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[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=224944.msg3407795#msg3407795 date=1233395890]See as dem dey yab man of God. Una no dey fear God?[/quote]Fear God- Yes we do, or at least I know I do.
Fear man (who claims/is believed to be) of God - No. The Bible does not teach any such thing.

See James 5:

17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

BTW, what are Adeboye's fruits as stated in Matthew 7:

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So what fruits is Jesus talking about? See Matthew 25:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Adeboye is just a smart person who knows how to use words very well and as a mathematician, he should know how to work probabilities.
However that does not detract from the fact that he is a hypocrite of the highest order as shown here

By the way does anyone know of anything that is not ordained of God
He ordains both good and bad things to happen as you will find Him say in several references in the Bible.
One example is in Isaiah 45:7, Job's experience is just another. Moreover f[b]or every promise of blessing for obedience to His laws there are threats of curses for disobedience.[/b]
So let's use the talents (brains, intelligence, wisdom, knowledge, power etc) that He has endowed us with as His image to obtain what we need and want as the Americans have done in choosing Obama against all odds based on Obama's work and the sacrifice of many black Amercians who died and went to jail fighting for civil rights and equality.
Let's not forget our great-great-uncles & aunties sold by our great-great-grandfathers & mothers as slaves for a pittance of whisky, gin, guns, wraps of cloth.

alexys:
e ku se o my fellow bloggers cum bible students!!!!
if u read the bible as much as u portray, u will find where it says "judge not so that ye will not be judged"
if they are false prophets duping people & using their money for material benefits, God will not "siddon look" because that same bible we all read says "vengeance is mine saith the Lord, i will repay" it also says that Judgement will start from the house of God so please let God fight his battle o!!!!!!!!!!!!

You should grab your Bible and read the whole of Matthew 7 where the judge not is in the first verse. When you read it fully in context you realise that we are being called upon to uphold the good standards [/b]that [b]we are expected to judge others on!
Let me know what you think after reading the whole chapter 7.

princekevo:
When our correspondent contacted the Director of Naval Information, Commodore David Nabaida, he promised to investigate the matter. [/color]

Please can someone tell me wht came out of the investigation of Uzoma Okere's case? Coz it seems this same statement is now being used to silence every crime commited against civilians,

You can see the status of Uzoma's case [color=#990000]here

* Naval panel report submitted to Presidency
** Civil damages court case adjourned till Feb. 23. I hope these LASU students will mobilise and rally for solidarity on that day at the venue.

By God's grace, this barbaric, bestial behaviour WILL STOP.
NEVER AGAIN in 21st century Nigeria!!!

The Punch reporter should also get a good legal team and sue them for civil damages.
It is only by following up with court cases that these godogodos will learn that khaki no be leather, na tailor dey sew am. They are also subject to the laws of Nigeria.

The two old thieves OBJ & Atiku, must be having a good laugh on how gullible their mugu fellow citizens are!
Their meeting had very little, if anything, to do with replacing yara if he dies or resigns. they were more concerned about the tightening noose of their involvement in the Siemens scandal
In any case for such rumour to be spreading in the first place means we know we will turn to God for help rather than stand up for the right thing to be done- VP replaces President if he dies or resigns.
If I am not mistaken, that was how OBJ became Head of State the first time- Murtala Muhammed died!

Meanwhile the two thiefs were trying to sell their mugu countrymen political bullshit as coverup.

Hmmm, dis naija sef

the two guys must be laughing themselves silly.
their meeting may be to find common strategy to the Siemens bribery scandal while they posture to outsiders that it was in the national political interest.
in any case if it was for political reasons it also shows the great disrespect that these Looters in Chief have for the 150m people of this country. They know we are stupid and cowardly that they can come back to power to loot us more

Image123:
@anonimi
its difficult to seperate the church from God, seeing the church is the bride of Christ.I-fy mentioned tenets of christianity,mentioned etc etc,mentioned more views.did you see that?there's no need for you to quarrel with the church or anyone for that matter.Follow peace with all men and holiness without which no man shall see God.Hebrews12.

my dear,

i do not know why you find it difficult to understand my very straightforward replies.
i only asked that the writer

reflect on your equating church with God

i went further to direct the writer not just Biblical basis but the actual conversation of Christ on the subject.
but what do you do
- change equating to difficulty in separating
is this difficulty scripture based? if so direct me to such verses and i will check and get back to you as/if necessary.

[quote author=I-fy link=topic=221136.msg3369495#msg3369495 date=1232548368]While give to What God what belongs to God, is to be submissive to the tenets of Christianity: go to Church on time, pay your accurate tithe, respect the church council, always say and stand by the truth, etc, etc.

More views.[/quote]You may wish to reflect on your equating church with God.
You may want to re-read Jesus' conversation with the Samaritan woman in John 4 leading to his declaration of worshiping God in spirit & in truth.

@ larez,

you may also check this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-154783.0.html

angelina08:
Since last two months ego i lost my job, but this month God bless me with (My last minute miracle) so i will thank him by giving it to him, to eat the fruits of my labour. Because with him all things are porsible.

Just wondering Angelina, how will you give it to Him (God) and be sure that He (God) receives it.
Thanks for educating me a bit on this.

Customs officials kill conductor, provoke riot

By Mike Odiegwu, Asaba
Published: Thursday, 15 Jan 2009

Officials of the Nigerian Customs Service on Wednesday allegedly gunned down a bus conductor identified as Arinze Nwachukwu at the former Asaba-Onitsha toll gate.

The alleged killing caused a stir on the highway and created a -prolonged traffic jam from Abraka market, Asaba to the bridgehead.

This caused a spillover in Onitsha, Anambra State as it temporarily blocked access to the Niger Bridge

It was gathered that Arinze, the only child of the Nwachukwu from Aguleri, Anambra East Local Government Council, was murdered at 7.30 am while in a bus with registration number XC 220 JJC.

Eyewitnesses who spoke to our correspondent gave two versions of how the customs officials on duty at the toll gate fired a shot that killed the 25-year old conductor.

One source claimed that the anti-smuggling agents fired shots at an Onitsha-bound luxury bus after attempting to stop the bus without success.

One of the bullets was said to have hit another Onitsha-Asaba bus, a Mitsubishi L-300 driven by a man simply called IBB, whose conductor was Arinze.

The bullet, the source said, pierced the door behind the driver and penetrated the chest of the conductor.

The source said there was no passenger in the bus, adding that both the driver and the slain conductor were on their way to carry passengers at Asaba when the incident happened.

Our correspondent gathered that the bullet created a wide hole on the bus.

It was learnt that the driver narrowly escaped death as another bullet hit the edge of the vehicle’s door, above the glass, but could not penetrate.

Another eyewitness said the bus was filled with passengers who scampered for safety when the bullet hit the conductor.

It was gathered that after the dastardly act, the customs officials fired several shots into the air to scare onlookers and also paved the way for their escape through the swampy bush close to the River Niger.

The source said that the customs officers pulled their uniforms to avoid identification.

It was also learnt that some onlookers had trailed the trigger-happy men, but could not get them. The sympathisers, however, vented their anger on a customs official vehicle, Peugeot 504 Saloon, which was burnt beyond recognition.

The remains of Arinze covered with traffic jacket were kept in the ill-fated bus hours after the incident, but were later taken to Area ”B” Police Division, Delta State along Asaba-Onitsha Expressway.

As at press time, a crowd of sympathisers and protesters, besieged the police division.

The killing of Arinze sparked off violent protests as commercial drivers and conductors, especially those who plied Asaba-Onitsha route took over the highways wielding weapons and chanting solidarity songs.

Scores of rioters barricaded the highways, created gridlocks on the busy road for hours and defiled all the efforts by the policemen to pacify them.

The scene attracted squads of anti-riot policemen, men of the Nigerian Security and Civil Defence Corps and the Joint Military Task Force who were put on the alert to avert possible escalation of the protest.

Source: Punch

Who will be the next victim - Your/My relation or friend before we act decisively to say in unison:
NO MORE!
NEVER AGAIN!!

Navy Redeploys Arogundade, 20 Others
From Juliana Taiwo in Abuja, 01.16.2009

Rear Admiral Harry Arogundade, the naval officer who was at the centre of the storm that trailed the molestation of Miss Uzoma Okere, by naval ratings in Lagos last year has been redeployed to the Defence Headquarters as Director of Plans.
Until his new posting, Arogundade was the Flag Officer Commanding Logistics based in Warri, Delta State.
Arogundade�s redeployment was among twenty other new postings announced by naval authorities in Abuja yesterday.
The molestation of Miss Okere and the nonchalant attitude by Arogundade and the Nigerian Navy was trailed by vociferous campaigns by concerned Nigerians, forcing the defence headquarters to constitute an investigative panel.
Though, the panel�s report has not being made public, many suspected that it influenced yesterday�s redeployment of Arogundade.
Earlier, the vociferous protest had forced military authorities to stop the use of horsewhips by its officers and men while the use of siren was restricted to military chiefs only.
Addressing newsmen yesterday, Director of Naval Information, Commodore David Nabaida said 21 senior officers made up of Rear Admirals and Commodores, were redeployed to new assignments to boost the operations of the Navy.
He said the redeployment of the senior officers was deliberate as it formed part of the career development programme of the service, adding, �At senior level, there is a need to move officers round to prepare them for holding command, training and staff appointments.
Among the deployed officers was Rear Admiral Owocho F Oketa who replaced Rear Admiral Arogundade as Flag Officer Commanding, Logistics Command while Rear Admiral Good Omoohwo Akpollo takes over as the new Chief of Administration at the NNQ.

etc. etc etc. . .

Source: This Day

[quote author=Gen_mayor link=topic=217918.msg3331028#msg3331028 date=1231773082]pastor adeboye is the 2nd respected man of God in the world after pope John Paul [/quote]I wonder how Jesus Christ would have ranked on the respect scale in the world (Israel) 2000 years ago.
Is it the respect in the world that matters or how much a pastor, prophet, GO measures up to the standard spelt and lived out by Christ and His Apostles in the Bible
I am not sure if Adeboye's utterances here meet the standards of being a Christian, let alone being a leader of Christians

Image123:
@anonimi
It's either you're a very funny personality or a phoney one.

I don't believe there is any instruction on this forum that one must respond to any post even when one has nothing tangible to say as in your above post.
May I humbly request you to go through all my posts on this forum whether they suggest any triviality of mind or person.
Rather than come up with Bible based responses to a serious, fundamental issue as is being discussed here you resort to what can only be considered infantile escapism.

epi:
@ttalks, bobbaf et al

Going through this entire thread, we argued about the old covenant vs. the new covenant.  Question: Could one of you explain to me why one part of the NT Jesus ask us not to follow the old covenant yet there is a verse saying  "I am not to destroy but to fulfill."

"Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

And since we are on the topic of old covenant and new covenant - Should Christians eat pork?

Peace
Peace

What does it mean to fulfill something e.g. a law, covenant, contract, job etc?
Maybe if you can think deeply about the above question and read again Christ's word and works in the Bible you might find the answer you need and (I believe) seek.

anonimi:
Please note that we are one decade into the 21st century when people can read and search the Bible electronically and come to a clear understanding that tithes are NOT REQUIRED of Christians but freewill giving is REQUIRED.
I hope you can make the distinction yourself and not that you have made that distinction already but continue on the road to perdition and seek to drag others along with you.
Shalom

@Image123,
Now compare the original above to the out-of-cotext one you quoted below:

why are you passing your rotten and ROTTING banana.
You have made that distinction already BUT CONTINUE ON THE ROAD TO PERDITION and seek to DRAG OTHERS along with you.

I leave readers to judge why you want to distort my message

anonimi:
I am sure you understand English and can point out where I was specifically (or suggested) damning anyone's soul for paying tithes

Oga Image 123,

I thought with your prolificity on this forum you would have responded to my request almost immediately. Or silence is consent

Image123:
@anonimi
There's no need for you to take this issue this personal.This is a new year,calm down and take things easy.Nobody is paying his/tithe from your salary.[/b]They're using their own money.And nobody is damning their souls or going to hell by paying tithes as your post suggests.

How about the bolded part of your reply above as taking issues personal
I thought Christ thought us to turn the other cheek when slapped? [b]Maybe you don't follow such teachings as you obviously prefer to return double slaps on each cheek even when you are not slapped but only a semblance of a retort that is based on the Bible is given to your tithe-mongering co-traveller.

@ jimmyjam,

i guess you are talking about the good ( ) old days of "Fellow compatriots, I Brigadier XYZ. . ."
This case will be another litmus test of which laws are supreme in Nigeria- the military service rules or the constitution of Nigeria.
In case you are not aware, there is a rare case going on of soldiers effectively suing for non-receipt (read embezzlement) of their peacekeeping entitlements. Yet, condemned death row men have sued the government for keeping them waiting for too long!
Lest you forget Atiku successfully sued Obj and PDP over his harrassment and planned sack as VP as well as denying him a slot on the presidential election ballot!
We are making progress, albeit slowly and Okere's case will be another milestone in that journey- God willing.

Image123:
@anonimi
And nobody is damning their souls or going to hell by paying tithes as your post suggests.

I am sure you understand English and can point out where I was specifically (or suggested) damning anyone's soul for paying tithes
In case you missed it and to stop you from further confusing issues, the Bible only damns those who knowing the truth (you should give offerings -any %, which may happen to be 10% i.e. tithe) or posturing themselves as knowing the truth about tithes and Christian giving continue to feed lies (that tithes-10% is requeired) to gullible Christians.
If anyone knows the Biblical truth about Christian giving and decides freely and willingly, [b]without coercion or manipulation [/b]to give 10% of his income his soul can not be damned.

dafidixone:
I am happy Kunle is not saying Tithe payment is wrong.  I will also want us to note that emphasis about Mal. 3:10 is not manipulation, it is emphasising the truth about how God blesses His people. It is not a good thing for a good Christian to wallow in Poverty.

Has it ever occurred to you and your Mal.3:10 brandishing tithe-mongers that China & India both have one-third (2.2 billion) of the world's population (6.6 billion) and in the past twenty years have steadily grown more (absolute numbers & as % of their population) rich, prosperous people than Bible-clutching Nigerians and even the US   Lately, wages and salary rates in these two countries are increasing to catch up with Europe and the US while luxury products manufacturers (Mercedes Benz, BMW, fashion designers etc) are opening factories there to cater for the nouveau riche.
I am sure you know they are not Christians there and will not even know about your Mal.3:10 on "how God blesses His people". 
Read your Bible again and you will realise He blesses those who work hard, save their money and invest it for growth while sharing with the less fortunate in their midst.

dafidixone:
First, Let me wish everyone here Happy 2009.  This year is a year that the Lord have spoken Joy to the wise. Be wise and your Joy will be full.

I am happy Kunle is not saying Tithe payment is wrong.  I will also want us to note that emphasis about Mal. 3:10 is not manipulation, it is emphasising the truth about how God blesses His people. It is not a good thing for a good Christian to wallow in Poverty. People can be poor and make heaven but it is not the wish of God for His children to be poor and live miserable life.  The point here is that we must be exposed to secrete of God treasure. Giving to God is one of the secrets for Financial Prosperity.  SO whenever TIthe is emphasised, it is not for you to compulsorily give to God, but to make you know that making a good success is critical to obeying "Laws" and "Commandments" of God.  For Example, Malachi 3, is a revelation to some people that makes us see how we are in the sight of God when we fail to pay our tithes.  Malachi is a call to a true worshiper who still find devourer in his life.  Are you a christian and you are still invaded by lack of basic needs, are you always getting your pay to spend it on things that are not worth it.  This may be the work of devourer, check your tithe payment life then you know what exactly to do.  According to Bishop Oyedepo's "Understanding Financial Prosperity" He made so many point about giving as a critical instrument to opening heaven of blessing.  He made us understnd that some issues does not demand prayers, they demand practicing the word. For example if your are a good Christian, and you are praying to GOd to bless you financially, you need to look into your giving habbit.  Tithe is a command with reward of blessing.

Joy to the Wise.

why are you passing your rotten and rotting banana [tithe -10%] off as a ripe and maturing banana [giving -any %] so as to confuse Christians again.
Please note that we are one decade into the 21st century when people can read and search the Bible electronically and come to a clear understanding that tithes are NOT REQUIRED of Christians but freewill giving is REQUIRED.
I hope you can make the distinction yourself and not that you have made that distinction already but continue on the road to perdition and seek to drag others along with you.
Shalom

the man has turned to a hypocrite, worse than our politicians as portrayed here
when did you hear him preach about and practice righteousness, which exalts a nation?
just get rich, no matter who you kill directly or indirectly (embezzling hospital funds for example) along the way.
sometimes you wonder if these pastors are not doing bad covers of 50 Cents' song- Get Rich or Die Trying!

we are regional, nay continental super mugus.
Even our small neighbours, Benin Republic had opposition win presidency. our smart[/b]ness is [b]selfishly driven by greed.
let's continue to wait for messiah as our pastors don talk sey naija go soon better!!!

One of the key issues is the absence of a viable middle class AND institutions/infrastructures for rational analysis as there are several unknown/variables.
These present opportunities and challenges BUT is best for those who like taking risks as they can make a KILL just as the GSM companies, MTN in particular, milked us and continue to milk us dry as we are all too smart for ourselves!!!

diasporian:
You talk as if every successful man or woman in Nigeria has something to do with governance? And you said you are 25 and successful, havent you seen people less than your age more successful in Nigeria without even having any links to government or governance?

How do these people think realy?

You are the one who should be checking how you think.
Most developed countries have everyone involved in governance by actively participating in the democratic process and defending their rights legally.
That does not happe in naija hence the deepening rot and why a sick, clueless man will be forced on 140m people and they will swallow such rubbish noiselessly.

Reply on a similar thread here

Related comment here. See the thread also.

Ilelobola:
So tell me how many people have you tried to lift out of poverty in Nigeria [/b]or how many rallies you have organised or attended be it at local community level or higher to influence what’s happening in Nigeria. If you can’t honestly answer positively then I don’t believe you have the right to preach at me; I do my bit perhaps I can/should do more but [b]I know I can’t single-handedly save the world (or in this case Nigeria).

My dear sis, I don't mean to personalise this but just that it is the basis of why we ALL seem to know what is wrong with our country yet we can't fix it.
FTR, I am doing my bit, and permit me to say a lot relative to my earnings, to lift people out of poverty but more importantly to change our orientation about what each one of us can do to make a difference.
A journey of a thousand miles begins with just one step. And you need to see the source of any river to understand what little drops of water can do!
Here is a related response and thread.

Ilelobola:
Finally we agree on something- well almost. Every society has some kind of class system and I'd agree that the class you have called professional are probably better off in Nigeria but we can't hold them responsible for the problems of the rest of society except they are part of the Nigerian corrupt political system. Believe it or not a lot of young professionals in Nigeria achieved it through hardwork well in school and Uni for those that don't believe office work is hardwork. There are more than 10 of them sha, thank God for that.

The bold part is why naija will NEVER make meaningful progress, NEVER.
Being part is not limited to actively engaging in corrupt practices, such as politicians and company directors/senior managers. Those of us, who are passively watching and saying nothing are also part of the problem.
Moreover our measure of success that is skewed to wealth and respect for those who have it no matter how they got it is also a major part of the problem.
So wake up and think very deeply my country (wo)man!

Did the man not say worse, hypocrit[/b]ical things here
Africa better indeed!!!
How many [b]churches, schools, hospitals, libraries have RCCG built in Nigeria's rural places since inception to make Africa the light of the world
O soryy, I forgot that doing such will mean less people to hoodwink about witchcraft and propsperity on divine favour ONLY i.e. no hardwork and thrift

FBS:
does any one know the update on the subject matter?

* Naval panel report submitted to Presidency
** Civil damages court case adjourned till Feb. 23. I hope these LASU students will mobilise and rally for solidarity on that day at the venue.

By God's grace, this barbaric, bestial behaviour WILL STOP.
NEVER AGAIN in 21st century Nigeria!!!