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jesusjnr:
Hence God used EnthronedbyGod to confirm my claim of Jesus' appearance to me on this same thread where it was questioned.

But that now led to some christians questioning the image of Jesus which appeared to the Op (that's inclusive of those who initially believed the Op claims of visions where Jesus appeared to him and had no qualms about), just because it was the same image of Jesus that I said appeared to me, because several here cannot believe that Jesus who they "believe" in, could not possibly appear to me as the guy that first questioned it here.

Not knowing that the appearance of Jesus was nothing compared to what God has already entrusted me with, and that if seeing Jesus was so factorial, He would have appeared to me many times and over. But the reason He had not appeared to me before now was because He saw me as like a replica of Himself on Earth, hence didn't see the need for it.

And that He only appeared to me was as mere formality because my appointed time was at the doors, that why when He appeared just this once, He yet ensured that His once appearance was confirmed to this extent.

And to illustrate my point, i know someone who is very close to me spiritually, who Jesus had appeared to severally, despite that He had not appeared to me. But there's something she said long time ago that God had said to her, which is, that I was strong, but that she was in His hand.

So the reason Jesus never appeared to me since I started walk at the level of the Spirit could be drawn from that saying I suppose of God, because that's the same impression I have gotten severally ever since I began to abide by the Words of Jesus.

Because that was the same impression the first Satanist I had ever remembered meeting, held of me after he came across me in a bus park about sixteen years ago. Despite that it was the first time I was meeting him, he already knew who I was, and he asked me if I didn't see how he looked at me the first time?

And from then on he began to tell me how he was just coming back from a meeting held at the top of Zuma rock in Abuja from midnight to four, that can't I see how sleepy his eyes were, as he had not slept through out the night.

And he tried to lure me to join their group(can't recall the exact name he called it now) using the same baits that are being used by some Satanists here, inclusive of one who came to this thread, how most of the church leaders were also part of their group, calling the names of some of the most prominent, that they made them so. Also citing his own instance and some of his riches, etc., that they would also make me same if I joined.

So from what he said concerning me, despite that I was just meeting him for the first time, and yet "unknown" to the world, made know of the effect my efforts in the closet was already yielding in the spiritual real and an idea of what was to come.

To be continued.

Be quiet Nicolai, be quiet.

OkCornel:
^^^ I'll address your response shortly.


TV01, what is your understanding of the scriptures?

What do you refer to as the Scriptures?

1 John 2 v 26-27 clearly mentioned the Spirit of God will lead a believer into ALL TRUTH. Can all TRUTH be documented?

See questions.

[quote author=fablani post=82034848]our lord is good[/quote
Yes He is indeed.

Like I keep telling you, but you Keep evading thw point. The reason for this thread is for you to state the mistakes of the Churches you mentioned and how it relates to the discussion on demonology in EnthronedbyGod's thread. You are rigmaroling.

OkCornel:
Lies! Those that propagated the doctrine of Balaam and Nicolaitans in Pergamos did it with the objective of leading believers astray to worship other gods and commit sexual immorality. Please how does enthronedbyGod's exposure of the kingdom of darkness and testimonies of victory over them eventually lead believers into worshipping other gods ehn? Anas

Do you remember "Monogamous consensual same sex people who hurt no body, and how it went on and on even when it cannot be corroborated with scriptures? This is exactly what you are doing here. You want to teach demonology, you justify Yourself even when the very scriptures you quote testify against you.

OkCornel:
According to the gospel of Anas Chapter 4 v 2. Please back up this your analogy with scriptural examples. Eating food offered to idols as recorded in the scriptures was in the literal sense, and not this personal interpretation you are putting up here. Oya, show us where any of the Apostles or Prophets interpreted eating food meant for idols as swallowing wrong teachings? So what then is the difference between eating food offered to idols and heresies in the scriptural sense?

Now I see why you're so shallow when it comes to the Word of God. Lolzzzzz. There are three levels to interpret the Word.
The outer level.
The inner level
The Most inner level.
But, I see you remain at the outer level, hence you can accuse the Lord of having a conversation with satan and say He was teaching us about demons.

Jeremiah 15:16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.
1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

The Word of God is Spiritual food, but if some charlatan misuses it by teaching errors what do you think happens to the heater? The Lord calls the Word of God 'A two edges sword'. Meaning it can trim and give you life, but if not rightly used, it can consume you. Hence the Lord who is the Word is called 'A consuming fire'.

Right now, you are twisting the Word to teach demonology, you'd be feeding poison to anyone who believes your teachings and follow them.

OkCornel:
Read the scripture in context and stop adding your personal meanings to it. The situation in Pergamos referred to literal fornication. Sexual immorality. Nothing more to that.

Hahahahahahaha. You shd take your own advise, that is, if you know how to take the Word contextually.
Shd I also give you scriptures that God called idol worship fornication? lol. Bros, go to Bible school and stop this pls.

OkCornel:
You have successfully told us you can't differentiate between idolatry, fornication and adultery by lumping all these into one basket of unfaithfulness. Unfaithfulness was what the Prophets were addressing. Fornication and adultery means everything it means in its literal sense, same goes for idolatry.

If by this time you still do not know that adultery and fornication does not mean literal sex only, then I can't help you.

Maybe you shd take trip down to Isaiah and Jeremiah, they can help you.

OkCornel:
Now the million dollar question is, Did EnthronedbyGod do altar call for anybody to accept idols or the devil? nope. Did he encourage anyone to commit sinful lifestyle? nope!

Do you see people who porn movies or the manufacturers of guns and drugs making altar calls for people to accept their goods? No. They just put them out there.

We live in a time where people, especially those who believe they're called into the deliverance ministries are bombarding the people with unscriptural gospel of demons and their works, and people just lap them up, because very few wants the discipline that comes with following the Word.

Itchy ears.

OkCornel:
People are repenting genuinely, people are backsliding, people are being liberated from oppression, people are still in bondage due to their fear and ignorance, people are serving God for their bellies in various denominations. Have a holistic view rather than a parochial one

The bolded is why we preach the gospel of Christ. The Gospel which is good news. That is why I am here saying, 'Stop going on and on about Satan. He is the reason for fear and bondage in the hearts of men. Preach Christ not satan.

People have been serving God for their bellies from time. It didn't start today, it won't end today.

Which Commission was committed into your hands OKcornel? Remember when you are done here, it is the talent that was given to you to multiply is what will be demanded from you, not what you thought appropriate to invest in. No one send you this message of demonology.

OkCornel:
Who told you I am surprised? I am quoting what happened live in the early church which is still playing itself out today as Jude noted.

Check your tone.

OkCornel:
They were ignorant of Jesus' standard and compromised to accommodate fornication and idolatry which was prevalent in Pergamos traditions. So yes, they were ignorant of the wiles of the devil that eventually led them into error.

What you have just confirm here is that Jesus is inconsistent. He warned them against the deep things of satan. (Meaning, stay away from satan), but on the other hand, blamed them for not knowing more about satan hence fell into sin. The Col 2:8 you quoted clearly commanded us to steer clear demonology not go into it, how then wld Jesus blame people for not doing it?

OKcornel, the wiles of satan are not what you and yours are doing here. The wiles of satan arw the strategies he uses in trapping down his victims. Basically Pride, then others like anger, malice, fear, lying, stealing, sexual immoralities, unbelief, doubts, inconsistencies, double mindedness. Perversion of all kinds, Lust, idolatry etc. These are the wiles of satan, not the names of demons Nd what they do.

OkCornel:
You tell me how to connect it. How does EnthronedbyGod's exposure of the secrets of the Kingdom of darkness and testimonies of many others' victory on them automatically translate into idolatry and fornication?

He that is called of God speaks the word of God.

Go ye into all the world's and preach the gospel saying, 'The Kingdom of God is at hand's, repent and believe in whom God has sent

As my father has sent me, so send I you.

Which of these did EnthronedbyGod do?
Who sent him to preach demonology? Definitely not Jesus.
No matter how hard you try to hark at this, it won't cut.

OkCornel:
Pretty sad you cannot connect the dots. Just as the Pergamos church compromised to allow sinful lifestyle of idolatry and fornication into their church, so do churches today compromise on Christ's standards all for the crowd and money. They tone down messages of repentance and rather more of Grace and Liberty, thus preaching lopsided doctrines leading a lot of people to error. Just like the Pergamos church.

Lol. The Pergamum Church fell into fornication and idolatry because they hung out with people who did not insist on teaching the gospel of Christ, just like you and yours here. You wld rather talk about satan than Jesus, but you in particular turned around to call them Cowards for being afraid of satan. Woe betide you.

OkCornel:
Since you asked how such doctrines constitute a stumbling block to believers today.

Yes, I did, and I'm yet to get a reasonable scriptural response from you.

OkCornel:
So far, I have answered the following questions regarding the Pergamos Church

1. Meaning of the seat of Satan
2. The doctrines of Balaam, and how are those doctrines casting stumbling blocks on today's Christians
3. The doctrines of the Nicolaitans

You are yet to say how their mistakes relate with exposing satan. I'm saying Jesus warned us against what you abd yours were doing, based on that you said that was how the Church in Pergamos and Thyatira made mistakes. So, why mistakes did they make relating to what EnthronedbyGod was doing?

OkCornel:
This question you are asking is a joke right? What was Jesus teaching in Matthew 12 v 43-45? What was Jesus teaching in Matthew 17 v 15-21?

Maybe you shd post the scriptures and explain them within context.

OkCornel:
After pasting the various screenshots of people's testimonies on that thread, you are repeating this question again? REALLY?

No one got born again and confessed Christ by being told the names of demons and what they do.
I never saw anyone who said they stopped sinning as a result of hearing what satan can do. No drug addict got over his addiction. No prostitute got delivered from the spirit of Perversion. No homosexual got delivered. No liar stopped lying.

Do you know what testimony is? Once I was blind, but niw, I can see. That is a testimony.

OkCornel:
I will refresh your memories with the testimonies again, plus the extra ones that came in the last 3 days.

Okay.

OkCornel:
We can start with the number of testimonies of victory na. Plus the numerous testimonies of victory from Kenneth Hagin and other similar ministers. Countless testimonies you are unwilling to look at.

Lol. Testimonies by EnthronedbyGod here on Nairaland. Don't be coy. Don't play the devil here.

OkCornel:
Jesus spoke about Satan quite well.

Spoke about or taught about satan very well? And in what context did He speak about satan?
Did he tell what satan has been up to since he tricked Adam in Eden? Did the Lord taught about how satan sets traps and brings people down?
How many names of demons did Jesus tell his followers?

OkCornel:
As a matter of fact, Jesus conversed with Satan in His temptation at the wilderness.

As in, he invited satan into a tete ate? Are you serious right now? Is this how you insist on teaching error? U can open facedly lie to teach a lie?

OkCornel:
He also spoke about Satan when the 70 He sent out came back with testimonies of good report. He said He saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven.

What did He say? He told them how strong satan was right. He told where and where satan lives, what he does, and how he does his things abi?

OkCornel:
Also, Satan was the enemy referred to that sowed tares among the wheat while men slept. Satan was the one referred to as the wicked one that snatches the word from the heart of people that never understood it, when He was preaching about the parable of the seed.

OKcornel. This is really lame. I don't expect this from you at all. You mean these are the premise you stand upon to teach spiritism and demonology? SMH.

OkCornel:
Jesus also made to clear to Peter that He interceded on his behalf so Satan will not destroy him.

So this Jesus teaching demonology?

OkCornel:
Again, I ask you...what was Jesus teaching in Matthew 12 v 43-45 and Matthew 17 v 15-21? Jesus must have been very wrong to also teach Kenneth Hagin extensively on the operations of demons too!

Based on what you have posted so far, it obvious your mind is set to teach spiritism. Jesus never ever taught demonology. He made the people know what rhwybare up against if they didn't cross over to the Kingdom of Light. Anytime he met them, they are the who cried out terrified. He cast them out without much ado. It's Blasphemy to say Jesus held a conversation with satan?

OkCornel:
There's no misplaced priority here, rather...you are the one persistently refusing to see the bigger picture at play here.

Your bigger picture is that, you want to teach demonology by all means and are ready to bend scriptures to do so.

OkCornel:
And why did Paul clearly admonish believers not to be ignorant of the wiles of the devil? Hmmm?

What did he say the wiles of the devil are, within the cintext he said it?

OkCornel:
Victory over oppression, and yes ... victory over sinful habits. Wait till I bring more testimonies of victories here

Okay, I'm waiting.

OkCornel:
Yes it has! The numerous testimonies of victories and triumph proves that!

Lol. Where are the Testimonies?

How many of them repented from their sins by what you and yours do here?

OkCornel:
Anas09, Stop twisting the words of Paul. Paul clearly stated DEVICES (Plural) of Satan. Not device (singular) as you are painting it to be. How can unforgiveness (one of the numerous tricks of the enemy) suffice for DEVICES (more than one trick)?

Can you pls explain within contexts what occasioned Paul to say "We are not ignorant of the devices of the enemy. And If I remember correctly, I mentioned malice, unforgiveness, anger, pride etc. Or you didn't see them?

OkCornel:
Ephesians 2 v 2-3; Ephesians 6 v 11-12; 2 Corinthians 2 v 10-12

What do these scriptures say? I can't remember just posting chapters and verses to you. Post and explain them.

OkCornel:
It is because you have chosen a parochial view to interpreting the scriptures, that was why I put 2 Corinthians 2 v 10-12 and Colossians 2 v 8.

One has no bearing with the op at all, anf the other one testifies against you.

OkCornel:
Satan's work must be exposed to the light, so no man will have any excuse of ignorance. And as the exposure goes on, weak and distracted believers ought not to focus on (be taken captive) of what the kingdom of darkness is capable of, but rather testimonies of triumph over them. Put those two scriptures side by side, and that is the interpretation. Rather than having a narrow tunnel view interpreting them in isolation of each other.

Those scriptures are not even related so how can they be talking about exposing satan?
One says to forgive so that satan will not take advantage of the believers, the other warns believers to stay away from philosophies that talks about demons.

How you dey interprete scriptures o.

OkCornel:
Read 2 Corinthians 2 v 8-10 and tell us how Paul was conscious of the DEVICES of the devil in the first place.
Paul just like everyone who believes the Bible knows what satan is up to and how he traps people in. That is not the same as dwelling on the activities of satan.

[quote author=OkCornel post=81927015]Stop quoting Paul out of context! He said DEVICES (Plural) and not device (singular)

Can you tell me what these devises are and how they mean exposing satan?

OkCornel:
Nonsense, and the evil spirits Jesus was giving His apostles a lecture on how to deal with them are what? Powers of planet Mars?

Where did Jesus give a lecture about evil spirits?
Lol. So, This cannot go out except by fasting and prayer, is giving a lecture about a demon?
Okay, what name did Jesus call the demon? Which hierarchy did He say the demon operated? And, how did Jesus say the demon manifests?
Answers this pls.

OkCornel:
EnthronedbyGod exposed the works of the devil to liberate those suffering needlessly from their ignorance of such. He wasn't teaching people with the intention to go and worship those powers. That is the clear difference here.

Who is his predecessor who did it for him to follow? Isaiah, Jeremiah, David, Daniel, Jesus, Paul, Peter? Who?
No matter how noble you try to paint this, it won't pass. The commission is, 'Go into the world and preach the Good News'. That is what liberates and sets free, not knowledge of satan and hiw he works.

OkCornel:
In summary, the mistakes of the Church of Pergamos was tolerating their age old beliefs in paganism (eating food offered to idols) and fornication alongside the teachings of Jesus. Please, how does exposing the works of Satan and testimonies of victory over them automatically translate into idolatry and fornication?

Who called you into the ministry of exposing satan? And which victories do you keep talking about?

There's no victory except against the victory over Sin and death, and that only comes by hearing the Word of God, not the Word of demons that you and yours preach.

OkaiCorne:
Look at the patterns in the Scriptures;

1) God saved the Israelites from their Egyptian oppressors and called them out of that land to the land He promised them. On mount Sinai, He gave Moses the terms and conditions of the covenant which they were to abide to inclusive of which is "You shall have no other gods before me", "You shall not commit adultery".

Unnecessary. This says nothing relating to the Op.

OkaiCorne:
As time went on, these 10 laws further evolved into 613 instructions which formed the Mosaic Law as we know it. The Israelites broke the terms of the covenant on multiple occasions in the desert, from worshiping the golden calf, to falling to the wiles of the seductresses of Moab as incited by Balaam to commit fornication and idolatry, thus grieving God and meting out instantaneous punishment on the trespassers.[/b]
The bolded are the doctrines of Balaam. And I said this happened as a result of wrong company. Listening to wrong things, seeing wrong things, saying wrong things which eventually led to wrong actions. And all these happened in the camp of satan, not God. And I said, in the Camp of God, we talk God. So why was EnthronedbyGod not talking God but satan? You justify that by saying he was focusing on the victories. Which victories?

Haven't you seen from the scriptures you pulled up that dwelling on the things of satan does not push people away from satan, but pulls them in?

Which victories did the Islraelites record by listening to the wrong things of Moab?

[quote author=OkaiCorne post=81814680]2) God saved the believers in Pergamos and called them to live a holy lives in accordance with His will. The expectation was to live spirit-led lives with repentance from their past sinful lives.

Yes, but they had people like EnthronedbyGod in their midst who kept telling them about things they didn't need to hear, which led to them falling into doing them.

What you listen to, you become.

OkaiCorne:
Unfortunately, they began to make excuses and tolerate sinful lifestyle of sexual immorality and idolatry (eating food offered to idols) within their midst. Jesus warned them sternly about this in Revelation 2. God's standard cannot be compromised to accommodate a willful sinful lifestyle.

Yes, but eating food sacrificed to idols today may no necessarily be literal Eba and soup. We are told to eat the Word of God, what that means is that, reading or listening to the Word of God can be termed eating it.
If we are fed with wrong teachings, we are being fed with food sacrificed to idols because those teachings will pollute us.

Secondly. Committing fornication doesn't only mean having sex outside marriage. It means embracing other ideologies outside of Christ's.

So, if teach the people teaching which will make people have other ideologies different from the teachings of Christ, you are leading people to commit fornication. Read the book of Isaiah and Jeremiah and see how God kept saying the Israelites were committing fornication and Adultery because they embraced other gods.

OkaiCorne:
Look at what is happening in the Church today;
Today, the church is rife with lopsided messages of salvation more often without repentance. All sorts of doctrines are coming up to justify and tolerate sinful lifestyle (a lifestyle where people derive pleasure from sin and actively seek the thrill for it) under the guise that "we are saved".

You may be mistaking denominations to mean 'The Church'. Sir. The Church of Jesus is good. No one can corrupt the bride of Christ. No one pollute the wife of the Master.

The Lord and Apst Paul warned that we wld see what is happening today in the world, and it is happening. People arw repenting genuinely everyday. People serving God genuinely. You are not seeing because your mind is seeing what you want it to see. And, it's not even for you to see. Mind your bizness. You are not the Husband of the Church. So, run your race.

OkaiCorne:
Jude saw this coming, little wonder he wrote of this in Jude 1 v 4;
For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Why then are you surprised that prophecies are being fulfilled?

OkaiCorne:
Now we see doctrines of fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, and distorted teachings on Grace prevalent in the church today.

Are these the mistakes of the Church Pergamos which you said they committed?

You made it seem like they made mistakes of not knowing more about the dev hence they fell into sin. That's why I opened this thread.

How did their mistakes connect with what EnthronedbyGod was doing in his thread?

OkaiCorne:
Any message of salvation without repentance is a perversion of the truth that would lead many to deceit and destruction.

This is not the Op. Pls focus on the Op.

This is a long post, so, I'd shorten it.

OkCornel:
DOCTRINE OF BALAAM CONT'D - HOW THIS A STUMBLING TODAY ON CHRISTIANS, LIKE THE PERGAMOS CHURCH AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.

Focus on the mistakes as you said.

OkCornel:
Anas09, recall the economic, socio-cultural and paganistic setting of the city of Pergamos prior to when the gospel of salvation and the kingdom of God got there and the church was established.

This is irrelevant as you had already stated this.

OkCornel:
The church (i.e. ekklessia or called out ones or believers) in Pergamos prior to being saved, would have lived their lives seeing idolatry and sexual immorality as the norm and way of life, as though there's nothing absolutely wrong with it. But unfortunately, the traditions of men cannot be substituted for the standards of God.

What has this to do with the errors of the pergamum believers?

OkCornel:
Having heard the gospel, and taken their decision to follow Christ and living spirit-led holy lives bearing fruits of repentance...unfortunately, the corrupters of truth among them, those who mix traditions of men with the truth out of ignorance or for ulterior motives began to sow seeds of tolerance for age-old Pergamos culture and beliefs within the church. That explains why they had a mixed report card from Jesus in the book of revelation, as believers were partly following the truth of Christ teachings on one hand thus leading to the good works they were commended for, and partly following the Pergamos culture of sexual immorality and feasting on foods offered to idols.

I believe I listed out the things the Lord called them out for. I was expecting you'd dwell on them, but you are not. Why?

OkCornel:
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if there were believers in Pergamos who wrongly interpreted Paul's teachings on food offered to idols in 1 Corinthians 8 v 1-7 to justify their actions, despite Paul's warning in verse 9 to 13

Are they different kinds of food sacrificed to idols? The same thing Paul warned against, the Master frowns at, because Paul was declaring the mind of the Master. How can that be misinterpreted?

OkCornel:
WHAT IS GOD'S REQUIREMENT OF BELIEVER'S TODAY?
God requires those who believes in Him and worships Him in Spirit and Truth to look up to Him for salvation, repent from our past, sinful lifestyles, and keep on this with this life of repentance.

How is this relevant to the Op?

OkCornel:
I will address this with two scriptures;

2 Corinthians 2 v 10-12;
10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
12 Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ's gospel, and a door was opened unto me of the Lord.

I talked about Association Whether good or bad, which made the Children of God commit sin against their God, but instead of you to follow in that line, you went off completely to bring in 2Cor 2: 10-12, which as no bearing at all as far as this conversation is concerned.

Now let me tell you within context what Apostle meant to warn believers against and what he meant by The devices of the ebemy.
Read from Verse 1 of 2Cor 2, when you get to verse 7 this is what it says 7When people sin, you should forgive and comfort them, so they won't give up in despair. 8You should make them sure of your love for them.

I will forgive anyone you forgive. Yes, for your sake and with Christ as my witness, I have forgiven whatever needed to be forgiven.

I have done this to keep Satan from getting the better of us. We all know what goes on in his mind.
OKcornel. What is Apst Paul is warning Christians against here is holding grudges and malice which leads to Unforgiveness which can give satan room to hinder believers. Jesus says if you forgive not others, your heavenly father will not forgive you.

'The device of the enemy' Paul meant here is 'Unforgiveness', not exposing satan, whatever that means.

The question you shd answer is, how many devises of saran did Apst Paul expose and shame? Show me with scriptures pls.

OkCornel:
Colossians 2 v 8-10;
8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and [b]the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.[/b]
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

OKcornel. Can't you see that the bolded testify against you?
What are The Elemental Spiritual forces of this world?
Have you seen that Apstle Paul in so clear terms warns that we steer clear from elemental spiritual forces which are demons and focus on Christ?
Have you seen that that scripture supports my point from the beginning?

OkCornel:
You can see Paul clearly stating in the scriptures that believers are not ignorant of the devices of the devil. Bring out the works of the kingdom of darkness, expose it to the light and shame them with testimonies of triumph in Christ over them.

If that is what you want that scripture to mean, it will mean that to you, but within context, that is not what it says. Apostle Paul didn't say you shd bring the works of satan to light and expose them. He says stay away from people who wld want to deceive and crowd you with these philosophies. People who wld want to make you focus of the demons instead of the on Christ
That is what that scripture says.

OkCornel:
No one would have that excuse of ignorance of the devices of the devil all in the name of focusing on pleasing God. These are warnings.

You wld be walking on your own as Christ never called you into that ministry.
Again. The device of the enemy within context is Malice and unforgiveness. Pls stop talking scriptures out of context.

OkCornel:
On the other hand, Paul also admonished in Colossians 2 v 8, no one should be distracted by matters as these (i.e. works of the kingdom of darkness) and make a philosophy out of them. The distracted ones, and the ones pre-disposed to fear would have the tendencies of falling into the error of focusing on what the kingdom of darkness can do, rather than the testimonies of victory over them.

This is completely wrong sir. Apst Paul says, Don't let anyone fool you by using senseless arguments. These arguments may sound wise, but they are only human teachings. They come from the powers of this world and not from Christ.
Read carefully. He didn't say 'No one shd be distracted. He says ('Dont, let anyone fool you'), in other words, do not allow anyone deceive you into human teachings about the powers of this world.
What are the powers of this world? Exactly what EnthronedbyGod was doing is what that scripture warns against.

OkCornel:
That is why I have been shouting myself hoarse many times on that thread, the focus should be on the testimonies of victory...and not just the works of wickedness in the kingdom of darkness.

No one send you that work in the first place, so no matter how noble you seem, it still falls flat and ungodly.

OkCornel:
Exposing the works of darkness to the light, and sharing testimonies of triumph over these is not the same thing as eating food offered to idols and fornication the Pergamos church was guilty of.

For crying out loud. You came up with the mistakes of the Church of Pergamum and according to what its written there, these were the things the Lord holds against them.

So far, your arguments hasn't shown the mistakes of these Churches.

And ,I'm here for you to show me their mistakes. But, if critically observed, what you call their mistakes are the same mistakes EnthronedbyGod has been making which we have been screaming against.

You are yet to react to my posts.

OkCornel:
Hi Anas09, No believer would talk about Satan in the context of glorifying his works. The focus ought to be on exposing the works of darkness and shaming them with testimonies of triumph.

The questionnis, where are these Christians taking precedence from?

The One who called them told them to talk about the Kingdom of God, so where did they see exposing and shaming the kingdom of satan from?
Is there any Christian who knows the kingdom of satan like the Lord Jesus? Why didn't He expose and shame it?
Where are the Testimonies of triumph you keep talking about?

How many people knew so.much about satan and that knowledge led to their conversion to Christ?
How many turned away from sin as a result of knowing so much about satan?

How many receive power over fear of the devil knowing the ways of satan?

Pls I need you to answer these before you go further

OkCornel:
That is where the focus lies. But like I've said over and over again, people will fall for the error of seeing one part of the story and closing their eyes to the testimonies of victory.

You keep talking about the Testimonies of Victory as if that justifies it.

Why didn't Jesus do this? Didn't He know the Testimonies involved? Were you commanded to do this?
Can you see that Jesus knew that these wld cast fear into people's minds, hence he refused to talk about satan?
Who are you following because it's not Jesus.

OkCornel:
The question is, what is the motive? - Obviously, it is not to worship the works of darkness, but to expose and shame them.

Hmmm. To an unsuspecting eye, that seems genuine and good intended, but to a sensitive mind, that's a lie.
I asked you and you are yet to answer. Why didn't Jesus do this?
Jesus says as my father has sent me, so send I you.
What did his father sent him to do, preach the Kingdom of God. If He is sending you to do what he did, is exposing and shaming satan what he sent you to do?

Can't you see that you have misplaced priorities yet by all means are trying to justify your error?

In the Temple of God we talk God, why are you talking satan in the Temple of God?

OkCornel:
And where is the focus on? - The focus ought to be on the testimonies of victories and triumph over the works of wickedness and darkness.

Who sent you this message is the question youbhave not answered. And I asked again, victory over what? Sin?

Has knowing satan stopped people from lying, stealing, cheating Lesbianism or Homosexuality?has it stopped people from pride and malice, anger, unforgiveness and murder? Has it delivered people from sex demons? Or hard drugs addictions?

What victory are you even on about?

From now let's use the Word of God when making our points, I'm not here to speak my mind. It has to be the Word of God.

OkCornel:
I'm not listing out anything. Let's stick to the tithing revelation he got on Job. What's your take on that?

I recall it was God who removed His protection from Job before Satan could strike.

1. Was God's protection dependent on whether Job tithed or not?

2. Did Job eventually tithe his way back to restoration?

You wld follow this based on the premise of his message or I will not attend to you.

OkCornel:
Hi Anas09, made some updates on the Thyatira and Pergamos thread early this morning. I'm through with the Pergamos church...lemme have your thoughts before I proceed further.

Thanks.

You shd ve dropped this in the thread insteD of here. Anyways. I will check it out.

OkCornel:
Please set the ball rolling with scriptural evidences on the case study of Job.

I recall it was God who removed His protection from Job before Satan could strike. Was God's protection dependent on whether Job tithed or not?

Did Job eventually tithe his way back to restoration?

You are the one making a case against Bishop not me, so don't ask me to do anything.

Go ahead and list Bishop Oyedepo's errors Scripturally. Let's go.

Kenneth4u205:
Following your write up .it align with the word of God .I'm a deliverance minister .Will like to correct a minor mistake you made .You said that christian can not be possessed by demons .That's wrong .Demons doesn't waste their time possessing sinners because the don't need demons to continue spinning .Demons are more interested bin possessing Christians today .since no man is perfect .Christians fall into sin that gives this demons the legal right to come in and posses.That's why it's God to repent immediately each time we fall into sin

You saying a demon can possess a Christian is like saying satan and Jesus can live comfortably inside the same house.

This so called deliverance ministries with their false teachings.

jesusjnr:
Be patient, because unless you're ready confess your lies and ulterior motive yourself, you're going to have to wait until I am ready to.

As you can see, I have already started to expose you and do it in on my own terms and time.

So shhhh anas09 no noise, and don't be in too much of a hurry for your sins shall soon find you out, that's if you don't repent beforehand.

You can keep lying as characteristic meanwhile.

Fin. I'm waiting for you. But don't forget yours will be exposed too.

Jesusjnr, I'm here. Come on over.
And, answer all of these questions while you are at it.

Is Jehovah against is Children prospering materially?

Did he create Gold and Silver?

Why did he create them?

Who did He create them for?

For his 'enemy', satan and his followers?

If Abraham were to be alive today, wld Oyedepo's wealth be equated to his?

If Isaac who was richer than a whole nation of Philistine were to be alive today, wld Adeboye's wealth be compared to his?

If Job were to be alive today, wld Kenneth Copeland's wealth be compared to his?

If David was alive today, wld Benny Hinn's wealth be compared to his?

If Solomon were alive today, wld all the wealth of all these men you mentioned put together be compared to?


What did Jehovah say He'd reward those who diligently seek him with?
Don't come here and be shouting Oyedepo without scriptures. Answer these questions then we 'd know if Oyedepo is wrong.

CodeTemplar:
Scriptural backups please.
We don't need kingdom democracy. . . lol

Does he have scriptures?

CaveAdullam:
It is a very good thing we pattern our lives and well-being according to the Lord Jesus Christ, He had all His needs/wants supplied at the right time and was lacking in nothing when He was on earth. He also had a treasurer(Judas Iscariot) and women supporters like Joanna, Mary Magdalene, Susana and a host of others who ministered to and provided for Him and them (the disciples) out of their property and personal belongings.



In the teaching of prosperity most people are on the extremes;



1.Many don't have their wants supplied according to God's riches in heaven because they think they ought to have nothing in order not to veer from the way of salvation thereby thinking it is God's will for them and other Christians to remain poor(materially). Even the spiritual life of most people in this category is not robust enough based on my own opinion.



2. Many have accumulated all things for themselves, then, have a developed mindset that they are in line with God not knowing they are on the way that seemeth right but leads to destruction. These set of people judge their spiritual growth by their material gains. What a pity!

Prosperity is all way round and most especially in Spirit, Soul and Body.



In all, we should try and know God's plan concerning our lives in regards to the mission He has assigned for us here on earth and ask Him to supply all that we need to accomplish it both Spiritually and Materially.



Thanks.



God bless.

Tell them. Prosperity is not Naira and Dollars. It's bigger than that.

OkCornel:
Children of God, is this the truth?

Let's go through scriptures as you list out his errors.

It's not enough to ask a wholistic question like, is it true?

Why do you disagree? With scriptures.

jesusjnr:
Divert to Oyedepo who's the main basis of your grouse with me?

This is what I have been saying since I discovered you in Nairaland. I am pointing to Jesus, the author and finisher of our Faiths. The only One who gave His life as a Ransome for man. Yet you point to a man like you.

When the Lord said 'Come unto me all ye..., how did you hear it? Did you hear 'Go unto Oyedepo all ye...?

Why will my grouse with you be about Oyedepo? Did he die for me? He will stand Judgement, just like me.

Besides, I opened a thread for you to settle your grouse about with him picking scripture by Scripture showing where is he wrong. You ran away screaming 'Mammon, Mammon'.
Stupid.

jesusjnr:
Please find another excuse to hold on to for that has been thrashed.

Where did you trash it? Go there and mention me.
Stupid.

jesusjnr:
Oyedepo is spiritually bankrupt, and it's so glaring that if you can't see it then you're spiritually blind.

So says a man who says Apostle is fake. Oyedepo is Spiritually bankrupt but you are vibrant abi? You can't even tell the difference between the Bible and the Word of God.
May your demon slap your face.

jesusjnr:
That's where you got your spirit of mammon from so why should I expected anything different from you but even worse?

You should repent while you still have time.

Idietic, lying, demon possessed Nicolai.

Mention my lies. That's what I want to see.

jesusjnr:
Liar!

He is your mentor and you both have the spirit of mammon in common!

Now look carefully at this picture and tell me what you think.

Nicolai the Liar. I know you read everything I post on Nairaland, now post my lies or be ashamed.

because you have nothing to hold, you want to divert to Bishop Oyedepo.

I opened a thread for you to point out of the scriptures how Bishop Oyedepo is wrong, but you won't come over there.

The lying Nicolai, where are my lies?

jesusjnr:
Lol!

Look at the quote of the person whose example you follow very carefully and tell what you see?

A false prophet or true prophet?

Speaking of being heretic and preaching the gospel of the Pharisees and mammon, but of course you that claim to be fighting for Christ, would not see it.

Face your prophet of mammon and mammon worshipping!

If you had the spirit of God in you, you wld have seen that I don't preach Bishop Oyedepo. I am not his servant. We both have the same master, His name is Jesus.

I preach the Word of God, because that is what servants of God shd do. But, If I have ever quoted Bishop Oyedepo here, or insisted that others shd do the same instead of the Bible, then point it to me.

Face me, Nicolai, the liar, and stop grabbing on straws. Post my lies and my false teachings here.

jesusjnr:
Now while I was away from this thread for about a day it seemed that there was rejoicing not only amongst those my attackers(anas09 and co) but also in hell, as shortly afterwards while I glanced at the religious section page, what I saw reminded me of what it used to be like before EnthronedbyGod opened this thread. And I took a screen shot of the view which is provided below.

And that used to be what the religion section page used to look like before EnthronedbyGod opened this thread, but that was the first time in about a month that such a view ever resurfaced.

And the reason I was able to tell the difference was because when I first came to Nairaland, that was the norm of the Nairaland religious section page, as it was often bombarded with blasphemous threads.

And I was not comfortable with that at all, knowing immediately that those behind it were satanists, and it was intended to deceive men and also to distract people from hearing the Word of God so that they would not believe.

And this was Jesus actually meant when he said immediately the Word is sown, Satan comes immediately and takes the Word of God that was sown in man's heart{Mark 4:15}. That's how Satan does it, by planting other ideas in the heart of men after they've heard the Word to make them doubt it, so that they would not keep it just as he did to man in the beginning{Gen 2:16-17}.

And this was what compelled me to open a thread to expose those behind such blasphemous threads and their satanic agenda, knowing fully well the extent to which Satan hated for him and his devices to be exposed from personal experience, as it made his job of deception to be very difficult.

That's why Satan loves to hide, and come to man in a disguise like he did in the beginning with the serpent instead of his real form.

And here is the link to the thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/4799803/beware-some-satanic-agents-only

To be continued.

Wow. Here you are playing good cop against your fellow Satanists on the same assignment.

So EnthronedbyGod by God changed things Nairaland by doing what exactly? preaching the kingdom of satan.

Gerrrarahia mehn

jesusjnr:
Look at the picture below to see why the church is dead, when you have such prophets of mammon now leading the church instead of the true prophets as Peter and John.

For the good seed that Jesus sowed has been replaced by such tares Satan sowed into the church while men slept.

You should please tell the whole world what you think of this saying of the prophet of mammon who you adore, if it be of God or of the devil.

#heresy
#doctrineofthepharisees

What has this to do with your AntiChrist declaration against the Church of Jesus Christ? Or did you believe that a single denomination is the entire of body of Christ?

Leave Bishop Oyedepo out of this, let's face you.

AntiChrist Nicolai. Which Jesus did you see?

OKcornel. I'm still waiting