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Toks2008:
There is no issue with the paternity as that is clear but who should be the mum?

The lady that went through the stress of carrying a developing child for 9 months or the one that just provided that tiny egg...

It's like you don't really want an answer cause you are quoting those that are giving you answers I think you don't really want to hear. I might be wrong but I feel you are involved in the issue.

Truly, the woman who carried the baby nurtured it and went thrthroughthe pain of giving birth to the baby but since she had already given her word even it isn't written, she should keep it. The one with the egg deserves to keep the baby because before the whole thing, they already had an agreement and not forgetting the baby carries the DNA of the egg donor.

To the woman who carried it, tough luck. Before you decided to accept someone else's sperm and egg to be fertilized and carried by you, didn't you know there was a possibility that you will grow attached to the baby? Didn't you know all about being a surrogate mother? You gave your word and had an agreement with the egg donor and you should keep it no matter what, even if there is no contract to prove it. You made a choice, now it's time to face the consequences.

Its a pity that one can't scroll through a page without noticing some set of immature ignorant people. Hypocrites everywhere. It's like some are just waiting to hear a terrible news so that they'll start pointing fingers and feel fulfilled. How demeaning and horrible.

You can't go a single day on nairaland without seeing tribal or religious insults being hurled around and its those same people who hurl those insults and hate around that claim to be good and religious. If that isn't the true definition of hypocrisy I don't know what is.

This barbaric behaviours is even worse than the racism we fault the whites for. Within the same race, the hatred shown towards one another just because of traditional differences is something we should all be ashamed of cause definitely had you been the whites, you would have done worse to those you feel are beneath you.

One thing we should all bear in mind is that no assembly is free from bad seeds irrespective of what the assembly is about whether religious, tribal, race, region etc. Just as a so called Alfa was caught, a so called pastor had been caught for a similar crime, and just as a Yoruba was caught, a Hausa, Igbo and so on had been caught in the past for the same crime.

It will be best if all these immaturity, hypocritical comments and display of ignorance are put to a stop. But seriously, I doubt if it will ever stop.

ilynem:
Sorry, but please can you send this post again, but with the Surah chapters in numbers I understand (I love to crosscheck) and without the Arabic thingy. I can't read it, so there is not point. Thank you. But if you say this is the last time you will reply me (thought we were having a discussion. Meant no offense), then there is no point because even my reply will be ignored. Thank you.

I am not stopping you from posting but as I said I won't reply again, this is just an exception thought, I'll give you the chapter so you can crosscheck them.

Al-Monafiqoon is chapter 63

Al-Baqara is chapter 2

At-Taubah is chapter 9

All the surahs I posted are on top of the verses, check them for confirmation.

plainbibletruth:
You agree there is difference between disbelievers and hypocrites.

You understand that hypocrites are those who claim to be believers but are in disguise I.e. they pretend and therefore behave and DO THINGS as if they are true believers but perhaps not wholeheartedly.

Why then is it difficult for you to see that a Moslem who believes he is following Islam correctly can see another Moslem who does not agree with his beliefs about Islam as a hypocrite?

Can a Sunni Moslem view the Shia Moslem as a hypocrite?

Can he then behave toward him with what he considers appropriate quranic injunctions?

This is my last reply to you.

Seriously, haven't you been reading the Quranic verses I sent to you about who hypocrites are?

First of all let me help you with the meaning of hypocrite.

Hypocrite is a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

Hope you got the above meaning. Then please read the following to know more about those the Quran view as hypocrites.

This chapter is called THE HYPOCRITES.


Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 1:
إِذَا جَاءَكَ الْمُنَافِقُونَ قَالُوا نَشْهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُ وَاللَّهُ يَشْهَدُ إِنَّ الْمُنَافِقِينَ لَكَاذِبُونَ

WHEN THE HYPOCRITES come unto thee, they say, "We bear witness that thou art indeed God's Apostle!" But God knows that thou art truly His Apostle; and He bears witness that the hypocrites are indeed false [in their declaration of faith].

Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 2:
اتَّخَذُوا أَيْمَانَهُمْ جُنَّةً فَصَدُّوا عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ إِنَّهُمْ سَاءَ مَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ

They have made their oaths a cover [for their falseness], and thus they turn others away from the Path of God. Evil indeed is all that they are wont to do:


Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 3:
ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ آمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا فَطُبِعَ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ فَهُمْ لَا يَفْقَهُونَ

this, because [they profess that] they have attained to faith, whereas [inwardly] they deny the truth - and so, a seal has been set on their hearts so that they can no longer understand [what is true and what false].

Contrary to who or what you think hypocrites referred to in the Quran, the above chapter has clearified it. Hypocrites are those who claim to believe yet don't really believe but pretend in order to spy and turn people away from the religion. They don't pray nor do they really love the religion, they made false declaration of faith just to spread lies and cause discord. Read the below verses too.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 47:
لَوْ خَرَجُوا فِيكُم مَّا زَادُوكُمْ إِلَّا خَبَالًا وَلَأَوْضَعُوا خِلَالَكُمْ يَبْغُونَكُمُ الْفِتْنَةَ وَفِيكُمْ سَمَّاعُونَ لَهُمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِالظَّالِمِينَ

Had these [hypocrites] set out with_ you, [O believers,] they would have added nothing to you save the evil of corruption, and would surely have scurried to and fro in your midst, seeking to stir up discord among you, seeing that there are in your midst such as would have lent them ear: but God has full knowledge of the evildoers.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 48:
لَقَدِ ابْتَغَوُا الْفِتْنَةَ مِن قَبْلُ وَقَلَّبُوا لَكَ الْأُمُورَ حَتَّىٰ جَاءَ الْحَقُّ وَظَهَرَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ وَهُمْ كَارِهُونَ

Indeed, even before this time have they tried to stir up discord and devised all manner of plots against thee, [O Prophet,] until the truth was revealed and God's will became manifest, however hateful this may have been to them.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 49:
وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَقُولُ ائْذَن لِّي وَلَا تَفْتِنِّي أَلَا فِي الْفِتْنَةِ سَقَطُوا وَإِنَّ جَهَنَّمَ لَمُحِيطَةٌ بِالْكَافِرِينَ

And among them there was [many a one] who said," Grant me permission [to remain at home], and do not put me to too hard a test!" Oh, verily, [by making such a request] they had [already failed in their test and] succumbed to a temptation to evil: and, behold, hell will indeed encompass all who refuse to acknowledge the truth!

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 50:
إِن تُصِبْكَ حَسَنَةٌ تَسُؤْهُمْ وَإِن تُصِبْكَ مُصِيبَةٌ يَقُولُوا قَدْ أَخَذْنَا أَمْرَنَا مِن قَبْلُ وَيَتَوَلَّوا وَّهُمْ فَرِحُونَ

Should good fortune alight on thee, [O Prophet,] it will grieve them; and should misfortune befall thee, they will say [to themselves], "We have already taken our precautions beforehand!" - and will turn away, and will rejoice. see this verse.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 51:
قُل لَّن يُصِيبَنَا إِلَّا مَا كَتَبَ اللَّهُ لَنَا هُوَ مَوْلَانَا وَعَلَى اللَّهِ فَلْيَتَوَكَّلِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ

Say: "Never can anything befall us save what God has decreed! He is our Lord Supreme; and in God let the believers place their trust!"


Surah At-Taubah, Verse 52:
قُلْ هَلْ تَرَبَّصُونَ بِنَا إِلَّا إِحْدَى الْحُسْنَيَيْنِ وَنَحْنُ نَتَرَبَّصُ بِكُمْ أَن يُصِيبَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِعَذَابٍ مِّنْ عِندِهِ أَوْ بِأَيْدِينَا فَتَرَبَّصُوا إِنَّا مَعَكُم مُّتَرَبِّصُونَ

Say: "Are you, perchance, hopefully waiting for something [bad] to happen to us-[the while nothing can happen to us] save one of the two best things? But as far as you are concerned, we are hopefully waiting for God to inflict chastisement upon you, [either] from Himself or by our hands! Wait, then, hopefully; behold, we shall hopefully wait with you!"

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 53:
قُلْ أَنفِقُوا طَوْعًا أَوْ كَرْهًا لَّن يُتَقَبَّلَ مِنكُمْ إِنَّكُمْ كُنتُمْ قَوْمًا فَاسِقِينَ

Say: "You may spend [anything], willingly-or unwillingly, [pretending that you do it for the sake of God:] it shall never be accepted from you -for, verily, you are people bent on iniquity!"

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 54:
وَمَا مَنَعَهُمْ أَن تُقْبَلَ مِنْهُمْ نَفَقَاتُهُمْ إِلَّا أَنَّهُمْ كَفَرُوا بِاللَّهِ وَبِرَسُولِهِ وَلَا يَأْتُونَ الصَّلَاةَ إِلَّا وَهُمْ كُسَالَىٰ وَلَا يُنفِقُونَ إِلَّا وَهُمْ كَارِهُونَ

For, only this prevents their spending from being accepted from them: they are bent on refusing to acknowledge God and His Apostle, and never pray without reluctance, and never spend [on righteous causes] without resentment.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 55:
فَلَا تُعْجِبْكَ أَمْوَالُهُمْ وَلَا أَوْلَادُهُمْ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُعَذِّبَهُم بِهَا فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَتَزْهَقَ أَنفُسُهُمْ وَهُمْ كَافِرُونَ

Let not, then, their worldly goods or [the happiness which they may derive from] their children excite thy admiration: God but wants to chastise them by these means in this worldly life, and [to cause] their souls to depart while they are [still] denying the truth.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 56:
وَيَحْلِفُونَ بِاللَّهِ إِنَّهُمْ لَمِنكُمْ وَمَا هُم مِّنكُمْ وَلَٰكِنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ يَفْرَقُونَ

And they swear by God that they do indeed belong to you -the while they do not belong to you , but are [only] people ridden by fear:

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 57:
لَوْ يَجِدُونَ مَلْجَأً أَوْ مَغَارَاتٍ أَوْ مُدَّخَلًا لَّوَلَّوْا إِلَيْهِ وَهُمْ يَجْمَحُونَ

if they could but find a place of refuge, or any cavern, or a crevice [in the earth], they would turn towards it in headlong haste.

So to answer your question if Sunnis can't see shias as hypocrites. Not they can't, neither are any of them hypocrites because of the following
1. They all Muslims
2. They all use the same Quran.
3. They all accept and follow the five pillars of Islam and believe in the articles of faith.
4. They are not from different religion but from different secs.
5. .It is only when a sunni claims to change to shia just to spy on them and deceive people and turn them away from the sec, does not really love or believe in the shia sec, tries to turn the shias against each other. That's what can be viewed as hypocrisy. Again go back to the meaning. Beware, this is just an instance.

So tell me, how does people praying in the mosques during prayer times or jummuat period take the label of the above? Do you even know that people from different secs pray in the same mosques?

ilynem:
Err...Yes! Because the terrorists believe that if you were a true Muslim, you will take up arms and fight the non Muslims till they pay the Jizya with willing submission or turn into Muslims. If you were not a hypocrite, you will fight!
The message is clear. A hypocrite is one who claims to believe in Allah and his messages but doesn't act accordingly. Do not be friends with non Muslims. You have Muslim friends. Fight the unbelievers wherever you find them. You don't fight. Muhammad had the plan to chase all non Muslims out of the Arabia peninsula. You follow him don't you? How many non Muslims have you chased out your land??
If I claim to be a Christian and I don't follow the teachings and life of Christ, what does that make me? A hypocrite.
Surah 9:73: Strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be harsh against them, their abode is Hell.
Notice the use of the word "and"?? It means the disbelievers are not the hypocrites. If you are a Muslim and you don't follow the instructions of the prophet to the latter, am sorry my sister! You are a hypocrite and that's why Boko boys will be after you too.

This is going to be my last reply to you cause I'm sure, as that guy said, this is all just a waste of time.

Lol, seriously your comment had me laughing. It didn't say you just chase people out of your land but that you should chase them out from where they have chased you, that was the order and to answe that, I haven't chased anyone out of my land because they haven't chased me.


Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 191:
وَاقْتُلُوهُمْ حَيْثُ ثَقِفْتُمُوهُمْ وَأَخْرِجُوهُم مِّنْ حَيْثُ أَخْرَجُوكُمْ وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ وَلَا تُقَاتِلُوهُمْ عِندَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ حَتَّىٰ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِيهِ فَإِن قَاتَلُوكُمْ فَاقْتُلُوهُمْ كَذَٰلِكَ جَزَاءُ الْكَافِرِينَ

And slay them wherever you may come upon them, and drive them away from wherever they drove you away - for oppression is even worse than killing. And fight not against them near the Inviolable House of Worship unless they fight against you there first; but if they fight against you, slay them: such shall be the recompense of those who deny the truth.

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 192:
فَإِنِ انتَهَوْا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

But if they desist-behold, God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 193:
وَقَاتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّىٰ لَا تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ وَيَكُونَ الدِّينُ لِلَّهِ فَإِنِ انتَهَوْا فَلَا عُدْوَانَ إِلَّا عَلَى الظَّالِمِينَ

Hence, fight against them until there is no more oppression and all worship is devoted to God alone; but if they desist, then all hostility shall cease, save against those who [wilfully] oppress.

Please go over the verses slowly and again, correct your misconceptions.

And in the below surah, the reason they were commanded to fight in the first place is because the disbelievers broke their treaties and attacked them. Go over the surah from the beginning so you can stop jumping into conclusions.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 12:
وَإِن نَّكَثُوا أَيْمَانَهُم مِّن بَعْدِ عَهْدِهِمْ وَطَعَنُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ فَقَاتِلُوا أَئِمَّةَ الْكُفْرِ إِنَّهُمْ لَا أَيْمَانَ لَهُمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَنتَهُونَ

But if they break their solemn pledges after having concluded a covenant, and revile your religion, then fight against these archetypes of faithlessness who, behold, have no [regard for their own] pledges, so that they might desist [from aggression].

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 13:
أَلَا تُقَاتِلُونَ قَوْمًا نَّكَثُوا أَيْمَانَهُمْ وَهَمُّوا بِإِخْرَاجِ الرَّسُولِ وَهُم بَدَءُوكُمْ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ أَتَخْشَوْنَهُمْ فَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَن تَخْشَوْهُ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ

Would you, perchance, fail to fight against people who have broken their solemn pledges, and have done all that they could to drive the Apostle away, and have been first to attack you? Do you hold them in awe? Nay, it is God alone of whom you ought to stand in awe, if you are [truly] believers!


Yes, there is difference between disbelievers and hypocrites. Hypocrites are those who claim to be believers but are really disbelievers in disguise, they plot against the prophet and drive people away from the religion, pay attention and please go over those verses I posted again and you will note the differences.

Demmzy15:
As Salam Alaikum sis, I'll advise you to leave this people only. Nothing you'll tell them will be sufficient, believe me, I've done this years ago.

Stop being apologetic and state the facts, their religion is worse 10 times. So let voko'g take care of the issue himself. If a real discussion were to start, you'll see all of them fleeing because they're all cowards!

Wa alaika salaam. You are right. Thanks for the advise.

ilynem:
Yup! I have wondered. But sir, there is a death penalty in Islam for adultery and blasphemy. So YES! Muslims can kill other Muslims who do not obey the laws of Islam. For instance, Aisha (Muhammad's favourite wife) was a true Muslim. Ali the fourth Caliph was a true Muslim. These two knew Muhammad personally. And yet they sent armies against each other. So there you have Muslim killing Muslim. So a true Muslim might not kill a true Muslim but what about those that are not "true" Muslims? Or those that don't live right? Jihadists believe moderate Muslims are not true Muslims because they are not taking up arms against non muslims when the Koran tells them to Strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be harsh against them, their abode is Hell (Koran 9:73).
And oh! That's the word I was looking for! "Hypocrites".
Hypocrites in Islam are those who say they believe but act like they don't. So they are " Muslims" but not "True Muslims". A hypocrite in Islam can be recognized by a reluctance to follow Sharia, fear of death (Koran 9:56), RELUCTANCE TO FIGHT (Koran 9:44-45) and FRIENDSHIP TOWARDS NON MUSLIMS (Koran 9:67).
Wanted to go on, but I guess u have gotten point.

Please read and study these verses carefully and correct the above misconceptions.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 47:
لَوْ خَرَجُوا فِيكُم مَّا زَادُوكُمْ إِلَّا خَبَالًا وَلَأَوْضَعُوا خِلَالَكُمْ يَبْغُونَكُمُ الْفِتْنَةَ وَفِيكُمْ سَمَّاعُونَ لَهُمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِالظَّالِمِينَ

Had these [hypocrites] set out with_ you, [O believers,] they would have added nothing to you save the evil of corruption, and would surely have scurried to and fro in your midst, seeking to stir up discord among you, seeing that there are in your midst such as would have lent them ear: but God has full knowledge of the evildoers.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 48:
لَقَدِ ابْتَغَوُا الْفِتْنَةَ مِن قَبْلُ وَقَلَّبُوا لَكَ الْأُمُورَ حَتَّىٰ جَاءَ الْحَقُّ وَظَهَرَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ وَهُمْ كَارِهُونَ

Indeed, even before this time have they tried to stir up discord and devised all manner of plots against thee, [O Prophet,] until the truth was revealed and God's will became manifest, however hateful this may have been to them.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 49:
وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَقُولُ ائْذَن لِّي وَلَا تَفْتِنِّي أَلَا فِي الْفِتْنَةِ سَقَطُوا وَإِنَّ جَهَنَّمَ لَمُحِيطَةٌ بِالْكَافِرِينَ

And among them there was [many a one] who said," Grant me permission [to remain at home], and do not put me to too hard a test!" Oh, verily, [by making such a request] they had [already failed in their test and] succumbed to a temptation to evil: and, behold, hell will indeed encompass all who refuse to acknowledge the truth!

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 50:
إِن تُصِبْكَ حَسَنَةٌ تَسُؤْهُمْ وَإِن تُصِبْكَ مُصِيبَةٌ يَقُولُوا قَدْ أَخَذْنَا أَمْرَنَا مِن قَبْلُ وَيَتَوَلَّوا وَّهُمْ فَرِحُونَ

Should good fortune alight on thee, [O Prophet,] it will grieve them; and should misfortune befall thee, they will say [to themselves], "We have already taken our precautions beforehand!" - and will turn away, and will rejoice.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 51:
قُل لَّن يُصِيبَنَا إِلَّا مَا كَتَبَ اللَّهُ لَنَا هُوَ مَوْلَانَا وَعَلَى اللَّهِ فَلْيَتَوَكَّلِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ

Say: "Never can anything befall us save what God has decreed! He is our Lord Supreme; and in God let the believers place their trust!"


Surah At-Taubah, Verse 52:
قُلْ هَلْ تَرَبَّصُونَ بِنَا إِلَّا إِحْدَى الْحُسْنَيَيْنِ وَنَحْنُ نَتَرَبَّصُ بِكُمْ أَن يُصِيبَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِعَذَابٍ مِّنْ عِندِهِ أَوْ بِأَيْدِينَا فَتَرَبَّصُوا إِنَّا مَعَكُم مُّتَرَبِّصُونَ

Say: "Are you, perchance, hopefully waiting for something [bad] to happen to us-[the while nothing can happen to us] save one of the two best things? But as far as you are concerned, we are hopefully waiting for God to inflict chastisement upon you, [either] from Himself or by our hands! Wait, then, hopefully; behold, we shall hopefully wait with you!"

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 53:
قُلْ أَنفِقُوا طَوْعًا أَوْ كَرْهًا لَّن يُتَقَبَّلَ مِنكُمْ إِنَّكُمْ كُنتُمْ قَوْمًا فَاسِقِينَ

Say: "You may spend [anything], willingly-or unwillingly, [pretending that you do it for the sake of God:] it shall never be accepted from you -for, verily, you are people bent on iniquity!"

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 54:
وَمَا مَنَعَهُمْ أَن تُقْبَلَ مِنْهُمْ نَفَقَاتُهُمْ إِلَّا أَنَّهُمْ كَفَرُوا بِاللَّهِ وَبِرَسُولِهِ وَلَا يَأْتُونَ الصَّلَاةَ إِلَّا وَهُمْ كُسَالَىٰ وَلَا يُنفِقُونَ إِلَّا وَهُمْ كَارِهُونَ

For, only this prevents their spending from being accepted from them: they are bent on refusing to acknowledge God and His Apostle, and never pray without reluctance, and never spend [on righteous causes] without resentment.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 55:
فَلَا تُعْجِبْكَ أَمْوَالُهُمْ وَلَا أَوْلَادُهُمْ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُعَذِّبَهُم بِهَا فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَتَزْهَقَ أَنفُسُهُمْ وَهُمْ كَافِرُونَ

Let not, then, their worldly goods or [the happiness which they may derive from] their children excite thy admiration: God but wants to chastise them by these means in this worldly life, and [to cause] their souls to depart while they are [still] denying the truth.


Surah At-Taubah, Verse 56:
وَيَحْلِفُونَ بِاللَّهِ إِنَّهُمْ لَمِنكُمْ وَمَا هُم مِّنكُمْ وَلَٰكِنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ يَفْرَقُونَ

And they swear by God that they do indeed belong to you -the while they do not belong to you, but are [only] people ridden by fear:

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 57:
لَوْ يَجِدُونَ مَلْجَأً أَوْ مَغَارَاتٍ أَوْ مُدَّخَلًا لَّوَلَّوْا إِلَيْهِ وَهُمْ يَجْمَحُونَ

if they could but find a place of refuge, or any cavern, or a crevice [in the earth], they would turn towards it in headlong haste.

ilynem:
There! That is why Muslims kill their own.

Oh really? That's why? Because the rest are hypocrites? Do you even know those the word was applied in the Quran? Hahaha, very funny. Do you know there is an entire chapter based on hypocrites?

So according to you, those terrorist who are Islamic, kill and bomb Muslims in the mosques be cause the Quran referred to them as hypocrites? Let me clear your misconceptions then.

This chapter is called THE HYPOCRITES.


Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 1:
إِذَا جَاءَكَ الْمُنَافِقُونَ قَالُوا نَشْهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُ وَاللَّهُ يَشْهَدُ إِنَّ الْمُنَافِقِينَ لَكَاذِبُونَ

WHEN THE HYPOCRITES come unto thee, they say, "We bear witness that thou art indeed God's Apostle!" But God knows that thou art truly His Apostle; and He bears witness that the hypocrites are indeed false [in their declaration of faith].

Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 2:
اتَّخَذُوا أَيْمَانَهُمْ جُنَّةً فَصَدُّوا عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ إِنَّهُمْ سَاءَ مَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ

They have made their oaths a cover [for their falseness], and thus they turn others away from the Path of God. Evil indeed is all that they are wont to do:


Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 3:
ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ آمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا فَطُبِعَ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ فَهُمْ لَا يَفْقَهُونَ

this, because [they profess that] they have attained to faith, whereas [inwardly] they deny the truth - and so, a seal has been set on their hearts so that they can no longer understand [what is true and what false].

Contrary to who or what you think hypocrites referred to in the Quran, the above chapter has clearified it. Hypocrites are those who claim to believe yet don't really believe but pretend in order to spy and turn people away from the religion.

So does that fit into the idea you have of those being boomed in the mosques as hypocrites?

ilynem:
You obviously aren't vast in your own Koran..

Hahaha, if you think so.

adepeter26:
@bold, wasn't surprised at ya response. I already knew that would be the answer.....

Lol

Of course that's gonna be the answer because it is the correct answer. If you choose not to accept it then oh well, tough choice.

An2elect2:
I just tire for these people. See them justifying murder of human beings like them no wonder no one takes them seriously!

Abi oo. Their argument is that its a foetus not a baby that is being aborted as if the foetus too isn't human. It's just a selfish act by selfish people who wants an innocent life to pay for their sins all in the name of doing what's best for it.

adepeter26:
Buhahahahahaha, this one funny die.

Angways
Do you have concrete evidence for the above?

Oh sorry, you are one of those who don't believe God exist aren't you? No wonder you don't count abortion as a sin. You probably don't believe in heaven and andhell either.

As for the concrete evidence, look around you, they are everywhere. That's all I'm gonna say.

lepasharon:
Do you live in Africa?
If you do, you have ur head in the clouds!

How many ppl there care about a child that isn't theirs? How well are the adoption agencies funded?





You Sure? Are you against the death penalty?

Yes I live in Africa and please go over my comment again, I talked about people who are looking for children to adopt not agencies. Even in average communities, the number of barren women looking for kids to adopt are significant.

How many people care about kids that isn't theirs? Many, most of who can't have theirs.

Please people that are even thinking of those people who don't care for children that isn't theirs, do they care for their own? If not i don't see how they'll even think of killing it in their womb and be forming they are doing what's best for the baby. Like seriously.

Why have sex in the first place if you know you aren't ready of what the outcome might be?

Seriously I always wonder why people who are praying to have kids can't have it and those who don't even know how lucky they are to have one don't even count their blessings. When they finish iranu and damage their wombs they'll start blaming everyone but themselves for their misfortunes.

As a woman I don't know how a perspective mother could be heartless enough to take the life growing in her. Even if it still a fetus and not a baby yet, its still human and deserves to live. If all our mothers had done that to us cause of similar challenges where would we be today?

If you know you can't afford to bring a child into this life then put a stop to your sexual desires or go for family planning methods that will completely evict the possibility of conceiving. Instead of stooping to abortion better block your womb completely. That's better than putting a stop to a human life growing in you.

rhektor:
All these had been debunked in the past, I don't know why you people like to round a circle like parambulator. how many verses would you like me to post here that you've not read about before now?

No it hasn't been debunked but if you can't answer me its okay.

Verses that has to do with terrorism? I've read none so please do the honor of posting them here and enlightening us. You can post as many as you can since the verses are so abundant in the Quran.

Kathmandu:
What's my business with a religion that puts women down?



Take your Islam and go find your kind

Hahaha. In other words, you don't have answers to my questions. So sad to know.

rhektor:
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Probably you have not watched any of the Alqaeda videos, ISIS videos or Bokoharam videos. If you have you wouldn't come here and open a thread to disgrace yourself. Please when next you think of opening a thread be sure of what you want to talk (write) about. You should also be ready to present prove. Until then maybe you should take a bow

So your proof that the above terrorist are Islamic terrorist are because they say so? You believe liars and murderers and reject words stated by the clean ones then? Okay, I get you they are Islamic terrorists.

So now that we've established they are Islamic terrorists, causing mayhem and havoc all in the name of their god and to spread their religion all over the world can you please tell me why dropping bombs in mosques during prayer sections are part of their agenda? Or maybe they got info that infidels were the ones disguised as muslims praying there right?

Until some you start posting the verses that support this act of terrorism in the Quran you're are all spewing ignorance. Sorry.

Kathmandu:
Vokog. I don't try to investigate a charcoal to know if there is
White in its Blackness.

I don't do political correct nonsense so you can continue to talk your nonsense until you meet a BH member and you explain this gibberish to them.



Don't bother to reply me because i don't think i have time for all those delusions you spill there

Please just admit its the hate you have for Islam that is making you ignore all that has been said here.

Political correctness you say? So you do know he is correct, thanks for admitting it.

Book hara are Islamic terrorist right? Can you then tell me why mosques has been one of their target places?

As I've always said, when you hate something you go as far as accepting any lies fabricated against it and reject any truth about it if it affects the illusions you use in justifying your hatred against it.

Kathmandu:
You still ended up saying Nothing.


You call yourself an atheist and you are trying to prpve Islamic terrorist who are vast in the Quran and use it as a basis for their actions.



Are you more knowledgeable in Islam than Osama bin Laden the Muslim terrorist.



Go and engage yourself in a meaningful thing biko

Can you please help us with the vast terrorist verses in the Quran if not you are just displaying ignorance.

What goes around comes around girl, you better be ready for karma cause she never fails.

musawisdom:
Big thanks to Angel196. The main reason they were giving you stress in your explanation is only because you are a muslim.
And thank God, you are blessed with patience, knowledge and understanding. you made a good point throughout your explanation with them. you deserve a kudos.

Thank you, I appreciate your comment.

Probably to attract guys and to get cheap popularity.

CatfishBilly:
Do you prefer manslaughter to murder then?
Cos if it's earth, god is going to prison for a long time.
A woman can decide to have abortion, after all, she created the foetus.

Like I said God created, so He has a right to do whatever He wants with His creations.

Abeg no woman creates any foetus, she's only an instrument in the creation process.

Why would she create it only to go through the pain of killing with silly excuses? Besides she didn't even create it.

lepasharon:
Nah, cos a child isn't the same as a developing fetus

And that fetus has no life right?

lepasharon:
Yes Yes! I'm with her. She smart. Every baby is not a blessing, infact it becomes a curse when you dont have the resources to cater for it. A good mother wants the best for her child and a good mother will choose to terminate a pregnancy if she hasnt got the resources to give the child a good life.

Wow, it's so funny what people excuse these days.

How can you tell if the baby isn't a blessing? If you have no means to cater for it there are hundreds of women out there dying to have children why not give the baby up to those people for adoption?

Its just a selfish act by women then looking for excuses to cover it up like saying "its best for the baby" blah blah blah.

Every life has the right to live and anyone who takes that right away is a MURDERER!

CatfishBilly:
These people don't just get it.
Abortion can't be murder, if it is, miscarriage is also murder and more than a third of all pregnancies end with miscarriage, so, if babies come from god, then he is also the biggest abortionist/muderer.

Abortion is murder. It is a very conscious decision in terminating a human life.

Miscarriage isn't murder cause it wasn't a conscious action by the expectant mother and sometimes isn't even as a result of the murders action.

So what if there are many miscarriages induced by God? After all He's the one who created it and has the right to do anything He wants with it.

It's funny how people start turning bad practices into good ones.

Godmother:
At park007

That's d best remedy for hair growth ever. I used that in school, though I added Virgin hair frtilizer to mine and my hair grew like weed.

I'm planning to go back to that remedy, as soon as I can get that scarce weed to buy

Really? How does it work?

Gooooooaaaaal!!!!! CR7 for life!!!!

dacoza007:
d respectable places u listed ar inlaw's place children's school
what about girls in early 20's huh
a husband should tell his wifey if e's not satisfied with d way sh dresses not u....same goes for fiance

so anything goes for street....n u choose to call it indecency
nawa for u
just dress d way u want and stop complaining about aw some women ar disrespected .....so far u ar not related
it's called minding ur business

Hahaha, early age is not an excuse to dress indecently but hey, its their choice but what makes me mad are those sort of people blaming everyone but themselves for things they experience for dressing indecently.

The fact that you don't see this dress as indecent doesn't mean it isn't. Again no respectable woman would wear that to respectable places.

Again I'm not telling anyone how to dress but not to blame everyone but themselves for the disrespect they'll face for dressing indecently. You are always free to choose but you aren't gonna be free form the consequences of your choices, that's life.

Hala Madrid!!

Make us proud too and make haters cry...

Real Madrid for life.

CR7, don't disappoint..

dacoza007:
now u confusing me....you specifically said it ain't about religion
I might be an atheist you don't know
anyway, sh cant wear that to church and it's just like the men can't wear caps hats or ripped jeans or sag their trousers
in some really big churches, u can wear it and nobody cares , cos serving God is a personal thing
I can smell the religious setting u trying so hard to bring but keeps twisting wen caught

That's where you got it all wrong, it wasn't about religion but what was it you who said it seems I was a Muslim, as if its only Islam that preaches about indecent dressing..

If I was talking from my religion's point of view, tell me, would I see the other women as decent?

damn!!!....thats not indecency, that's hot
u b muslim true true , I just realized that,
I will choose d indecent!!!!! WTF

What was that supposed to mean? That only Muslims see that dressing as indecent? Give me a break for goodness sake.

Not even in our tradition would anyone see that as close to decent not Yoruba, not Igbo not hausa, well except traditions who allow their women to go topless. And no respectable lady would wear that to a respectable place, not her in laws house nor her children's school. As for the street anything goes.