₦airaland Forum

DaveHert:
I asked if you were a virgin, you went on to talk of keeping virginity till wedding night and shoot yourself on the foot by saying I shouldn't take you by your words. I would have taken you seriously if you're a virgin. Not dating, never dated and always decently dressed, preaching decency...but if you're not a virgin, probably been in few relationships and would still be in more before you find prince charming, you don't have the moral uprightness to preach decency. Now, I just reasoned like you.

You should learn from Dimple, you're too shallow and quick to condemn. Just because a girl wore a mini dress doesn't mean she should be disrespected. It's not her dress that defines her but character and personality. It would actually be a boring world to have everyone covered in Jihab.

Actually, me telling you not to take my word for it doesn't mean I was lying. But you can't judged me with that either because I believe in keeping myself till after marriage cause I'm practicing it.

Again who's talking about hijab? People and their mentality sha, who said only those in hijabs dress decently? My point is you'll always be judged by the way you dress. And most guys won't respect girls that don't respect their selves and their bodies.

PDPGuy:
Decency laws are generally limited to public places like the streets or the beach. Private businesses can enforce whatever dress code they so desire.
My overall point is that people shouldn't be judged on what they wear, neither should one's respect be earned by how a woman dresses.

It will. The way you dress is the way you'll be addressed. It can't change even if peoples sense of modesty and decency is greatly reducing.

DaveHert:
You can choose to be whatever you want on social media. Thank God you said I shouldn't take your words for it. You have a small mind, and you need to look into the world with an open mind.

People are no longer defined by how they dress. Africans do that shït, with all your cultural and religious upright you still can't be measured with the liberal societies.

Hahaha, yea well not believing something doesn't mean they aren't true right? But anyways if being against something wrong and bad is equivalent to me having a small mind the again, I accept the label with pride.

People will always be defined by how they dress whether it is actually right conclusion or not. Yes, I am an African and proud of that fact. I ain't gonna borrow anyone's culture all in the name of civilization especially if it is wrong and bad.

No matter what societies allow these days, it can't change a wrong to right. Shallow mind speaking.

Aderola15:
The way you reason at times could be funny, Bumbae. Saw your comment on another thread this morning, you were so quick to pull the "Naija mentality" thing and now you talking of Op not knowing summer exists in some countries... What does that have to do with the topic? Have seen few of your pictures on here that were greatly admired, liked 1 or 2 myself. Did you expose em boobz and thighs? Nope and you still slayed those pictures... So why should you expose your body to get approval from dudes when you could dress responsibly and still turn heads.



Op, on no account should you justify that barbaric act called rape tho...

Thank you, and no, I never justified rape nor do I condone it.

PDPGuy:
Of course, you wouldn't wear those to the office or school, or bank.
But it's legal to wear such on the streets.

Why aren't they allowed in schools, offices or banks but yet are allowed on the streets? Remember, anything goes on the street that isn't even close to decent so that point isn't valid.

SirMichael1:

Majority? You refuse to take corrections yet again. These are your personal findings. You didn't conduct a wide range of research from different part of the country and you dare say majority?!

A girl walks in rags doesn't make her to be disrespected. It's her choice. Clothings and adornments isn't a yardstick for measuring decency or chivalry. Celebs wears crazy attires, don't they.

This is 2017. Everybody is bad but not everyone is corrupt

So, how was jamb?

You are the one misunderstanding me. Or are you defending indecent dressings? My post has nothing to do with the number of people who are actually decent in their act or not but those that are decent in their mode of dressing.

And yes, her choice of clothing could be a reason for her to be disrespected that's the honest truth. Again I grew up with guys that are notorious for disrespecting girls and they don't hold back their reasons for it which usually has to do with their mode of dressing which they always feel is an invitation.

If celebrities wear indecent clothes does that make is good and acceptable? Aren't they part of the reason?

Not everybody is bad and not everybody is corrupt.

I actually have no business with jamb anymore unless the day my kids would want to write theirs.

PDPGuy:
Depending upon the jurisdiction, clothing that covers the genital areas and the n-i-p-p-l-e-s (for women) are generally acceptable.

So are bum shorts and bras acceptable?

Maxi112:
which youth? our finished youth

the difference between you and them is "religion" I don't understand what you meant by indecent dressing.... do you expect a lady to swim on gown or club /party with blouses? if you're living a boring life, it's not their fault ni.

bolded... nobody will blow your trumpet for you, continue!

I don't judge people based on their dressing; nah!

Really. You think girls of my religion don't dress indecently?

Who's even talking about religion?

I hope you won't encourage your child to wear rags so that she won't live a boring life if being decent means being boring to you. On second thoughts, if that's what you want for her, go ahead.

SirMichael1:
Doesn't make me happy, only made feel sad for you. You know little to nothing about your kind(ladies)

You come over here to the north and see people with ijabs committing immorality late at night. They come out in the middle of the night naked putting on only the ijab and make way to their rendezvous.

The job becomes easier for the guy who doesn't need to remove any blouse or leggings. Just slips in freely and touch live boobs without much strain.

You're still naive and that's why you say decency is a yardstick for measuring the respect women get from men.

Travel wide and experience life. Don't be too quick to say your personal findings.

Hahaha, very funny.

First of all, should I pardon and accept what majority do even if its actually wrong?

Who said anything about hijabs and rendezvous, read my post again and see what it said. It didn't said all those who wear hijab and dress modestly are not terrible deep down but that some women are the reasons guys disrespect them due to their mode of dressing. This is where first impression comes in.

DaveHert:
I was just reading comments but from the few who've commented so far one could clearly tell of how "Shallow" some of you are on this forum according to Dimple. So because a girl chose to wear a mini shirt or cleavage baring outfit it then means she should be used and dumped or she's showing herself as a sex object?. Let me tell you...it's not about the dressing but the personality of who's on the dress that either keeps or chases away a man. A girl can be well covered but nothing to write home about while another can be ill dressed but knows her onion. Take Mercy Johnson for example, when she was single one could assume she's a whöre if we go by her she dresses but she's the one other actresses are looking up to. Omotola was at some point on indecent dress, if you've seen her music video you could tell, she does twerk on life TV but one can't just wake up to conclude a lady who twerks is a hoe or should be used and dumped.

Actually, most of those who claim to be decent on social media are the real whòres. All that decency preaching is to get attracted to some so called decent guys who would use and dump them. I hope you're a virgin too?, @op.

And if I am a virgin and believe virginity should be kept till after marriage? Shallow, old school and uncivilized right? But hey, don't take my word for it.

PDPGuy:
Slut-shaming won't change anything. A woman has the right to wear whatever she wants, in public, so long as her outfit doesn't violate public decency laws.

A woman dressed in a short, black dress deserves equal respect as the one who is dressed in iro and buba.

Thanks for your opinion, its now left for you to define those dressings that won't biolate the public decency laws.

SirMichael1:
I can bet that a 19 year old is behind this handle. You're still too young to differentiate your left from your right

Okay, if that's what will make you happy.

But seriously, are you trying to tell me that a 19 year old can't differentiate between right and wrong? So in other words they shouldn't be judged for any crime they commit?

plainbibletruth:
Note the following:
1. That portion of the quran DID NOT say "it looks like". It clearly says "he reached the place where the sun sets".
2. Also that "he found it going down into".
3. In addition "and found by it a people"
4. By the way, the quran is supposed to be perfectly CLEAR, isn't it?
5. So it shouldn't take posting photos of sunset to explain it. Those who initially read it had no photos, did they?

Let me ask you another question: how did Mohamed interpret that portion of the quran?

God, what will it take for you people to keep away their ignorance?

1. There are some things common sense will tell you is not literal. If I wanted to describe something like that to people with little understanding that's how I'll put it for them to understand just as i will tell people that the water found far down a road is a mirage.

2. Yes, he found it going down into the sea, which was what the sun was doing in that picture even though it wasn't literarily.

3. Yes it said found by it a people, which meant by the water not by the sun. Or don't tell me you thought it was by then sun..

4. Yes, the Quran is clear to those literate enough to understand it not those who are only seeking for errors without any understanding of it.

5. The way I interpreted it is the real meaning, nothing else. That's the way it was revealed to him and that's the way he put it and interpreted it. If you can't understand it, don't blame anyone. It's just like not understanding a medical statement then saying there's an error with it.

Dimples182:
A mad person is mad because of their mental health and not because of the way they dress. A prostitute is a prostitute because she sells her body for money and not because of what she wears. Look I can't explain everything to you. Your points are ignorant and small minded. I don't judge people by the way they look. What you call "Indecent" is just clothes, fashion, style and choice to me.

Hahaha, small mind indeed. Yes, the actual reason a mad person is said to be made is because of their mental health, but how will you know a person is mentally unstable? Because of their behaviours and mode of dressing.

What's the first thing among the above people will notice? Their mode of dressing. It is only after further queries that you can be certain that that person isn't really mad. So what are you trying to tell me?

How do most prostitutes advertise themselves? What's the first thing that will tell their costumers that they are really prostitutes? They definitely don't paste it on their foreheads for quick identification. In every profession there's a mode of dressing attached to it. A doctor is not a doctor because he wears lab coat and holds a stethoscope but because he treats people but what will be your thought after seeing someone dressed like that?

Keep defending it though, it's your choice.

My points aren't ignorant, you are just being sentimental about it..oops, but if being against some bad makes me ignorant the I carry the label with pride.

Dimples182:
Come out your village every now and again and expose yourself to the world. I am sorry you live in a society that thinks so low of women. Men and women wear shorts, swimwear, short dresses etc and nobody judges them. You do not become a prostitute by what you wear rather what you do. If a man approaches a woman wearing short clothes and he propositions her then he is the dirty fvcker and he should be taken off the streets. I won't entertain your ignorance anymore.

You are being sentimental and biased, why judge the person who dressed in rags and looked unkept as a madman and not the sane person that had other means yet decided to dress like a madman? They way you dress is the way you'll be addressed so don't shift all the blame on the person who mistakes someone for being a hooker because she dressed the part.

What's even the reason behind them dressing that way?

Are you actually excusing indecent dressing by calling it civilization?

I think they reason you are attacking me so much is because you don't see anything wrong with dressing indecently, if so, I definitely can't change your mind about it. But bottom line is, walking around in rags and half naked is not civilization, that is backwardness because that's how we started.

People believe only prostitutes and people without shame or self respect walk around half naked and are proud of it and the truth is they have a point.

Peacefullove:
Next time be calm before you give replies, You went overboard . my last sentence says " , the OP now said can we blame the guy if he only use and dump such a girl since what attract him in the first place is that body she exposed with her short skirt "

its more of a question, which I expect you to state your views on . I never said I support men using and dumping women neither do I support ladies seducing men with their clothes . For every action, there is a corresponding consequence
... this explains why Using and dumping is often common in relation to ladies who always expose their flesh for predators .

the point is , Some women are the reasons guys disrespect them . Which is mostly related with the way they dress portraying themselves as sex objects

Thank you very much, you get my point which shows you aren't being sentimental.

Dimples182:
Her body is none of your damn business! You can not say that she deserves to be hurt and cheated because she dressed differently. Get off your high horse and STFU. Men are attacking us and you jump on board and condone women being mistreated because of what they wear. You self righteous bigot! You promote the rape culture. What you are saying is if women dont do as they are told or expected to do then they deserve to be mistreated. You think women who don't wear mini skirts and dresses don't get dumped and hurt broken? I won't reply you again because I can't reason with morons!

I see I've hit a sore spot.

Who said anything about deserving? I said they are the reason not whether they deserve it or not.

The truth might be bitter but it remains the truth, call me what you like. I don't promote rape culture neither did I talk about rape. There are different ways to be disrespected and I wasn't referring to rape.

I am a woman and I'd never encourage or excuse rape. When you dress indecently and a guys picks you up asking you your price per day, what's that called? Disrespect right? Did he actually meant it as disrespect or was it responding to the message he thought you were sending by going around half naked.

Are you actually excusing indecent dressing by calling it civilization?

People believe only prostitutes and people without shame or self respect walk around half naked and are proud of it and the truth is they have a point.

Peacefullove:
Next time be calm before you give replies, You went overboard . my last sentence says " , the OP now said can we blame the guy if he only use and dump such a girl since what attract him in the first place is that body she exposed with her short skirt "

its more of a question, which I expect you to state your views on . I never said I support men using and dumping women neither do I support ladies seducing men with their clothes . For every action, there is a corresponding consequence
... this explains why Using and dumping is often common in relation to ladies who always expose their flesh for predators .

the point is , Some women are the reasons guys disrespect them . Which is mostly related with the way they dress portraying themselves as sex objects

Thank you very much, you get my point which shows you aren't being sentimental.

plainbibletruth:
I presented a proof of 'fault' in the quran to your partner.
Here it is again:
A case in point – an example:
Sura 18:83-86 claims the sun sets in a spring or pool of muddy water.
Does the sun set in a pool of muddy water?

Very funny. Seriously you people are amazing.

First of all we were talking about violence and war not errors but anyways let me enlighten you.

18:86 Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.

Have you ever lived near a sea or any pool of water in general? Have you ever seen sun setting in those areas? Let me attach a photo to make you see better but before that, that verse wasn't saying the sun fell into the water or any of that misconceptions but was explaining the pattern sun sets in some areas with water bodies.

What will you use in explaining the pattern of sun set in that photo? What does it look like?

lefulefu:
lol i get ur point sha.i wouldn't support a lady dressing up like a street hooker with all her tits and tinzs showing.but hey i don't find anything wrong in a lady wearing jeans .so the way i view indecent dress might be different from the way u view it.having said dat i won't insult my babe if she prefers wearing dem bum shorts or dose sexy nighties at home wen wit me.in short i had encourage dat cos babes on wrapper 24/7 dey tire me.

Lol, of course she's free to were anything she likes at home.

I'm not talking about ladies wearing jeans but those wearing rags and walking around half naked.

Maxi112:
emboldened... I don't understand, so dressing as you want, feel, like amount to be disrespected by you? your opinion though.

they might be calling them names like you termed it, but what's the diff btw you and them with this thread?

if we have freedom of expression, association, worship. why can't we have freedom of dressing? don't make it look as if ladies are the cause of their misery, certainly not.

There should be freedom of dressing as long as the mode of dressing is decent. We can't respect and encourage indecency for many reasons because it ends up spreading and corrupting the youth.

The difference between me and them is that I'm being judged for dressing decently which is absurd and they are being judged because they dress indecently which if you're being honest isn't right.

Everyone is free to choose but no one is free from the consequences of their choices.

benzics:
Good explanation there though, only if they were true... You see I get this feeling whenever am arguing with a Muslim, that they are probably practicing taqiyya with me, because they never run out of lies, and they can defend anything.

You keep claiming Mohammed fought in mecca for self defense, and you claim Islam became the main religion of mecca through Allah, well that's a big lie, go tell that to those who easily forget events.. Mecca was made Islamic after Mohammed launched his religious wars forcing unbelievers to convert or die (if they won't pay taxes), unbelievers had to convert, run, or pay taxes in fear for their lives, and you are here claiming "Allah" did it..

OK, you still hold the notion that Mohammed always fought in self defense, what about his Jerusalem evasion? Did the Jews come to mecca to kill islamists or was Jerusalem also Mohammed's land?

Muslims have always followed the instructions and lifestyle of Mohammed, the hijirah you keep talking about, isn't that the style of Muslims? Like how they take over any country they are allowed in..

Look at Iran, was Iran originally Islamic? Or did Allah make Iran Islamic??

One peculiar thing about Muslims is that they hold the notion "Islam will dominate the world", and the extreme ones will go to any limits, even suicide bombing themselves to see that that happens.. Just look at immigrants into London, who were pitied by the British government, they are now calling for sharia to be the order of the Land in London...

Islam is nothing but terrible!

Uthman, Osama, what about the Islamic leader that killed a writer for writing "the satanic verses" book, what about Muslims who went around killing people because Mohammed was displayed as a cartoon... That is how re.tarded Muslims can be, killing someone over a cartoon!!!!

If I should be the leader of any nation I'll see to it that the population of Muslims never gets much, because they have this notion.

When in few: We are the religion of peace, don't hate us.

When they are in moderate population: Sharia should be implemented.

When they are many: Islam or else...

If Islam is peaceful, why are it's followers violent?

Seriously, why do you guys keep turning in circles? Haven't I explained giving valid proofs from the Quran itself? It's left for you to bring your own proof from that same Quran to debunk it. It's all recorded.

Talking about history, where you there when it all happened? How are you so sure it's a lie? Because you hate Islam and don't care about the truth?

I don't see points arguing with you any more cause I can see you aren't interested in proofs or the truth. If you are tired of running in circles then maybe we can have a reasonable discussion. When I debate, I deal with facts and proofs not thoughts and opinions.

Keep hating but beware, hatred darkens the soul and blocks the heart.

lefulefu:
biko is it ur body ?
let we guys be the judge
no spoil market for us .wana keep on viewing dem ukwus .

Lol. Sorry for that but don't worry, I'm certain most won't heed to it share.

The funny things about you guys is that you compliment in their presence but abuse them behind their backs. I've witnessed lots of things like that cause I grew up with lots of guys around me.

Maxi112:
who are you to dictate choice of dressing to them?

you're obviously jealous of what you don't have, I'd keep reminding you that.

same way they don't interfere in your choice of dressing you should also learn to respect theirs.


I'm not trying to promote indecency, but the rational behind this thread is what I don't understand. haven't you had or seen where a modest dresser was being raped or harassed?

Hahaha, something I don't have? Lol, that's pretty funny. But hey, you can't judge what you've never seen right? On second thoughts, you are free to.

Sorry to say this but how can I respect people that don't respect their selves? And yes, people like that do judge people who dress decently calling them uncivilized. I'm surprised you don't know.

About your last statement, go back to my post and underline the word some women. I never said all those being harassed or disrespected are the cause.

Maxi112:
she is a Muslim, let her see things from another perspective.


what she term dressing half unclad can earn her husband.... there's is no rational behind this post, it's just a mindset.

Really? So you mean only Muslims dress modestly? Maybe you have a thing against Muslims, I don't know nor do I care.

Please go over my post again and point out the phrase or sentence that denotes religious mindset. Or do other religions encourage indecent dressings? There are many Christians I see who dress very decently, head coverings aside.

If you are taking it personal, sorry but the truth is always bitter.

Dimples182:
This is some country mindset

No, you should not judge people by what they wear, that's shallow. Because a woman wears a short dress or skirt does not mean she is less of a woman or human being.

The fact that this is coming from another woman is just sad.

Call it what you want, its your own opinion. Yes, I am indeed a woman so that's why I don't understand why some of my fellow sex would love exposing something that should be preserved and respected.

Sure it doesn't mean she's less human but seriously, is she actually showing her body the respect it deserves?

Maxi112:
emboldened.... you can choose to stay away from those kind of peeps so you don't hear their misery.


we all know you can't dress like them cause your religion forbids it, the only thing you could resort to is this thread.

let me ask you, how is men treating them?

please share!

Really? Is religion all you people can think of? Well to address that issue, I don't dress the way I dress just because my religion forbids indecent dressing but because I respect my body.

Being modest is not equivalent to being religious but having self respect.

Maxi112:
op go get a life... jealousy will do you no good. it's their life not yours.


mind your business please.

you can't buy expensive cloth is not their fault.

you can't dress like them isn't their fault.


your thread reeks of jealousy

Hahaha, jealousy my foot. I'm just sick and tired of those sort of girls whining and complaining about things they brought on their selves. Yes, they can dress the way they like as long as they keep their miseries to their selves.

Believe me, they have nothing I can be jealous of.

It might sound harsh but it's the truth.

The way some women dress these days I don't really blame guys for disrespecting or treating them as cheap, after all, the way you dress is the way you'll be addressed.

They dress themselves in rags, walking around unclad all in the name of civilization yet they keep complaining guys disrespect and treat them like a hooker. How do you expect to get a responsible guy when you yourself don't dress responsibly?

Stop blaming and criticizing guys for thinking you are cheap if you are one of those who walk around in rags cause they are only following the signal you are sending out to them.

The truth is always a hard pill to swallow but it still remains the truth.

This is so disgusting and stupid. What's wrong with these women set, walking around naked all in the name of civilization giving the rest of us a bad name. Later they'll start complaining guys disrespect them. Well news flash, if you don't disrespect yourself guy's won't disrespect you.

benzics:
Yes, the lies you keep getting fed with.. Mohammed was born in mecca, but was mecca originally an Islamic nation? You claim he fought in mecca in self defense, if he did, why was he then forcing people to embrace his religion or pay taxes or be killed?

What about uthman Dan fodio? Was his conquest Islamic or selfish? And what Uthman did was exactly what Mohammed did, and in your own understanding and reasoning, it's called "self defense"

You are very funny, seriously. But to enlighten you..

Mecca, just like any other part of the world had variates of religions then. It was through Muhammad pbuh who was born in mecca that God made Islam official, meaning it was Through him that Islam officially became a religion not just an act.

When he started preaching about Islam, some believed and some disbelieved even amongst his own family members just like Abraham's. For those who believed and began practicing Islam, began being picked on and aggressed by the non believers that some were even forced to change back due to fear. The ones who refused were killed and threatened. Even Muhammad was threatened and some plotted to kill h8m and his remaining followers, hence he had to leave his home and land and migrated to Medina (hijira).

God then gave them the go ahead to fight back and retaliate against their oppressors but not to transgress because transgression is a sin.

2:190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

He asked them to kill and drive those people away from the places they have driven them from, their lands, houses etc

191 And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

God told them to stop, if those who fight and oppress them stop their aggression

192 And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

And he warned them that there should be no aggression except against the oppressors.

193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

After then Muslims were allowed to practice and worship freely, which encouraged those that never practiced due to the fear of oppression from non believers. Islam fought many wars after then too that had to do with self-defense and treason.

I can go on and on posting verses to prove this but I know it'll just be waste of time. I can even post verses that commanded Muslims to protect disbelievers during war when they seek for it and they should deliver them to safety even if those disbelievers refuse to convert. But your notions and mentality can never be changed because you are too proud to see and accept the truth.

benzics:
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Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc). Oppressors or aggressors

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

It might be difficult for you to understand the first verse but I have made the place that shows self defense bold. Turn them out FROM WHERE THEY HAVE TURNED YOU OUT... With your understanding can you interpret that phrase?

And why don't youpeople like writing everything out?

191 And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

192 And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

If you are indeed literate, those verses should be easy to spot that it's for self-defense.

And this

3:151 We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.

If you had care to write it to the end you'll see that it was talking about their punishment on the day of judgement...

benzics:
So you mean when Mohammed evaded mecca, he was evading it in self defense? Or the time he evaded Jerusalem, he did so in self defense? Or is it when he tried evading Europe and failed... Or did uthman Dan fodio also fought the Holy war in self defense??

Go practice your taqiyya(holy lie) with someone who doesn't know history, Islam can not undergo reformation and that is why it needs to be erased from the planet earth or with time, it will be the one erasing us!

That shows your level of ignorance but please let me enlighten you.

You who knows the real history.....

Do you know that Muhammad was actually born and lived in mecca until the non believers aggressed and plotted to kill him and his followers which lead to his migration to Medina, termed hijirah?

After then, God ordered them to go and fight for their rights but not to transgress.

Q2:190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

191 And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah (aggression) is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

192 And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

But I'm sure you still won't accept it but no worries, I'm used to it.

Islam can't undergo reformation because we don't believe in adulteration and because we don't need it. That's why the Quran can't be changed like most holy books have been.

benzics:
Tell me, what proof is there of Islam being peaceful?

Isis killing unbelievers and throwing gays off roof, you guys will claim they are not real Muslims where in fact your "infallible" Quran ordered death to "infidels" and apostates...


The difference between a moderate Muslim and an extreme Muslim is that, the moderate Muslim wishes to see Islam dominate the world, and the extreme Muslim is actually working to see that Islam dominates the world...

Well can you please quote the verses that ordered the deaths of the infidels so well make step by step interpretation of it?

About Isis issue, haven't you heard about their Muslim victims? And don't tell me you haven't heard about bombs going off in mosques on Fridays during Jumuat prayer or during any prayer. If those called people are so called Muslims following the order of the Quran about killing infidels, I wonder if it also mentioned some where that infidels in did resided in the mosques during prayer times.

Quran 2:193 but remember that no hostility is allow except against the aggressors.