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HBB1:
You don't have to be rude you know.
It is very bad taste.

About RPGs, you only need to look up pictures (or videos) of Abram Tanks in Yemen destroyed by RPGs (RPG 27 or 29).

With bad tactics and with the right weapons, your beloved Abrams is screwed!

It is the same with any other tank.

So I maintain my stance about the Javelin.

I don't know why people arue making a fuss out of this. Like you said, no tanks are immune to destruction or damage. However, some are much more resilient to damage or destruction compared to others.

railone:
like I said you talk too much....

When was France considered captured, wasn't it the fall of Paris. Same for Germany.
Japan surrendered, they weren't defeated.
Same with all other ways that ended that way.

Dude you don't very little idea of war fare...

You were sent pictures of the T-90 but you kept doubling down on your ignorance. Now here the � of it on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t3cva5/destroyed_t90/

watch it and then come and explain to me how the T-72 you claimed it was has a SHOART

Actually, wars are about achieving objectives. Victory and defeat in war are gauged by the objectives each sides set forth to achieve before, during, and at the end of the war, not just the capture of capitals per se.

The use of the atom bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki forced Japan into an uncontrollable surrender. When you surrender, you've been defeated. Surrender means you no longer have the capacity to fight on, meaning accepting defeat.

So when Japan surrendered, the US defeated them and thus it's objectives was achieved.

Like you rightly mentioned, defeat may include the capture of an enemy's capital seat of power, but that is not always the determining factor.

US in Vietnam and Soviet in Afghan were said to have lost those wars because at the end of war, they did not achieve their core objectives they set forth before the war.

gamechanger547:
You people put your mouth into what you don't know.

The T-90 is not just a renamed T-72, while it has the same chassis as the T-72, it has a different turret, as well as gun, engine and capabilities in general.

Are you ok now.

They have the same chassis but different turret, gun, engine etc.

I simply ask you guys to check the turret and compare but you people kept going to and fro.

You spoke about the same Ka52 which are now operating in pairs to destroy Ukraine Militarily!
They have done a lot of damage to Ukraine Militarily. Few might have been brought down but too few to change the war in Ukraine favor.

You seem to amaze me with what you put out!

Saying you take a capital eg Kyiv before you win a war? You win a war when the other party is exhausted, demoralized, degraded and they lack the ability to continue to fight.

Did turkey capture Cyprus capital before they made peace? Did UK capture Argentina capital before they surrendered Falkland islands?

France was beaten black and blue by Germany during WW2 in a month of fighting.

War is not child's play especially when you have lots of backers.

As per Su35, several are still flying over Ukraine on bombing raids likewise Su34 and almost obsolete Su24 and Su25.

Why haven't Ukraine destroyed all the Su24 and Su25 bombing them if it's that easy as you claim or say?

US lost it stealth jet which they claimed was invincible over Yugoslavia to a Soviet obsolete anti missiles system used by the Serbs and they quickly took the remaining ones out of service.( They grounded them permanently).

You people should get your facts right.

The problem with most of these guys is that they argue from an emotional point, not logical in view.

Themandator:
Mr. Russia has no war secret to give anybody key alone the US

CIA already told White House that Russian army is a third world army with good rockets
. Ukraine army chiefs believe that the West is not arming them as fast as they have requested because they are afraid they, Ukrainians, wouldn't be satisfied with pushing back Russia from their territory but going on to March to Moscow


Russia only saving grace is nuclear weapons.

Russia lost 15k men in a ten year war in Afghanistan but US that stayed for 20 years lost less than 3k.men


There is nothing about war that Russia can teach the US and Israel

You're a kid.

Themandator:
Oga, CIA met Russian army in Afghanistan and after years came to the conclusion.
If you are interested in what has been destroyed in Syria, I will let you know that Russia lost airmen and crew trying to birth their only aircraft carrier in Syria... Russia doesn't owned a functional carrier till date due to cost of production


Oga, juxtaposed with all the stories you have read about Russia, they are not there

Russia that will produce just one hardware with hype... Where is their famed t14 tanks in this war?

Do you know that us tested the validity of their claims on the t 14 tank in Syria with javelin and it destroyed the tank

Are you seriously talking about the same US that ran away from Afghanistan in a chaotic faction recently? Wasting 20 years and billions of tax payers money and thousands of lives lost only for same Taliban to take over power?

What nonesense are you yapping? You go to war and you expect you won't lose men and hardware? Who have ever gone to war and didn't lose men and hardware? Answer me.

The US in all its might were beating black and blue in Vietnam, with planes fallen from the skies like flies. No matter how powerful you are, you surely lose men and hardware in wars. Argue like a sensible man.

T-14 is the best tank in the Russian inventory at the moment, but that doesn't mean it's immune to counterattacks or destruction. Even the German Leopard, the best in its prime and time were destroyed left and right by Soviet forces. And who told you it was destroyed by Javelin? Were you among the terrorist?

Juxtapose what? If Russia's weapons are not working, how was Assad able to turn the tides around?

Guy, I hope you're not one of these little kids you argue based on emotions devoid of facts and logical reality.

railone:
alaye.. Turkey jettisoned F-35 for S-400.. Guy! if you no lie you go die?
Just asking for friend.

Russia can detect stealth.. Na so
una go dey hype hype hype... small missile, e go fall hand. una go come dey run around dey find cover story to explain why

S-400 is crap. Quote me anytime anywhere. Until it has proven its capabilities in a combat environment. Then it doesn't deserve a mention

Sorry, I thought I was discussing with someone capable of sound reasoning, my bad.

Themandator:
Russian army is a third world army with good Rocket... CIA

Same third-world army that destroyed US Terrorist pet project in Syria, handed much of the country's control back to Assad. Neutralize 37 out of 51 cruise missiles fired by the US into Syria, and took Crimea without firing a single shot, and is currently partitioning Europe's second biggest country into two.

If that's the definition of a third-world army, I would like my country Nigeria to be just even half of that, and nobody would have to worry about Boko Haram and herdsmen anymore.

Themandator:
https://wstale.com/world/russian-state-tv-declares-world-war-three-has-started-after-sinking-of-moskva/

These media people should stop giving people hypertension. Shuooo!!

Themandator:
Before now, whenever any military issue was raised here I have alway states it that humans not machine win wars... You can have all the armada in the US army and still lose the war if you don't have real men


Example I always cite is Israel that shit down five Russian MiG jet in three minutes through the proper use of their brain

Read what the Ukrainians did here, they distracted the war ship using cheap drones then hammered it to the ground

Thinkers win war not machins

Can you post verifiable info on the drones being used to distract the ship and the Neptune's flying to it? Just wondering.

smallrincowis16:
Thanks bro, I am only being sarcastic to come down to their level of reasoning.
I know cities and regions are already liberated like izyum, popasnaya, melitopole but MSM will never let them see that except Russia loses

Whenever Ukraine scores a bit, the MSM hypes it to high heaven to make their sheepies look confident and zombified from seeing the real truth that Ukraine is being devastated. But allow them to bask in their ignorance.

boyfrank:
The s400 covers Syria and yet isreal constantly bombards both Syrian and Iranian forces there. Dude, s400 in Ukraine is only doing well against the Ukrainian Jersey because they are soviet era tech. It haven't been tested against modern American or even Swedish supersonic jets.

Russia and Israel have an understanding over Syria. Moreover, just as Israel doesn't what to see an Iranian military force deployed near it's borders in Syria, so too Russia doesn't want an Iran with too much influence in Syria. Just last Saturday here, the Israeli Prime Minister was in Russia to see Putin, and is the same Syria issue. So get that.

My friend, if a NATO country could jettisoned a stealth fighter program it has invested in considerably to purchase a defense weapon from the bloc's supposed arch rival, that should tell you that the S-400 is highly credible.

The Turks saw its capability in Syria where it was "painting" all US planes flying over the Euphrates and that include the F-22s in stealth mode flying to and fro the Icirlik airbase in Turkey. They went for the best. Simple. Uncle Sam knew it too and that is why it's threatening to sanction anyone that wants to buy it. But no one gives a damn what uncle Sam thinks anymore. India bought it, China was the first, Algeria have ordered it, Egypt, Qatar, and even Saudi Arabia wants it. These are countries with military intelligence of their own. They have heard and confirmed the capability of the S-400. Besides, Russia have a history of capable defense systems.

smallrincowis16:


It seems you are back to your vomit. You clearly mentioned that sadam was topple within 10days maybe you should check up, and I remixed you sadam was topple not by USA but by allied forces which should tell you Aremica are media tiger except you show me any evidence portraying otherwise.

ThankGod you said the war was wrong in the first place, but to show how great America was why didn't they refuse allied help like Russia is doing at least they can call upon CIS no matter how small they are.

You are still making the same mistake IRAQ would never have be Superior militarily to Ukraine in any circumstance. ONE Ukraine has Soviet experience in manufacturing arms/heavy ammunitions which Iraq doesn't, TWO Ukraine is in Europe and can benefit from advance technology ether stolen or legitimately gotten from Russia and Europe cos o the nearness.

Well it's only senseless being that will want Russia to do what US usually do in any of it's war, US killed more than 10000 civilians in the first week of US-IRAQI war, yet within six weeks of Russia operation there are less than 2000 confirmed civilian death. His is enough to be the best military in the world nobusn brutalities to claim victory.

Mind you Russia has the firepower to level the whole Ukraine in the first week without putting any personel- 2000 calibers + 50 iskander is enough to level whole of kyiv and lyviv but chose otherwise cos that's not Putin's goal, his main aim is to liberate dombass and weaken Ukrain militarily and he's on the verge of that.

To compare how powerful US/NATO force is to Russia, first look at the war in Afghanistan, Afghanistan government were maintained when Russia/USSR was present even till about two years after USSR left in the face of open support of the mujahedeen by the US with weapons, compare to the government the whole NATO trained,nurtured,armed,financed, yet succumbed to ragtag Taliban without open support of weapons after 20years of NATO presence horror
SECOND how could you say Russia has no lived to expectation when Ukraine is being financed,armed and even supported with economic/media war against Russia by about 32 NATO countries? It only show how unfair and bias you guys are

You're one of the few elightened ones. So many dimwits here are used to US carpet bombing style of war hence they tag any other style as failure. With just150,000 troops, the Russian army despite some glaring logistical mistakes and dissonance has calved the Ukrainian army made up of nearly 500,000 strong active forces into bits and besieged in strategic cities across the land. This is Europe's biggest country after Russia, and the area the Russians have besieged so far is as big as the UK. Yes, Russia forces made mistake most from sheer overconfidence and logistics deadlocks which resulted in significant troop and hardware losses. But this methodical war strategy is something not seen or common in modern warfare theatre. Even some western intelligence analyst took note of this exceptional trend, calling it a challenge for western military planners. But kids here who reason from media standpoint and emotionally blind to logical analysis are quick to shout about failure from their Hollywood influenced voice. The truth is, a methodical war of this nature is definitely bound to be the hardest. In spite of some of the setbacks, I'm surprised the Russians are still keeping to this style.

Igbofam:
Help your ignorance some more. You see a lot of you Russian Zombies can be so proudly pathetic that it's almost shocking to see grown ass supposedly educated people unable to utilize their brains.

Those tanks are T.72 series.

Krismas:
I just wanted to feed u wit ur regular feeding bottle CNN I didn’t say I believed it. I was standing in the bank yesterday wen their TV showed CNN quoting Pentagon confirming ONE EXPLOSION on Moskva. That’s why I asked u, HOW CAN TWO MISSILES CAUSE ONE EXPLOSION?

Common sense bro. You get am.

railone:
Go and check your Russian records since you're good at copy and paste you'll see that the T-90 has been used in Ukraine and a couple of them have been destroyed.

More advanced and powerful and they can't still withstand small javelins. tell me something else abeg

T-90 used in Ukraine are small compared to the T-72. Moreover, the T-90 has versions.

MrSensor:
you talk as if you have anything made in Russia.

What senseless comment is this? Some of the things you eat, even the Pampers of your children contains products from Russia and Ukraine.

neuf:
The T-90 has been destroyed in Ukraine. T-14 rn is just a parade equipment. Su-57 that they don't even have up to a squadron of it just test platform.
Who uses a long range bomber when Ukraine is just next door.
Lol... man just be listing equipment that mostly don't have combat operation clearance

Ignorance.

boyfrank:
Many of those newer equipments you mentioned only exists in Russia's propaganda or have not been fully tested. The s-400 is Russia's bragging right. If it fails in Ukraine eh, that will be billions in potential sales down the drain. They wouldn't want to risk it, especially now that US stealth missiles like harpoons are in Ukraine already. Moreover, it will be a good opportunity for US and NATO to develop battle strategies against Russian latest technologies from the distance of their own borders.
Sometimes I feel as if western nations tricked Putin into invading Ukraine and he took the bait.

Those weapons are real, not propanganda, as you would want to believe. Most have been tested in this conflict but has not been used predominantly.

The S-400 for example proved it's capability when the S-400 anti-aircraft missile deployed in Belarus directly shoot down a Ukrainian Su-27 fighter jet over Kyiv at a distance of 150 kilometers and a huge meteor shower appeared over Kyiv. It created a new long-distance record for shooting down enemy aircraft in actual combat by anti-aircraft missiles.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russia-s-s-400-missile-system-gains-first-blood-in-ukraine-su-27-shot-down-150km-away-reports

The Russians can detect stealth, that is the main reason Turkey jettisoned the F-35 and instead opted for the S-400 due to what they saw happened in Syria. So the Harpoons are hardly a threat in that regard.

Why I would have loved to see more of these weapons being used, I also want this war to end quickly before it escalate out of hand. Moreover, there are talks that the US and NATO have sent covert guys over to Ukraine to study Russian war secrets. Who knows? Maybe that's why the Russians are hesitant to use some of their modern weapons predominantly. Whatever, war is bad.

NairaMaster1:
What's this one saying? May be you did not know Russia has been on this since 2016.

The same US crippled Iraq, the 4th largest army of then in 5 days and captured Saddam with minimal accidental civillian casualty.

Has Russia won any war? Only to be killing civillians. They have lost a lot of men and equipment. They ran away from Afghanistan.

Like you rightly said war is no joke. That is why I want the war to stop.

You probably watched the back of your television.

It took the United States six months to plan Operation Desert Storm, and another one month to execute it with the help of it's ally Britain. They carpet bombed Bahgdad killing hundreds of thousands of women, children, elderlies, even fowls, goat, and cattles are not spared, not the stupid minimal civilian casualties claim you're making here. Russia's war on Ukraine is completely different from US Baghdad war style. The US even thought that Russia would go the Baghdad style (like they did in Aleppo) hence, they offered to evacuate Zelensky in the first week of the SMO. But they were surprised the Russians did not. The only city in Ukraine that currently has the slightest resemblance to Baghdad style of bombing is Mariupol, and that is largely due to the fact that criminal Azov and UAF forces were using people as human shields and positioning their artilleries in civilian infrastructures.

Lmao. The Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan was more orderly than the chaotic US Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan where they lost 10 soldiers needlessly to terror attacks on the last day and the Taliban swept back into power as the ran away with their tail in between their legs. Same Taliban they ousted from power swept back into power like a tornado,rendering a 20 years effort that cost thousands of lives and billions of taxpayers money useless.

The Russians will achieve their objectives in Ukraine but at the cost of lives and hardware. The fact remain war is not easy.

JohnBullMySon:
Not in support of what the police did but. are you saying that in Nigeria, if you struggle for a policeman's gun you won't be shot?

If yes, then go and try it with the nearest policeman to you.

Don't be ridiculous. You watched the video, right? The officer aggravated the situation from start to finish. A non racist and professional officer with strong ethics would immediately douse the tension and deescalate the situation the moment he noticed the apprehension on the young man. This is one Blackman among many who have witnessed the murder of unarmed blackmen across the country in recent years, and very few wouldn't be apprehensive when they come in contact with the law.

And his fear was justified. The murderous officer never deescalated even though he could have done so easily. Rather, he went on the offensive. And the worst was when he shot the man.

Yes, the young man grabbles with the teaser, not the officer's gun.

When the young man was pinned down, with his face to the ground and his back to the officer, he had a second chance to deescalate or at least minimize the use of force even as he reached for his gun. He could have shot the man on the leg to immobilized him, but no; he just put his gun to the back of his head and fired straight without a second thought. That was cold blooded murder of someone that is not armed, except you're blind to reality.

Fact: if that young man was white, the chances that he still would have been alive is 85-100. But once a black man is involved, the police hardly missed an opportunity to kill.

Only plantation nig*ass defends this kind of cold blooded murder.

ken6488:
lol how can the flag ship of the black sea don't carry nuke

I could be wrong but there were no nukes reported to be onboard.

onegig:
Anyone who has followed this would know Russia was just giant on paper with nukes and extreme corruption. They just think throwing bodies and mass of equipment is what wins war in the 21st century.

Look at the best car they have been able to produce? The Lada, absolute contraption like something from 1930.

Hopefully this tells war should show Nigerian Politicians to stop Investing billions into reviving Ajaokuta, that thing was a junk built by Russians. 2 Trillion naira would not bring that ish back. Rather cut our losses and scrap the metal and move on.


Hopefully all these fan boys of Russia mouthing off here would go get some work and reposition their lives. Wish Nairaland would just ban those trolls.

It's corruption that killed Ajaokuta steel, not Russia. Give that steel to Dangote and wash it co.es back to life. Anything your government touches dies in corruption. Blame your government, not Russia.

Asour:
That US ship you refer to is a WW2 relic in a display type museum currently seeking funding for care.

You probably didn't even read the story.

I read it. And that is why I used it as an example because it is old. Old things generate problem.s.on their own.

ken6488:
What if there was nukes on it

I don't think that ship was designed to carry nukes.

LordReed:
I think warships should be mainly used for interdiction that is to prevent an area from being used. As Ukraine had no Navy ships the Russian ship had no real purpose other than a show of force which made it even more of a sitting duck.

I think you are very correct. The ships were just blockading Ukraine from all corners.

texazzpete:
Bad weather + night + sea skimming cruise missile = potent combo.

But keep telling yourself the Russians are so incompetent that they allowed fire to break out and go out of control…on one of their major military assets

Guy, incidents happens. A US Navy ship has been deliberately set on fire by one of their own, and the incompetency of the remaining crew made it impossible to save the ship, which the navy was forced to decommission. You think warship is like ordinary house? That thing is loaded with fumes, chemicals and liquids that are highly resistant to fire. Not to mention bombs and avionics that burns like hell.

tonididdy:
U see... Them turn internal fire outbreak as a missle attack.


I already crossed my mind, if the news isn't from rt.come I ain't believing

so if rt no air am, you no go believe? The ship sunk really.

ocelot2006:
On the highlighted paragraph, I think you're wrong. Russia never had any intention of taking over the whole Ukrainian territory from the very start. You only have to look at the number of troops involved (200,000 only) from the onset, and even the type of troops. Ukraine is MASSIVE. In my opinion, decapitating the leadership at Kyiv was indeed an objective, but that changed from week 2/3, hence the change in strategy. If the Russians are able to liberate the remaining Donbass territories from the administrative line of control to Russia's western borders, then they've achieved one of their objectives. If they're able to capture Dnipro, destroy the Ukrainian forces in the Cauldron and hold off any counter attack from western Ukraine, then it's another plus for them as they would've successfully divided Ukraine between East and West. Throw in the Naval blockade, and Ukraine will honestly be screwed economically.

The size of the land the Russians have besieged already in the east of the country is as big as the UK, and they did it with just 150,000 troops and not all of them are involved at the same time in the fight. A good proportion of that rotates from their base in Belarus.

tonididdy:
You know people are so gullible they would believr anything.

My sitting room will house 3 of the Ukrainian "16ft" vessels... You tell me a single missile from her hit a 600ft long ship and sunk her.

lol..... Next!

Ukraine did nada. That ship has its own problem and died by it. Uki just claim glory.

ajerimitan:
That ship has the capacity to destroy 75percent of Ukraine in 25minutes. I don't believe a slow missile can breach its automatic spotting radar. Even projectiles in stealth mode don't have a chance at it. How much more smaller vessels whose job is to protect the king Markova along side submarines

People are just being ignorant. Ukraine did nothing here.

smallrincowis16:
Are you intentionally being deluded?
You claim US topple Iraq in 10 days, was it done by US or allied forces?, Can you tell me one war US has won alone?? Even it's not 10 days it was about three weeks where did you get your source??

You also claim ukrain is week? You really mean a country producing almost half it's weapon is week compare to a country buying all it's weapon? You must have been misled out of this world.
Are you comparing ukrain that's being armed every minutes to Iraq which doesn't have any alternative??

I think you don't have a shame at all by regurgitation what's MSM is telling you, yes, Russia has not taking a city at all but what's the use of a city without friendly citizen? They can't bear to bombard ukrain like US does in all it's warscos they are faternal brothers. You can check how many people were killed in the first week of US campaign in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Libya and compare to casualties of civilians in Ukraine at present. So much for world power,���

Kherson and Mariupol are now under Russian control.

Kingsteve:
The longer the war lasts, the more depleted Putin's army.
Ukraine have nothing to lose anymore.
It's tactical...you may not fully understand.

And as for Ukraine, they will get support from US and EU for the rebuilding process.
You can take this statement to the Bank!

Don't get your dream high. Nobody will build Ukraine for Ukraine. They are just using Zelensky as a pawn. Once Russia succeeded in splitting the country, which is what this phase two is looking at, the Ukraine you know today won't be the same tomorrow. And the west will continue their business as usual.