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amo123:
Chelsea European titles covers all league titles city wins. even if they win ten more. 1 cl equals 10 EPL. 1 CWC equals 8 epl . 1 supercup equals 7 EPL. 1 Europa league equals 5 EPL. now do the maths. even Aston villa and Nottingham forest have won ucl, without 1billion budget. so move to the next argument please.

lol how old are you?

donstan18:
I can praise Mou for winning UCL and European trophies with different clubs and players.

I can do same for Carlo.

All can be done without dragging Pep inside, but why is it difficult for you to prove that Pep, without Messi isn’t useless in UCL without dragging Mou and Carlo.

Are you indirectly letting us know that Mou and Carlo are the standard when it comes to European trophies and achievements?

Just ask me when Pep will win trophies without the players at his disposal. That will make more sense. Messi has played for 18 seasons abi? Does he have 18 UCL titles?

airmark:
He spent over 1.2bn on a Ucl semifinalist and no Ucl won.

Maybe when KDB leaves then we will say he overhauled a Ucl semifinalist and still couldn't win it.

So in the screenshot I posted you were referring to the league abi? The one Everton and Stoke play in abi?

andrewbaba44:
That league title don Dey pain some of them ,they will always use champions league to attack man city

The normal argument style of every loser I know.

drisham:
Do you honestly mean this or you are just consoling yourself

If thats the case then Chelsea has more European trophies that your team will ever have

Since UCL isn't a MAIN priority

I gave receipts. Bring yours. I don't do wishy-washy arguments. Do you know the Premier League winner earns more than the UCL winner? lol

airmark:
That was 2017. We are in 2022 and he has spent over 1.2bn with no Ucl till now.

So he didn't spend 1.2bn on Semi finalists abi? That was the argument. Thanks for your time.

drisham:
Your club has 0 UCL in Their entire existence and you feel UCL isn't a priority


Some jokes write themselves

You are trying too hard. It is not the MAIN priority not that it is not a priority.

You know City now have more league titles than Chelsea right?

donstan18:
Since UCL semis is the standard you’ve placed Pep, let’s work with it.

Before Pep got appointed as a Barcelona manager, Barcelona made semis a season before Pep, won UCL 3 seasons before Pep. They made 2 semis twice in 3 seasons before Pep. Pep left them and they won UCL.

Now Bayern, Bayern made 3 UCL finals in 4 seasons, won UCL a season before Pep, made 3 semis in 4 seasons before Pep. Pep left them and they won UCL.

Now ManCity, they made UCL semis before Pep, spent 1b+ for Pep and you telling me that UCL semis is okay for Pep to be rated as a UCL guru under Mancity?

For real?? You’re actually saying Pep didn’t fail in UCL without Xavi-Inesta-Messi even after spending 1b+?

Barcelona won a UCL after Pep. Yes, after Tito Villanova, Tata Martino before Luis Enrique.

Bayern won a CL after Pep. Yes, after Carlo, Jupp Heynckes again and Niko Kovac before Hansi Flick.

Avram Grant got to a UCL final directly after Mou left Chelsea. Carlo won UCL in RM directly after Mou left RM. I can go on and on.

Failure is relative my guy.

donstan18:
Lol, Mou and Carlo are bigger than Pep when it comes to European competitions.

Don’t drag Mou into this discussion please, no need using Mou to defend yourself. They’re not mates in the European achievements please.

Let’s not cross boundaries and respect bosses please.

If asked if Pep has been a ucl failure after spending 1b+ without Xavi, Inesta and Messi, would you be able to counter that?

Haba, did Mourinho and Carlo win 3 UCL titles since Pep started coaching?

Pep has failed to win the UCL with City thus far. We agree. But he is not a failure because he has still done better than every manager before him. French people call it comme ci, comme ça.

donstan18:
You actually saying it’s okay to frame the losing result of a UCL finals against Werner, Christensen and Jorginho as an achievement for a club like ManCity and a manger who has spent 1b+??

No way you’re gonna agree this with a straight face?

He also lost FA Cup SF to Wigan in 2017/18. Freak results happen. Do you know Florentino Perez had texted Mancity CEO last season after Mahrez scored that this year will be City's year yet you saw that 5 mins freak show that ensued. Na so life be sometimes with cup competitions. That is why the league decides who sabi work well. Ask Mourinho when he was asking for respect showing 3 fingers. Was it 3 UCL titles he was referring to?

FirstbornWds:
EPL no hard again. E don become Pep poultry house.

Na wetin dey pain most of his haters here. They asked him to come to English league to prove himself. At that time, nobody said he must coach Stoke or Everton. They said anywhere he wants. He now selected City.

First season, he did not win. They mocked him. Nobody remembered that City had rich owners at the time. Nobody brought up UCL as well.

Baba started breaking all records then next thing they switched to no Champion's league QF. Then later no SF. Then no UCL trophy.

How can you please people who will always change the rules of the game? lol

donstan18:
Alright, so let’s discuss Pep’s UCL trophies without Xavi-Inesta-Messi who have won major National tournaments and UCL without Pep.

As bantering as it may seem, don’t you think Pep has proven to be a UCL failure without these players?

No offense!! Don’t you think so?

Failure is relative. He has reached multiple semi finals and a final. In City history, no other manager ever made a final. That is why I said he has been above average.

airmark:
Yes

But that is not what you said that time. Remember?

forgiveness:
Bring me quotes before Guardiola was employed and not after losing ucl up and down.

The day the guy go win the UCL, he will run away.

Bring the same quotes before he was employed to show he came to the EPL to win the UCL. lol

donstan18:
Mou won UCL trophies with different clubs.

Carlo won UCL trophies with different clubs.

Pep??

Yes both Carlo and Mou won UCL titles before Pep became a manager. Since that time Carlo has won 2 and Mourinho just 1. Pep has won 2 in the same time. Only that Pep won 1 league title, 2 Copa Del Rey, 1 UCL, 1 CWC, 1 Spanish Kings Cup in the 2 seasons that he stayed when Mou was in Real Madrid. Then he came to England and outdid Mou again. Same as he outdid Carlo in Bayern and while Bayern fired Carlo they begged Pep to renew.

Ihebu4chelsea:
Just say Man utd!!

They have spent 1b+ Think of another club.

donstan18:
I sincerely don’t care about other managers, but just discussing about Pep.

Are you saying a manager who hasn’t won UCL in 11 years after managing the best spending clubs in Germany and England has been average and not a failure?

I mean a manger who’s supposed to be ranked alongside with Carlo and Mou who has won UCL with different clubs?

Success in a cup competition is relative. Pep got to back to back to back SFs in Bayern. Carlo did not do it and was fired. Hansi Flick did not do it as well.

Pep has made a CL final and a SF back to back in City. Mancini and Pelle did not do it.

Mourinho finished 10th with Chelsea and was fired. I can't bring him into a discussion with his seniors.

forgiveness:
We are discussing about the intention of Mancity prior to the employment of Guardiola. So, if at all you want to present a substantial fact then resort to quotes made prior to Guardiola's employment not after losing and failing up and down.

That I call face saving.

You are not as clever as you think. Simply bring City management stating Pep's objective prior to 2016 as well.

donstan18:
Is it safe to say that Pep has been a big and terrible failure in UCL as a City manager? Or should we spin this fact with EPL trophy that took him 1b+ to dominate?

The first question is very important to answer chief.

He has been above average in the CL - his second priority. He is the overall best in his main target - EPL.

1b+ is cumulative right? He had won 2 EPL titles for e.g before even spending 400M. Some other managers are on their 8th season with 700M spent and they still have just 1.

Taguchi:
boss you lied that Man City brought Pep just to win UCL as if you're part of their board

I gave you the statement of an actual Board member and you're asking funny questions

what has stopped them from sacking Pep if he is not meeting their objective? they didn't hesitate to sack Mancini and Pelegrini

it's only in nairaland that a Rival club's Fan will claim to know the objectives of a Rival Club than it's CEO

Pep once told some investors in a private call that he will like to coach a national team one day and you need to see the way City management had to quickly put out a rejoinder that he is not referring to any time soon. Even Sheikh Monsour invited the man to personally beg him to renew. That is the man who is not meeting targets. lol

donstan18:
What was your primary reason for the screenshot you posted?

That the English League is the club's FIRST priority before any other title.

That is what the Fergusons and Shanklys etc always said until Guardiola started hoarding it. Then the narrative changed to Champion's league.

forgiveness:
Does it change the fact Guardiola was brought in to Mancity to win UCL after winning the epl EPL twice?

I don't know why you are insisting on responding without assimilating the fact that was first presented to you. Those screenshots have shown you the scale of preference:

1. English Premier League
2. Champion's League

forgiveness:
When did he make this statement?

When he was asked what his main target is every season.

donstan18:
What do you gain telling yourself lies?

How can a club that spends billions say UCL isn’t part of the given objectives to a manager and you believe it? How about our natural common sense to help us detect when club owners are trying to protect the integrity and failures of a manager? Lol.

You, yourself, do you think you’re being sincere to yourself as a ManCity fan, saying UCL isn’t part of the club priorities?

At what point in the statement was the UCL not part of the objectives?

forgiveness:
All trophies.

Good. Now mention any 2 managers that have ever met that target. Your time starts now. . .

forgiveness:
When was the that statement made?

When he was asked to choose between the 2 trophies, the one he preferred.

airmark:
So spending over 1.2bn on a Ucl semifinalist, is to win Epl consecutively, right? Raumdeuter will be higly disappointed in you and Fraudiola.

Was 1.2Bn spent on the UCL SF team he inherited?

If other people had won the league before Guardiola can the same argument not be made for Tuchel? So what is Tuchel's target this season?

forgiveness:
Do you mean Mancity said this prior to the appointment of Guardiola?

What about this?

forgiveness:
Do you mean Mancity said this prior to the appointment of Guardiola?

Is this good enough?

birdman:
We have to peep these rumors. That how they made it sound like Harden and Durant are now sworn enemies. Until we saw them balling at a concert like last weekend or so

In this case, I highly doubt Durant chose Nash. For the simple reason Nash was not even a coach in the NBA when KD was coming to Nets, and had no coaching experience even as assistant coach. Of all the coaches he could have chosen, why would he choose Nash, a player with no coaching credential? With whom he has no relationship with? E no make sense.

Nash is all front office. The players didnt mind because they thought their star power would overcome in any case. It is now obvious Nash should not be coaching in the NBA.

I mean, we had eyes. We saw KD refuse to select Harden during the All-Star game selection on TNT so he pretty much fueled those rumors himself. I personally think it is easier to accept that they reconciled post-All star similar to how KD and Russell Westbrook reconciled as well. I mean even Lebron and Kyrie have clearly put their differences aside.

As for Nash, while I can also agree that Nash had no experience for KD to leverage on, same can be said about the Brooklyn front office in their hiring of Nash. One thing we can all accept is, Nash foot the bill that KD and Kyrie wanted: communicator, hall of famer and one who would not micromanage them. The Nets always said the 2019 and forward era was the KD era so he must have given his input on that signing.

I have experienced KD in his time with GSW and he coaxes the journalists who want to have tier 1 gist on him to be revisionist. Is it not funny that KD seems to have a better relationship with Draymond who was instrumental to his leaving GSW than Curry who pretty much babied him and gave him the key to the team? Did this same cupcake not try to undermine Steve Kerr after he left? Did he not try to claim he was never really accepted at the Bay even when they were always calling his name last on the roster - after Curry's.

I am not drinking that KD Kool-aid again oh. I have repented.

izzou:
https://www.nairaland.com/7272745/inec-denies-recognising-lawan-akpabio

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Interesting. Thanks for this. I did not even know INEC denied resolving the Akpabio and co thing.