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justlove91:
OK like I said, I have answered this your question in my post, maybe you didn't read it but here it is again.
Like I said, billions of people have died and the fact that these few decide to come and reveal what matters in the end is an act of love, or don't you think, because they can likewise decide to leave us in our ignorance and do nothing, but the fact that they spend there time, energy to educate us is an expression of love.
Also, they warn us not to fall in the same pit they fall and not to make the same mistakes they made.
Likewise, they let us know what is important and matters in the end which is how you live your live thus saving us the trouble of spending useful time in observing stupid ritual and beliefs that add nothing to one's spirituality.
Are those not acts of love?
If you have information that will help your fellow man and you share it, is that not an act of love?
If you see a fellow man about to fall into the same mistake you were once a victim and you decide to tell him the consequence of that choice to save him from experiencing the same ill fate, is that also not an expression of love?

What pit did they fall into?


Which mistakes did they make while alive and what has their mistake caused them?


What are they warning us agaisnt?

Lolzzz. Observing stupid rituals indeed. I don't observe any rituals. Am a christian and as a Christian, Christ enjoins me to worship him in spirit and in truth. No rituals.

So there's time and energy in the spirit world?

You know? You are very so funny, you neglect and call the teachings of Christ "Limited and restricted", yet you choose to believe the preaching of the spirits of the dead.
To you the infomation they give is an act if love? YOU MEAN HE KIND OF INFORMATION LUCIFER GAVE TO EVE IN EDEN which landed them where we all are today?

Have you in your entire life ever picked a copy of the Holy Bible to read anything about Jesus Christ of Nazareth? Not the one you knew from the koran (because they are distinct characters) or do you want me to flood this thread with the teahings of Jesus christ about love?

Listen dear, Christ never had any other message other than love.

See how christians get killed everyday by muslims, yet we dont reply. Do you think we can't? Its easier to do violence than to hold back. But we hold back. Anyone of us who becomes a muslim, immidiately starts killing the same people he was at peace with, thats to tell you anyone can do it.

The love of Christ is what restrains us.

I have asked you countless times to tell me the contributions these beings have made, and all you can say is " Love". Can their peaching about love be more than the one Christ did?


Guy, you are decieved by DEMONS. FAMILIAR SPIRITS, EVIL SPIRITS MASQUARADING AS GOOD SPIRITS.

justlove91:
So because there teachings contradict your limited restricted Biblical dogma you think there're demons? Cool..

My limited, restricted Biblical dogma you say? Really.

Compared to these beings my Bible is limited and restricted? Really?


hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Wait... As far as you are concerned who are these beings exactly? And what is their contribution to humanity?

I think we may have to end this discource here becos its begining to veer into insults.

justlove91:
I later saw the post where Ali sina requested for prayer, I wonder what he is passing through, all the same I pray for strength to be given him to come out of that.

Does he sound like someone who doesn't believe in Christ' salvation? He needs God to save and deliver him
from the power of darkness, yet doesnt believe in Christ the way i do?
How do you know the kind of Christ i believe in sef?

I think you have not weaned yourself off Islam, no offends intended.

junaidinho:
i will remember NL and curse seun? please what are you saying do you think seun is my leader? i dont even know who seun his so stop this kind of talk

You'll understand it better by and by.

junaidinho:
dont you feel he is speaking to me with a language i cant understand since he is talking but cant hear him

This has become a game to you right? Well, i dont play around God.
You what? Goodluck with your games, but if you dont repent, you'd remember niaraland and you'd Curse Seun. Trust me, you will.

DeSepiero:
I wonder!
I remember the last time we argued, something similar to this happened. The question is straight forward and simple, why all the rigmarole? If you give an opinion will harm befall you?

I never asked you to decide for God what he should do. That would be outrageous.

I asked for "your opinion ASSUMING GOD DID SOMETHING".

Just like saying " Won't it be nice if God blessed a couple with children "?

I just wonder!

You sound like a child. You want to assume when the facts are before you. Am not stupid man.

Deicide:
I don't wanna play that Ignoramus game with u!

Ah, Otio. From when did quoting sxriptures become an ignoramus game?

You said God commanded Joshua to kill people, pls show who and who Joshua killed, now it has become a game?

If you dont know the scriptures just admit it, and stop claiming sense.

You come to NL and listen to all these ignoramus insult God, you join in without knowing anything about it.

justlove91:
I have answered this question already. ok, like what do you want from them, what would you have them give to express there love? just curious to know sir.

I know one who preached love and he gave something to express it. I shouldn't be the one to tell u what the beings shd give to humanity. Humanity didnt ask Christ to give them anything, He just.gave.

That is the question I shd ask you since you believe in them and belive their preaching of love.

I asked that question, dont turn it around. What have they done for humanity to express their love?

You believe them becos they preach love. lol.

justlove91:
You and this your demon

You don't believe in them doesn't mean they don't exist. And they are the best in hiding. For instance, right now they are hiding their true identity from you masquarading as good spirits. Just allow them take you as a host and see how your end will be.
Lol.

Ranchhoddas:
Once again I am left speechless.

Why, izit because am right? I've been watching your subtlity.

Ranchhoddas:
I only try to say things as they appear to me. The truth as I see it while always bearing in mind that I might be wrong.

And you always reasons with the ungodly. Things always appear to you like God is the enemy, and man has no blame whatsoever.

You subtly take side with satan by making it seem like the emminent Judgement of sins by God and punishment is too unfair to man. I never see you talk about the reaponsibilities of man. You seem to suggest that man shd be allowed to rebel, insult God, and still determine what his fate shd be.
Even as an earthly father, will you allow that in your house?

You are angry God created hellfire, even when its been pounded here over and over that God didn't create hell for man, that anyone who ends up there does that by choice, but you won't have any of that. To you God is so cruel to send an innocent man to such a place.
But here we are getting insulted, being called fools and deluded, we abandon our lives to bring Good news to you all, we are rebuffed and sometimes spat at, and the gospel is rejected. Yet you call God cruel for allowing man have his way.

It will be unjust for God to stop man from having his way and getting his just reward. Today i present before you life and dead, I ADVISE YOU TO CHOOSE LIFE THAT YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN MAY LIVE, FOR IF YOU CHIISE DEATH, YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN SHALL DIE.

you do the choosing, then enjoy what comes with it.

There are no middle grounds in this matter. In this world, some may decieve themselves by believing they are irreligious, so dont have to bother because theres no heaven or hell, (very hilarious), but the real truth is that, its either you are for God or for satan.

We are made to understand that outside of this world, the power of choice no long works. Where you choose while alive is where you'd go. Theres no place for those who didnt believe in God. For those who sympathised with satan and rejected the free gift of a new life, authmatically follow satan to the abode prepard for him as a reward for his rebellion.

What interests me the most in irreligiousity is that, anytime a discussion about God and satan comes up, the irreligious always takes the side of satan, you never see any of them stay clear or commend God for anything. Will such a one be considered irreligious?
If any man is without a religion, then he/she shd be neutral and unbiased, dont you think?


and i dont know what you consider as truth.

Without knowing what God has said about certain things, you indict Him every chance you get. You seem to think God is unjust in his dealings, but turn a blind eye to man's rebellion, maybe you do not consider man's activities rebellious?

A confused person doesnt only take a stand with one side of the devide, we know you are confused, if you are here and there at the same time, but that is hardly your case, you are always there, (Not that it matters anyways).

lordnicklaus:
Not really sis! Ps: have you tried what we talked about?
Cc analice107 Anas09

No. Am feeling godily this morning. Let satan get lost, i wont make myself sick for satan's sake.

justlove91:
My friend mediumship is not dark art or black magic, I also stay away from those and will not advice anybody to go into it.
Part of these entities mission is to prove the immortality of men on earth, so these spirits are really not angels or demons but people that were once inhabitants of this earth that as come to tell us that they still live on after there death.
You asked for the reason they preach love, well since they were once inhabitants of this earth, when they got to the other side, they find out that must of the beliefs they hold sacred were not really important and that what really matters there is how you live your life, so they come back to preach love for us to focus more on what is important which is love and to teach us to be ready to take full responsibility PERSONALY for our actions that are not in harmony with love.
I don't understand you o, is love expressed only by sacrificing one's life? and since there entities are already "dead" do you want them to kill themselves again? You ought to note that billions of people have died and the very fact that there few chose to come back and educate us is an act of love to me, don't you think? if you ask me, I will say they've given there time, experience, knowledge and mistakes and urge us not to fall in the same pit. If you're still not satisfied, what do you really want them to do? I mean what do you want them to sacrifice to show there love?
Have read hundreds of NDEs including atheists NDE, while most claim to saw Jesus, none says he preach salvation by his death, on less you read so called NDE by Christians like Sister Linda. Also, not all people that experienced NDE become a Christian, in fact must of them dissociate themselves from organised religion.
My friend you're just playing with words here, whether you say Jesus reap or pay for your sin is the same thing, the fact still remains that your were totally absolved of all responsibility to your sin. Nobody can pay any ransome for another man's transgressions, whatever YOU sow, YOU will reap.
You said: BEFORE THE LAW YOU'RE GUILTY BUT GO, I say go where? If the law finds your guilty you must suffer the consequences of breaking the law, there is no question of someone stepping in, the law of cause and effect can not be suspended because someone powerful stepped in for you.
It is precisely this kind of teachings that give people the confidence that they can continue to sin, Jesus grace is enough to step in for them. Some don't even try to improve themselves and eliminate bad behavior because in the long run, they believe someone will step in from them experiencing the effect of there mistakes. But on the other hand, if people come to the full realization that EVERY seed they plant with there thought, words or action they will surely taste of the fruit they will be more cautious.
Again, must love always be expressed by sacrificing your life?
Guy, I don't think am deceived.

You lack understand. Only one person sacrificed his life for all, and i never said the beings must offer themselves as an act of love.
I only drew and infference using Jeaus Christ. He preached unconditional love by giving to us what we wouldn't give to ourselves, and we never deserved it and didnt even know we needed it. On that bases i asked you, If these beings are preaching love (which can't be expressed wirhout giving), what have they given to mankind is the question. They can't give their lives, they are dead. Christ didnt give his life when he had died.

What did they do for us to express their love for us.

No one can love without giving.

[quote author=Topgainer post=49811719]There are plenty of mediums in Nigeria, the methods may differ but that is what they are. They collect a token to enable the affair run smoothly just like David Johnson was quick to add that to have him display his wares it comes with footing some bills.

I was watching Prophet Chris Okafor of talknado fame invoke the dead spirit of a village witch into a woman during a Sunday Live Service, the said spirit spoke at length as he(Chris) queried and wearied it out.
"Talk, who are you? what are you doing in this body? What have you done to this woman and her family? What have you done to her career? "
In the actual sense, the mannerism of the woman suddenly changed to that of the late popular Witch ( from the same town) who has now possessed her.
The Bible warned us of consultations with mediums more so now that the art is wide spread and easily learned. It called it abominable. Many of the newly commissioned mediums are out for business and the best business there is, is to give it a Christian undertone and make much profit in the name of seed offering and partnership to take the 'gospel' to the world.
Keep away from Mediums, Occultist and Promoters of Metaphysics. It doesn't pay at the end[/quotit

My dear, it doesnt pay at the end. When a demons takes a host, it doesnt let go, especially a host who willingly called for them. Hmmm

KingEbukasBlog:
He is a Christian though . I think he is simply confused .

A Christian (whether confused or not) who finds himself always taking side with ungosliness. Hmmm.

Ranchhoddas:
Rebuked by whom?

You.

Ranchhoddas:
So you agree that you commit all these fallacies but you just want to show that atheists commit them as well. You should know that that's a fallacy on its own- Tu quoque it's called.

I was rebuked for calling you an atheist, but i wont be told what you are.
But, I keep hearing the voice of Jacob but see the hands of Esau.

justlove91:
It seems you still strongly believe that nothing good can ever come out of mediumship, all thesame thanks for all your advice to be cautious and goodluck

Only one question i expected an answer from you, but i didnt get, anyways no shakes.

Goodluck.

justlove91:
My friend mediumship is not dark art or black magic, I also stay away from those and will not advice anybody to go into it.
Part of these entities mission is to prove the immortality of men on earth, so these spirits are really not angels or demons but people that were once inhabitants of this earth that as come to tell us that they still live on after there death.
You asked for the reason they preach love, well since they were once inhabitants of this earth, when they got to the other side, they find out that must of the beliefs they hold sacred were not really important and that what really matters there is how you live your life, so they come back to preach love for us to focus more on what is important which is love and to teach us to be ready to take full responsibility PERSONALY for our actions that are not in harmony with love.
I don't understand you o, is love expressed only by sacrificing one's life? and since there entities are already "dead" do you want them to kill themselves again? You ought to note that billions of people have died and the very fact that there few chose to come back and educate us is an act of love to me, don't you think? if you ask me, I will say they've given there time, experience, knowledge and mistakes and urge us not to fall in the same pit. If you're still not satisfied, what do you really want them to do? I mean what do you want them to sacrifice to show there love?
Have read hundreds of NDEs including atheists NDE, while most claim to saw Jesus, none says he preach salvation by his death, on less you read so called NDE by Christians like Sister Linda. Also, not all people that experienced NDE become a Christian, in fact must of them dissociate themselves from organised religion.
My friend you're just playing with words here, whether you say Jesus reap or pay for your sin is the same thing, the fact still remains that your were totally absolved of all responsibility to your sin. Nobody can pay any ransome for another man's transgressions, whatever YOU sow, YOU will reap.
You said: BEFORE THE LAW YOU'RE GUILTY BUT GO, I say go where? If the law finds your guilty you must suffer the consequences of breaking the law, there is no question of someone stepping in, the law of cause and effect can not be suspended because someone powerful stepped in for you.
It is precisely this kind of teachings that give people the confidence that they can continue to sin, Jesus grace is enough to step in for them. Some don't even try to improve themselves and eliminate bad behavior because in the long run, they believe someone will step in from them experiencing the effect of there mistakes. But on the other hand, if people come to the full realization that EVERY seed they plant with there thought, words or action they will surely taste of the fruit they will be more cautious.
Again, must love always be expressed by sacrificing your life?
Guy, I don't think am deceived.

Ok.

justlove91:
My guy I know what am saying, there are mediums and there are psychics, even though all mediums are psychics not all psychics are mediums. Soothsayers, fortune tellers are psychics not necessarily mediums.
About the author, I think he calls them demons because there teachings contradict most of what is in the Bible, because as you can also see, in chapter 13 of his book, he called them demons using the Bible to prove his point.
It seems you haven't read much about mediumship (Correct me if am wrong.)
You see like I said before, there entities are nothing but human spirits that were also once inhabitants of earth, they're no special calibre of spirits. In the light of that, since not all human can be called good, there are evil men also and when the evil once die, they continue there evil ways on the other side because death doesn't change anything in human, it is only a door way to another dimension.
These underdeveloped human spirits can also influence and talk through a medium and as we all know, nothing good can come out in this kind of unholy association. This is precisely the reason why mediums are advised and MUST be pure in emotion, thought, words and action so that only the good spirit of the same pure personality can approach and influence them.
If you study mediumship very well, you will come to know that even mediums are protected from the other side, in every seance, we've the control spirit who is in charge of who will be allowed to influence the medium, we also have the medium guide that protects the medium and lay off the evil spirits.
So in a way, you can say "demons" can influence mediums also, not all the spirits are good spirits on the other side, but it is important to note that these so called demons are simply underdeveloped human spirits that have continued there evil propensities on the other side.
Have read stories of people that have been harmed by improper handle of the Ouija board. Mediumship is not something that can be played with any how, if one feels his way of live is not that on the positive side, it is advice to stay off it to prevent being possessed by there evil HUMAN spirits.
So it is possible that the author is actually in touch with one of these evil spirits impersonating as Jesus which is way he was later attacked by the spirit.

Whatever you go, pls go on.

justlove91:
Well I believe he is not a Christian because:
1. He doesn't believe in Jesus death has atonement for sins.
2. He doesn't believe in eternal damnation as preached in the Bible.
3. He believed the Bible is a gold mine meaning not everything in the Bible is useful.
If you think this kind of person with these kinds of beliefs can also be called a Christian, then I also call him and myself a Christian.

Ok then. Even when i showed you his profile. He identified himaelf as a Christian, yet you say he is not. No wahala.

justlove91:
I promise to rely this as soon as I charge my battery.

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justlove91:
Thanks for you concern, I will keep that in mind and for the record, I don't belief in fallen angels.
One thing interest me in your post, you said your friend asked you to visit a medium, please are you are Nigerian? and those that mean there are mediums in Nigeria? would really like to know.

There are mediums everywhere. Oyibo gives them fanciful names. Soothsayers are Mesiums, witches are mediums, fortune tellers are mediums. Witches are mediums. Anyone who communicates with the dead for the purpose of getting info for the living is a medium.

You seem to thing that only the group in a Séance with one who calls the spirit of the dead is only a medium.

Mediumship is Necromancing, consulting the spirit of the dead to get info. Where do u think native doctors and soothsayers get their info from?
Aren't ancestors spirits of the dead?

Dont get confused dear. They are all the same, from the same source, you dont believe it doesn't change it.

I recommended a book to you, but you read it with biase.

The guy was a medium long before he became a Christian. He practiced mediunship for years believing the beings to come from God exactly as you do now.

If you remember, a fellow medium was the one who revealed to him that the beings they connect with are demons. The medium laughed at Gasson's ignorance.
as he went on praising the godly virtues of the being (Just like you are doing now), then that medium colleague laughed at his Naivity, then told him that the source was from satan.

It wasnt a Chriatian who told him that, it was a fellow Medium.
It was that information that set him off. All he had ever known was mediumship, nothing esle. It was shocking for him to hear that all along he was communicating with demons.

He still doubted the medium who told him that. He went from Church to Church trying to feel the difference, until he walked into one Church one evening. The Pastor if that then took him through the scriptures.

Do you remeber him writing that the demon who always acted like Jesus to him siezed him the last time he went on a trance? The demon knew that Gasson was getting out of it's grip, he almost killed him.

Why would a good being want to kill an agent who had served him faithfully for years?

Guy. You are soooo decieved.

Blackfire:
whatever u do stay away from medium. . .

I remember the story of Saul in the bible.
yes they tell u things exactly, but u have invited legions of fallen angels to your life.

my dad died 2 days ago , exactly on my birthday... someone ask me to go to medium to know who killed him... I laughed knowing the demonic torture that will follow.

my point is this ... stay away from medium..

You dad died and am knowing abt it on Niaraland. That is how it got? Well if thats how u want it. My condolense.

justlove91:
Did he write that? is he troubled? I feel for him if he really write that, I went through his site I didn't see that maybe you will be kind enough to provide a link.
Ali sina refers to himself as a Christian because he followed Christ teaching of love, he is not a Christian in the same way you are.
I would like to ask You, did he belief in Christ death as atonement for our sins? did he preach salvation by Jesus alone? did he belief in EVERYTHING in the Bible? remember he called the Bible a gold mine meaning it contains useful as wall as useless things just like a gold mine.

I tried copying the links, i couldnt.
Ali sina is a Chriatian sir. A chriatian is a follower of Christ's teachings. I dont know the kind of Christian u think i am.

If he doesn't believe in salvation he wont direct people to Christ.

justlove91:
Did he write that? is he troubled? I feel for him if he really write that, I went through his site I didn't see that maybe you will be kind enough to provide a link.
Ali sina refers to himself as a Christian because he followed Christ teaching of love, he is not a Christian in the same way you are.
I would like to ask You, did he belief in Christ death as atonement for our sins? did he preach salvation by Jesus alone? did he belief in EVERYTHING in the Bible? remember he called the Bible a gold mine meaning it contains useful as wall as useless things just like a gold mine.

I tried copying the links, i couldnt.
Ali sina is a Chriatian sir. A chriatian is a follower of Christ's teachings. I dont know the kind of Christian u think i am.

If he doesn't beleive in salvation he wont direct people to Christ.

naijababe:
Keep my moniker off your fingers man, I have no interest in playing those puerile games y'all like to play on NL. Take your b0ner elsewehere abeg!

Faith is a very personal and private matter, being godless does not make any of you eejits superior or clever even though y'all like to think so. Mtchew! Yeye dey smell.

No be small yeye dey smell.