sahih Al-Bakhari 4428

The prophet in his ailment in whiche he died, use to say
Oh Aisha, i still feel the pain caused by the meat i ate in Khaibar, and at this time, I FEEL AS IF MY AORTA IS BEING SEVERED from that poison.


Wait... Didn't mohammed know that the allahs will kill any false prophet who lies agaisnt them?

APCsupporter:
And think of praying forever in a supposed sweet place right?

You are a true disciple of Muhammed.

APCsupporter:
Very good.

John 3:16King James Version (KJV) says:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What is the meaning of beget?

1.(especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.

2.cause; bring about.

That verse implies that your god had sex with mary to give birth to jesus. He did that without asking her for any permission. What if she didn't like it? How can you just impregnate a woman just like that?

Before you ask me about the second meaning, keep in mind that the bible said ONLY begotten son. Your god created us all but jesus was his only begotten son.

I'm done

Who killed mohammed? Poison or Allah?

APCsupporter:
Very good.

John 3:16King James Version (KJV) says:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What is the meaning of beget?

1.(especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.

2.cause; bring about.

That verse implies that your god had sex with mary to give birth to jesus. He did that without asking her for any permission. What if she didn't like it? How can you just impregnate a woman just like that?

Before you ask me about the second meaning, keep in mind that the bible said ONLY begotten son. Your god created us all but jesus was his only begotten son.


I'm done

Come to think of it. What do you consider rape?

Now lets see.

Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent.

Going by the definition above will you say God raped Mary when Mary was informed and her will and consent sort before the Hloy Spirit came on her?

Luke 1:35. And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.


Amplified Bible Luke 1:30-35 And the angel said to her, Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found grace (free, spontaneous, absolute favor and loving-kindness) with God.


31. And listen! You will become pregnant and will give birth to a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus.

He will be great (eminent) and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to Him the throne of His forefather David, And He will reign over the house of Jacob throughout the ages; and of His reign there will be no end.

And Mary said to the angel, How can this be, since I have no [intimacy with any man as a] husband?

Then the angel said to her, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you [like a shining cloud]; and so the holy (pure, sinless) Thing (Offspring) which shall be born of you will be called the Son of God.

This has to be a world class rape, won't you say?

If you were a sincere person, (not to me, but to yourself), you would have seen how stupid and ridiculous your claim sounds.

Gabriel, having a rape convo with Mary the rape victim to be.

APCsupporter:
You are confused. We accept that Mary gave birth to Jesus as a virgin but Allah never had sex with her and jesus was not his son. The bible on the other hand, suggests that god begot( gave birth using sexual intercourse) jesus using mary.

Get your head out of the Kaaba for a minute maybe you can think less of sex, and be reasonable.

APCsupporter:
Very good.

John 3:16King James Version (KJV) says:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What is the meaning of beget?

1.(especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.

2.cause; bring about.

That verse implies that your god had sex with mary to give birth to jesus. He did that without asking her for any permission. What if she didn't like it? How can you just impregnate a woman just like that?

Before you ask me about the second meaning, keep in mind that the bible said ONLY begotten son. Your god created us all but jesus was his only begotten son.

I'm done

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. My o my. Muslims and sex.


Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1 , 14 ). Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, “The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’”


During His trial before the Jewish leaders, the High Priest demanded of Jesus, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God” ( Matthew 26:63 ). “’Yes, it is as you say,’ Jesus replied. ‘But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven’” (Matthew 26:64 ). The Jewish leaders responded by accusing Jesus of blasphemy ( Matthew 26:65-66 ). Later, before Pontius Pilate, “The Jews insisted, ‘We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He claimed to be the Son of God’” ( John 19:7 ). Why would His claiming to be the Son of God be considered blasphemy and be worthy of a death sentence? The Jewish leaders understood exactly what Jesus meant by the phrase “Son of God.” To be the Son of God is to be of the same nature as God. The Son of God is “of God.” The claim to be of the same nature as God—to in fact be God—was blasphemy to the Jewish leaders; therefore, they demanded Jesus’ death, in keeping with Leviticus 24:15 .
Hebrews 1:3 expresses this very clearly, “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being.”
Another example can be found in John 17:12 where Judas is described as the “ son of perdition .” John 6:71 tells us that Judas was the son of Simon. What does
John 17:12 mean by describing Judas as the “son of perdition”? The word perdition means “destruction, ruin, waste.” Judas was not the literal son of “ruin, destruction, and waste,” but those things were the identity of Judas' life. Judas was a manifestation of perdition. In this same way, Jesus is the Son of God. The Son of God is God. Jesus is God made manifest (John 1:1 , 14 ).
Am done. Now my turn.

Farmerforlife:
There is only one God. The One God of the Hebrews is the same as that of the Muslims... ask any Jew. They have however, erred in making Him their personal Deity, and becoming overconfident of His Vast Mercy and Forgiveness. For this reason, they have engaged in antropomorphism, making God to have the emotions and characteristics of man, 'shouting as a drunkard', ' wrestling with his servants (and losing), feeling jealous (of whom? He is God), working and resting etc. We know that this is the same God, but they have gone too far in these descriptions. The Christian God on the other hand, has more in common with Mithras, Orisis, Bacchus and other triumvirate gods conceived and celebrated by the early pagans in Rome, from whence Christianity finds its roots. Even the religious festivals celebrated in honour of these 'gods' has been taken over by Christianity, so we find no affinity there, nor do those who worship Yahweh. Till today, no self-respecting Jew will accept Jesus (ﷺ) as being a third of Yahweh. It is totally absurd in their opinion. Ask any of them. They have had nothing but contempt for the Christian doctrine for centuries.

I advise that you read some books on Christianity by Dr Bart Ehrmann (a qualified biblical expert and doctor of divinity).

You mean Dr Bart Ehrmann is more of an authority in this matter than the Holy Bible?

Guy, you know you cant accept that Yahweh is not allah? If you do that, you'd admitting that allah is an elementary god, which indeed he is.

How you know that these two deities are distinct is in their M.Os. One can't agree in something, while the other rejects that thing vehemently, yet you call them one.
Take this for instance.
The Angel which from old delivered the news that Jesus would be born, was the same Angel Gabriel who gave Jesus's parents his name and called him the son of God.

Yahweh Himself, Openly Called Jesus Christ his son to the hearing of people.


Then 600 Years later, the same Angel Gabriel appears to a man in the Arabian Peninsula and told him to forget and regard everything he had previously told the Jews about Jesus being the son of God, that now he was changing his mind, Jesus is indeed not the Son of God, but a slave of allah?

Does this make sense to you? Or it will make sense to you because you just can't allow yourself to think?

Even if i wasnt a Christian, i will question this absurdity.
One of them is lying and i think you know who is.

keenn:
OK

but you should try to understand my angle of reasoning. I was against the opinion of why most people will think agnostic and atheist are unlucky as regards finding a date/relationship/mate.

you would surprise of how many ladies here on this forum would wish to hangout with outstanding atheist/agonist as oppose to the religious ones that comment on this forum.

Should i repeat myself? Do you know how many prostitudes go to church on sundays?

APCsupporter:
I ask, why did your god rrape a mere mortal to give birth to his son?

Lets take it one after the other. You prove my God raped a woman, i prove your god died with an errection. Agreed?

Now you first, because i asked first.

From scriptures, prove my God raped a woman. 1 2,3, goo.

Lennycool:
LMAO. See Christians asking for proof. Lol. Where is the proof for a 4000 year old world wide flood, How did joshua make the sun stop moving when we all know that it is the earth that revolves around the sun, how did a whale swallow a human being for three days and that person still survived, how did all the earth's language come about because of the tower of babel. Use your head. The holy scriptures are fairytales.

Always Athiests and Muslims in one boat.


The deep Calleth to the deep.