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OVA200:
You don deflect to boxing.
From Mourinho to Potter to guadiola to Mike Tyson to Mayweather just because you have no fact to butress your claim.

Bring proof let those people rest.

lol this is purely analogical. I want you to get the crux of my argument first.

Meanwhile, Liverpool consistently played a higher line than Chelsea did all season. I can't take any visual aid or graph seriously that cannot capture that. That is just a lie.

Everybody knows Liverpool's weak point.

OVA200:
Conte is the best example to use for an efficient coach.
Being better at coaching attacking play should result to better attacking output right?

Then bring out your proof to defend your claim?

It may not necessarily result in greater attacking output. Hence the Pep Wolves analogy.

OVA200:
I about to reply a post you made up there without quoting anyone so I guess I'm going to combine the reply here.

It shocked you that we played more high line than Liverpool last season? Well I'm not shocked, if you watch our matches (bar city) last season we are dominant team and created more chances than all our opponent.
Our attacker's ineptitude is the reason we are having this conversation.

You can pull out any attacking metric from last season and you will see we will definitely be there among the top.

In the case of Pep coaching wolves; I will tell you he won't be able to match the big boys in attacking output because the margins is too wide between both clubs but he will be better than all his pairs (i.e the rest mid table team).
Practal example is Brighton graham Potter current.

But in the case of pochettino and Tuchel the disparity between both clubs is not as wide as the case you reference.
But if we should to ignore that their time at PSG is the best example to measure both coaches because pochettino is the immediate successor of Tuchel but you don't want to go that line because it did not favour the line you tow.

To round this discussion up bring out proof to back your claim that pochettino coach a better attacking play than Tuchel?

You are slowly seeing my point. Pep's team won't outscore Tottenham most likely but people watching his teams will see that he is better at setting up his team to attack than Conte.

That is my argument concerning TT and Poch. Poch knows how to set his teams up to attack. He may not be great at man management or defensive duties or counter attacks or making substitutions or reading the other team's tactics or handling egomaniacs but the attack part he has shown more innovation than TT.

I can build on this but I don't want to make a long post.

Mike Tyson is a better "attacking" boxer than Mayweather. But overall Mayweather is a better boxer even though Mayweather is a defensive fighter.

Don't tell me Mayweather never lost therefore he is a better "attacking" boxer than Tyson.

Ennyjay69:
he can't do shit with Chelsea,sack pep and hire him if you like him so much

Another example of people who respond without understanding.

donstan18:
All you typed has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.

Why didn’t you admit that he was sacked because of a fallout, but had to use the same line for Poch, the shameless notorious bottler.

That’s my point. No dey tell me how experienced you are on PSG management issues. Stay in line, no dey move anyhow.

You are showing that you don't read posts well before replying just like I had to repeat 3 times that TT was overall better to me before you saw it even though I had said it many times prior.

Again, I ignored that part when people brought it up because it adds nothing to the conversation about which coach has the better attacking pedigree.

Read before responding.

OVA200:
A good way to chicken out when you are cornered.

At PSG he coached more attacking play than pochettino too.
In fact their entire career he coached more attacking play than pochettino so on what basis should I believe what you said and put any stat to defend your claim.

lol

TT is to me better because he is more efficient and he coaches his teams to be more efficient.

A more efficient team will produce more results.

A more efficient team is not the same as a more attacking team.

Let me know you understand what I have said thus far before I add more layers to it.

WhoDeyHause:
Mourinho was sacked before he played his final. Pochettino played his own and lost. Mourinho won his first champions league final as an underdog. Pochettino went to his first champions league final as the underdog and lost. Levy not backing pochettino does not mean he should not be doing better by performing poorly in champions league group stage and being in 14th position in the premier league.

Porto was an underdog to Monaco?

Ok. Thanks for your time.

donstan18:
4 times you were called out that Tuchel didn’t get sacked because of performance, but a fallout, what did you say? Did you admit? Did you agree? No! But kept packing jargons with epistle.

And here you are, trying to use the same line for someone who left Spurs wallowing on 14th position.

There is literally nobody here who has said anything about TT that I did not already know. You can dig my posts as Android17 on the United thread. I know more about why he left PSG than anyone has written here. You can check it out for yourself.

The people bringing it up are just deflecting which is why I ignored it.

WhoDeyHause:
Totenham and leceister were the two front-runners for the title once they entered may. Assnal were also challenging them at one point before it became a two horse race before he started dropping more points and everything finished when he messed up against us. Knowing he had the stronger team he was seen as the favourite before leceister. Arteta has won the fa cup.

Can you simply understand the question you are asked before responding?

OVA200:
You are just being stubborn and not ready to admit you goofed.
Is it by season spent in EPL?

In Ligue 1 TT have better attacking output.

In EPL TT already have better output in 5/6 of pochettino EPL seasons.

In their entire career TT have better attacking output.
So what is the stat to conclude Pochettino coached more attacking play than Tuchel?

Pochettino is not a defensive coach that's not the bone of contention but he did not coach attacking play better than Tuchel.

Yes this Chelsea play high line than Liverpool and Brighton. (Check the picture below).

So Chelsea played more of a highline than Liverpool this past season? lol

Wait, if Pep was coaching Wolves with the same quality of players currently at Wolves will his team score more goals than Tottenham under Conte?

I am wading through a lot of fluff you have above.

Realtord43:
you were sayin Tuchel was Sack due to bad result earlier?

tuchel left psg in 3rd with only one point behind 1st and 2nd.
while lille and lyon were in 1st and 2nd respectively with only goal differences btw them.

in two season, he won 6 trophies and a ucl final.

pochetino came and melt better player but couldnt handle them.
he was so clueless psg was managing to win game with lots losses and draw.

he getting to ucl final with spur was shell luck and robbery against mancity, you knw this ar a city fans. Reason the ucl final btw lvpol nd spur was on of the worst ucl final ever, he was really poor with his tactics nd he is a mid coach for a mid club only. His days at spur and psg can only be term as a failure!

I did not say that. You don't understand what I have been saying. Just read slowly and catch up.

donstan18:
Yet, you’re finding difficult to believe same thing happened to Tuchel in PSG.

Why are you people like this?

Where did I say or imply this?

OVA200:
I get your time today.
You too dey package rubbish with confidence.

Firstly I can see you can't defend this any longer because you can't even counter any of my points instead you deflect to another topic entire by bringing Mourinho.

Secondly this a coach vs another coach; so to sound sensible you need to compare Mourinho to any attacking coach.

Furthermore That Mourinho's record is an anomaly because that's the main (if not only) worthy attacking stats he has.
And I can also tell you he conceded the least goal in EPL history.
And he also have the most clean sheet in a season.
And all sort of other defensive record.

If you veer off into casting aspersions I won't respond again as I am not conversing with you to learn anything.

I brought up Mourinho to show how simplistic and contextless your argument is.

Chelsea scored 76 goals and Poch's Tottenham only beat that tally once therefore, TT is a better attacking coach is a reductive argument. I showed an analogy to help you see that that style of arguing is fallacious.

You guys need to relax. If I say Graham Potter is the 3rd best attacking coach in the league behind Pep and Klopp that does not mean I am saying he is better than TT or Conté overall.

And you are not proving me wrong by showing me that Brighton scored for e.g 50 goals and that Chelsea scored 76 goals.

Chelsea is the better team and will win more games which is related to scoring more goals. But if you watch the way Brighton plays and the advanced positions the average players take, you will see the point.

Use numbers in context if you must use them. Nobody will watch Mourinho's teams and conclude that he is a better attacking coach than Sarri. Even if Mou is better overall than Sarri.

WhoDeyHause:
Arteta has won the fa cup. Leceister beat him to win their first premier league title when some thought he was the favourite then. He won nothing.

When the season begun Tottenham were favorites?

I asked about Arteta this season since he is now first and has won all games. Will he be a failure if Arsenal say finish 2nd?

WhoDeyHause:
He gave mixed result and was sacked before he played his first cup final for the club. It does not then mean pochettino is vindicated for not building upon top 4 finishes to winning a trophy all his time at spurs.

The final is not the same one Poch reached too? Did Poch not also reach a UCL final something Mou did not do with RM? How was he going to build on the team when Levy refused to support him? Is that not what Boehly is doing for TT now?

OVA200:
In Tuchel only full season in EPL we scored 76 goals that's better than pochettino 5 different season in EPL bar only 1.

Tuchel played expansive football all his managerial career only at Chelsea he was a little causious and that's even only bettered by city and more expansive than anything pochettino played at Spurs.

The only time Tuchel attackers are not high on numbers is only at Chelsea and that's majorly down to our attacker's ineptitude.

Coaching identity?
I'm sorry pochettino did not have any either.

How many seasons has TT coached in the EPL?

THIS Chelsea is more expansive than Liverpool? Brighton?

You watched Tottenham under Poch and they were not expansive? You saw them play teams and park the bus or play strictly on the counter?

Anyone who watches TTs Chelsea will see a constantly attacking set up?

OVA200:
Honestly that that line off me.
We scored 76 times in the EPL last season pochettino better that only once in 5 seasons with Tottenham.
And that's Tuchel first full season in EPL.

Tuchel Dortmund average 2.60 goals per game in burndesliga.
Tuchel PSG team scored the second most goals in PSG history in Ligue 1.

Mourinho's team scored the most goals in La Liga history. He is the best attacking coach in La Liga history.

Realtord43:
How about Tuchel in Psg?

What does that have to do with anything?

What am I saying and what are some of you saying?

WhoDeyHause:
They didn't all do well that season but those teams all won a trophy during his time in totenham. Why could he not do that too?

Are they not traditionally better than Tottenham? Don't you achieve based on your predetermined expectations or objectives? If Arteta does not win the league this season is he a failure?

WhoDeyHause:
That didn't mean he won't be sacked after leaving them 14th on the table. That squad was still a strong one without being refreshed by levy. Even compassionate owners will have sacked him.

Ok like what did Mourinho do with the squad?

WhoDeyHause:
Levy sacked him after leaving spurs 14th on the table and a dismal champions league position. It was not his problems with levy over transfers that got him sacked.

lol before I respond well, I'll let you go back research it and be sure. You know he was fighting the board for not agreeing to refresh the squad that got to the UCL final?

FirstbornWds:
In the year that Leicester won the league, TOT came third.

That is not what he was referring to. He was saying Poch is the only 1 to achieve it with Tottenham. And that was a huge overachievement for Tottenham.

The people going back to the Leicester season are being mischievous especially if you consider that they are excusing Chelsea, City, United yet blaming Poch for that same season.

Poch is not perfect. Who is? He can't handle big name players. But he has consistently shown forward-thinking and innovative attacking displays with all his teams especially when coaching younger and more impressionable players.

Bombblacks:
How can a club that was not expected to finish top 4 before the season starts bottle a title. If Leicester had finished 2nd that season would you call ranieri a bottler and a useless coach?

Mehn, I have been confused by some arguments here.

Some people's argument here is, since Mourinho's RM team scored 121 league goals in 2011-12 Mourinho is therefore a more attacking coach than Zidane and Ancelotti. That is how some people sound.

Realtord43:
Why did Spur Sack him?

You know he fell out with Levy?

FirstbornWds:
He finished 3rd

In 2016-17!

OVA200:
You really fumble with the "pochettino is good at coaching attacking play more than Tuchel" line, because that's absolutely wrong.
And true the entirety of their career Tuchel's team average more goals per game than pochettino's team.

And don't be fooled by Chelsea formation and beer parlor analysis going on here, don't play defensive football and we only play defensive football against only city last season.
You can check every metric or stat you want to check.

Like their time so far in the English Premier league? Like how expansive their coached teams play? Like the output of many of their players attack wise? Like how free flowing their coached teams play? Their coaching identities and philosophies?

Mourinho replaced Poch in Tottenham and was awful. That Tottenham team.

Ennyjay69:
after developing spurs,did he win anything?
Is that how he will come here to develop people and keep bottling trophies?

It is easier to win a title with Dortmund than Tottenham. In Dortmund, only Bayern is better than you. In Tottenham, you have 5 other traditionally better teams. It is arguable that finishing 2nd with Tottenham is a better achievement than winning the DFB Pokal.

lateefGRDT:
are you asking me??.. I'm i his mum??
Why don't you answer why tuchel's team scored more goals than your poch??

Will PSG score more goals with or without Neymar?

There is a reason I am not addressing other points you made by the way. Your argument is like someone saying KdB is a better goal scorer than Messi and they are making reference to the fact that Messi had 6 goals in the league last season compared to KdBs 15. You judge over the course of their careers not isolated instances.

WhoDeyHause:
Tuchel was top of his champions league group. He was just a point behind Lyon in league one so his sacking was obviously not for sporting reasons. He was sacked after a fallout with the psg board. Tuchel was one of the best attacking coaches at Dortmund with aubameyang and dembele. You said pep recommended him to bayern which tuchel rejected to move to Chelsea. Will pep recommend a coach that hardly attacks to bayern?

Where did I say TT hardly attacks? I don't know what some of you are responding to.