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Corosive:
Hw about I give u 1. The guy who shot d okada man was nt jst dismissd bt also jaild.

first, from your earlier post that i quoted one would have thought you had a long list!
well, now to the only one you gave- the naval rating (abi na officer?) was jailed for how many years, if I may ask?
i beleive the story was that he shot the okada man while he was pleading with him i.e. in cold blood, right or maybe u want to clarify that?

Corosive:
In my fomer post I said I dnt realy feel sorry 4 d girl because if she had acted like a lady n reportd d case to d navy itself,

this reporting that you recommend, should it have been done before, during or after she has been thoroughly flogged with horsewhips bought by a govt with her taxes

just out of curiosity, do you use horsewhips also on your kids and relations/friends or only on strangers and enemies who "don't behave like ladies (or gentlemen)"

Corosive:
In my fomer post I said I dnt realy feel sorry 4 d girl because if she had acted like a lady n reportd d case to d navy itself, I'm sure they wulda taken action because history has shwn that the navy are very fast at prosecutin their own.

I am sure you can give a list of such prosecutions and resulting punishment, can't you
So please go ahead and give us the details here. Thanks in advance.

Nigeria Safe for Tourists, Investors, Says Runsewe
From Charles Ajunwa in London, 11.13.2008

Director General,  Nigerian Tourism Development Co-operation  (NTDC), Otunba Segun Runsewe, has said  Nigeria is safe for foreign toirists and investors to do business.

Runsewe said the bad image being peddled about Nigeria as unsafe was the handiwork of people he described as competitors who are afraid of Nigeria's rising profile internationally.

competitors who may have paid our Rear Admiral Aro to spoil naija's image with his barbaric display of power just last week
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(skip) adding that Nigerians are tolerant, accomodating and God-fearing, which accounted for over 100 foreign flights into the country on a daily basis.

definitely not talking about the nuts in our character such as Arogundade & his six uniformed thugs.
And to think that their uniforms were bought in the name of the 140m citizens of this country of whom the victim is one

Source: http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=127988

anonimi:
i'm sure that is the advice you give your siblings, spouse/lover, parents, relations and friends i.e. when your car is brushed and soldier dey flog you, do abolutely nothing, don't even take note of his name, rank, face etc so you can at least file a civil damages case against him and his bosses later

@isiukwum

or maybe you will only give such advice to your enemies

isiukwum:
as for me i blame the woman a little for retaliating. she touched the tail of a mad dog.

in short, meaning she should have taken her beating and humiliation quietly from naval men whose salaries, vehicles and even horsewhip is paid for with her income tax and petroleum tax collected on her behalf by the Federal gov't
no be so
what a queer idea of a civilised society that is touting itself as a tourist destination, 2010 (now 2020) vision bla bla bla.
i'm sure that is the advice you give your siblings, spouse/lover, parents, relations and friends i.e. when your car is brushed and soldier dey flog you, do abolutely nothing, don't even take note of his name, rank, face etc so you can at least file a civil damages case against him and his bosses later

bastrin:
check this out, I found out that apart from the fact that she is a colonels daughter, she was a barrack girl (grew up in d barracks) n went to Navy secondary school. NOw it becomes easier to see y she would have behaved the way she did.

meaning what exactly
what do you say about the PH journalist, the okada man etc who get routinely beaten by military mad men daily?
wonder what blacks will be doing in the US tody if that lady had not refused to sit at the back of the bus "where her race belongs"
definitely, no Obama, no Condi Rice, no Colin Powell etc.

[quote author=i_laugh link=topic=191691.msg3048101#msg3048101 date=1225993242]all of you are goats in sheeps clothings, cows in dog's shoes and chickens in rats headgear.

The question remains un answered.

White father - black mother = black

black father - white mother = black.

Why?[/quote]I thought I answered here

JustGood:
I suppose its too difficult to see what the point is here.
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Tell exactly why Obama is not white and I'll use the same logic to tell you why he's not Black. My point is that he is both black and white.
I am happy that a man of African descent will occupy the white house! But that does not remove the fact that he also has white blood in him

Thank you for what you just said in bold above.

tpia:
What you're advocating here will lead to the extinction of the white race since every mixed race person will be considered white.

I'm not sure I get what you are saying there. Mind explaining?

tpia:
Most people don't even know how or when he became a senator, yet they're suddenly crying for joy and quoting bible and quran and calling him African Moses?

and declaring tomorrow public holiday in Kenya, where they need to even work more hours to raise productivity, national income and prosperity rather than wait for white people's aid.
when we wan grow up sef away from this na-my-tribesman type of politics?

See here

let's forget about the white supremacists for a while and think about the black enslavement forces for now.
how can we ensure that the Obamas in our villages, LGs, states, countries etc can also emerge, particularly Nigeria.
In Nigeria, we had eight years of total misrule and we voted(?) or looked on as the same party won landslide and is now preparing for 60 years of further enslavement- blackout, unemployment, broken infrastructures etc. And we dey look like lukmans high on lucozade.
Ditto for Kenya where election results were scuttled and the "declared winner" sworn in so quickly it would make the Guiness book of Records. I understand they have declared Thursday a public holiday! Can you imagine!!! Did they even declare yesterday a public holiday to "allow" people go and vote in the US?
We, Africans, when will we open our eys and wake up from our sleep?
Obama's victory should inspire us in our little corners of this continent to improve ourselves collectively so a mulato will not be described as a black man and we will gladly accept it!

Blackcat:
Why have they not stood up to fight the white race for rejecting them? I mean we have millions of mixed kids why don't they start a rebellion?

Bob Marley's music was such a rebellion and in some ways Obama's success is another.
The better rebellion will be by us (u & I) as blacks against our denigrating values to emancipate ourselves from the mental slavery that holds us in a vicious cycle of poverty, disease, overspirituality & underscientific etc etc. Yet we are genetically equal in our mental capabilities as individuals, one on one!!!

referring to half casts as blacks reflects our inferiority complex and acceptance of the connotation that goes along with such labelling of mulatos as blacks, i.e. black is dirty and when it touches clean white it can only be described as black(dirty).
what we should ask ourselves is why is white so desirable and black so despicable!!!
what can we (u & I) do to change the perception by improving our collective lot rather than engaging in the usual na-me-big-pass-for-village.

Pilgrim.1,
Have you considered answering the question on the difference between tithes and offerings? Or you cannot afford to answer while you answer other less significant questions profusely?
Are you still in doubt that indeed there is a difference between 10% (specific proportion) and proportion (a range of 0.00001[or less] to 99.99999[or more but not 100%])?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2988810#msg2988810 date=1224866777](skip)

Without even highlighting anything now, I believe it is easy to see that my agreement is in accord with my previous posts:

(a) ► Do I believe that many, many pastors have abused tithes? Absolutely.

► Do I believe that these abuses should be condemned? ABSOLUTELY!

► Does that mean that tithes are the basis of these abuses? Absolutely NOT.

(b) I aslo explained that tithes are not the basis for the abuses; rather it is greed
(or covetousness - 2 Peter 2:3) that lies at the root of the abuses.

(skip)[/quote]Maybe you need to reconcile greed being satisfied by the manipulation of the Bible in regards to tithe. Think about any act having a motive behind it.
Hopefully that may help clear some lingering ambiguity.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2988810#msg2988810 date=1224866777]Dear anonimi,

I still agree with Enigma 1 million percent; and let me show you why.

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particularly the fact that he mentioned -

_______________________________________________
. . . no one condemns tithers or even their choice to do so -
especially where it is an informed choice; it is the false or
wrong teaching of it that invokes vigorous opposition.
_______________________________________________

Without even highlighting anything now, I believe it is easy to see that my agreement is in accord with my previous posts:

(a) ► Do I believe that many, many pastors have abused tithes? Absolutely.

► Do I believe that these abuses should be condemned? ABSOLUTELY!

► Does that mean that tithes are the basis of these abuses? Absolutely NOT.

(b) I aslo explained that tithes are not the basis for the abuses; rather it is greed
(or covetousness - 2 Peter 2:3) that lies at the root of the abuses.

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It is for this reason that I shy away from the idea that TITHES are false doctrines; infact, Enigma has captured it in very few words aptly: it is the "false or wrong teaching of it" that I agree with 1 million percent. The problem is that so many times some of us use tithes to attack people and that is why the slips often occur in the statement that "tithes is a false doctrine' - no they are not! It is rather teaching the wrong things about it that is unhealthy.

I hope that helps clear the issue?

Bless.[/quote]It clears the issue and confirms what I said earlier: your position as it stands is no different from what those who oppose the false teachers of tithe have been saying over the past 59 pages.
You may wish to go and check again.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2988417#msg2988417 date=1224862377]@Enigma,

Quote from: Enigma on Today at 04:12:50 PM

General

The continued preaching of the Old Testament law of tithing in whatever disguise simply has to be opposed because of the bondage that its teaching in modern times places Christians under. It is simply enslaving and placing in bondage those who have been set free. Of course, no one condemns tithers or even their choice to do so - especially where it is an informed choice; it is the false or wrong teaching of it that invokes vigorous opposition

.


I agree with you 1 million percent! Regards.[/quote]I am really, really wondering if you meant what you just wrote.
Because if you do then you need to read all the posts of those of us opposed to the preaching of tithe (a tenth =10%) requirement and see how it accords with what you just agreed with "1 million %"

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2987419#msg2987419 date=1224851877]we have learnt to contain it all (just like we all disagree on most other Christian doctrines). I would like to make friends and discuss amicably, whatever the outcome - but why are we so quick to be dismissive on other people's inputs just because we don't agree with their submissions?

May God help us all to be quite accommodating to one another in the love of Him whom we trust to serve in dignity, love and respect.

Many blessings and hugs. [/quote]Your earlier post quoted just above does not reflect what you said right here.
So may I ask where do you really belong- with the accommodating etc group or the plenty vitriol group of just a few replies earlier?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2986862#msg2986862 date=1224846991]@anonimi,

To be honest with you, I haven't been going back and forth on anything. What amazes me is that no matter how many times I have clearly outlined the differences in these matters, blind bats like you will never see it! And that is why I keep going back and forth endlessly repeating myself on the same matter after clearly outlining them. If you don't agree, you can lay out your disagreements by clearly going to Scripture and discussing, not hyperventilating and trying to discredit someone else's inputs with your under-utility grade hootings.[/quote]Nne, I bin think say u be Xtian oh! Did you actually use the words highlighted above or do you wish to edit them now?

To be honest with you, I haven't been going back and forth on anything. What amazes me is that no matter how many times I have clearly outlined the differences in these matters, blind bats like you will never see it! And that is why I keep going back and forth endlessly repeating myself on the same matter after clearly outlining them

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Which one do we take- the "I haven't been going back and forth" or the "how many times I have (skip)  keep going back and forth endlessly repeating myself"

Will you be kind enough to let us know what you are really trying to say abi na blindness dey worry us still

MALAMA:
As a non-tither, God has blessed me 'repete'tiously in all forms and I'm happy to be used as a conduit by Him to bless others.

Many thanks for the above, which is also my situation since almost two years now. God not only continued to show His blessings on me in all areas but even more than when I was paying the pastors' oft-repeated tithe (a tenth [10%] specific requirement.
Thank God I am free and I am free indeed in the sacrificial blood of Jesus.
I continue to give to the church I attend as I see necessary and led by the Holy Spirit any, unspecified and varying proportion of my income while supporting the needy in my extended family and society including intenational NGOs and charities (with poverty impacting programmes in Nigeria) and the Gideons to distribute the Bible so others can have their personal understanding of the redeeming knowledge of Christ's life and teachings as well as those of the Apostles, which should be the litmus test of the "super-annointed" men of God today.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2984651#msg2984651 date=1224803480]@MALAMA,

Grace would serve us the fortune of seeing the true meaning of tithes with time.[/quote]Now I see why you have been going back and forth all this while yet unable to define and differentiate between tithe (a tenth= 10%) on one hand (OT requirement) and other gifts such as offerings, vows, pledges, donation, project etc (unspecified proportion= any %) on the other (NT requirement).
Maybe you really need that 7Up you referred to recently before, during and after re-reading all the 59 pages of this thread and your replies to appreciate how this basic understanding would have served you very well.
Shalom.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2978623#msg2978623 date=1224701389]@anonimi,

Okey-dokes! I even thought you had a huge problem that was worrying you for which I could edit. Kai! E no good to carry legalism for mind O!

Let me help you brother. Throughout from the very onset, I have maintained two things in this regard:

(skip) I have maintained that IMO tithe is not only 10% and the figures vary in Scripture. Even those who favour tithes have gracefully shared with me that tithe is nothing other than 10%, and I acknowledged their persuasions on that note - afterall, there has been a consistency that this issue in our lives is not a compulsion where my own persuasions should be the standard and only prescription for anyone else.  (skip)
If you choose only 10%, what do you then call the other figures, dear anonimi? I shall wait for your answer, and then give you some other figures straight from Scripture which your own adulators have all acknowledged and yet call those various figures TITHES!

(skip)

(c) I still maintain my position that tithes should not be a matter of rigid figures, but of divine principles. If you have been careful to follow my inputs on this, you certainly would not have missed where I clearly have repeatedly stated that it was by "principle" and not by exactitudes of calculations. Some may decide to give more or less instead of exactly 10% - others may feel led to give in that same manner, but are too scared to call it "tithes" (preferring other terms not found in the NT). I don't have a problem with all those - the only issue for such arguments is that those who stay on a rigid command in everything will miss the essential feature of what tithes are pointing to (which is what I was waiting all along to demonstrate, though I mentioned it earlier).

Bottomline is that -
    ● I give my tithes (which is not 10%),
    ● following the principle of Abraham's faith,
    ● recognizing the priesthood of Christ after the order of Melchizedek
    ● without fear, cajoling, manipulation, or inveigling,
    ● not to fulfill any part of Judaism
    ● not seeking to be more righteous thereby
    ● and have been truly blessed extra-ordinarily in doing so.

I'm sorry to note that my position somewhat distressed or confused you all the more - I never intended it so to be. However, it is not an exactitude of figures in percentages that is paramount in tithes - rather, it is what tithes essentially mean that Scripture presents before us that matters more. problem is that people have taken the secondary matters and made them the primary matters - and that is why they cannot see what they are confusing.

(skip)[/quote]I am not sure you know of a popular ad in Nigeria at a time: If it is not Panadol it is not Panadol.

If your tithe is not a tenth (10%) of your earnings it is not tithe. It is offering, gift, vow, first fruit etc etc etc but definitely not tithe.

You can speak more dogo turenci= plenty grammar till Armagedon that will not change the Biblical definition of tithe as a tenth of your earnings. That F.Y.I. has been abolished by Christ after his fulfilling sacrifice at Calvary.
We are now expected to give as our hearts desire a proportion (%) of our earnings, freely determined by the giver and not in reference to a tenth (tithe).
I hope you can bring yourself to understand this fundamental even though tiny difference.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2977732#msg2977732 date=1224689068]@anonimi,

Answer and reminder:[list][list][/list][/list]

Was that not clear enough when I stated it?

Lol, u no need to shake - I just don't like repeating mysef endlessly - especially when someone is making the mistake of misrepresenting my position. [/quote]Your answer was very clear, maybe even too clear and don't worry I did not make any mistake of misrepresenting your position.
I was only pointing out the apparent discord in your tithe justification, to wit:

While you say it is not a tenth (10%) of earnings, you still said your persuasion is not based on the law but on Abraham's giving of a tenth (10%) of his war booty to Melchizedec.

I have given you the opportunity throughout today to see the glaring contortion that resonates throughout all your submissions on this thread but you seem not to be able to get it. Hopefully you may get it now.

pilgrim.1,

Your writings is basically that you are still saying your tithe is not a tenth (10%)  of your income, isn't it whether na legalistically speaking abi na faithfully speaking?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2977215#msg2977215 date=1224680958]@anonimi,

Dear anonimi, when you engage pilgrim.1 in very intricate matters like this, please tread softly - just an advice. Once early in my Christian life, I also condemned tithes, ridiculed it, and gave several excuses why they could not be for the Christian. However, a change of heart came upon me and I know where I'm coming from, where I have been, how deeply these matters have been researched, and I know who I am today in Christ. There is NOTHING that any opposer of tithe is going to say today that I have not read, heard, seen, perused, queried, or synthesiszed in a digestible form to know where they stand.

If I wanted to, I could serve you 211 (that's not a typo - it's 211) more points (a total of 220 points) where I differ radically from the arguments of antagonists on this matter. I could show you another 45 points of the bitter things they have said against Christ, against tithers and even contrary to God Himself. I don't want to scare any Christian believer, that is why I am trying to be sensible here and not post such matters (other than the one where Yomisays derived his argument from the opposer that condemned tithers to Hell using Galatians 5:4).

Lol, I'm not trying to bluff here. No. The point is that (while I'm not pointing this at you), pilgrim.1 is not a softball on anybody's tuff who can be so bitterly driven with their legalistic sanctimony - not even when they claim a Ph.D with a "Christian" badge.[/quote]If u no wan scare persin na wetin be all dis tori wey you dey yarn for above dia
Make you try more, more abeg.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2977011#msg2977011 date=1224676964]Please ask the holders of Ph.Ds who have been hooting against tithes and calculated it to 40%.[/quote]And your point is- it cannot be more than 10%?
Or can it be more than 10% as per the authors you recently quoted?

Quote from: anonimi on Today at 12:57:45 PM
and who claims to be persuaded to tithe not by law but by Abraham-Melchizedec text will post what you just posted above.

Please point out what your grouse with my statements are - then we can take it from there.

Me i no dey get grouse oh, my dear sister in the Lord! If you dey look for am, abeg make you go front small maybe you go fit find am for dia.
I was only reiterating what all your posts has been about so that you may re-affirm them or not. You may still wish to do so or we accept your opinion as currently summed up.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2976955#msg2976955 date=1224676051]Why cannot it not be tithe - just because you do not see 10% as the exact figure?

I guess then that what Russell E. Kelly Ph.D and his folks describe as 23.3% and 40% are not tithe then? If they are, where do you stand in these matters?

You could give us your answers now regardless of whether JJYOU comes on board now or later.[/quote]I am surprised that a Bible scholar as erudite as yourself and who claims to be persuaded to tithe not by law but by Abraham-Melchizedec text will post what you just posted above.
Maybe you want to re-read and then edit.
Hopefully by then JJ would have responded to my question unambiguously as well.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2976848#msg2976848 date=1224674554]I give a tithe - but it is not 10%. Does that help?[/quote]You do not give a tenth (10%) of your earnings so it cannot be tithe.
How about that?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2976772#msg2976772 date=1224673606]@anonimi,

Lol, anonimi. .  let me help you here: I would not tell you precisely how much in a specific figure by percentage (%) I tithe.[/quote]In short you do not pay a tenth (10%) of your earings to your church as tithe, right?
Or maybe you do pay a tenth?

sleekymag:
@ anonimi,

Based on the above, personally i tithe 10% of my earnings apart from a few other things, that i've developed for myself. It's all a matter of faith contacted from the word.

I have also noted your unambiguous response to my question. Thanks.
I hope JJ will show up soon enough.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2976412#msg2976412 date=1224668658]Hi anonimi,

Let me answer your question first, and then explain my answers.

Answers:
   
   2. My tithes are not specifically a tenth (10%) of my earnings.

Explanations:

     2. I have said numerous times that tithes are not always a matter of 10%
       
I hope these few answers would help? Cheers. [/quote]I have noted your answer to my question above. You may wish to define what you pay as tithe.
I will wait for the response of sleekymag and JJ before I give a concise and specific reply.

pilgrim.1, sleekymag & JJ,

Is your tithe no longer, specifically, a tenth (10%) of your earnings?

anonimi:
Now you may know why naija is importing fuel despite its crude oil deposits and multiple refineries with $billions spent on TAMs- Turn Around Maintanance.
Next time you see a queue and/or the high cost of petrol, you have one contributor's address at least.

Ink neva dry for my computer wey this story appear for confirmation:

FG Opts for Massive Importation of Fuel
By Udeme Clement-Ogbuanu, 10.20.2008

With the imminent zero production of petroleum products in the country following the state of all the refineries, the Federal Government has decided to embark on massive importation of fuel to prevent scarcity and queues at the filling stations.
The gist continues here

In the abundance of water the fool is thirsty- Bob Marley