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Oche211:
lolz.....
Agbaya

VBCampaign:
Deji will respond to you if you will respond to the content of what he wrote. Take a few of his point and attempt refuting them, then Deji will attend to you.

Oche211:
your father's name

VBCampaign:
Deji will respond to you if you will respond to the content of what he wrote. Take a few of his point and attempt refuting them, then Deji will attend to you.

MuttleyLaff:
They see clearly but don't perceive. They read clearly but don't understand.

This is your problem, inability to get understanding. Let me tell you about wisdom. Wisdom, means, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God.

Now if King Solomon, who inarguably, is there wisest man who ever lived, messed up by relegating wisdom to the last, who are these men who come after King Solomon that Yesufu mentioned, hmm?. There is no comparison because it wasnt money, power, riches and wealth that corrupted King Solomon, it was the lack of appreciating sense wiseness and not anymore embracing wisdom, as the most important thing. Whether you are a Biodun Fatoyinbo, Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, or Enoch Adeboye wisdom is supreme, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God, is the principal thing.

Devgod:
You've said a lot but yet said nothing. Satan is the Ruler of this world. As clearly stated in the Bible. If I knew your horizons were this blunt i wont have engaged you. Mehn

budaatum:
As far as I am concerned, Fatoy not only pissed on the Bible, he burned it too, and that, in my opinion, is worse than a picture depicting what he did, accurately!

As to Christians behaving as hooligans as some say, I laugh. Those with the Holy Spirit will always fail at hooliganism, and for pissing on the Bible for that matter.

MuttleyLaff:
I know you hardly read at all, you arent used to reading, so I will spell it out just for you, I mean just for your benefit

At the beginning of King Solomon's life, the Bible deliberately let us know, that wisdom was paramount in his life. It was just as Proverbs 4:7 says wisdom is supreme, and so it was that wisdom, was more important than anything else at the beginning of King Solomon's life, but come eight chapters later after 2 Chronicles 1:12 and at the end of King Solomon's life, we are made to realise that the once wisdom, that was leading, being first and foremost in King Solomon's life, has by then, got relegated to and put to a lower or less important place of insignificance.

VBCampaign:
These Pastors Did Not Begin Well

By: Deji Yesufu

In the light of the latest Biodun Fatoyinbo saga, I was in a discussion with a sister and it veered off to the reasons why pastors are falling into grave scandals of sexual immorality and financial impropriety. She was of the opinion that many of these pastors started out well in ministry but due to increased wealth, popularity and the allure of the world, they have gone off their calling and are today doing something God never called them to do. I disagreed with her. I felt many of these pastors never started well. Many of them are not Christians. I would be spending the rest of the essay to show why and I hope to make a strong case for this point.

The nature of the Christian life a person possesses is premised ultimately on the message that that Christian believes. A careful study of the New Testament shows that the Apostles of Jesus Christ were concerned with two major things in ministry: they sought to propagate the gospel of Christ and they ensured that the true gospel was preserved from distortion (Matthew 28:19; Acts 20:30). In fact propagating the gospel, bringing the message of redemption to a sinful world, appeared to be a lot less challenging for them than preserving the gospel from distortion by false teachers from within the church. And a careful study of church history reveals that the Christian Church was troubled a lot more by false teaching within its ranks than persecutions from outside.

The reason why the preserving of the gospel message is important is because the message you believe would form the Christian you would be. If you believed the true gospel, you would be a true Christian. If you believed a false gospel, you would be a false Christian. Today the overarching message that many call a Christian gospel is one that teaches that God exists for the well-being of human beings; it knows nothing of the sovereignty of God. It teaches that Jesus Christ died to make man healthy and wealthy; it has distorted the doctrine of salvation from sin alone. It teaches that the sole duty of the Holy Spirit is to wrought supernatural miracles in the life of Christians, so that we may live as super-men in this world; it does not know anything about the Spirit that sanctifies.

When the Protesters invaded Biodun Fatoyinbo’s church in Abuja last Sunday, some newsmen were on ground to hear the opinions of his church members. All of those interviewed said that Biodun Fatoyinbo is a true man of God because ever since they started to come to his church their lives had gotten better. Some said they had no jobs and now they have jobs. Some claimed they were living irresponsibly on the streets but now they are men and women raising families in a responsible manner. No one talked about how they had been delivered from a life of sin and have come into a life of holiness. No one talked about separation from the world and devotion to God. Religion for these folks, as it is for millions of other professing people all around the world, is a means to get from God. The great Christian is not the holy Christian but the rich and powerful Christian. What a shame.

Biodun Fatoyinbo, Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye and thousands of other so called ministers of the gospel do not have a beginning in Christ because the gospel they claim to preach is not the Christian message. A health and wealth gospel cannot convert sinners. It means that these men and many of their followers are still in their sins and heading to an eternity without God and without Christ. Some of them may pretend and claim to be sanctimonious but the likes of Fatoyinbo cannot pretend any longer. Their hidden sins are coming out and are being exposed daily for all to see. It is indeed the mercies of God to Biodun Fatoyinbo that his sins are revealed now and he can repent and believe in Jesus Christ, and thus be saved. Those who are genuinely to be pitied are those have succeeded in covering up their sins in this world, only to have them unveiled in the presence of Christ in the life to come.

The Christian message is this: that Christ died and rose again to offer up redemption for the sins of the world. Thus God calls all men to believe the gospel: to believe that Christ alone can offer refuge to men from the coming wrath of God upon sinners. The gospel tells us that in Christ we can exchange our sins for the righteousness of God. We can know justification from all things.

The gospel teaches the concept of two Adams. The first Adam was the first created man. He is our first parent. Adam sinned and lost paradise. He was banished from the presence of God. The awful reality of having Adam as our parent is that Adam bequeaths sin to every man that is born of a woman. We inherit his sin. Because we born of the flesh, we have Adam’s sin imputed on us. Theologians refer to this as original sin. Every person born into this life is a sinner in need of redemption.

The second Adam is Jesus Christ. Christ was not born of Adam; he was born of the Holy Spirit. He was born of God. For this reason, Jesus Christ does not possess Adam’s sin. When we are therefore born-again, we are born of the Spirit. We are born of God. We are born of Christ. We take up Christ original righteousness – in the same way we took up Adam’s original sins. Christ’s original righteousness therefore stands as our justification before a holy God. Christ becomes our substitute. Our righteousness. Our redemption. Halleluyah!

This is the Christian gospel and it must go beyond mere words and become a reality in our hearts. This is the message that Biodun Fatoyinbo and other ministers like him in Pentecostal assemblies do not preach. They do not preach it because they do not have these realities in their hearts – a man cannot give what he does not have. They have no foundation in the true gospel. Their foundation is in a false gospel and of a necessity a false gospel would yield a hypocritical Christian life that would only lead to the type of scandals that we hear of today.

This is the reason I am convinced that these pastors never began a Christian walk with Jesus Christ at all. They have all along believed a false gospel. And it would be important, in the light of scandals like these, that those who look up to them examine their own hearts and faith and be sure of what they have believed. A false gospel cannot yield a Christian life. A false gospel would yield essentially what we are seeing today – scandals.



Deji Yesufu is the author of the book Victor Banjo and Half a Millennium. He can be reached on newdejix@gmail.com

Source: http://mouthpiece.com.ng/these-pastors-did-not-begin-well/

Oche211:
On point....
Many of our so called pastor called themselves into the ministry. Some were called by money, power and fame. Others were called by Hunger. These ones started wrong. They are out for the grams.
However, there are others called by God and they started well, bt then their attentions were diverted to the god of money, power and materialism.
Some of them turn themselves to gods of men.

MuttleyLaff:
"Wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; and I will give thee riches, and wealth, and honour, such as none of the kings have had that have been before thee, neither shall there any after thee have the like."
- 2 Chronicles 1:12

"And king Solomon passed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom."
- 2 Chronicles 9:22

"Wisdom is of utmost importance, therefore get wisdom, and with all your effort work to acquire understanding."
- Proverbs 4:7

Who are these guys mentioned the original post compared with King Solomon, hmm?

King Solomon, inarguably the man with the most sense and common sense and sense wiseness, that ever lived, who started well in 2 Chronicles 1:12, but on getting towards the end of his life, finished badly erhn, when wisdom that was first and in the forefront, as in, a most important first position in his life, got being relegated to the last, by the time we reached reading 2 Chronicles 9:22, hmm?

Nobaga, with any iota of sense wiseness, relegates wisdom to the last. Do it at your peril.

It wasnt money, power, riches and wealth that corrupted King Solomon, it was the lack of appreciating sense wiseness and not anymore embracing wisdom, as the most important thing.

SendoSendal:
Deji Yesufu, Assistant Jesus, Minister in charge of holiness and righteousness, more grace to your pen. It's easy to castigate men of God because they are in the spotlight but the reality is that they are Christians like you and I. It is the same yardstick that God will use to judge all of us. If search light is to be beamed at our private lives , how many of us will come out incorruptible, except maybe Deji Yesufu

Mynd44:
And yet people find it difficult to believe he could have raped women.


Funny

Fadomero:
If not that have watched the video I for say na lie

MuttleyLaff:
"The devil said (i.e. to Jesus Himself, face to face that is)
I will give all this power and glory to you. It has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to"
- Luke 4:6

Devgod:
Satan is the King of the Earth. He owns the earth. He even promised Jesus the earth and all its glory if he can bow down to him. Get that.

desiredhome:
Yes Satan owns and rule this world

desiredhome:
that is the reason Christ warned the Christians,
Even when Christ was tempted by Satan, Mathew 4:10 he promise Christ the whole world if He will bow to him but Jesus answered and said get thee behind me Satan.

desiredhome:
today our gospel have turned to gospel of money(Mammon/Satan) by our so called spiritual leaders, replacing spirituality with materialism.

proxillin:
U r empty..with no know knowledge...I have never seen an empty living thing.

There are may freemason lodges in Lekki and ikoyi in Lagos.

Maybe u need to attend one. And stop disgracing urslef..

And next time keep shut if u r not sure of what u r saying..

budaatum:
So? Did Punch lie? If Fatoy did what it is alleged he did was he not pissing on Dakolo? Thankfully, the outcry over it was so big that bigger noise can't possibly be made about a cartoon of Fatoy pissing on the Bible.

budaatum:
So? Did Punch lie? If Fatoy did what it is alleged he did was he not pissing on Dakolo? Thankfully, the outcry over it was so big that bigger noise can't possibly be made about a cartoon of Fatoy pissing on the Bible.

OpenYourEyes1:
Notice the Freemasonry black and white Checkerboard... Author probably letting fellow masons know that this is the work of a member?

tartar9:
And whenever the murdered god worshipper Anas09 makes a comment,it never makes sense.I taught we were on your silly comment about your jewish masters now...he has changed topic.

MuttleyLaff:
You are not woke Anas09. You are desensitized and feel no empathy for the affliction of strictly monogamous same sex attraction people, who are not into any form of homosexuality that has do with or has anything to do with idolatry, the state of being promiscuous or ritual sex worship act(s)

Sense, means the ability to act with restraint, judgement and reasoning. It is any of the manners by which we as human beings perceive the physical world, as in through sight, smell, hearing, touch, taste. Sensibility means to give way to feeling and emotion. It is the ability to sense, feel or perceive and especially to be sensitive to the feelings of another person, e.g. a person like a homosexual, singled out, to bear, take or suffer the brunt of discrimination, prejudice, injury, hatred, violence, fear of their lives etcetera.

Anas09, are your sense and sensibility alive to every affliction of a same sex attraction person who deserves a safe and supportive environment to live in peace and harmony within the community but has been made out, to become unloved, victims, marginalised, ostracised, discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shunned, abused, maltreated, mistreated, shamed, abandoned, feel unsafe, imprisoned, rejected, have fear for their lives, etcetera. Even to date, same sex attraction people, as we speak, are still being discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shamed, abandoned, imprisoned, rejected and fear for their lives.

Anas09, can you please tell how two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, as in a woman and woman or a man and man, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime, life-long and loyal same-sex strictly monogamous relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object , not harmful to a child, not harmful to an animal, is affecting you? Except you of course, have a disorder called homophobia, hmm?

Hate talks and crimes against same sex attraction people, do not happen often maybe in more developed countries but in the Middle East region, Africa and parts of Asia, its a very huge problem and a considerable concern. Same sex attraction people may not be killed for being that, in Europe or the US but they still have to contend and deal with toxic hate. Unfortunately people like you Anas09, use false religion and use the Bible incorrectly, as the basis for your reasoning but in reality its a ruse, because you use that, as a mask and/or an excuse, to hide your own insecurity, ignorance and prejudice.

It is only a wicked person, someone with no empathy, no compassion that would do nothing, say nothing, bury head in sand, drop like its a hot potato, when minority people are getting maimed, getting injured, getting hunted down and killed just because of their same sex attraction sexuality

Ranchhoddas:
Oh sorry.


I dey like daily daily bread

tartar9:
"your life" and "everything Islam",how are they the same statements.You dont have to admit you werent making sense,just be quiet.

MuttleyLaff:
Nobi you put mouth enter wetin no "cosign" you, erhn. Abi dem gif you invite for dis thread bifor, hmm? Biko, who ask make una come gatecrash the thread, erhn?

Anas09, some people, if they are spiritually mature, are ready to talk on any subject matter, even the deep-seated fears inclusive and ready to promptly answer hard questions thrown at them, but those who aren't spiritually mature, are not ready for any of them two. Arent ready to expose themselves to their deepest fear(s), and so fear gets a grip of them. Fear has power over them. They are prisoners of fear.

Anas09, curiosity has its own reason for existing. Thinking begins when you are ready and prepared to participate in a talk and dont mind asked really difficult questions. Never be afraid of having the one to one talks. Dont be afraid of the hard questions you might be asked.
Find the courage to participate in the one to one talks, dont fear to answer the questions you're afraid to hear the answer of. Why Anas09? It is because its the only way you'll know which direction your truth lays

Of course you don't want to and prefer to "livam for hia" sic, because it'll expose what's wrong with you, whats wrong in your attitude and whats wrong in your belief system

Anas09, you know as well as I do, that you can take a horse to the river, but you can't force it to drink. Most people fall victim to bad and wrong dogma. You can only expose them to information, but your responsibility stops there. "To raise pènis, nobi by force nau"

MuttleyLaff:
That was a mistype or uncompleted typing. Obviously, I intended typing that, not all forms of homosexuality is a sex pattern of the beast, whatever "sex pattern of the beast" means, nor does are all forms of homosexuality to do with or has anything to do with idolatry, the state of being promiscuous or ritual sex worship act(s)

"If I am meant by God to be here, whether my father happened to be or didnt happen to be a staunch homosexual, I'll be here and be here discussing with everyone.

Case in point, some happily fit in "go into the world and multiply and fill the earth..." with children via surrogacy, cases in point, Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, etcetera whilst other some, already earlier or along the way, have had kids, just like Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, google her up, then there's also someone like, Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum (i.e. staunch lesbian)

"Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation"?, you earlier asked me,
at which I replied: "Yes, there are, case in point Elton John and partner, and using methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination"."
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 3:11am On Jun 17

Like one poster here asked me and as you can see from the above inverted commas, I replied back that homosexuals produce offsprings to continue the human race

Tell me, what is that you both, as in, you and Daddy are doing, when you use contraceptives, you on your pills and Daddy strapping on his condoms when about to make the earth move? I shudder to think what you'll interpret that to be

God says man and woman, if man and man, so be it, but satan, says man and women, man and men

After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says wtf, but today is Saturday and I am asking, why do human beings see some things as true, no matter what, but remain totally blind to other truths that are actual, erhn?

Anas09, Phariseeism did not disappear after the first century. Wise people, unlike most interlocutors on this thread, dont Pharisaical judge, they get wisdom, and with all their getting, get understanding. Anas09, as you grow each day and each day become older, you will find yourself right on some things, and wrong on others. But in the process, don't be arrogant not to surrender to the truth and embrace the truth where or when you find you were wrong

OkCornel:
Hate is too strong a word to associate me with.


Why do you say I hate word of faith preachers?

tartar9:
Look at whose life,o you think im you

Ranchhoddas:
Where you go since? This section don miss you.