Buharism:
Judging by ur conclusion no prophet or judge in the bible is good to follow also. situation and condition and culture certainly affects the way a man behaves and think.
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Prophet david remained a great man, the man after Gods heart and what he did in the bible was no different from what muhammed did. Only God can judge what is good or evil,

Another red flag, only muslims refer to King David as a prophet. Christians don't label him as such. You are obviously an al taquiya muslim in disguise.

Buharism:
he is our lord and saviour, the lamb of sacrifice, and the messiah

You stopped short of calling him son of God, just like any muslim would.

mustymatic:

Not a commandment but statement
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the most important commandment of all?
29
And Jesus answered him, The most important of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these .
Look at the bold clearly.

You obviously bolded the wrong parts of the passage.

Demmzy15:


Of course I did, you didn't address some of my posts, you've been running around since! You called in some rats thinking they'll help but noo, they even complicated everything for you!

state the so called posts I did not address and let me thrash it out now.

I didn't divert anything, I was in line with the op. Life of Uthman Dan fodio and the spread of Christianity in Nigeria. I noticed that any info that doesn't suit you, you scream "al taquiya", that won't help you here because you've been defeated and shown the very liar you're!

what has the terrible life of uthman dan fodio got to do with the glorious spread of christianity Our initial issue was to debate uthman dan fodio, you fraudulently smuggled "spread of christianity" into the debate as a diversionary tactic.

You claimed Uthman Dan fodio terrorized the north and I asked you how, you've not given a clear answer! I need that.

if you don't know that dan fodio was a terrorist like mohammed, then you are Farr more daft than I thought.

He conquered all those who fought him and then established an Islamic State for all, it's just as how the Colonialists conquered Nigeria and then poured in missionaries. The difference is that Uthman Dan fodio fought those who fought and his fight ended with Yunfa who was killed at the end!

Nobody fought him, they were mainly defending themselves from terrorism. And the colonialist never conquered most of the territories that made up Nigeria. Our local rulers seceded control to them through various treaties. That aside, christian missionaries carried out their middion independent of the colonialist and unlike islam they never imposed their religion on any one.

Actually science confirms the global flood story. The last global ice age ended 10,000 years ago resulting in the melt down of continent sized glaciers and global flooding.

Empiree:
Cool. What I Want To Hear. Now, Is Trinity Part Of Jesus Teachings, It Is Not Biblical?, Fine.

Those Who Believe It, Are They Any Less Christians?. Are They On The Wrong Creed?

I am not going to start a trinity discussion with you here, I don't believe in the trinity doctrine and I am 100% christian who believes in the divinity of Christ being the son of God. Period!

smoy:
Fussilat 41: Say, "Have you considered: if the Qur'an is from Allah and you disbelieved in it, who would be more astray than one who is in extreme dissension?" (52) We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness? (53) Unquestionably, they are in doubt about the meeting with their Lord. Unquestionably He is, of all things, encompassing. (54

Have you considered that your allahh is satan in disguise and that if you worship him, you are actually worshipping satan.

Empiree:
So You Don't Believe In Trinity? .

No I don't. It's not biblical and it's contrary to scriptures.

Arrant nonsense!

mustymatic:

Great, first, important, highest ...I don't get u but sorry for this long thing

"One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, ‘Of all the commandments, which is the most important?’"

He felt it was his opportunity to ask Jesus, the Great Teacher, what was the most important commandment, how he can be saved, enter life and the Kingdom of God.

Now, you need to shed all your biases, everything you have been taught in Sunday schools, and all the teachings of mortal men. All who love Jesus should let him talk:

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’"
Mark12 28-9
A great answer to a great question: accept the Lord our God is One, love Him, and worship Him to the best of your ability.

Jesus was not finished. He had more to teach. Obviously Jesus was teaching the man everything he needed to get into the Kingdom of God. Jesus added:

"…The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’"

The Great Teacher further clarified:

"There is no commandment greater than these."

The man who questioned Jesus repeated the commandments to make sure he got them right:

Mark 12:32 "‘Well said, teacher,’ the man replied. ‘You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him…’"

Jesus seeing the man had learned the greatest commandment correctly gave him the good news:

Mark 12:34 "When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, ‘You are not far from the kingdom of God.’"

There are some significant lessons in this story:

First, Jesus taught the man more than he asked, yet he did not say he is the son of God, or the Savior sent to redeem mankind of its sins. He did not say anything remotely similar to what people are instructed to repeat to be ‘born again’ in Christ, "You should individually receive me, accept me as the Son of God, your personal Lord and Savior who will die on the cross for your sins and will rise from the dead. Let the Holy Spirit fill you…"

Take what Jesus said and leave what people have added.

Second, salvation depends on this commandment. Jesus made it clear when another man approached Jesus to learn from him (Mark 10:17-29). The man fell on his knees and said to Jesus:

Mark 10:17-18 "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus replied: "Why do you call me good? No one is good — except God alone."

Third, Jesus confirmed there is no commandment greater than these. In case, someone might think the greatest commandment changed afterwards, Jesus told us:

Matthew 5:17-19 "For assuredly, I say to you, till the heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one title will by no mean pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Fourth, anyone who loves Jesus and wants to enter life must keep the greatest commandment of Jesus as he said:

John 14:15 "If you love me, keep my commandments."

Matthew 19:17 "If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

Fifth, a sincere Christian should accept what Jesus said without twisting his words or finding hidden meaning in them. Jesus taught exactly what Moses taught some 2,000 years before him:

Deuteronomy 6:4-5 "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength."

Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, taught the same eternal truth ALL the prophets of God taught to their people: God is One, worship Him alone.

Deuteronomy 6:13 "Fear the Lord your God, serve Him only and take your oaths in His name."

Deuteronomy 5:7 "You shall have no other God besides Me."

Isaiah 43:11 "I even, I am your Lord and besides Me, there is no Savior."

Hosea 13:4 "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no savior except me."

Psalms 95:6-7 "O come, let us bow down and worship, let us kneel before the Lord, our Maker. For we are the people of His pasture and the sheep of His voice and He is our God."

Jesus emphasized this teaching to Satan as well:

Matthew 4:10 "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only."

Sixth, the Quran confirms the greatest commandment of Jesus. The Quran teaches us exactly that God sent all the prophets with the same teaching: to worship the One true God alone.

"…And your God is One God: there is no god but He…" (Quran 2:163)

"And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him..." (Quran 17:23)

"And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad) but We revealed to him (saying): ‘none has the right to be worshipped but I, so worship Me.’" (Quran 21:25)

You would have done well to quote the source of this your copy and paste. However let me point out that "the Lord your God is one" is not a commandment but a statement. The commandment in that passage was to Love God and to Love our fellow men. these are the two greatest commandments, now we know that muslims don't love their fellow men and even islam teaches them to hate and kill non muslims, so how do you in your wildest imagination think you can follow jesus and be a muslim when islamic teachings are totally in contrast to the teachings of christ?

smoy:
Let me abide by the Op's rules till then Salam.

Even the op is not abiding by the original reason this thread was created.

mustymatic:

Are you denying your faith annunaki? christians quote a verse that looks like it, its one of the misleading u know that's how christians do, they say it's parable or something
Truthman2012 n his cohorts have bn quoting this verse...i hope he's a christian
Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..

My faith is not in trinity but in God Almighty and father of Jesus Christ.

mustymatic:

Twist ke
mark 12:29
KJV:And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord
Is this wat u call twisted
Challenge accepted

My question was what Jesus message and what was his greatest commandment. I didn't ask what was the first commandment, so don't try and twist my question.

smoy:
Salam Alaikum, Alhamdullilah I am A MUSLIM.

In your opinion, how do you compare what uthman dan fodio did to what boko haram is trying to do today? Would you consider him as a terrorist?

mustymatic:

New International Version
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

King James Bible
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Al taquiya nonsense, do you think the holy bible is like your useless quoran that can be twisted any how? I challenge you to mention the book chapter and verse you twisted that passage from.

lodscott:
I don't know much about the religion so am here to clarify. Is it true that Muhammad slept with a 9 year old child as I have been told?

Yes it's very true. Mohammed was a sick pathetic pervert, in fact he started taking baths with the little girl when she was just six and he used to rub his dirty prick in between her thighs whilst they birth.

Buharism:
it was allowed by the tradition then.

It only confirms to us that mohammed's moral standard is way below our moral standard now thus effectively dis qualifying him from being a good example for any human being to follow talkless of making him a religious icon.

analice107:

where is he anuways?
i can't believe somebody will throw a wager but run away claiming victory.

That's islamic mentality for you.

mustymatic:

Am very sure that's a blatant lie...trinity is part of chritianity..

Ok show me were trinity is in the bible.

mustymatic:

Anonymous writers ke
Where in the world is that accepted? After all this is a religious book. The hadith collection is far more authentic than the Bible i tell u...I need the full names of the writers

Give us the full names of the scribes who penned the quoran down as well.

delishpot:



Well, like I said, I am yet to see a caricature depiction of Jesus Christ or Jehovah from a Moslem. Just as Charlie guys do. I do not hold today's Moslem liable for what is written in the Quran as much as A Christian should not be held liable for what is written in the Bible.

The charlie hebdo guys are atheists and not christians and their constitution guarantees them their freedom of expression. They also routinely depicted Jesus in bad light in the past but no christian killed anybody. On the issue of caricature of jesus by muslims, even here on nairaland, some muslims routinely post caricatures depicting jesus in bad light.

analice107:

You are indeed shameless. You opened a thread, treat it. Your opponent is waiting. You are here using delay tactics to run away.

The boy is just a clueless empty headed dunce. With all the noise he makes, one will expect him to at least have the intelligence of a five year old but alas his brain is full of dust that as been fried and burnt in an almajiri school.

Demmzy15:
Annunaki you've been going back and forth since, nothing reasonable. I refuted a post in which I raised some valuable points, you're yet to reply them.

You called all your foot soldiers to help you, but they've all be defeated and humiliated, if you don't reply my posts and give me credible evidence and proofs then you've admitted defeat!

You refuted nothing and raised no valuable points, all you have been doing since the beginning of this thread is to raise diversionary tactics.

You are even yet to attempt the simple question I asked you which is the basis of this debate. I will repeat the question here again: Can you explain to us how Dan fodio used Jihad to establish the islamic fulani empire using 'peaceful' means?

Rilwayne001:


trying to turn the table?

On the contrary it's your fellow bigoted rodent that is trying to turn the table, this debate was meant to be about a terrorist called uthman dan fodio, he is the one trying to turn it into something else with the use of al taquiya.

yazach:
Annunaki, please always back your points with evidence, you posts lack evidence

There is absolutely nothing I have written that is not backed with solid documented evidence.

History they say is written by those who are victorious in a war, in dan fodio's case he was victorious and history was written to favour him but let's ask ourselves what's the difference in what he did and what other tyrannical islamist extremist groups are doing today Let's imagine boko haram is successful in the northeast and they carve out a territory for themselves in the northeast as a separate country, hundred years down the line muslims in that country will be eulogising shekau and writing about how he was such a great islamic scholar and down playing the fact that he was a mere evil terrorist. That is exactly what you guys are doing with dan fodio and even your puppet mohamed.

analice107:

It's okay dear. The Jews pay Tithe and they get really blessed. Am paying Tithe and am really getting blessed. What is the evil in Tithe paying? Christianity is hinged on giving. To make Kingdom wealth, you give.
So, I wll leave it here.

Meanwhile christianity is not hinge on giving but on loving. Giving is meant to be a mere expression of that love. And kingdom wealth is not of this world but is heavenly.

analice107:

It's okay dear. The Jews pay Tithe and they get really blessed. Am paying Tithe and am really getting blessed. What is the evil in Tithe paying? Christianity is hinged on giving. To make Kingdom wealth, you give.
So, I wll leave it here.

Most jews don't pay tithes today because the temple as been destroyed and the levitical priesthood that is legally entitled to collect tithes doesn't exist anymore. That aside the jews are doing well today not because they pay tithe but because they are the chosen race and God's covenant with them which had nothing to do with tithes. I am also doing very well and I don't pay tithes

delishpot:





Na you sabi. I never see a Muslim make caricature of Christ or draw God in lewd ways. So tell me something I don't know. I don't have power to cry for someone that is sane, sees a well and decides to jump in just to see how deep the well is. I'd rather focus on people who are falling into that well because they do not know it was there. Je suis Nigerian.

Go and read the quoran, it's full of insults to Jesus, christians and jews.

delishpot:





Na you sabi. I never see a Muslim make caricature of Christ or draw God in lewd ways. So tell me something I don't know. I don't have power to cry for someone that is sane, sees a well and decides to jump in just to see how deep the well is. I'd rather focus on people who are falling into that well because they do not know it was there. Je suis Nigerian.

So the whole world must bow and tremble because a certain religion encourages terrorism Charlie hebdo had done worse cartoons on Jesus which was based on fabricated lies whilst the ones done on mohammed are based on his sunnah yet we didn't see christians attacking or killing anybody.

The world will no longer tolerate these islamic vermins and freedom of expression can never be contained. That aside the stoopid islamists only made charlie hebdo more popular with their sales going up by over 1,000% and their cartoons going viral on the internet.

Ayomikun37:
Does it also beat your imagination how any sane person would read the Bible and remain a Christian?

And do you know my religious beliefs

Further west, the arbitrarily drawn Durand Line was established in the 19th century to separate Pakistan and Afghanistan by cutting right through the Pashtun homeland. This colonial relic has remained a festering wound that makes both countries virtually ungovernable.

A similar exercise produced a comparable result in the Middle East. The secretly negotiated Sykes-Picot Agreement, creating spheres of influence for the Great Powers during the First World War, produced fractious borders and lit a bonfire of ethnic and sectarian violence that this week burned the Baiyaa market and the Omran Café.

Even recent history has been unkind to the Islamic world. The U.S.-led invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan exploded into regional instability. repeated conflicts with Israel have drained meagre budgets from militaries who spend most of their time blaming Zionist conspiracies for the repressive chaos they themselves create at home.

When one considers the heavy weight of these extenuating circumstances, it is easier to see that the terrorism of the last 20 years is not the reason the Islamic world has been left behind. But it is perhaps the reason it is staying there.

Lockerbie. Embassies in Africa. Sept. 11. Subways in London. A memorial in Ottawa. A café in Sydney. A magazine in Paris. We have witnessed a steady series of attacks against the West. Some of these were large and well-organized conspiracies, others lone-wolf attacks by mentally unstable men with tenuous connections to Islam. But they had the same effect: to provoke a fear in the West that Islam is a threat, and the impression that the Muslim world is not a partner, but a challenge to be managed.

We, and our governments, don’t say this. In fact, we do all we can to make it appear otherwise. We talk about engagement and launch various initiatives to build “constructive dialogue.” These are just euphemisms.

President Barack Obama wanted to use the space program as a tool to engage the Islamic world. He instructed NASA to help Muslim nations “feel good about their historic contribution to science, math and engineering.” In Canada, we reached out by, among other things, naming a special envoy to the Organization of Islamic Co-operation (OIC) and by sending its member countries over $12 billion in aid since 2002. During that same period, the United States sent $137 billion.

These efforts were not about expanding mutually beneficial relations with peers to create new opportunities. They were about preventing problems and neutralizing a threat. Most of our energy has gone into isolating, not engaging, the Islamic world. Compare, for example, what has been spent on intelligence, homeland security and military operations. Since 9/11, Canada tripled its spy budget and spent $18 billion sending troops to Afghanistan. The United States spent between $4 trillion and $6 trillion on military campaigns (including Iraq)—over 25 times more than they spent on engaging through aid.

With every act of terror, we push the Muslim world farther way. We launch more drones. We deploy more troops. We fortify more embassies. We watch more mosques. We accept fewer refugees. We issue fewer visas.

A passport from an Islamic nation is less welcome than one from any other region of the world. Citizens of the OIC enjoy visa-free travel to fewer countries than anyone else. This small fact tells a much larger story about the lack of interpersonal contact between Islamic nations and the rest of the world. It illustrates the fear that some of us feel when we see that the man boarding the flight ahead of us is wearing a shalwar kameez. It highlights the difficulty any of us have had bringing Muslim colleagues to international conferences, or transferring money to business partners in the Middle East. It makes us realize we can’t remember the last time someone talked about going to Egypt to see the pyramids. And it explains why last year less than two per cent of the visitors to Canada were from the Islamic world, despite those countries comprising 25 per cent of the world’s population.


Photo by Haim Zach/REX

It is not just the West. Russia, China, India: all the global powers have developed similar postures toward the Islamic world. Occasionally, although less frequently than the West, they talk about engagement. But really, like us, their strategy is primarily focused on containment.

The isolation also exists at the multilateral level. Only 19 per cent of global economies are not members of the World Trade Organization, but that short list is dominated by Islamic nations. The centrally important Organisation of Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) has only one Islamic member: Turkey. Canada belongs to 207 international organizations. The average Islamic nation belongs to about half that, making them less connected and included than are European, Latin American, Caribbean and Asian countries.

Of course, it is not all containment. The international community does engage more constructively with some Islamic countries than with others. For example, while Malaysia is not a member of the International Space Station partnership, it did second an astronaut to Russia, who then sent him to the space station. Turkey is not only a member of the OECD, it is also part of NATO. (But is hard to imagine it being invited to join today, given that just this week the United States cancelled the transfer of two frigates to the Turkish navy, due to growing concerns about its Islamist tendencies.)

The United States and Canada are negotiating with Indonesia so that we can enter the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement. And Western oil companies are deeply entrenched in Saudi Arabia and Nigeria. But these exceptions prove the rule. Unless you are among the most moderate members of the OIC, or drowning in oil, the international community is not interested.

Ironically, this isolation may be what the extremists actually want. Many of the terrorist attacks were meant to drive a wedge between the Muslim world and the West, to eliminate the degenerate influences of the outside. They want to be left behind, or at least left alone.

Can we change this dynamic? Will we continue to pull back from the Muslim world? It is difficult to find signs that this pattern can be broken. Our economies now depend on trillion-dollar industries whose sole purpose is to protect us from the Islamist threat by building better body scanners and faster cruise missiles. Our own governments have restructured themselves as vigilant watchdogs, safeguarding us from terror. Even as the Paris attacks were still unfolding, the Canadian government was announcing even more anti-terror legislation. And our political institutions have been rewired, dramatically shifting the balance between our personal freedom and our collective security. All of this is intended to build blast-proof walls between us and them.

But perhaps, if we realize that with every terrorist attack our collective instincts to contain the Muslim world grows stronger, we can change this. It would take some patience and courage on our part, and a few leaps of faith, to increase the free flow of our peoples and in their wake, perhaps ideas and values. Of course, it would also require an effort on the part of Islamic nations to reach out, too. We can’t drag them into the OECD.

Terrorists like those who captured our attention in France are not responsible for the relative decline of the Islamic world, but they are prolonging its isolation. This attack and all the others before it have compelled the international community to instinctively respond by containing the threat. But this is merely palliative. As the Muslim world is further contained, it becomes further alienated from the global community, and it falls further behind. This trend must change. We must recognize that as mankind moves further into space, some of us are being left behind.

delishpot:
The Charlie hebdo people use their hands put hot coal for their chest. Just Google their cartoons and you will see why I said so.
Let's focus on the innocents that are slaughtered everyday on the alter of greed, power and religious fanatism. Who go about their daily pursuits not inciting hatred and wars yet are offered as sacrifice for the goals of a few who are boiling of hate anger and greed.

Nothing can ever justify the charlie hebdo massacre. Muslims do worse to ridicule other beliefs so they should not give what they can't take.