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FOLYKAZE:
Where I take insult your father? You no sabi your father again?

God is my Father.

OkCornel:
No matter what you say, alBHAGDADI is still convinced that believers in Christ should be full of hatred for a certain group of people.

He believes sinners and evil doers should be hated... rather than their actions/deeds only...

And if Jesus were to go by that, no one on earth shall survive, for Adam and Eve wld ve died in Eden.

alBHAGDADI is a murderer in his mind. he kills people in his mind. Maybe he doesn't know that that is as good as putting a gun to people's heads and pulling the trigger. The Lord says 'If you think it, you have done it.

budaatum:
So says the examiner who knows better.

The scriptures is the examiner. So, examine yourself by yourself and see if you are in the Lord?

Wait, you don't believe in the Word of God.

alBHAGDADI:
Your reply shows you've accepted defeat.

Defeat? This is what you are here for? To win? Oh wow. No wonder you attack people with so much venom.

alBHAGDADI, I really pray your Pride won't drive you to the flames. But, with how you're going, I doubt if you'd ever see your errors and repent.

May Jesus save you from your sins of murder.

FOLYKAZE:
Aitete m'ole

You are the one that is been aggressive and bitter on this thread.

Like I said before, if you are representation of what Christianity is, no one will be a christian. Tunwa e she

I didn't refer to you here. I may be missed quoted you. I meant it for alBHAGDADI, not you.

FOLYKAZE:
Apologies @Anas09 for using foul words against you. Never knew you were a lady. My bad for engaging you in such manner.

Can we start proper discussion? I am open if you want to. what scripture references do you want me to present?

Don't bother KAZE, This arguements won't lead us anywhere. Let's just leave it and wait to die and see.
Apst Paul says; Now all we can see of God is like a cloudy picture in a mirror. Later we will see him face to face. We don't know everything, but then we will, just as God completely understands us.
1 Corinthians 13:12
Give or take, 50 yrs from today most of us here wld be dead, and all will be open in yonder lands. If Jesus is wrong abt everything, then whatever will become of Him shall be the lot of us who hold unto Him tenaciously. I won't regret being wherever He will be.

OLAADEGBU:
He is one Muslim Antichrist pretending to be the Messiah. See the thread for more facts on him --> https://www.nairaland.com/5299280/evidence-culture-sexual-abuse-tb

Oh, thanks

But, the thread is about TB Joshua and doesn't even say much. Is Fatai Balogun the same as TBJoshua?

jesusjnr:
See let me tell you something that you may not understand.

There are certain things that you cannot get except it is given to you from God, so i can't continue to argue with you on this matter, for unless you yield yourself to God to a certain extent, you can keep breaking down the scriptures however you like from now til next century, but you'd never get the Truth of it, for only God can give you that.

Jesus said love your neighbors as yourself, so that prayer clearly goes contrary to that, but if you can't see that, then what should I do anas09, break your head into two and put it inside?

Pray for God to protect those your neighbors and as you prayed for Him to protect you, if He does or does not, fine.

But in so doing you have obeyed the teachings of Jesus to love your neighbors as yourself, and the blessing that follows keeping this His Word shall follow you.

Wow. Jjnr. The Ps 91 vs 7 you turned upside down has nothing to do with loving or not loving ones neighbor.

You turned it upside down and said, "A thousand shall fall at MY right and ten thousand at MY left", when it fact it says "A thousand shall fall at YOUR right hand side and ten thousand at YOUR left hand side. Someone is making that declaration to another person.

No Christian (as you try to depict) is wishing anyone evil in your Op.

And, if both of us shd take that verse toe to toe rightly dividing that scripture you twist, you'd see how wrong you are. But, I know you'd still hide behind the Holy Ghost.

alBHAGDADI:
When we tell you people to stop using other Bible versions and stick to the King James Version alone, you think we don't know what we are saying. The evrse you quoted from a corrupt Bible version has confised you. Below is what the verse truly is

John 15:12
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Love one another is different from love Everybody. When Jesus said we should love one another, he simply meant Christians should love fellow Christians i.e love yourself as a Christian and another Christian like you. It means love another disciple.

Look at a parallel verse in the same book of John. Notice that Jesus said it is a new commandment. Loving one another is a new commandment, but love is not because it has always been in the old testament.

John 13:34-36 (KJV)
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; [/b]as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 [b]By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Clearly, when Jesus said we should love one another, he's basically saying love fellow Christians. Love one another doesn't mean love a serial rapist. I'm I a serial rapist that I'm to love my fellow serial rapist? No.



Go back to that thread of mine. This time around, read it not like a blind man would. You will see that I already explained the above passage. Or better still, check the first page of the thread, my comment has the explanation.




No, your understanding of the verse doesn't agree with the verse. Nowhere does it speak of someone hating deeds and loving the sinner. Stop infusing words into the Bible. The verse is only teaching us how to love.




Go back to my thread or my comment on the first page of this thread to see who your enemy is. Not everybody is your enemy, and so you are not required to love everybody.



Again, I will advice you to throw away that silly satanic Bible version you are using and stick to the King James Version.

Look at how Satan has corrupted those verses to suit your narative. The verse doesn't say "hate someone". It simply says "hateth his brother". I showed you a Bible verse above which shows that our brother is our fellow Christian. If we hate him, then God's love is not in us. Nowhere does the verse say if we hate a rapist, serial killer, drug dealer etc, then God's love is not in us.

1 John 2:9
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

Look at the second verse you quoted, look at how wrong it has misled you. You better stay away from that Bible translation and stay with the KJV.

1 John 4:8
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

The verse is so saying we should love one another, just as I established above that the one another are fellow Christians. If you have read from verse 7, you would have seen it there. It also says if you don't have such love, then the you do not know God. Isn't this all consistent with what I've been saying since?




Look at the correct rendition below. It's still speaking of love among Christians because the book of Peter was sent as a letter to Christians.

1 Peter 4:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.



Of course there will be conflict as long as I hate evil doers who don't want to repent.


1 Thessalonians 3:12
12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

Notice that it is the Lord that is making you increase in love towards all men. It is not you. When God makes you increase in love towards all men, it means those men have made themselves worthy of his love. The verse never said you should love an unrepentant Shekau. But if he repents, which will be through God's works, then it means your love will now be increased to ards loving him.



I've already explained this Love one another verses as seen above.



Where have I preached revenge or getting even?



Have I not preached love for enemies?

You know? If I had the kind of Spirit which drives you, I'd ve called you a satanist, but, that won't come from me. Let the readers make up their minds as they read us.

Shalom.

FOLYKAZE:
Where did I say Satanism right path? This one done mad o.

You see, beyond Christianity, there are human. I can always talk to my fellow about what they do. That is because I have knowledge about it and found it not wanting.

You are all over displaying your stupidity. If you are an example of Christianity, no one would be a Christian. By their fruit we know them

I'm still waiting for your scriptures.

alBHAGDADI:
Now, I understand where you are coming from

You simply lack the knowledge of the words of God. To you, Solomon was just a man, but you failed to realize he was also a prophet whom God inspired to write two books in the Bible. Those where not his words but the words of God. Remember when you quoted the below verse from the book of Proverbs...

Proverbs 10:12
"Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs."

But when I showed you from the same Book of Proverbs that there's a time to love and a time to hate, all of a sudden the book of Proverbs became a mere man speaking.

Their days are not different from ours. God which was yesterday is the same today and forevermore. He doesn't change. If he condoned it then, it means he still does.



Yes, it was David talking as he was inspired by God. A foolish you will open your mouth to say the prayers in Psalm 23, but when it comes to the other words of David in the same book of Psalm, you reject them. Can you see how foolish and disobedient you are to the word of God?

Yes, it was David talking and what he said is scripture which was an inspiration from God which is how we should live our lives.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Now, to your question. The passage from David is clearly Jehovah telling us to hate those who hate him.



Stop being foolish. What do you think Jesus did with the whip he made? You mean he wasted time making a whip out of ropes and just held it for nothing? Mind you, the people he chased out were the traders, not the Jewish leaders as you are trying to make it seem by quoting verses wrongly. Clearly, the people he engaged in a discussion are not the traders he chased out. Or when did the Jewish leaders start to trade in the temple?




Look below, you will see a Prophet of God speaking. But your stubborn self who doesn't want to obey God has rejected the words he gave through his prophet.

2 Chronicles 19:2
And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.




Which one have you treated?



Was it every time Good opened his mouth to speak in the Bible? Was he not always speaking through his Prophets? I just showed you what he said through his prophet Jehu telling us that we are not to love the ungodly and those who hate God. But your stubborn self won't listen. You want to hear it from God himself. Why not ask him to come down and say it to you.

Now I understand why you are so aggressive and bitter, may it not consume you.

budaatum:
Why do I feel like saying those with Jesus do not "run and hide"? Have they no armour of God to shield you against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms?

Your understanding of Scriptures is still at the natural level Buda. By the way, did you read the whole of my post or this is all you saw?
because, what you're trying to say there is 'abiding in His secret place. The running there is deciding to go by themselves not being forced.

budaatum:
Have they no belt of truth buckled around their waist with the breastplate of righteousness in place so they can stand firm? Are their feet not fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace? Have they no helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God? Can they not extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one with their shield of faith? Are they afraid? Do they fear and "run and hide"?

Everything you mentioned here can only be given to you by the Lord, if you abide under Him.

budaatum:
Kneel and pray if you must "run and hide", for those the Lord shepherds do not "run and hide". They tread on the lion and the cobra, trample the great lion and the serpent and walk fearlessly even in the shadow of the valley of death with their light illuminating the dark for the Glory of God because they know that no harm can befall those whom the Lord God has anointed.

Pls read my post Buda.

jesusjnr:
Wow. All these Anas09 for this simple point.

I'm gonna summarize my response to all your posts, despite not having gone through all, since I have seen the bottom line, in this post.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but I don't need to do any justice to Psalm 91:7 for Jesus has already done justice to all such sayings in the Laws and the Prophets which doesn't match up to the standard of the Kingdom of God by His Word.

For hence such a prayer does not qualify for use in His church, even though it be in the book of Psalms.

And being a part of His true church which keeps His Sayings, it doesn't qualify for me.

But if you choose to keep praying such prayers that go against the teachings of Jesus just because they are in the Bible, your choice, but I can't afford to do that because it would come at a spiritual cost for me.

God bless.

Which prayers are going against the teachings of Jesus?

Lolzz, you didn't read my post. What I did is line by line, precepts by precepts analogy not a blind holistic approach.

You said we ought to make a difference in the midst of the sinners, how do you hope to do that?

Pls, stop picking scriptures out of context, it attempt to.fracture truth. it's
bad.

What you did, is trying to make it seem like some believers pray for some people to fall while they stand and I went on to let you know that those people cbose to fall, but you didn't read.

And, about expatiating on a small point, yes, that is breaking open the Word of God.

@ alBHAGDADI pls line by line explain these within Contexts.
The Lord whom you claim hates people says ;

John 15:12
"My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you."

Matthew 5:43-48 You have heard people say, “Love your neighbors and hate your enemies.”
alBHAGDADI, here is the Lord quoting the men you said hates people, Jesus is telling you in the following verse that, that wasn't him talking in them.


But I tell you to love your enemies and pray for anyone who mistreats you.

Then you will be acting like your Father in heaven.

He makes the sun rise on both good and bad people. And he sends rain for the ones who do right and for the ones who do wrong.

If you love only those people who love you, will God reward you for this? Even tax collectors love their friends.

If you greet only your friends, what's so great about this? Don't even unbelievers do that? But you must always act like your Father in heaven.


This is the character or reaction of someone who shd hate as a result of the actions of others but because he has love, read what he does.

1 Corinthians 13:4-5
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs."

Proverbs 25:21 If your enemies are hungry, give them something to eat. And if they are thirsty, give them something to drink.

1 John 2:9 If we claim to be in the light and hate someone, we are still in the dark.

1 John 4:8 God is love, and anyone who doesn't love others has never known him.

1 Peter 4:8
"Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins."

Proverbs 10:12
"Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs."

1 Thessalonians 3:12
"May the Lord make your love increase and overflow for each other ~~~and for everyone else~~~, just as ours does for you."

1 John 4:7
"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God."

1 John 4:9-11
"This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another."

alBHAGDADI I conclude with this, but they are still.many more;

Romans 12:19-21 Dear friends, don't try to get even.
Let God take revenge.

In the Scriptures the Lord says, “I am the one to take revenge and pay them back.”

The Scriptures also say, “If your enemies are hungry, give them something to eat.

And if they are thirsty, give them something to drink.

This will be the same as piling burning coals on their heads.”

Don't let evil defeat you, but defeat evil with good.

I will patiently wait for you to explain what we as Christians are to do with these scriptures.

alBHAGDADI:
There's a time for every purpose on Earth.
Ecclesiastes 3:8 (KJV)
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

I hope you realise that what you just quoted was the thoughts of a man (Solomon) not the mind of God?
And their days and covenant was different from the ones you claim to be part of today?

alBHAGDADI:
You say hate is Satan's tool in someone's life? I guess David whom Jesus descended from is Satan's tool for making the below statement.
Psalm 139:21-22 (KJV)
21 Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

This was a man not God talking alBHAGDADI. If you ascribe everything men did or said in the Bible as coming from God, then you'd even attribute their sins to Him too.

Pls post whete YHWH says to hate people.

alBHAGDADI:
Yet you think the Son of David is different and we his disciples should be different. Below is Jesus expressing his hate for not only the act/deed of trading at the temple of God but also the traders by flogging them.

John 2:15-16
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

Pls where does it say he expressed HIS HATE for the people. Reading you associate Hate with Christ alone makes me shudder.

John 2:15-16 So he took some rope and made a whip. ~~Then he chased everyone out of the temple~~, together with their sheep and cattle. He turned over the tables of the moneychangers and scattered their coins. Jesus said to the people who had been selling doves, “Get those doves out of here! Don't make my Father's house a marketplace.”
alBHAGDADI, these people you claimed Jesus hatefully flogged out if the Temple were the same people who engaged Him in a discussion?

John 2:18 The Jewish leaders asked Jesus, “What miracle will you work to show us why you have done this?”

Are you for real alBHAGDADI? Will you lie with the Word of God? Jesus drove the people out if the Temples, yes, but it never said, he layed hands on anybody in that Temple, pls desist from lying against the Master.

alBHAGDADI:
You better open your heart to the words of God and stop being led by your own emotions. Not hating the ungodly will make God's wrath fall upon you like Jehoshaphat.

2 Chronicles 19:2
And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

I am waiting to see where you see YHWh commanding people to hate each other. All you post here are Humans expressing their thought.

You posting these scriptures and I'm treating them, if I post mine, make sure to treat them, for they shall be the Lord's words directly.

alBHAGDADI:
I've showed countless verses that shows God's people are to hate ungodly and evil people. You have not shown me any verse otherwise, yet you say I'm not Christian?

I thought you were going to say 'I have shown you countless verses where YHWH says we shd hate people alas, you said 'People'.

Now, it's time for me to.post mine be sure to answer.

@Jesusjnr You said;

jesusjnr:
"At least our presence there should make a difference in their lives as that of Jesus would is my point.

Yes, our presence indeed makes a difference. Without our intercession here, trust me, this world wld be caught in flames. With all our prayers see what satan is doing what if we weren't here to pray?

jesusjnr:
For you could see the extent to which Jesus presence prevented IT from destroying the lives of thousands or even more who were at His side.

Yes, Jesus died for us to have that secret place to hide under but, how many do you see running to hide under him? Speak truly.

jesusjnr:
So that ought to be the example we follow, at least if we desire to be entrusted with as much power as Jesus was, for the power is meant to save human lives not to destroy them or be idle.

Like I said, you can't do more than to evangelize, pray and intercede for them. The choice to run and hide under Jesus's secret place is entirely theirs. Finish

jesusjnr:
So if we are meant to rep Jesus who came to save human lives, why instead of just taking solace in the idea that IT which would cause thousands of humans to fall at our side shall not come near our dwelling, why not stand in the gap and use the power at our disposal to prevent IT from destroying the thousands and ten thousands at our side?

And we do intercede for sinners that is why we evangelize, that is why we persuade them even when we are abused, bullied and persecuted. The Muslims kill us for that, but do we stop? No.

The way things are going, the atheists may also begin to kills us, but do we stop? No.

Now, Jesusjnr, let me explain something to you here. In the Divine design which is the Algorithm upon which the earth was layed on. (Like a website), there's a law called the law of reciprocity, this is other wise called 'The Law of Partnership'. How does it work? Let me explain.
We are God's creatures and He calls us His vessels. But vessels are to receive and carry stuff right? Right.

But what do we receive from the Lord who created us vessels?
1. Life.
2. Love
3. Wisdom.
4. Free Will
5. Volition
6. Discernment.
These things flows into us from the Lord and enables us to be in charge of ourselves and to enter or not to enter into a relationship or Partnership with the Lord or with anybody for that matter Volitionally without being forced.

You see, The Lord wants a reciprocal Union with us, You'd ve to choose or reject him Volitionally, be free to stay or go. For there to be a relationship between you and a loved one, there must be acceptance, a bond that unites you both and both of you do this in freedom and also be rational abt things.

In the Spirit realm, the earth is in middle between Heaven and Hell. It keeps the equilibrium, a balance. We are placed in this equilibrium with the chance or Will Power to either look up to God and accept Him and enter a reciprocal Partnership with Him or look down to Hell and accept satan Willingly, what you choose, you live with. No one can change your change your mind for you and God does not accept manipulations or manipulators, so if one is manipulated into the kingdom, God shall expose that one.

Lucifer who rebelled and caused Adam to follow suit rejected to be in that partnership with God by claiming he could sustain himself without the help of God, hence, was cast out of Heaven and everyone who refuses to hide 'Under the secret place of the Almighty', has also, like Lucifer choosen to say to the Lord, I don't need your secret place or shadow, I can take care of myself. So, when the destroyer comes, Jnr, you can't help them just like Noah could not help his neighbors.

jesusjnr:
I'm not saying the 'IT' are the humans but that IT is definitely destructive, whosoever IT is.

If you understand who or what IT is, then you'd decipher what this is all about.

jesusjnr:
For it is the same IT that we pray should not come near our dwelling that would cause the thousands and ten thousands to fall, which actually means death in the context, so the tens and thousands in that context actually represent humans as us and not demons as you claim for demons don't die, and Satan don't fight himself.

Okay JJnr. If you insist that the thousands are humanans, let us under that supposition look at the scriptures again maybe we can truly are who are the thousands fallen ones and why thy fall or shd fall.

Let's look at it again, but this time let's go a lil further. Let's start from Verse 1.

Psalms 91:1-3 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
The Secret place is a hiding place. But a hiding place form what or who?

And, those in that hiding place, makes a choice to abide there. They are not taken there by anyone, they resort and abide there on their own.

I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Who is talking?
~~ Those taking refuge under the secret place.

Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
Jesusjnr, what is the snare of the Fowler kr the noisome pestilence? Great general destruction which threatens the whole world and makes people run but cannot hide from it.

This is why those other ones are hiding in the secret place called the Shadow of the Almighty.


As we go on, let us identify who man is and who our enemy is. Man is never created an enemy to his fellow man. The Fall opened up a door into the soul of a man for satan to sit and rule him as king and drive him to bring his agenda on earth to bear.

Psalms 91:5-8 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Who shoots the arrows? Man or satan? Satan.

Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
These are Satan's activities not man's. When these pestilences come, (Plagues like Ebola, Bubonic plague and hay and lasa fever which kills people indiscriminately), no man is spared.

NO HUMAN HAS POWER TO CUASE PLAGUE OR TO STOP them.

A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

JJnr, Who are the thousands fallen ones here?

There are the ones who wld not run to the secret place called the Shadow of the Almighty for security.

See, in the days of Noah, the Ark was the Secret place of the Almighty. When he was building the Ark, because the men of his days won't take him seriously, they didn't help him. He built the Ark for 100yrs all alone. When the rain started, they felt 'Well, Na rain na, it's normal, it'll stop. Noah must have called out to them, come into the Ark friends there shall be a flood, but they laughed him to scorn as we are being laughed at today as we preach that salvation is only in Jesus.

The Atheist mock us, they call us Sheeples. We keep telling them, a great plague is coming and it's only those who have Christ that can be saved, but they call us fools.

THEY, ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE THOUSANDS FALLEN ONES.
When the noisome pestilence comes, when the arrows begins to fly, when famine begins to ravish the lands, then many shall understand but then it shall be too late.

Jesusjnr, you can't save them, much as NOAH could not save the men in his time. It's a personal decision. They took the decision to remain outside, no one wished them.to fall, they made the choice.

so, your Op didn't do Justice to PS 91:7 at all.

Makschinchin:
Thank you for pointing that out sir. There's so much heresy today.. But thank God for His Spirit who helps us discern from wrong and right.. Albaghdadi keep bringing Psalm 15 as his case study.. And just a word from Jesus here is clear enough on the issue of love and hate

I use to think that guy was a Christian, but to see him preach hate here. Fear catch me.

Hate? Satan's tool in a life of someone who shd have Love? How can Love And Hate Coexist Biko?

Makschinchin:
You're getting it all wrong sir.. Always taking Scriptural passages out of context And for the records, I'm a Christian, a Nigerian, and I don't link my ancestral history to David's because I'm not an Israelite talk more of David's descendant.. I haven't even seen any Christian who claims such (I don't personally know anyone from Israel). If you know any who is claiming such, why not let us know? Again, I don't have low self esteem and inferiority complex, so why would you ascribe such words to all Christians??

For those who care to know, in the Bible, Jesus often spoke in parables.. He explained these parables to His disciples and people who cared to know. There were some parables Jesus spoke that even His disciples didn't understand, they asked Jesus and He explained the parables to them But for some others who don't believe in Him, who never cared to know, they were left in the dark and may have ended up using logic/reasoning to unravel the truth behind the parables..

You can never decipher Jesus' parables with common sense/logic/human reasoning, you'll only end up in confusion. It is only the Holy Spirit that can give us understanding into everything that has to do with the Word of God and the Ways of God.

My dear FolyK, stop using human reasoning alone to decipher the Word of God.. Ask for the wisdom of God which is pure and full of good fruits.. "Ask and keep asking, and it shall be given unto you..." Matthew 7:7

Thank you

He doesn't have wisdom and he cannot have it. At least Divine Wisdom, that one comes from Jesus and he is Anti-Christian.

FOLYKAZE:
You see how stupid you are shey? Even if we don't agree on some issues, you should respect me and I will accord you same respect. Look at how I engaged Makschinchin, that is because he is well mannered. Mufftylaff is also another Christian I like to engage. They followed the bible guidelines as laid down in 1 Peter 3:15,16.

Thanks for the insult, but I can't see the backup scriptures I asked for. Pls post them. You come off maligning My Father and you expected me to pamper you. Get on with it boy and post the scriptures let be kick your arse.

FOLYKAZE:
No sir, you always make a wrong conclusion. And please, stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that ALL Christians hates their parents. What I said is that Jesus instructed his disciples to hate their parents. Whether his disciples take the instruction to the last letter is not issue here. However, some still have have hateful tendency against their parents.

Same Jesus instructed his disciples to sell off their properties, give sales proceed to the poor and follow him. How many Christians follow the instructions to the last letter? Mary Theresa did but not so many Christians can. That is the hypocrisy called blind followership.



The scripture is sacrosanct. And has it instructions laid down in simple English. It is only Pharisees choose what and what not to practise.

Christianity as I know it, and the bible which I read is filled with hateful doctrines which shouldn't be allowed in sane climate. The whole religion is founded on hate, divides and disharmony.

Even when you are going astray, I love you brother. Remain blessed.

I asked that you post scriptures backing your comments @bolded here. Can you pls post them?

FOLYKAZE:
Many have been lured into Christianity with those deceit. Were you not the one that don't want to have anything to do with Lucifer? That is the root of all hatred. It starts from hating Lucifer, to hating imaginary enemies in the village and pray that they die by fire (my boss be mfm and that is her line of prayer).

I was once like you my dear. But, history has shown that Christianity isn't the right path, Islam isn't either. Africans should look inward. Africans should disregard all form of religion that subject us to enslavement either in form of mind, skin color, ethnicity, and even sex.

It is demeaning that Jehovah silent all women in church and synagogue. Women in Christianity are second class human who have little or no value. The Heavens have no single woman. In Islam, women have no value outside sex and production of old children. And our women still cant see this.

Do you have idea about Yoruba spirituality? You are important to us in this spiritual system. Ifa value women. Check us out

So satanism is the right path, why then aren't you cozy staying in your shrine but always want to talk Christianity which is not the right path. Are you confused?

alBHAGDADI:
@bold

Oh. I use to think you were a Believer.

Jesusjnr, I can't read all you typed there but I will react only to your Heading.
Psalms 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

You missed represented this scripture and if one reads it only from your thread one will tern to believe that a Believer prayed that others shd die while he lives.

But, going by the Word in PS 91:7, is that what it says?

To get it right, let us start by deciphering who the pesona is.

Who is making this declaration and to who? because, someone is adressing a second party.

Does the "A thousand and ten thousands there referring to human beings?

Look again. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; [b]but it[/b]shall not come nigh thee.

What is the 'IT' referring to?
If the thousands were humans it be IT, it will be they. And Ten thousands cannot be singular 'IT'.

Jesusjnr. If you read PS 91 carefully from verse 1 to the end, none of it refers to a human who is considered an enemy by some people. The devil is the enemy referred to here as IT. And the 11thousands which shall fall are demons which try to get us, not Humans.

OLAADEGBU:
He has confirmed that he is neither a Christian nor does he believe that the Bible is the word of God. He is a follower of a false prophet who goes by the name 'Fatai Balogun.'

Pls who is Fatai Balogun? Where can I read abt him?

CodeTemplar:
Did Jesus ask us to pray for our enemies to live or to die?
Picture a case of witchcraft of Father warring against his son for decades and then suddenly the son comes to the knowledge of such wicked reality. if the father lives in denial and keep to his wicked ways indefinitely, should the son pray for his enemy to live or to die?

Even the Bible says it is a good thing with God to recompense tribulation for those that trouble you.

What is tribulation?

Yes Bros. It is Jesus who recompenses the tribulation, not you. Leave vengeance for me I will repay means just that.

leaving vengeance means, don't tell God what to do abt it either. Face being forgiving and loving to the enemy because, if the demon of Necromancy which is witchcraft is cast out of him, you'd then know that he was a victim taken captive my satan.

Case in point, the Demoniac of Gadarines. Imagine that man when he was wholely possessed, what he had done to people, but when he Encountered Jesus, was he the same man? No. What changed? The Spirits inside which held him captive left him.

I understand very well why the Lord says we shd leave vengeance for him. Even if you'd want to avenge, you could never really avenge the way He wld when He gets around to doing it in due time.

alBHAGDADI:
There's no such thing as personal relationship with Christ. He's your master and head while you are his servant. He dictates orders which you have to follow and have no right to cherry pick. Failure to obey his words means you are a disobedient servant.

Don't be fooled by liberal Christianity which says love everybody. This is why you also believe in a thing called personal relationship with Jesus, a thing the Bible never commanded.

What kind of Christian are you if you don't have a personal relationship with Jesus?
From Eden God wanted a personal relationship with Adam, hence he came down at he cool of the day to fellowship, have a nice time visiting and conversing with him.

He had a relationship with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, I can go on. Everyone who ever walked with God, was in relationship with Him. How is your own Christianity different?

No wonder you say we shd hate people.
OKcornel, I spot you o. Abeg put mouth for this talk.

alBHAGDADI:
When he called you into a marriage with him, was it you alone as an individual or a group called The church?

If it's a group called The church, then how's that a personal relationship?

What is the Church? Do you really know?
I am a Church in a small detail and a group of the called out ones as a whole.

alBHAGDADI, our salvation is not collective, it's individualistic, that is why everyone of us needs to accept Christ individually. A father cannot accept Christ or repent for the sins of his child no matter much he loves him. On the day of judgement, your sins will not be required from anyone else, but from you.

We are the bride of Christ individually sir.

jesusjnr:
Oops. You forgot to add the part of the saying where He also said "you must also hate yourself."

Perhaps the meaning of hatred in this context exceeds the boundaries of your mentality.

And he is a native doctor o.

FOLYKAZE:
The same Jesus told us he was sent to ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel, and he directed his disciple to preach the gospel only to the Jew. Not only that, he placed a curse on those who are not jew but claim they are. What a racist god my black kinsmen worship.

@OP, didnt your bible ask you to HATE your father and mother?

Christianity propagates hatred, segregation, division, intolerance and disharmony. The love you are preaching is facade.

When you are done consulting for your demons, you can post scriptures to back up your comments here so that I can have fun shredding your arse to pieces.

alBHAGDADI:
There's no such thing as personal relationship with Christ. He's your master and head while you are his servant. He dictates orders which you have to follow and have no right to cherry pick. Failure to obey his words means you are a disobedient servant.

Don't be fooled by liberal Christianity which says love everybody. This is why you also believe in a thing called personal relationship with Jesus, a thing the Bible never commanded.

You sound very authoritarian like a dictator.
Pls, Jesus is not authoritarian, and He never marshalled out orders for anyone to obey.

He called us into a marriage with him, and every marriage is a relationship.

It is "Whosoever Will". This is not the tune of a Dictator that you try to present here.