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Shikena:
Let me join your interesting conversation:

1. Cash is king and it is all about numbers. The churches started with excellent prosperity messages learning from American pastorpreneurs. The traditional church standards when it comes to money was lowered e.g. people no longer have any issue using their position in government to steal as long as they donate handsomely to the church. The financial frontier expanded considerably beyond "widow's mite" from poor church goers. This eventually led to the churches having endless cash flow.

2. The formula is similar to MMM. A promise of prioritizing the church whenever there is some cash to spend with the hope of reaping thousands-fold in return. Tithing and the Book of Malachi helped a lot with the marketing strategy. Some pastors even formed exclusive partners club for church investors. Everyone smiles to the bank except for the floor members, who are kept in check by getting randomly picked for favors to generate more marketing testimonies and encourage commitment.

3. The church and the biggest looters of Nigerian funds, the senior civil servants, are huge partners in-crime (sorry, in progress). Who actually benefits between the partners and the Nigerian system is subject to debate. The churches have endless flow of cash and they build universities, estates, banks etc.

4. Political leadership is a totally different ballgame from church leadership. Quoting relevant Bible verses can easily solve most problems in the church, that won't fly with Kaduna or Kano political mafia and they have their hands firmly on the pot too.

Thank you so much for these insightful responses...! Quite enlightening.

I am not unmindful of the shortfalls and rot within the church system across the universe (not just Nigeria).

However, the leadership of the church are doing things differently... They have an approach to leadership that is worth emulating.

My point is... We can't keep excusing the shameful, stagnant and backward state of the nation due to the religious nature of citizens who are not directly in charge of leading the nation or handling the funds of the country.

KaLuCh:
India is overpopulated, that's the country's problem. They need as many as 1000 billion dollar companies to suffice. UK has fewer billion dollar companies than India yet light years ahead of them economically but that's really because of population. Same thing with China. Those two countries combined are 2 billion+ in population, hence those hundreds of billion dollar companies are not nearly enough and that's why they are everywhere.

People overestimate China. But China is really just a shop for cheap labour to USA and Europe. The country isn't as rich as NL Russian supporters wish, they dont understand the reason China plays 'now you see me and now you don't' when it comes to openly supporting their allies against USA and Europe. They know they are really a poor country if you factor in population and can't afford to upset this arrangement they have with the economic powers of the world.

America is a league on its own. Its laughable to see people putting Russia next to the USA. If Biden or the Dems had won the last election, US would have funded Ukraine for as long as it takes for Russia to completely run out of war funds.

This is absolutely true...!

helinues:
Conformity to societal norm is what gave the religions upper hand over the industrial sector.

The pastors have their big clients paying regularly, they can never advise those ones to be coming to 3 night vigils in a week, but those who are still struggling must be added to the number of congregation for the night vigils

People mostly remember God when they are in trouble, and as trouble is always around, the pastors are taking advantage of that

Great points Sir... But, you did not answer the questions posed.

The Church or churches in Nigeria are not isolated in their growth and success... This is actually universal.

In the centuries past, orthodox churches like Catholic were heavily influential in kingship and leadership... This is even Biblical!

The church is not growing merely by appealing to emotions... Nope! They are actually perfecting an agelong blueprint of welfarism and people development.

It's not all manipulative tactics with no actual substance.

If leaders in all parts of the country, starting from the President, actually start doing the needful in all sectors, don't you think the nation would be on a better trajectory?!!

Revealpanda:
I'm not a fan but this just proves you don't need education to make it in life.

One might ask... So why are those with good grades and 1st class not in power?
They aren't willing to do what this olodo is willing to do to climb to the top

There are 2 types and forms of Education... Formal and Informal.

You are wrong!

You need Education in at least one of the 2 forms to excel in life.

Ignorance is one of the key pointers towards failure in life.

You guys should stop this ignorance of calling Education and School a scam.

E8 in Government?!!

...No wonder!!!

helinues:
We have billion dollar worth of churches in Africa instead

It's only in Africa where churches are more than industrial factory

A couple of questions for you, my good sir:

1. How did the churches become far more successful than other sectors?!!

2. What is the formula of massive growth of these religious houses, and why are other sectors and businesses not learning from or copying them to make the nation greater than this?!!

3. Have the churches ever been partnered with or invited to steer the nation towards the same growth they are experiencing?!!

4. What is stopping the government from tailoring their leadership after the pattern of the churches?!!

India is 3rd in the world, yet their youths can't stay there...!

Just taking up space in advanced nations.

Sigh... How much would a standard hospital in Lagos or Abuja have charged to give the same treatment per day?!!

An average Nigerian leader and politician is an unrepentant waster of public funds.

When Nigerian politicians start acting like normal human beings, just know that they are desperately campaigning for office...!


These antics are laughably old and cliché by now.

SMH... On top election that the party can never win?!!


An average Nigerian politician is not very intelligent.

Okay... Nice one.

So, where did the key and critical appointments come from?!!

Starting from CBN, FIRS, Army staff, CJN, Finance, NNPC, EFCC, and Power ministry.


The person that created this thread thinks he is smart...!

Adewale1603:
those bleaching fools don't know that. If only they know the importance and benefits of melanin. Melanin that some people lack and looking for. People with albinism lacks that melanin, same as people with vitiligo, that is a complete destruction of that pigment. Is what those idio.ts don't value. Time and age will tell on them. They don't know that melanin serve as protection to the skin, vitamin d synthesis e.t.c prevent skin cancer

That's why we need to keep educating them whenever the opportunities arise.

The mental illness called "Colorism" needs to be stamped out once and for all from our African culture.

See as Africans full everywhere...!

A disease that wasn't discovered here o.

Shame... She was so BEAUTIFUL while in her original melanin skin tone.

Those Africans bleaching and messing with their skin colors, I pity una...!

Old age won't be kind to you.

Melanin is one of the greatest gifts God dished out to those privileged to have it.

Congrats to him...! I hope he thought well before taking this leap.

Lol... The game made me laugh, simply because the awesome Bayer team were suddenly playing like Manchester United of early last season!

Some will call it fixed game, but the truth is... Ten Hag no truly sabi!

Meanwhile, I trust Leeds United to start the reality check for ETH former club this afternoon.

ZombieDredd:
I doubt you are reasoning well.

So obi should take permission to enter any state?

What is wrong with some of you lots?

Guy... APC don finish the brains and reasoning of most Nigerian youths.

The things I read on social media these days ehn!

Kai!!!

...And them go dey yarn this nonsense with all boldness and audacity.

CoronaVirusPro:
If your visit demands public attention, you need to.

The Great people of Edo state have not said Oeter should not visit. The Governor is only making early alarm based on intelligence that, he cannot guarantee his security.

So, if Tinubu is also visiting, the same state governor will suddenly be able to guarantee his security?!!

...Or has Edo state become a no-travel or entry zone for leaders and politicians?!!


The same governor practically lives in Abuja along with Hope Uzodinma of Imo state... Is that how they inform the FCT minister for security approval everytime they visit?!!


Issokay...!

See as APC don turn so-called educated youths into low IQ individuals.

Omo!!!

fergie001:
Okpebholo sounded like someone in a motorpark, this is not the democracy people died for. Well, anything goes this is the 21st Century crude politics we as a people love.

However, if Obi had gone to Edo without informing the State Governor, that is equally wrong.

Do you inform your state governor when traveling home for holidays?!!

What section of the constitution dictates that private citizens and politicians must inform or take permission from state governors prior to visiting?!!

Inform the state governor so that he will do what exactly?!! Approve or deny him entry into the state?!!


APC come just dey make many of you Nigerians dey reason one kind!

Lol... One came close to winning the Ballon D'Or and is a top player for the biggest club in the world of football.

There is really no basis for comparison nor the need for this thread.

If Osimhen were playing peak football in Madrid, PSG or Barcelona, he would be worth twice more than Vinicious...!

Let's leave this mentality of Nigerians are not valued in sports or other industries... It's lame and silly.


Club status goes a very long way in every player's profile and career...!

That's why young players dream of making the move to top clubs like Barcelona, Madrid, Liverpool, etc.

Lol... Dem go use adjournment keep this coconut head for Prison till he turn elderly.

They know exactly what they are doing.

They won't release him on acquital and they certainly don't want the fallout from sentencing him.

All of you creating posts and threads all over the place on top this clown's matter are just annoying tbh...!

This is precisely what he aimed to achieve with that stunt: CLOUT! Massive and free publicity from your collective and misplaced outrage.




Ignoring him would have sent a far bigger message!


Even the dullest persons who stumbled upon wealth deeply know that good education can never be a scam!

First step... Get your bank statement showing the withdrawal.

Step 2... Go to social media court as well as physical court and SUE!

Step 3.... Reach out to VDM.


If we call the nation a Banana Republic brimming with lawlessness and corruption, some overprivileged "Patriots" will take offense.

Lol... A few highly privileged people now speaking for Millions of Nigerians.

If Jonathan performed half as badly as this, I sincerely doubt he wouldn't have been impeached or removed midway into his tenure.

Such news, no matter how lofty and great they sound, actually mean nothing to over 80% of Nigerians living in Nigeria.


We need to seriously start making average citizens feel the impact of these so called achievements... Or else, they are just nothing but FAKE!

Flaunting wealth in any form, no matter how little in this 3rd world country is a very serious RISK!


Driving a car in a compound or among Neighbors that can't afford bicycles already places your life at risk.


It has never been this bad!

Lol... Corruption is very well celebrated in Nigeria.

That's why I don't ever take any Presidential aspirant promising Anti-Corruption seriously.

A country where EFCC and Judiciary are as corrupt as those they are chasing.

Sigh... This shalaye is just unnecessary.

Americans should keep quiet and adapt with the times.

There is a reason we have a World Football Association (FIFA) and European as well as African football Association, not "soccer association".

There are so many names and terms used in the past that have been replaced today... Life continues.


Americans need to quit thinking they are in a world of their own or that universe revolves around their backyard.


It grinds on my ears and nerves everytime they call football, soccer... Or call Rugby, Football (the very worst).

Funny... Person go just wake up begin dey swear for himself.

Can FFK not clearly see the hypocrisy in what he just posted?!!

SMH!

Abroad sef too far...!

If I have to travel outside my state of residence in Nigeria, I prepare my health kit religiously.