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4kings:
Assume Mr.A & Mr.B live in a house together, and they always have argument about who is in charge of the house. A says its a supernatural being, B thinks its doesn't make sense. When external stuff happens to the house especially when it is against the principle of this being Mr.A talks about, next time when there are in a debate, Mr.B would always use that factor to make his point clear, and not because he expected any intervention from this supernatural being.
Now do you understand where i'm coming from?, atheist just bring up what ebuka said as a debating point, nothing more.

How does this make any sense biko? This fuy sef.

frank317:
Why are u so sure Crisis will arise tomorrow in her marriage, why are u wishing her marriage evil because she is dating an atheist. What the hell is wrong with u guys?
Don't crisis arise in Christian to Christian marriage? Why are u guys being hypocritic about marriage crises?

Crisis arises both for the righteous and the unrighteous alike, its who you have behind and beside that determines how you come out of it.

Am not wishing her evil, she has already built on a wrong foundation which is bound to collapse. She would either end up becoming an athiest or to bear the heat she will be subjected to later on in her marriage.
This girls are just about marriage without counting the cost.

What hapepened to "Be not unequally yoked?"

stephenmorris:
we are not willing to die,have u seen moslems attacking unbelievers verbally or physically, is it something you like,we are wiser than that these days ,we dont go about telling people physically except on social media

Ah guy. Did you just say this or because you lack words? Hahahahahaha. No, Mualims do not verbally attack you, they simple strap bombs and kill you.

Wonderdul, these atheists.

SpicyJosBabe:
I am a christian and in a relationship with an atheist and i think my post was the reason for OP's thread.
Wait o, are you trying to tell me that christian men dont beat their wives? I think this is based on personality and not really religion. Some people are very hot tempered religion nothwitsanding and can do anything.
The atheist i am dating can hardly hurt a fly unless if unduely provoked, but i think all men are like that irrespective of their belief.

Babe you are a Christian? Are you having sex with that atheist?

A Christian who kicks at Gods instructions.Wow. interesting.

Shey wen Crisis arises tomorrow, (which most definitly arise with time)and you cry out to God, but he wont listen(because u wont listen to Him and have built on a wrong foundation) You would murmur/ Complain giving your athiest boyfriend room insult God more?

Sitting in Church doesn't make one a christian, more than sitting in a garage makes one a Car.

DoctorAlien:
I just felt compelled to explain things to you.

1. GOD created you. He owns you.

2. GOD demands that you pay due obedience and respect to Him, as the Creator.

3. Sin is refusing to obey GOD.

4. GOD hates sin. His eyes are too pure to behold iniquity.

5. Sin pollutes GOD's creation. Disaster and death exist today because of sin. For the people who obey GOD, the presence of sin and its effect is enough torture.

6. GOD wants to rid His creation of sin and its effect, so that peace will reign.

7. It follows then that GOD will also get rid of those who have vowed to continue to practise sin, despite all the pleas and warnings from GOD.

Dont even worry your head, she knows. She wont just accept.

cloudgoddess:
What's unconditional about sending someone to an infinity of torture for not believing in you? There's obviously a condition there.

Or do you not know what unconditional actually means and are just repeating the same things you've heard in church for years upon years...


Where'd you hear this? Sounds really made up. In fact from what I've read it actually seems as though churches are losing attendees by the day.

Bring some evidence of those numbers otherwise it's just empty fabricated lies.

Cloudgodess, is it that you just won't accept that anyone who goes to hell does that willingly,or you don't have anything esle to say? Imagine you here right now doing what you doing, do you think it will be just to deny you your wish? U take a stand agaiant God. You choose death over life.

His unconditional love is expressed in him allowing, you draw his air while fighting and calling him names.

U have life right now and you have opportunity to turn a new leave, but you choose agaisnt it, instead you choose to cry when you have a choice.

Na waoo. Okay, kontunu

lexiconkabir:
Nobody is your worker here, learn to control your tongue and act as a girl should act according to Paul, don't let your tongue run like a tap without control......its not "girl-like".

Did Paul say that? Show me.

I thought he said i shd study to show myself aproved a workman/woman rightly dividing the word of truth?

Peter said...

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1 Peter:3:15

Sir, i am a soldier in the field. Wake me up, my weapon is ready, pointed at you.

For starters, King Jehu was the King ordained by Elisha before he died to kill Jezebel.
He was commissioned by God to avenged the house of Israel by killing Jezebel and all the bloodline of Ahab.

King Ahab had disobeyed the God of israel and married a woman from Sidon (Jezebel). Jezebel came into marriage with her gods, she made King Ahab worship idols and completely over ran the Temple of God with satanism. She killed God's prophets and made the worship of her gods national. Through witchcraft, she controlled Ahab as a Pun.

When Elisha was to end his ministry God commanded him to aniont Jehu as the King of Israel to avenge the blood of the Prophets.

You shall strike down the house of Ahab your master, that I may avenge the blood of My servants the prophets, and the blood of all the servants of the L ORD , at the hand of Jezebel. For the whole house of Ahab shall perish; and I will cut off from Ahab all the males in Israel, both bond and free (2 Kings 9 :7-.

What to learn from Jehu? Obedience to specific and direct instructions.

In the book of Hosea 1:4 we see God through Proohet Hosea saying, he would take revenge on the house of Jehu.

Meaning, God sent him on an errant, but he over did it. He over stepped his bounds.

Over zealousness can make us over do God's work.

The way we even criticise others and call men of God who we think are fake names.

Self righteousness makes us look and treat others as if they do not have the Holy Ghost just like us.

Even the way we treat Sinners counts. After all, we were once sinners and are even still sinning. If Christ treated us with disdain, we wont be in christ today.

The Sinners today are potentials saints and carriers of the gospel tomorrow. We shd be careful so that we won't end up working against God, thinking we are working for God.

As a matter of fact, we shd not work for God, we shd Walk with God.

Yes, the House of Ahab was wicked, they worshipped idols, and yes he was told to go and kill them, but not to over do it.

He even went to the extent of Killing King Ahaziah of Judah. Who sent him that one?


He exceeded his mandate and brought trouble to his house.

Was Jehu a good King? Here is what the Bible says.

However Jehu did not turn away from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who had made Israel sin, that is, from the golden calves that were at Bethel and Dan. And the L ORD said to Jehu, “Because you have done well in doing what is right in My sight, and have done to the house of Ahab all that was in My heart, your sons shall sit on the throne of Israel to the fourth generation.” But Jehu took no heed to walk in the law of the
L ORD God of Israel with all his heart; for he did not depart from the sins of Jeroboam, who had made Israel sin. (2 kings 10: 29-31).


What to learn from Jehu? I think, As a Christian, When God is judging your enemies do not be over joyed.


Here is what the Bible says about that.

Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:

Lest the LORD see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him.
Proverbs:24:17-18


Becareful when God decides to punish your enemies. Make you no go put music dey dance, If you do, God go change him mind. .

I no dey understand God sometimes.

Remeber Jonah?

He wanted destruction for sinners, but God wanted them saved.
God doesn't like it wen any man is being punished, but the soul that sins must die.

Cc. TheSixthSense.

APCsupporter:
Wait till tomorrow before you pass your judgement na. Won't you be observing? Unlike you who chickens out of arguments or beats around the bush, I will stand up like the man I am to provide answers and explanations and if I don't know anything, I will admit it instead of lying like you do

Lolzz. Aight, i'll let you go straight to the point.

*Observing mood activitated*

oyeludef:
Good evening men and brethren, this is a call for all of us in God's army to rise to the occasion, there is a revival of evil in d land, like Daniel we can change the tide of evil right from our secret chamber of prayer. This Kingdom has been given to us to possess et us not be too carried away by the affairs of the world dat we neglect our divine mandate. As u sleep in ur home, d evil once are out there plotting how to cause bloodshed nd chaos in our land. Recently i was chatting with an aboki(a security man). He told me was happened recently, he said a fellow of his was able to see where an ritual festival was taking place (usually a curfew is declared in such community) he said it was by mistake he came across d ppl in d bush nd it was by the grace of God be was able to escape from them as dey wanted to kill him but he had charms he used in defense. Wat surprised me was d fact dat he said u wont believe d calibre of ppl in society present at such traditional rite all stack naked. These are d ppl dat will still come to dictate in d affairs of our beloved communities nd nation. No wonder d Bible warns us to be weary of d world. Alot happening callsfor sober reflection and need for us to go back to our secret place of prayer. We are the light nd hope of the world , without us, d darkness will b terrible

These things baffles me. You mean people, adults, educated enlightened peopel are xonciously worshipping satan? Like they don't know they would end in hell?

FriendChoice:
I will attend to your questions. On one condition, if you sees the truth, you will accept it. When You agree on that conditio
ns, then we shall. Am little busy now later.

Dont worry, they will be a scale to measure what you term as truth, because in Islam, truth is defined differently from what the dictionary defines truth to mean.

To a Muslim what the koran calls truth is truth, regarless of it absurdities.
It is true that Pedophilia is right and acceptable to every muslim, because muhammed did it.

It is true that stealing from infidels is right because the koran says so and muhammed did.

It is true that muhammed was the best man who ever walked the earth. Yes, muhammed said it himself in the koran.

It is true that raping of Infidels is right to all muslims, because muhammed did it abd because the koran says so.

Its true that Peace is when Muslims kills infidels but the infidels must not retaliate.

Truth is when everyone agrees that muhammed is a prophet, even when the same koran says, a false prophet will be killed in a certain manner, and muhammed died in the exact manner.


Guy, your truth is hardly the truth as the world knows truth.

APCsupporter:
You are asking us these questions at this time of the night? All for what? But anyway, I will get back to you tomorrow in the morning. Just keep in mind that I am not a scholar

Hahahahahahahahahaha. Is that an escape tactics? You didn't seem so in the Thread FriendChoice opened.
You sounded like the Zakir Naik of Nl. (And i don't mean this as a compliment because it's not).
You shd feel insulted to be compared to Zakir Naik. That one there is a child in reasoning, yet very proud and arrogant in his empty and baseless rants. Really, you shd feel insulted

lexiconkabir:
Troll...

Your attention is needed in this thread. Go in there and school us.

https://www.nairaland.com/3396551/honest-survey-muslims-take-time#50037191

FriendChoice opened a thread and copied and pasted until his fingers knuckled, APCsupporter stood by him to ferment his lies. Now its time to convert some ignorant and misguided Christians. No1 being Anas09.

Bring it on Muslims.

4everGod:
That is eh. The guys make me always wonder what they did with their intelligence....Did it get mashed up via excessive head banging perhaps?

That's exactly it. Headbanging is the reason why they can't reason straight even if they wanted to.

JackBizzle:
An.ASS09, how far? Do you realise that there are more ex-christian stories here than ex-atheist ones?

I can show you from the Bible where am told to expect it, but can you do the same, Enh tata?

lexiconkabir:
Na you dey go heaven ba? Start rejoicing na;

Kabiru is that you? I didn't picture you as a good dancer. Do you dance in the Mosque

JackBizzle:
You keep making An ASSS of yourself.....maybe ur username (AnASS09) is fitting.


What did I say that is illogical. Point it out, I dare you!!

Lalasticlala, JackBizzle just insulted me here. Pls he needs to be taught to keep his tongue in check.

4everGod:
Hello My People. I would like to bring my Muslim brethrens attention to this thread and seek them to offer explanations on the below facts and truths.

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1. Does the Qur'an define the word "Allah"? IF YES PLEASE SHOW US WHERE AND OFFER AN EXPLANATION IF NO.

2. Was the name "Allah" revealed for the first time in the Qur'an? IF YES SHOW US WHERE AND IF NO OFFER US AN EXPLANATION

3. Does the Qur'an assume that its readers have already heard of "Allah"?

4. If we look into pre-Islamic Arabian history to see who "Allah" was before Muhammad would we find Allah? IF YES PLEASE SHOW US WHERE

5. According to Muslim tradition What Family was Muhammad born into Muhammad born into a Christian family and tribe, Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe, Was he born into a Pagan and tribe? ANSWER NEEDED PLEASE

6. What was the name of his father and what is the meaning of his fathers name?

7. Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

8. Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

9. Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

10. Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

11. What were some of the names/titles given to the moon-god by these Arab tribes? a) Sin, b) Hubul, c) Ilumquh, d)Al-ilah.

12. Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used of the Moon-god? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

13. Was the word "Allah" derived from "al-ilah?" IF NO SHOW US PROOF

14. Was the pagan "Allah" a high god in a pantheon of deities? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

15. Was he worshipped at the Kabah? IF NO SHOW US PROOF
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16. Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

17. Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

18. At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

19. Was the Kabah considered and approved as the "house of the Moon-god"? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

20. Did the name "Allah" eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

21. Did they call the Kabah the "house of Allah"? YES OR NO

22. Did the pagans develop religious rites in connection with the worship of their gods? IF NO EXPLAIN

23. Did the pagans practice the Pilgrimage, the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc.? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

24. Did Muhammad command his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca? IF NO THEN EXPLAIN Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78.

25. Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan religious rites? IF NO THEN EXPLAIN Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80.

26. Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called "the daughters of Allah"? IF NO SHOW US PROOF

27. Did the Qur'an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? IF NO THEN EXPLAIN THE STATEMENT In Surah 53:19-20.

28. Have those verses been "abrogated" out of the present Qur'an? YES OR NO and What were they called? "The Satanic Verses? YES OR NO

29. Was the crescent moon an ancient pagan symbol of the Moon-god throughout the ancient world? YES OR NO

30. Was it the religious symbol of the Moon-god in Arabia? YES OR NO

31. Were stars also used as pagan symbols of the daughers of Allah? YES OR NO

32. Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia use the crescent moon with several stars next to it as symbols of their faith? YES OR NO

33. Did Islam adopt the pagan crescent moon and stars as it religious symbol? YES OR NO

34. As Islam developed over the centuries, did it adopt pagan names, pagan ceremonies, pagan temples and pagan symbols? YES OR NO

35. Can Islam be the religion of Abraham if it is derived from paganism? YES OR NO

36. Do the Jews say that the Muslim "Allah" is their God too? YES OR NO


WITH ALL THE ABOVE ANSWERS YOU HAVE HONESTLY GIVEN AND EXPLAINED WHOSE GOD THEN IS ALLAH?[/b]

cc anas09 (observer) , farmerforlife, friendchoice, APCsupporter and all other muslims

As an observer, let me forewarn you not to get your hopes up as no muslim will step foot inside this threat. If they try it, Islam will be thrown open like a pandora box.
Bunch of liars. They all know the truth but can't speak it.

Farmerforlife:
Lol, go through your comments and mine and compare the respective quantity of profanity and abuse to see who is foaming at the mouth.

I surely do not know who mu harm mad is, but the Angel Gabriel is a messenger of God to the prophets of God. The real messages (not the Bible assertions) he delivered show continuity. A single message of God's unity, and a manual for how to maintain His trust upon mankind. On the contrary, it is Christianity which is completely strange. It claims that God gave mankind the laws and rules that would ensure that they find favour with Him, then suddenly changed His mind and decided that The e will no longer forgive them unless He sends His own 'begotten son' (whatever begotten means) to pretend to die on their behalf (because He is god, and god cannot really die, otherwise he wouldnt be god), before He can forgive them what He has been forgiving them since. Now THAT'S a major policy change.

By the way, line 1, word 8, should be 'defence'. You are beginning to rant. Are you under stress here?

You never attempt to answer any question directed at you. Smh.

Guy, go and drink kunu, and lie down, you are out of steam.

lexiconkabir:
Cant you make a single statement without insulting? Nawa for you o.

Are you Muhammed of Arabia? Why do you take what is directed to the thief as an insult to you?

Point out what i said that is a lie.

ypeace:
It is funny how they think the Qur'an is talking about 'Paul's letter to some people' as part of the Torah or Injeel.

Muslims are not that gullible to believe in junks written by unknown authors. The bible is their book and they have messed it up ( e.g is differences between RSV and KJV bibles).

They even accuse themselves of tampering o.


However, we believe that indeed revelations were given to Moses and Jesus.

Its so funny it is in this messed up book that i still see where the koran is plagiarised from. It is this same messed up book you all quote to validate your claims. This same book.
You claim muhammed was prophesied in this same messed up book. If it wasn't in this book, then the plausible thing would have been to present the real one presented or recommended to muhammed by allah, but all we see is muslims fighting to slot muhammed into this corrupt one. The best of mankind in a corrupt messed up book.

Una no dey reason?


Muslims are dafts.

lexiconkabir:
Damn its been long I did this, anyway I will be giving you the exegesis directly from ibn Al-kathir....



Ibn kathir says;

Allaah says to Muhammad: O Muhammad say;

(O People of the Scripture! You have nothing......) meaning no real religion until you adhere to and implement the Tawrah and the Injil. That is, until you believe in all the Books that you have that Allah revealed to the Prophets. These Books command following Muhammad and believing in his prophecy, all the while adhering to his Law.


Now going to the next verse makes it clearer that they were not happy that an ishmaelite was the prophet talked about in their books;

"Verily, the revelation that has come to you from your Lord makes many of them increase in rebellion and disbelief"

As we can see the people of the book were not happy that the seal of prophets came from the ishmaelites, they knew about the prophecy of Muhammad saying he will be coming from among their brethren(as found in the OT) but they never thought brethren means their other brothers(I.e ishmaelites), so Allaah tells that they have no religion until they follow the things in their books as regards the prophethood of Muhammad.







Ibn kathir again says:

What is meant here is that anyone who wants to find out about religion from them should argue with them in a manner that is better, as this will be more effective. Allah says:

(Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching...) (16:125).....


We believe in the previous undiluted scripture sent even though we didn't meet it, the ones we have today are diluted, and as for the diluted one we don't believe nor disbelieve in it, which is why one of the hadith reported by Abu hurayra says this;

The people of the Book would recite the Torah in Hebrew and explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. The Messenger of Allaah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not believe the people of the Book nor disbelieve them, but say: We have believed in Allaah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims in submission to Him.”

So the prophet replied with Allaah words found in sura al-baqarah verse 136.




Not really.....

Kabiru, Kabiru, Kabiru. How many times did i call you? Liars have their place in the lake of fire ooo. Allah/muhammed is there now, will you want to join him there?
Repent, repent, repent and be saved.

DavidTheGeek:
Please go read Surah 5:68 and Surah 29:46 in your holy book.

For the sake of others i'll quote them here.

Surah 5:68 - Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Injeel), and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord."

Surah 29:46: "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;"

NOTE: "People of the Book" are the Jews - Christians.

Even your holy book testifies to the authenticity of the bible.

APCsuppoter, FriendChoice. Here your own book speaks.
Farmerforlife, you said my faith is a lie, False Proohet Muhammed (even as a fasle prophet) had enough sense to direct you to where life is. Only, the demons in him didn't allow maintain his initial words.

Going in and out of the bush, sorry desert.
Confused man, that muhammed.

lexiconkabir:
A girl.

Hahahahahahahahahaha. E pain you.

udatso:
I don't know why I always forget she is. I remember been told that anas was a lady.

ON YOUR FACE.

JackBizzle:
Oh, hitler was a christian. He just wanted a more aggressive christianity

Oh dear. Why is Logicboy so illogical. Just hear yourself.

4kings:
OK.
But i think atheists only bring up such questions to make a point, not necessarily because they expect a God to intervene.

Which exactly. Does what you just said make any meaning even to you?

EyeHateGod:
An u now able to move mountain?

All of them. You can never realize how mountainous Pride, arrogance, hautiness, unforgiveness, anger, sexual sins, lured talking, lusts, maliciousness, hate, lies, bitterness are.
Try pulling them down from your life and see.

Am free.

4kings:
I don't know the definition of "a true christian", but sure if the christian thinks he is acting in accordance to Yahweh's will then why not.

I was hoping you'd back that up with a scripture to show he did what he did with the backing of heaven.

4kings:
Me too


What makes this God different from the rest? or Why should i choose this God from the thousands of options out there?

Oh, there are even other gods? I thought you said there are no gods at all. Its obvious your problems is not with the God concept, its actually with Jehovah.

Farmerforlife:
Lol, go through your comments and mine and compare the respective quantity of profanity and abuse to see who is foaming at the mouth.

I surely do not know who mu harm mad is, but the Angel Gabriel is a messenger of God to the prophets of God. The real messages (not the Bible assertions) he delivered show continuity. A single message of God's unity, and a manual for how to maintain His trust upon mankind. On the contrary, it is Christianity which is completely strange. It claims that God gave mankind the laws and rules that would ensure that they find favour with Him, then suddenly changed His mind and decided that He will no longer forgive them unless He sends His own 'begotten son' (whatever begotten means) to pretend to die on their behalf (because He is god, and god cannot really die, otherwise he wouldnt be god), before He can forgive them what He has been forgiving them since. Now THAT'S a major policy change.

By the way, line 1, word 8, should be 'defence'. You are beginning to rant. Are you under stress here?

And yet The Holy Bible did not pick a dot from the koran, but the koran would completely be irrelevant, utterly baseless without the Bible.

Guy, who killed Muhammed? Poison of allah?

EyeHateGod:
Anas babe how fa?

Far Above Principalities and Powers.