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Balogunodua:
Of course, Obeideince40 needs to calm down and agree to this new reality


But then again will it be possible with the Carrier operating far from the shore.

The US has gamed these type of scenario several times and the result is always the same: some drones always went through the layered defenses.

Nonetheless, if the carrier is operating far away from shore, the lesser the drone swarm success rate would become. But again, that would be almost impossible to achieve.because, carrier strike groups are designed to stay close within the geographical proximity of their target. And this will depend on if the enemy had advanced defenses.

If the enemy has little to no defense, the carrier can sit say a 100 to 200 miles away from the enemy's coastline. In theory, a carrier can sit and strike thousands of miles away from an enemy's shoreline, but the further away from the shore the lower the sorties and ordinances it can drop. Plus, it would have to expend huge refuelling assets for a very small strike force.

sainttwist1:
loooool......are you doing it for argument sake or from reality point of view.

bro, you are talking about a carrier group with ships and at least 40-70 types of different aircraft, with early warning systems, defensive/offensive weapon, different radars etc.

what type of drone are you talking about?, how many country operates long rage droned with ability to carry missiles that can penetrate carrier group defense or sink a ship.


for argument sake: it is possible
with current reality: no

You seem to know better than the US military that is now actively developing it's own drone swarm capability.

Brother, any surface ship, be it carrier strike groups or not, are not immune from drones and missile swarms, notwithstanding their defense capabilities.

Obedience40:
still the same thing how dose a drone armed with missiles comes within firing range of USA navy carrier battle group, without it being detected and destroyed


😂😂😂😂😂😂

You seem so obsessed with carriers in so much that you're now contracting yourself.

You admitted in one of your replies that a drone swarm would definitely score some hits, and when fired from closer proximity, that likelihood of success increases because the said carrier group would have fewer time to react. Talk more of when the drones are stealthy, fast, and coming from different directions. The scenario could even be more terrifying if majority of those drones carries missiles. The carrier group would have a hell of a time intercepting those missiles released by the drones because, the initial interceptor missiles would be targeted at the drone itself, not the missile it might carries and releases, further enhancing the chances of success. Then you have to deal with the suicide ones themselves coming alongside from air and on water. It's not a scenario any navy would wants to experience.

No surface ship is immune to a drone swarm, and that's the bottom line.

Vic2023:
Denmark has no legal right to restrict shipping in the Baltic Sea, the Tages-Anzeiger newspaper reports.

According to her, the Baltic straits, which are primarily discussed, belong to international waters and are in equal use of all states.

I laugh out loud reading Denmark contemplating limiting Russian ships transiting the Baltic sea. It would give Russia the legitimate right to target and destroy their ships at sea with Russian subs. If they think NATO would come to their aid, then I have a mountain to sell them.

Masterviolence:
The joke is on you, because the last time i cheacked, not all drones are suicide drones.

Some drones carries missles

Plus some drones are stealthy, making them highly difficult to detect thereby doubling the possibility of realizing the close proximity target we are talking about.

Masterviolence:
He's emotionally dysregulated now that the facts are too numerous to dispute.

Facts are facts especially when they define the reality of something.

Masterviolence:

You still don't get it.
I believe you're not myopic.
I think you obviously lack the cognitive propensity to fathom the subject of discourse.

What Appleyard is saying, is in conjuction with what i told you yesterday.
There's no defensive system that can score a 100% defensive rate when swarmed in close proximity with advance drones.

The reason for the introduction of EWS as a protective layer is to prevent the exhaustion of interceptor missle while simultaneously doing the interception, but this doesn't defect the obstacle of swarming itself.

Exactly. You just summarize what I was trying to pass on to him.

Masterviolence:

I'm talking about an Hybrid system and this on is talking about diesel.

How can a tesla that's charged by a portable electricity generator make more noise when driving on it batteries than a V12 ferrari F50.

How did I end up conversing with this kind of people.

You haven't seen anything.

Obedience40:
Modified
how dose a Soviet era kilo sub more stealthier than a nuclear sub.
😂😂😂😂😂

The idea of as Sub is to remain undetected,
how dose a diesel engine/electric sub more stealthier than a Sub powered by a nuclear propulsion system.

a diesels sub will emit more noise than a nuclear powered sub, thus can't be more stealthier, nuclear power Subs were developed to increase their undetectability

online naval war expert.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

It's clear you don't understand the dynamics of submarines and their different designs. Nuclear powered subs are not quieter than Diesel or electric subs just because they are powered by nuclear fuel.

You don't have to type anything just because you have nothing to type.

Nuclear powered subs are more detectable than Diesel and electric powered subs. The infrared signature of a nuclear power plant is detectable in nearly all sea states due to the thermal structure of wave patterns. Close to the ocean floor, the cooling-water intake on SSNs could be prone to collecting contaminants. In contrast, today’s hconventional submarines like the diesel and electric subs are extremely quiet, with very low infrared and magnetic signatures. When powered by Li-ion batteries and AIP
propulsion, those submarines can operate at patrol-quiet state or sit on the seabed for several weeks without surfacing.

The main edge of a Nuclear powered sub over the rest is their ability to dive deeper and remain under water for many months and years if possible, and is great for power projection.

I have come to see that you have a knack for just "type something" even though it's incorrect, lack research, or purely illogical. That's very bad.

Only get involve in topics you're certain you know and adequately researched.

Obedience40:
you don't have to be impulsive, you can easily pass your points without being so paranoid.

You said 9 submarine, in the last ten years
appleyard said 29 submarines in the last ten years

who am I going to believe now.

Gad damnit! I said 40 surface ships and 24 submarines. Don't say what I did not say. Go back to the earlier post, please.

Masterviolence:

Appleyard, you just reminded me of this stupid comment from an ignoramus.

Between Mr Gazprom and this guy, i don't know who's the best at falsifying stats to suit his narrative.
Lets say the west gave you the life that you're currently living, but being able to designate between right from wrong or between good and evil doesn't make you less of a human.

In the last ten years russia has commissioned 9 nuclear submarines.
4 Yesen-class nuclear submarines.
5 Borei-class nuclear submarines.

Yesen-class nuclear submarines.
1. K-560 Severodvinsk project: 885
Commission date: 17 June 2014
Status: Active

2. K-561 Kazan project: 885M
Commission date: 5 May 2021
Status: Active

3. K-573 Novosibirsk project: 885M
Commission date: 21 December 2021
Status: Active

4. K-571 Krasnoyarsk project: 885M
Commission date: 11 December 2023
Status: Active

Notable mention:
5. K-564 Arkhangelsk project: 885M Commission date: Before the end of 2024
Status: Floated

There are currently 4 yesen-class nuclear submarines under constrution.

Borei-class nuclear submarines
1. K-551 Vladimir Monomakh project: 955
Commission date: 19 December 2014
Statu: Active

2. K-549 Knyaz Vladimir project: 955А
Commission date: 12 June 2020
Status: Active

3. K-552 Knyaz Oleg project: 955А
Commission date: 21 December 2021
Status: Active

4. K-553 Generalissimus Suvorov. Project:955А
Commision date: 29 December 2022
Status: Active

5. K-554 Imperator Aleksandr lll project: 955А
Commission date: 11 December 2023 Status: Active

Notable mention:
6. K-555 Knyaz Pozharskiy. project: 955А
Commission date: Before the end of 2024
Status: Launched

There are currently 2 Borei-class submarines underconstruction.

Putin signed a degree some years ago to increase and modernize the russian navy and i believe what they're doing is to build and commission every weapon on their inventory even of it is 2units yearly.
That being said, russia has commissioned over a dozen diesel-electric submarines like the kilo-class submarines which are more stealther than nuclear submarines but their only downside is rage.

I pray one day you find redemption.

I believe he is deliberately ignorant.

Obedience40:
I honestly can't see anything on the internet on Russia having built and receive 40surface ship's and 24 Subs.
post the link so we can read it also.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-navy-now-trying-make-ultimate-comeback-208994
Here is a link, and is from a western source..

Obedience40:
seems you love fiction movies, explain to me how a swamp of drones would come so close to a Carrier group with out it been destroyed halfway, what are the early detection radars for? The AWACS aircraft what are they meant for, the satellite and the land based radar facilitate what are they meant for? there are different level of countermeasure a Carrier battle group uses and the first is "deterrence" destroying targets before they come within range of the strike group.

when Iran launch it wave of drones and ballistic missiles, how many got into Israeli airspace, 80 percent were intercepted in transit, same would happen, when a wave or swamps of drones is fired. The carrier and it's escorts powerful radars pick it the moment dose drones becomes airborne, there over combine force of over 50 plus jets and attack helos are scrambled to attack and intercept the targets, the destroyers ships surface to air missiles SAM'S like the TOMAHAWK long range cruise missiles are activated they track and start engaging those drones, they are also anti drone countermeasure like jamming the drone signal.

you carefully left the is part of early detection, according to your reasoning, a swamp of over 100 drones, would magically evade radar detection fly in mass for many miles and appear on the door step of a aircrafts carrier.

Early detection is one thing, how many drones you can engage simultaneously in a matter of minutes is another thing entirely. It's obvious you're new to this topic.

How many air defense missiles does surface ships carry in their arsenals? By the time they succeed in taking out most of the drones in the swarm, the ships might have run out of interception missiles. In a near peer scenario in the real world, facts have proven that there is no 100% success rate of intercepting a drone swarm from close proximity, especially with advanced drones both at sea and in the air. The Ukraine war should be your eye-opener. The damage the Shaheeds and Lancets have done to Ukraine is there for all to see, and we are talking about a battlefield with one of the most policed and contested air and sea space in modern warfare history. Talk about NATO's "All seeing eye" and OSINT, alongside Ukraine's capable air defenses, which offers a formidable multilayered air coverage for the Ukraine. Still, Mr Lancet and Sultan Shaheed always find their way to their targets.

Citing Iranian drone attack on Israel is a weak argument. A coalition of countries had to come together to help intercept those drones that were flying from 1200 km from their launch sites in Iran, giving Israel many hours of a heads-up ahead. In fact, it would have been a complete failure on Israel and the coalition part had they failed to take down the drones because, not only do they have the quantity of the right interception assets but many hours ahead to prepare. Moreover, the long distance and the single flight path they were flying gave the coalition a predictable and one-way flight path to map and take them out. But take the Hezbollah scenario for instance, many of their drones have caused and still causing havoc in Israel as we speak. Even the US you're talking about is now developing their own drone swarm capability, with the "protection" of Taiwan in mind. If it doesn't and won't work, why venture into it. It works and could cause serious damage to any country' surface ships no matter the strength of that country. Ukrainian drones both at sea and air based have recorded some success against Russia's sea based military and civilian assets, despite the Russian formidable defense and EW capabilities.

Take it or leave it, drone and AI driven missile capabilities are the Hallmark of current and future of modern conventional warfare.

Procashtips:


So them no even reach Alimosho LG?

For where?

Vl3ly:
❗️🇷🇺🇮🇳 The Cabinet of Ministers approved a draft agreement between the Russian Federation and India on the procedure for sending military units, warships and military aircraft

Mishustin instructed the Ministry of Defense with the participation of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to hold negotiations with India and sign the corresponding document.

Alliance formation gradually and subtly unfolding before our eyes. The path to WW3 has been set and the countdown timer has begun. How speedy that would be would hugely depend on the outcome of the US elections come November.

WriteerNg:
⚡German economy minister is in China, but the Chinese prime minister does not want to meet him and cancels the meeting.

Habeck advocates for tariffs to punish Chinese exports.

Sfe how all of them are shamelessly running to China. It shows how China has become so relevant in the economic sphere.

WriteerNg:
⚡Saudi’s moves away from the Dollar and the US media decides to blame them for 9/11.

So quick? The blackmail has begun.

Procashtips:
Because absolute power corrupts

Ditto: The US.

Once power is concentrated in the hands of few countries, they tend to misuse it.

I see your point.

obedience4:
in the last 10 years Russia has built just 4 nuclear submarine, and over 7 surface ships
I don't really get your logic
if Russia navy doctrine was all about deterrence like the NK navy then they should be building and having more subs,and stop having Surface ship been built.

even the USA with its massive aircraft Carrier fleets, has a more decent sub marine fleet than Russia.

Honestly. I sometimes wonder if you have a problem with comprehension. Sorry, I don't mean to be rude.

The discussion is on "Fleet Carriers," which is different from conventional surface ships. You have this knack of bouncing from one irrelevant topic to another, and going around in circles. Masterviolence was well aware of surface ships before replying to our earlier mentions on carriers So stick to that for Christ sake.

Like I said in my initial reply to you, carriers are great for power projection and reach, but they remain the fattest targets among all military assets. This is basic knowledge.

The US. Russia, and Chinese choice of carrier numbers depends on their respective foreign policy and geopolitical ideology. The US Navy is built around the principle of a superpower nation with global dominion as its objectives, hence the large number of fleets in its current arsenals to realize that objective. Russia (and to some extent, China,) on the other hand, focus on regional geopolitical realities, particularly within the periphery of the formal Soviet space as it's core sphere of interest. If you study China, it carrier groups are increasing as it's economic power grows and stretches rapidly across different continents. But, its main focus is still within asia. So it all depends on what is of paramount interest to their foreign policy.

That said, for the past ten years, the Russian navy has received 40 surface ships and 24 submarines, compared to the previous decade. So. Your point on that was wrong.

Masterviolence:
Watch him come up with a lengthy write-up filled with gibberish explanations.

In this era, the development of carriers has a lot of disadvantages than the advantages they provide.

Any serious country will know that the development of advance submarines and hypersonic missiles is the utmost priority, because this is the true game changer in an all out war

You can also fathom in drone technology. Imagine a swarm of drone targeted at a carrier strike group? Scores would definitely be recorded. The modern era will live in has changed due to the unprecedented leap in missile, drone, and AI technology. For example, sea-based drone boats are a menace to modern surface ships just as their air compatriots are difficult to intercept. It is only kids that still believe modern warfare is like what Rambo and Comando movies were where big ships and one man soldier can easily destroy a country.

StudyBarn:
You are an idiot! Nothing with mass can travel faster than the speed of light. The word sonic typically indicates SOUND!!! . I know this is a Nigerian forum but TF! The rampant idiocy and inability to understand basic concepts by this clown and the other clown is just plain mind boggling.

Your willingness to declare yourself 'smart' despite your obvious ignorance, unending tomfoolery and lack of basic understanding of issues is quite insane and definitely amusing.

You are here to counter the pro-Kremlin narratives which I'd admit put their on slant on things but you do this in a rambling, off-tangent and deeply moronic way. It is also altitude (height) btw

Sometimes I wonder aloud how he reasons and comprehend issues. Is just mind boggling.

WrriterNg:
⚡The New Axis Alliance has now risen in the World, with a similar Treaty between Russia and North Korea with China and Iran likely to be Imminent.

Alliance formation is a precursor to war. History never failed to repeat itself. Terrible times ahead.

Procashtips:
I ask again, what's their total number? Both the population and their armed personnel?

You may want to ask Oshodi LGA authorities.

Vic2023:
❗️🇪🇪🇺🇦 Estonia is ready to discuss sending its troops to Ukraine

This was stated by the Estonian Ambassador in Kyiv Anneli Kolk, adding that for the country “this is not a red line.”

This local government again.

WriteerNg:
⚡Putin arrived in North Korea on a state visit, and Kim Jong Un welcomed him at the airport.

The likes of Kissinger would be shifting in their graves. Driving Russia and China into forging a near unbreakable alliance is already one of US worst strategic mistakes of the 21st century. But, driving states like NK and Iran to get access to advanced technology via mutual and strategic collaboration with perceived west enemies such as Russia and China, while pissing off traditional regional allies like the Saudis is a new low for US myopic foreign policy.

This is truly regrettable and history would be very hard against the current Biden's administration.

Fighttillvictory:
you children on geo political matter, be like una de feel say na cruise. You think brics is nig that have regional crises, gosh how will you even call soveriegn nations, region? So if nig for eg. joins with their corruption and bad quality in printing, should be given a quota? For nig, the amount that they will print won't even enter the global market because the official will bury it

Corruption is not alien to any country in the world, neither is it a Nigeria problem only. You guys are overlooking the basic facts that matters when it comes to BRICS.

You have to look at what are the goals and objectives of BRICS? One of its main goals is economic cooperation and access to markets on a fair and equal basis as against the typical western global economic arrangement. And this is where nations like Nigeria comes in. Does Nigeria has the population and the market? It does. Does it have the natural resources to foster the said cross-national economic cooperation? Yes.

Furthermore, Nigeria is corrupt, no doubt, but this isn't what BRICS is concerned about. Despite Nigeria's high level of corruption, this country wields so much influence across the continent, most especially in the subsaharan region. If today Nigeria joins BRICS, be rest assured that nearly every other country in this region would join sooner than later.

That said, what Procashtips put out concerning printing of currency was just a suggested wish, not an official BRICS plan. So, I don't understand why there is so much rancour about Nigeria joining BRICS.

WrriterNg:
⚡Romanian Fans Chanted “Putin!” During Romania vs Ukraine at the Euros

Romania won the game 3-0

Football can be very humiliating sometimes.

Procashtips:
Another thing BRICS should do when they end up with their own currency is to make sure that not one country is allowed to print the currency. Every region must have the ability to print part of the quotas needed per year.

Meaning if they must print 100 trillion BRICS currency and 10 regions make up the membership of BRICS, then they must print in 10 different regions but shared according to the population of each region.

Hm. Why do you suggest they take this approach?

WrriterNg:
Oh so now it's USSR?

Defined double standards.

Procashtips:
Hear what this Bi-polar woman is saying.

When shit hits the fan now, it would be Italy running first.

What exactly is Italy strong at currently?

Football.

ulaeto:
Writtng, vl3, Appleyard and co Weldone for apt reports and analysis.. I've been inactive here for a while.. i observed the guy above me there is kinda super active-restless and unfixed, abeg who's this new guy abeg, he's spamming this nice thread with kangaroo analysis up & down.. make una help me beg am for us abeg.

Mr, obedience if you're reading this, pls try find something else do na biko.. God bless you!!

The majority of those guys are simply delusional and unwilling to tell themselves the truth.

WriteerNg:
⚡Germany blocks sanctions on Russian gas.

European Union countries failed Friday to agree on fresh sanctions against Russia’s lucrative liquefied natural gas sector, according to six EU diplomats, with Germany blocking the deal on the eve of an international peace conference on Ukraine on Saturday.

The crux of the package was to ban countries from re-exporting Russian LNG from EU ports and financing planned Arctic and Baltic LNG terminals.

“Once upon a time, it was said that we should always blame … Hungary — and now it’s Germany,” said one diplomat familiar with discussions on the package, referring to Hungary’s habit of blocking earlier packages of sanctions.

The latest German blockage came as G7 leaders held summit talks in Italy, joined by top EU officials. They were expected to issue a strong statement on trade with China that would also criticize Beijing for providing so-called dual-use equipment that aids Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine.

The sanctions on the table were to have been a 14th package backed by EU member countries since Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Berlin was worried about broadening a measure that would force EU companies to ensure their customers cannot then sell sanctioned goods on to Moscow.

Previously, the so-called no-Russia clause had only applied to firearms, battlefield items and dual-use goods — which have both a military and civilian application. Germany worried its small businesses would suffer if this was expanded to more civilian products, like chemicals, or machinery for metalworking.

When you're big, you're big.