₦airaland Forum

gidgiddy:
How do you know if you will win or lose unless you fight?

I was taking a cue from your post about having the heart to fight, you had not talked about other considerations aside the heart to fight.

gidgiddy:
The point is not winning or losing, the point is having the heart to fight at all

....so if you are asked to go fight again and lose, you are prepared to lose 30 million lives all because you have the heart to fight?

When chestbeating and running their mouths, it is always we IPOB can conquer the world bla, bla bla, even when other Nigerians including Igbos are correcting them, they'd insult everyone.

Immediately they get messed up with their foolishness just like this period it has been proven that they and their leader are cowards, they start bringing Igbos into their silly noise, same Igbos they were insulting earlier but want to use them to get unnecessary pity.

IPOB please fight your battle and leave Igbos out of it.

mrvitalis:
Still alive ...he has his own problem ...I don't agree with his methods
But his better than your family combined

As usual

gidgiddy:
The American civil war happened over 100 years Before the Nigerian civil war, yet, the American civil war is thought in Schools as part of history lessons

The reasons some parts of Nigeria do not want to talk about the civil war is because is because it would expose "one Nigeria" as the fraud it is

You are actually right because if history is taught in schools, everyone would know who actually fought for "one Nigeria" so vigorously when others were sceptical and never wanted it. Unfortunately it is those who fought for one Nigeria then that are blaming others today.

mrvitalis:
You can't burry that war ....we the new generation of Igbo's would speak if the issues that lead to the war are not addressed

This time it won't be easy ...no where in Nigeria would be safe ...designing a missile that would shot down sultan palace from nsukka won't take more than few weeks oooh

Na just kalu I blame ...if he is serious we for know

Chest beating as usual, Kanu said worse and where is he?

Rossinkki:
You couldn't spend 3 days in Somalia before BEGGING to be returned to Nigeria.

Why replying him to make him start feeling important, you should just let him be next time

wirinet:
You clamour for some ego caressing. well my people are not known for caressing anyone's ego, we tell you the brutal truth, whether you like it or not.

What's the socio political demeanour of Ndigbo? When Biafra existed for a brief 2 and a half years, was it not ruled as an absolute dictatorship? Was Ojukwu not an absolute dictator, even worse than Gowon? Could anyone politician or militarily officer challenge Ojukwu without consequences? Someone that killed 4 of his top Generals during a war. Kim Jong Un would have been a learner to Ojukwu had Biafra stood.

What of Kanu's concept of Biafra? Is it not an absolute dictatorship? Will anyone be able to question kanu if he is "given Biafra", with Benue and Rivers states as he demanded?
Is IPOB not being run as an absolute dictatorship? Can members ask kanu to account for donations and dues collected by the organization? What's the management structure and constitution of IPOB?

You are just living in denial. You guys have threatened time and time again here in nairaland, that dared people to go to Aba or any part of Igboland and denounce Biafra. You claim they would be lynched on the streets. Some when dared some people to go to anioma or Ikwerre and say they are not igbos.
You guys issue threats of violence up and down to people of opposing ideas and yet claim "we are Republicans " better look up the meaning of Republicans in the dictionary.

Absolutely correct, many don't understand the meaning of that word, a system our forebears used in governing themselves but IPOB wants to change it to autocracy

Rossippi:
That is an incredible, tragic story, and I believe every word of it.

I also recall a conversation with a distant uncle of mine over the Biafra issue. He was for Biafra and I was for One Nigeria, in a heated, though friendly debate over beer. Midway through our debate, he made a casual remark that startled me, to the effect that ''God save you if you go to Onitsha and say these things you're saying''.

I just replied him straight that ''all the more reason why Biafra is a bad idea, since there is no room for plurality of opinion in your little tribal republic''.

At least as a Nigerian, you can think what you like, say what you like, insult the president and leaders all you like, and nobody will disturb you.

Your uncle was right because at a point, nobody had any dissenting voice in Onitsha and you voicing your opposition to Biafra, IPOB, Kanu was almost a request to be beaten or even killed.
During that period, I kept my opinion to myself especially if in an unfamiliar environment. Those who even know you would jocularly taunt you for being in the opposition.

All you were required to do was not to express your opinion, is that how the Biafra would be run, no opposition, no questioning, just obey the last command from IPOB and Kanu? God forbid.

wirinet:
Biafra would be an absolute dictatorship country worse than North Korea.

My very good friend was jisting me on how in a bar they were discussing Biafra and Kanu with his friends. When he said he does not support Biafra or kanu, some hefty men who overheard his conversation came up to him and told him to repeat what he said. Fearing for his life, he told them up Biafra, up kanu, and they went back to their seats. He said he got up and left the place without finishing his drinks.

You can see their attitude by the amount of venom the pour on anyone who refuses to worship kanu here on nairaland.

Fact, I've even experienced such hostility especially when Kanu and his band of brainwashed miscreants were rallying about. The hostilities had reduced now, America is yet to contain North Korea and you expect it to allow Biafra, they'd just nuke the whole of Biafra once and for all.

Rossippi:
Thanks bro. I just don't get the audacity some people have to come online and claim to know where a person must come from based on his political views.

Because they base their own views strictly on their ethnic loyalties rather than on common sense, logic, and reasoning, they think everybody is like them. It's just so ignorant and primitive.

If you do not believe in Biafra or secession, then you must not be an Igbo person.

Which poll did these illiterates conduct showing that every Igbo person supports secession?

Can you imagine their effrontery?

Fascists pretending to be freedom fighters.

Can you imagine any of these ones in power in a 'Biafra'?

Won't they just kill anybody who doesn't meet their definition of who a Biafran or Igbo person is?

May their type NEVER EVER achieve any form of power in Igboland.

Amen.

Like North Korea like Biafra, God forbid.

Dedetwo:
The bolded showed you are truly ill-educated. You are a typical Nigerian who makes the most noise on a subject matter he/she knows little about.

I expected some explanation on the part you bolded but you said nothing

Rossippi:
You are a nasty, stupid, illiterate vagabond to purport to know where I am from or not from, while having absolutely no clue who I am.

Are you a clairvoyant?

Bush village dunce with mosquito brain. If you cannot debate an issue without getting personal with ad hominem attacks and claiming to know what you don't know, then GET LOST FROM HERE.

You have every right to be who you are irrespective of what these minions feel, their feelings or perception changes nothing nor rewrites your DNA.

I had stopped obliging any nitwit questioning my person nor origin all because of my political stand.

Try to ignore them next time, you own nobody no apology nor explanation.

gidgiddy:
Ojukwu seceded because Gowon failed to implement the Aburi agreement they both signed, not because of the pogrom

You are partly right, Ojukwu seceded because of several reasons.

........Gowon failing to implement the Aburi accord as you rightly said,

The ongoing pogrom in the north and the failure of the FG to stop it,

Dissolution of the former Eastern region into East Central, South Eastern and Rivers states.

It was after the dissolution of the region that Ojukwu declared Biafra because he felt he's lost control over the other two new states.

I still blame him for the inadequate preparation, no real allies and not surrendering early enough when it was obvious that he was fighting over a small enclave already surrounded by Nigeria and getting smaller by the day

DMerciful:
Is there no oil in SE?

Quoting the wrong person, did I mention anything oil in my post or are you scared quoting who did?

Rossippi:
Bro, it was the discovery of oil in large quantities in the Niger Delta in the early 1960s that led to the rise of Igbo secessionist sentiment. It is why they always include the Niger Delta region, which is non-Igbo, in their 'Biafra' maps. If they truly wanted ''self determination'' as an innocent aspiration, they would simply draw a map that was just Igboland, plus maybe a tiny land corridor leading to the sea for international trade. But no.. They include the entire delta region in 'Biafra'. It's all about oil.

Very pathetic and same nonsense IPOB is doing today though IPOB's idea is crazier, adding Delta state and Igala and Idoma as well even after being warned by these groups to desist

selemempe:
area4area....you keep creating new Monikas every day. Unemployment issue?

If you have nothing to add here because you're bereft of any idea of what is being discussed, kindly shift.

Dedetwo:
Statement in red is bore out of idiocy. It is very nice to know you can never be in position to make decision about cleaning of a gutter. The Nigeria soldiers would have seen the worst resistance ever in human history and experience the worst case of insurgence. The Nigerian soldiers were not even able to grab young ladies from the villages as any attempt was meant with forceful resistance by returned Biafran soldiers

Abegi, resistance from who exactly, why was there no resistance from those areas that had fallen to federal forces? Resistance indeed when almost all the important towns and cities had fallen to federal forces, is it the tiny enclave that Ojukwu was defending without weapons or food that would start an uprising or resistance while the people were moving from Biafran held territory to Nigerian held territory?

Yujin:
I don't blame you! You don't know what we fought for. Even your statement betrays your ignorance. Was it Ojukwu that fought or Biafrans? Those who witnessed the unwarranted pogrom in northern Nigeria had a first hand taste of hatred from their supposed compatriots and wouldn't just throw in the towel. You guys have learnt nothing from the war. Today, similar things of the 60s are happening and we are still demanding Biafra. You guys still don't understand why despite the fact that Igbos are living averagely like every other group yet, we demand Biafra. I won't waste my time explaining to you. Catalonians still demand independence despite how developed their land is. Do you wish them failure too? Are they stupid or greedy for making such demands despite all that Spain did for them. Your problem is hatred.

Who are the "'you guys" you were referring to?
Most of you feel anyone against your idea of Biafra now means that person is not Igbo.

What did YOU fight for because my late father fought on the Biafran side, did you see the war?
Northern leaders were killed in cold blood and you expected some hugs and kisses from the northerners?

You want Biafra today from the one Nigeria Igbo leaders helped in creating. You want Biafra today, why not in 1945, pre independence, 1963, 1966, why 1967? Was it because Nigerians especially northerners have learnt how to deal with the Igbos that they decided to opt out? Nonsense

Rossippi:
Again, another block head who thinks any criticism of Biafra must emanate from a non-Igbo person. You IPOBs actually think you own and control the thoughts of every Igbo person, with your little, ignorant mosquito brains?

Must be your low IQ.

Get this, you dunce. Millions of Igbos like myself do not agree with IPOB or believe in secession.

I know it hurts you to hear that. But you see, God, in his infinite wisdom, created us all with independent minds. YOU decided to subject yourself to the dictates of, and loyalty to one 'tribe' out of the earth's millions of ethnicities and nationalities, purely for your own imbecilic, irrational reasons.

There is no natural or divine law that says you must support or approve of everything the ethnic group you were born into, does. YOU chose to be that way.

No matter how much you try to make Igbos be your herd of cattle who all think the same way, it will never happen in a billion years.

And this attitude should be really scary for anyone contemplating living in a future ''Biafra''.

It is very obvious that such an entity would be a vicious dictatorial hellhole where diversity of opinion is suppressed, with dissenters hunted down and maybe even killed.

Your Biafra will be just another failed African banana republic, and it shows everyday in your primitive herd mentality/utterances on this site.

As for the rest of the garbage you typed up there, you can lie to yourself all you want. In this same Africa, the genocide of millions has occurred in various places over the past 500 years, and NOTHING happened to the perpetrators. Just as nothing would have happened if Gowon had allowed his troops to finish up the job.

YOU very likely owe your life to him. Whether you want to accept that or not is absolutely irrelevant. We all know how the civil war went, and how Biafra was reduced to a starving, unarmed, helpless, hapless mess by the conflict, which led to her surrender. So keep lying to yourself since it makes you feel better. Narcissist.

Most Igbo youths hate the truth

Who has the highlights of his broadcast biko, I don't have time entertaining some attention seekers.

Is it that there's no IPOB member old or matured enough and versed in the Igbo culture to tell Nnamdi Kanu that he's supposed to be in mourning and not to be publicly seen nor heard now?
Why can't he let Uche Mefor or Emma Powerless do the talking, wth is actually wrong with him?

ignis:
Are they all really passionate about it?

They are all consultants in their different specialties; neurosurgeon, obs& gynae etc.
These are the true slay queens, beauty and brain combined.

wirinet:
You cannot compare boko haram with the Biafran conflict. Boko Haram is a well funded and armed group. Boko Haram is international in nature getting support and logistics from numerous countries and sources. They are active in many countries in West Africa. All these advantages the Biafrans did/don't have.

As you said Boko haram is not fighting a conventional war but a guerilla one. Such unconventional war is extremely difficult to win. Even the Almighty USA has not been able to defeat the Taliban after close to 20 years of war.





Your dad lied to you. The Biafrans had completely run out of food and ammunition. Ojukwu has lost most of his territory and the federal troops were closing up on him. Each day the war prolonged, thousands of Biafran children, women and population were dying of starvation. The pictures of children and even men with serious cases of malnutrition immediately after the war are all over the Internet. Prolonging the war further would have been considered genocide.


Guerilla style war in such a small space with high population density after losing a war against a bitter enemy? The soldiers would just shoot every thing that moves.


The aburi according was hand Ojukwu secession through the back door, it would never have worked. It would have made things difficult for other regions that did not ask for secession.



Another lie by IPOB. There is no international law anywhere that allows for secession. What the international law allows is rights of Indigenous peoples . Rights of Indigenous people does not equate to secession.


Kanu has no right to ask anyone for independence. Kanu has no authority whatsoever to ask for anything, except you are telling me a mad man can shout from the streets or social media that freedom should be given to hemp smokers to do as they like, and have the support of hundreds of hemp smokers.
Nigeria's independence went through the political process. It went through paliament, was negotiated with the British and the regions had constitutional conferences. One man did not go into the streets insulting Britain and British people demanding for independence.

No. You could renounce your Nigerian citizen if you wish, afterall kanu is a British citizen. If the igbos want out of Nigeria, they know what do do. They have many intelligent people.

Excellent

gidgiddy:
You are incredibly naive. The Nigerian Army has been fighting war with Boko Haram for almost 10 years. The Nigerian government keeps telling you that Boko haram has been defeated but the same Boko haram are killing people daily including Nigerian Soldiers. Thats because Boko haram is no longer fighting conventional warfare but guerilla warfare

The Nigerian government didn't actually defeat Biafra, it was Biafra that chose to end the war. My father was a Biafran officer and he told me that there were thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers who were determined to carry on with the war, even if guerilla style. The only reason they decided to stop fighting is because Ojukwus trusted deputy, General Philip Effiong, asked them to give peace a chance. Even as at that, most them still held to their guns for days, even weeks, to know if there was going to be a massacre

This narrative that Nigerian Soldiers had conquered the place and could do whatever they wanted wasn't true. Had those thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers chose to carry on guerilla style, the war might still be on now.

In the case of Ojukwu fighting a war, he didnt have much choice really. He had gone to Ghana, signed an agreement with Gowon so that there would be no war, Gowon broke the agreement. It was either submit to the will of Gowon and his Northern cohorts or fight for freedom. Freedom is one of the few things in life worth fighting for and Ojukwu and his people have no apologies for doing so

Kanu and IPOB are seeking self determination, which enshrined in international law that Nigeria has signed up to. It is the right of self determination that people like Zik, Awolowo and others used in asking for independence from Britain for the indigenous people in Nigeria

It is the same right that Kanu and others are using to ask Nigeria for independence for indigenous Igbos of Nigeria. What is wrong in people asking for freedom and independence? May be Kanu's style of agitation may not be to everyone's liking but he has not taken up arms and he did not kill anybody.

So what is the problem? Is by force to be a Nigerian?

Every other thing you wrote doesn't fit in and especially your second paragraph which I'd have delved into more but time restraint.

All in all, Ojukwu still messed up, as at 1968, cities and towns like Abakaliki, Enugu, Nsukka, Udi, Awka, Onitsha, Aba, PH, Akwa-Cross area, old Rivers etc had all fallen to federal forces, the same Biafra was just a small enclave surrounded by Nigeria and shrinking everyday, what was Ojukwu still stupidly fighting for?
Why still subjecting those not yet under the federal forces to starvation and death? Why not surrender in 1968 and stop the carnage? He had to wait till 1970 when millions more had died before he went into exile and told Effiong to announce his surrender........ rubbish.

blacknp:
vague, and void, at best, he said nothing, fill the gap, with his parents gone, he can use your lives like a pawn in a game of chess, Ojukwu did it to 3 million igbos, then ran away, to live, to enjoy, another day.

....so you have the time replying his post? Kudos bro

gidgiddy:
The Northerners do not care about who is VP, what they care about is the office of the president. Thats where the juice is.

GEJ's case was different, he was the incumbent president and leader of the ruling party. If GEJ had run for president of Nigeria without being the incumbent, he would have done badly in the North

No Igbo man has any chance of being president. Im an Igbo man but the truth must be told so that some of our people will not be lying to themselves

I think I agree with you on this, if Obi is not going for any of those positions then no big deal about his going to the burial, no problem.

Danishguy:
Common shut it


Thank God for Obi and his smartness, you just proofed to PDP that you are principled and BOLD.

The saboteurs in our midst, all those (anti Igbo APC dog heads) were are they today?

In Nigeria, the very day you turn your back on Ndigbo, is the very day calamity starts to cloud an already peaceful sojourn. Obi today is stronger than he ever was

Finally, the rising sun logo didn't do him any disservice, nothing really at all. If not better, he has won the hearts of all Ndigbo, in the land of Efulefus, the bold is king.

If only our leaders are as half balled like Obi and Abarebe, then who is who that can challenge or intimidate my people.

So you stating your point without insult is a crime from where you come from? I won't tolerate it next time

SLAP44:
They accused Peter Obi of betraying Jesus 3 times on the night of Crucifixion

He will always be accused and that has got nothing to do with him or IPOB, blame the people that hate Pete obi and IPOB alike.

If you say so

freeze001:
I see mentions of using hero beer against him because of the logo, will that beer brand disappear before 2023? Y'all have already formed useless points to oppose him without facing the reality of his capacity and prowess. Since it's all down to ethnic bigotry, let the mediocres continue in office while the country sinks. At the end of the day, the inevitable must happen.

You are talking as if you're not a Nigerian, politics where people are ready to dig up your past inorder to undermine you.
Meanwhile you and I perfectly understand this as just attending a burial, wait when campaign starts and his opponents start splashing everything around

ashacot:
Learn to be civil next time.

However, I am not the one to contest the next general election. Obi is. I will not be the one rival party will use his presence at the burial against. When that time comes, una go see am

Most people do not understand the implication, in 2019 he was accused and now this.
Even those who were in the middle before would now believe he's strongly IPOB and would never vote for him irrespective of the party he runs under.

As for me, Obi shouldn't have been seen around the burial no matter how close he's to the family, he could send his condolences away from the eye of the public especially if he's eyeing the position of the president or vice. Well he still has a great chance in the NASS.