₦airaland Forum

Hbuyosh:
Yeah, all over sudden our friends on this forum simply disappeared, I see mostly new faces here these days discussing East African issues. Enlightenedsoul, Ajuran, Somali12, onila, sexkills....you....where did they all go?

It seems to me that Farmaajo is really committed to transforming that country, but he will need the support of the whole Somalis.
At this point, Somalis shouldnt experience the clan divisions of the past, which to a great extent contributed to the current mess Somalia is in today.

So far, he is enjoying massive support both locally and internationally, thankfully. But the only pain on his side is the Alshabaab.

I'm glad Ajuran left this place for good haha. On the other hand, I'm sad that I never got to say goodbye to Enlightenedsoul and Fulaman. They were without doubt my two favourite users. I'm being unashamedly biased with E-soul, and as much as she doesn't like being labelled queen, she was a true Somali Boqora! The others I didn't really interact with much.

I'm really optimistic about the future of Somalia and I feel this optimism is something that is shared by the majority of the Somalis, both home and abroad. Many prayers on him and his path to revive Somalia.

By the way, I'm flying to Addis Ababa tomorrow night, where I'll stay for a week for some admin work and then I'll head to Berbera in the north. I'll be staying there and Bosaso in the north east for least two years, if thing go as planned.

I guess this sort of a goodbye. Peace and blessings my brothers and sister Hati13 Hbuyosh Ednited

Hati13:
Have you imagined how powerful Abyssinians and Adals would have been if it wasn't for the brutal Oromo migration?

It's even very sad to see the current Ethiopia regional map.

Do you know that Ras Mikael(father of Lij Iyasu) was a Oromo/Somalia mix, but consider himself as Oromo?

I'm happy that Ethiopia Somalians had taken back some of their stolen lands from Oromos after 1991.

Is it in Ahmed Gragn invasion of Abyssinia that some Somalians settled in Bete Amhara(Wollo)?

I think the Abyssinian-Adal wars would have carried on if the Oromo migration hadn't stopped and there would have been one clear winner who would rule from the border of Sudan to the Indian Ocean. I know that some Somali clans lived among Amharas before the Oromo migration, I don't know how they ended up there, but the Oromo caused so much bloodshed that most of them fled to the east. The Sultanate of Shewa consisted of Argobbas, Muslim Amharas, Somalis, Gurage, Harlas and other small ethnicities.

I didn't know about Ras Mikael being half Somali, I thought he was fully Oromo. I guess you learn something new every day.

Hbuyosh:
Wow! It's been such a long time buddy.

I agree with Kikuyu1 just to an extent.

Somalia's irredentism caused it to wage wars with nearly all its neighbors but it lost in all those wars, it didnt achieve even a single of its objectives.

Somalia has never ever engaged in an all out war with Kenya, but from the mid sixties till the late 70s, one could get the sense that a war btwn the two was brewing ( okay I wasnt around then, but this is what I gathered frm the Kenyan newspapers and magazines of the time), and that the situation would explode at the slightest spark.

But were it to flare up btwn the two countries, I honestly believe that Somalia would have had Kenya totally beat. Cos Kenya in the 70s, in comparison with its neighbors did not invest much in its military, ie interms of the military assets and personnel.

Some say it was because Pres. Kenyatta had little interest in military affairs, that he was only concerned about the economic growth etc etc...but honestly, all that is bullcr*p. Latest rumour has it that Kenyatta infact was weary of a strong military, having witnessed what happened in the other parts of Africa, the rising trend of the military deposing civilian govts. He was therefore wilfully weakening the military whilst strengthening the police unit called the GSU (they were more like the presidential guard) whom he trusted more.

Somalia never engaged in a war with Kenya, but funded the secessionist element in Kenya called the Shifta. It was the GSU rather than the Kenyan military which played the greater role in dealing with the Shifta rebels.

This may be embarassing to admit, but Kenya in the 70s still depended on the British and the Israelis, and probably even the Americans for national defence, and it was very evident that the former two were preparing to wade into the Kenya- Uganda war when Idi Amin was spoiling for a fight with Kenya.

So, Somalia advance into Kenya would have been halted by the British, Israeli and the American military in support of the only capitalist nation in this part of the world. But then again, the Russians, would have entered the war, probably. They hated the Kenyan capitalism.

However, signs of the Kenyan Somalis waning interest to join their kind in Somalia begun to show when the new govt in Somalia under Siad Barre introduced Socialism as the economic policy in that country, for the Somalis are capitalists by nature.

The repressive nature of that regime didnt help the quest, and when finally Somalia descended into the anarchy it is in currently, the Kenyan Somalis had no recourse but to eat the humble pie, and to agree to integrate with the rest of the Kenyan society.

Hey mate, everyone seems to have taken a hiatus from NL at the same time.

I agree with everything you said there. The thing that irked me is how he painted the Shifta wars as Somalia vs Kenya or that Kenya defeated Somalis when the odds were pretty much stacked against Somalis to begin with. I mean it doesn't matter if the rebels were funded by Somalia, there is no way a fully trained military will lose a fight against a ragtag militia. Unless they had multiple international backers, their endeavour was bound to fail from the beginning.

Siad Barre ruined Somalia and he will forever be a black stain on Somali history. If it wasn't for the 1977 war, Somalis in Ethiopia could have been among the ruling elite in the country. Today, Somalis must seek alliances with other major ethnicities, whilst the Tigrayans who are less in numbers have been ruling the country for over 30 years.

There is now renewed hope in the Somalia, as president Farmaajo has stated that he's committed to working with Kenya and Ethiopia to establish a safe and prosperous horn. I truly hope that he's serious about this as we are tired of being the black sheep of the horn.

kikuyu1:
Whatever, nigga! Srsly,you guys do go on. How has that penchant for war helped your cause? The only war you guys ever won is the one that dismantled your 6th world nation. Your attitude is extremely amusing-if You think its a chip on my shoulder so be it.

What attitude are you talking about you? You're the only one showing attitude problems and talking trash about millions of people.

And it's funny how you equate the actions of the socialist maniac Siad Barre with the wishes of all Somali nationals. Why are you ignoring the fact that it was that same maniac that caused the civil war and the 1977/78 war? Only ignorant fools talk like you do and I can't have an objective debate with a person whose source of knowledge is Wikipedia.

I stand by what I said. You should remove that chip on your shoulder, your pathetic wailing shows you have deep animosity for Somalis. The Kikuyus I know are usually proud and arrogant themselves so it must be only you.

I agree that Oromos have forcefully assimilated many people in Ethiopia. In Hararghe they've Assimilated whole Somali clans, for example, Dire Dawa in the 1960 was around 70% Somali and today it's only 25% due to the Oromos assimilating a large portion of the Somalis there.

They've done the same thing in Harar where the indigenous Hararis are now a minority in their own Harari region. They also tried it in Babile and Moyale which is in the deep south but the Somalis have resisted and kept on to their culture and language. Oromos have been expanding ever since they invaded the Sultanate of Shewa in the 16th Century and they must stop this and make peace with their neighbouring brotherly people like the Amharas, Afar and Somalis.

kikuyu1:
Coops were used at the grassroots level to mobilise resources. Members of all tribes formed group land buying companies issuing shares to their members. The coop idea branched out into all sectors of Kenya,agriculture,trade and business and now increasingly the finance world where coop credit unions are called SACCOS.

The vibrant and dynamic cooperative movement in Kenya – the strongest in Africa – is a key player in the economy, [/b]controlling about 43 per cent of Kenya’s gross domestic product (GDP). The Cooperative Societies in Kenya employs more than 300,000 people, besides providing opportunities for self-employment to many more. [b]Savings and credit societies (Saccos), the fastest growing sub-sector in the movement, have mobilised savings of more than Kshs 230 billio
https://softkenya.com/kenya/cooperatives-in-kenya/

Jomo pioneered the concept. Has it succeeded? HELLZ,YEAH!

He was called a tribalist. Here was his first cabinet:



http://jamhurimagazine.com/index.php/politics/3344-1974-kenyatta-government-kenya-then.html


Six are Kikuyus and their Meru and Embu first cousins. Take away both Nyagah and Angaine, 4 out of 20 or 25% are Kikuyu out of 30% share of the national population.
The Somali border thing was actually a real live shooting war! being the majority,at least 95% of neighbouring NE province they insisted on joining their cousins. Kenyatta said,"feel free to leave." They took that to mean secession fought and lost-badly!


If you know anything about Somalis IRL or from their posts here you'd know it was inevitable:colonialism told them they were superior to bantus.

Stop exaggerating the only significant military action the KDF has had. Your ignorance shows that you think Kenyatta agreed to Somalis leaving lol. Hbuyosh, come and see this nonsense.

The KDF faced ragtag civilians after the Somalis voted to leave and join Somalia. If the KDF hadn't subdued those civilians, that would have been utterly embarrassing for the Kenyan nation. But to say that Somalia actually engaged Kenya in war is just a barefaced lie. Tell it like how it is and say you faced an unorganised civilian group and obviously subdued them.

As for the other stuff about us believing to be superior to Bantus - Somalis and many other Cushitic groups possess that arrogance and view their ethnicity to be greater than all others. It's called ethnocentrism and Somalis are champions of it, but obviously you being a Bantu speaker is butt-hurt because a Somali person thinks he's superior to you pfft lol I don't see whites and Arabs complaining about it so remove that chip on your shoulder and don't worry about us.

kikuyu1:
Whenever you see Somalis ranting on the net or IRL always remember they've fought everyone at one time -and lost. Ethiopia, Kenya,UN forces and US rangers in 93 (they lost very badly,btw) and IIRC Djiboutians in the 70s who are not strictly Somalis but a Kushite group called Afars,like first cousins. Abdi , for reasons of his own regarded their land as his.

Stop misleading people.

SirWere:
They have a very bad track record in war indeed.

Don't listen to that fool. Somalia has never faced Kenya in battle and Somalia was defeated by the Soviet Union in the 1977/78 war. If we're talking about overall military history, no other African group has accomplished as much as Cushites and especially Somalis.

Secondly, my mother is from Djibouti where 60% of the country is Somali and the president has always been Somali, so of course we claim it, the same way we claim Ethiopia and Kenya too.

NairobiWalker:
That wasn't an attack on Somalis. I was just explaining to genieluv what the British did to Africans and I used that example. I'm not very cognizant with Somali clans so when referring to Somalis I just use Somali. Anyway, do these Isahakia Somalis see themselves as Somali as other Somalis or they have some complex?

Fair enough, I just got a little annoyed by the guy that was implicitly telling me to choose between being Arab or African. In Somalia, they're just called Ishak and the Isahakia only seem to consider themselves as Arab in Kenya for some reason. I came across a few of them whilst I was in Kenya and they seem to feel superior to Somali refugees in Kenya for some reason. They're a peculiar community.

CAMNEWTON4PRES:
Same here I wish I had pagan's number tho , the dude was so smart and enlightening.

Why you calling me hitler ?

It was a joke referring to back when you called for the Cushitic genocide

Hati13:
Brother, being identified as black or others is a subjective matter, so Artank may be right. I've seen his profile picture and he looks brown like he said. So I don't see any problem for him to identify himself as brown rather than black.

First, what is the definition of black? There are black color Asians, but why they aren't identified as black but other Africans who aren't black in color considered black? It's because the racist ideas of 18th century German anthropologists like Artank pointed out.

Africa is the most diverse place on Earth, but no matter what skin color you have, you are considered black and this needs to stop. Westerners are so racist that they will relate all negative things to black.

Black is a color not a race. I'm black but my mother and her mother aren't. So I must be considered black since my color is black, but my mother can't be identified as black because her color isn't black. Not all African are black. Instead of uniting under the banner of black, why not unite under the banner of Africa?

Peace Brother

Do the following Ethiopians look black? No, they aren't.

1. Wello Amhara girl
2. Tigray child
3. Tigray women
4. Amhara child

Bro, I don't get it with people like him..

Why are Somalis squeezed between being Arab and Black? What happened to being just African and Somali? Also one has to be ridiculously ignorant to think that Arab = ethnicity. It's a cultural term that unifies people from as far as Morocco to Iraq to Sudan. The only thing these people have in common is the language and certain cultural practices, but not a common ancestry. As a Somali, the only thing I've got in common with them is my religion. As for the Black label, I've already explained myself. I don't see why anyone should throw a tantrum and to say that I don't want to be associated with negativity? LOL, being Somali in the west is probably a lot worse than calling yourself black. I'm not only seen as black, but also Muslim and from a community of mainly refugees. How is that not more negative? I'd like to see Omanbala1 and Nairobiwalker answer this.

Some people just don't use their brains before they produce their stupidity in text.

NairobiWalker:
Even Somalis wanted to be identified as Arabs then because that would give them special status. The British caused a lot confusion with their caste system. Anyway I still wonder why you're so diverting into that. People have negative opinions on black people as seen with Nigerians' Obsession with light skin here to an extent some members of any community that has slightly different features from the typical African will try to distance themselves from black people. Some of your northern Nigerians do that. Whichever the case that does not change Swahili language into an Arab language and I wonder why you're trying so hard to make it so......should I agree with you on it to make you happy? Okay, Swahili originated from Saudi Arabia and has 80% Arab words. Happy?

It wasn't all Somalis, it was the Isahakia community who consider themselves as Somali Arabs.

And I'm wondering why you'd say he's wise.. For attacking me with stupid claims? He assumed I was someone else and made an arse out of himself.

What's up Cameroonian Hitler

I came back last month, hoping that EnlightenedSoul and Fulaman were still here, but I'm the only one left from that gang

OMANBALA1:
The only reason why you are ashamed to be called black is because black is associated with negativity. You won't be so mad if somebody called you an Arab,would you? Just like a lot of Egyptians and Sudanese people. You guys have one thing in common and that is your salivary for the Arabs and their women because you set of people will kill to eat an Arab sshit.
You have been on this forum for over a decade calling us monkeys and all sort of names because of your self hate. You tried endlessly to rope in the Ethiopians into your "BANTUS AND WEST AFRICANS ARE SLAVES TO SOMALIANS" but Ethiopians are comfortable in their black skin and more informed.
Take a look at Hati13 and see what a normal human being should behave like., In spite of all the historical importance of Ethiopia,they are always humble and quiet and never talk down on any African.
We are black Africans and no matter what anybody think we West Africans ,East Africans ,South and Central Africans will always be proud of our mother land. Continue your hate

What the hell is this ignorant madman on about?? I'm not who you think I am you idiot, stop attacking me because of your because of some stupid preconceived notion you have about Somalis. The person you're so angry about that you probably want to direct your little rant to was that Somali troll who used to post here. If you look through my earlier posts, you'll see me and a Somali girl who used to go by EnlightenedSoul calling out the troll and apologising to people on behalf of Somalis, because that's not how who we are. We're not a racist people.

With that said, what makes you think I'd be happy about being called Arab? What kind of nonsense have you been fed? There is a big difference between Somalis and Egyptians & Sudanese. The latter mentioned have been Arabised, whereas Somalis are unique compared to them. We have retained our culture, language, traditions and etc. We have never been Arab nor have we ever called ourselves Arab.

As I've said before, I'm a proud African and Somali man. You are no more African than I am and you certainly don't own Africa more than I do, so kindly STFU with your bullshitt. I'll call myself whatever the hell I like, you can keep your European invented term. It doesn't surprise me as many Africans are taught to just accept and live with any nonsense that comes from the white man.

genieluv:
No offence intended, just being curious.
***Do u consider yourself n all somalis black african?

None taken.

I've been asked this question before and I'll just reiterate that I don't think the black label is correct. Sure, I'll tick the black option in censuses and other forms in the west, because that's what my people are classed as, but no one is black. You and I are both brown in complexion so if they were to label us correctly, they'd label us brown. This meaningless term was developed by disgracefully racist 18th century German anthropologists. Whilst society has moved on by abolishing slavery, made great strides to eradicate racism and discrimination, one has to wonder why this term has survived. I think it's about time we got rid of it, because this term robs people of their heritage and ethnicity.

So do I consider myself black? No. Do I consider myself African? Yes of course, I'm a proud African man.

Btw I think it is mainly in north America and the UK where people are actually labeled black. In mainland Europe, people are just French Senegalese, Dutch Moroccan or German Somali like me.

uzzyfire:
are u Somali

Yeah. What's up?

PissedYagami:
ArtanK, what do you think about this map?

This map was made by a Somali person almost 10 years ago. It feeds into the fears of every Somali that they're nation will be absorbed by its neighbours. It's not realistic. It's supposed to serve as a wake up call for Somalis to get their shit together.

And yes, I'm from the extreme north eastern corner of Somalia, literally the tip of the horn.

Hati13:
Right and thanks for the correction.

No problem wenedem

Hati13:
True walal. Semitic family language has it's ancestor in the Horn of Africa. The people who speak it migrated to Arabia and then some of them re-migrate to their place of origin from 2500 BC onwards to the Horn of Afric.

How much time do you think it will take for all Horners in specific and East Africans in general to unite in one political state?

All it takes is the correct economic and political events to take place and there would be a rally for a united horn of Africa.

There would probably have to be a regime in Ethiopia, Eritrea and Djibouti. The ruling elites in these countries are too autocratic.

Nowenuse:
Okay. Some kenyans here say Ethiopia will likely annex Somaliland. How true is that?

It's pure hogwash, the age of annexation is over. No one is annexing anything. Somaliland just has a very good relationship with Ethiopia, the same with Djibouti but that doesn't mean that Ethiopia will annex Djibouti or parts of it.

Hati13:
But majority of Somalians like Ethiopia. Walal Artank can tell you that.

We never know. Let just wait and see what will happen. Do you think we will be alive to see it?

There is a north-south divide. The majority of the people north of Galkaio are neutral when it comes to Ethiopia, the southern ones despise the Ethiopian government because of the 2006 invasion. This sentiment is shared with many ethnic groups in the horn, so southern Somalis are not alone on this one.

One thing is for sure though, Somalis feel more at home in Ethiopia due to the large Somali region there and the other Cushitic people they share it with.

PissedYagami:
Some Somalis understand Swahili too, they come to Kenya once in a while. Kenya is like the leading power in East Africa, with a lot of economical interaction happening, Swahili will somehow grow in other East African countries, I know some Southern Ethiopians can speak and understand it

I've already stated that it's only the Kenyan Somalis and the Barawani/Bajuni communities that speak Swahili. The rest of us don't speak it and I'm 100% certain that there are more Amharic speaking ethnic Somalis than there are Swahili speaking ones.

As for your other question, I'm Somali as I've stated many times. My dad was born and raised in Somalia.

MtuMsuper:

I wish the day will come when we have a stable Somalia where progress is the norm. But let's face it : as presently constituted it cannot be considered a functional entity. Alot of work goes into creating a nation state that isn't present in Somalia as i write this. Think of creating a civil service, an education system, utilities, a banking sector, an administrative superstructure, a judiciary, disciplined forces, transportation and communication network, and a unified and recognised authority throughput the entire geography of the country. Just to mention a few. All these sorely lacking in today's Somalia.
Wishing you the best because a stable and prosperous somalia is a boost to all its neighbours.

I've already replied back to a similarly dismissive post with some hard facts. Your perception of Somalia is outdated. Look through my posts as I can't be asked to type all of it again.

P. S. Somalia is not a failed state anymore.

Nowenuse:
Stop telling lies and making yourself look stupid. Do you think Swahili could have ever displaced or affected large languages/ethnic groups like Somalis, Amharas & Oromos who have always had completely different kingdoms, histories, ways of writing e.t.c if you guys were in one country?

I would love to learn Swahili for personal gains, but only after learning Amharic fully. I already speak Somali, Arabic, German, French and English. Speaking these languages has helped me enormously, especially in my organisation where it has enabled me to communicate and deal with a wide range of people. Adding Amharic and Swahili to it would be the icing on the cake. I'm already in the process of learning basic Amharic as I'm in Ethiopia a lot.

Believe it or not, Ethiopia is actually our biggest business partner and will continue to be so. While we have the ports and oil, they have the raw materials and a robust agricultural system. Anyone who says that Swahili would benefit Somalis more than Amharic or even Arabic while we're at it, is basically lying to themselves and to you.

fanficgirl:
What a lie IMO. Some Southern Somalians speak it because they are actually bantu. What Somalis are speaking it? Believing Swahali will be the lingua in all of East Africa is a pipe dream. And what arrogance to expect Ethiopians to adopt Swahali when Ahmaric has been with them for centuries .

Only a small fraction of southern Somalis are Bantu and they speak either the May dialect of the Somali language or their own Bantu language that they've held onto ever since their ancestors were kidnapped from Tanzania/Mozambique.

The only Somalis that actually speak Swahili are the Kenyan Somalis and the Barawani/Bajuni people with their own dialects.

Nowenuse:
Okay, this is good news. Let's hope something positive will come out.

What about Somaliland? Most people will never see any recovery of Somalia until Somaliland merges with Somalia-Mogadishu as one country. Will there be any re-merging anytime soon?

I've got close family from Somaliland and they've repeatedly said that a proper reconciliation between all parties is enough for them to abandon their quest for secession. All it takes is the right approach and this current regime looks like it will kick-start the initiative.

Even if the talks reveal that they're adamant and won't budge on seceding from Somalia, it would be nice to see another stable Somali country in the horn, aside from Djibouti, Ethiopia and Kenya.

You are right walal. I spoke to many Oromo people in Addis Ababa and I was honestly shocked by how many similar words we have. Our numbers are almost exactly the same and even the Afar numbers are very similar to Somali.

Btw Africans tend to think the Semetic languages are foreign to Africa, but little do they know that the Semetic languages originated in Africa and moved into West Asia.

Nowenuse:
As much optimistic as you want to be for your people, be realistic. Somalia does not have a future the way things are.

And why is that? I just came from there almost 2 months ago and I'm going back in 2 weeks time.

These are the reasons for the optimism

- new government that has public support
- over 50 high ranking Al Shabaab leaders have given themselves in after Farmaajo became prez
- there has been a pledge to support the SNA so we can finally move past the Amisom era.
- the new government had pledged to revive the fishing agriculture sectors in recently liberated regions who are the breadbasket of Somalia.
- newly established local admins in South-west, Hiran-Shabella and Benadir regions and thus completing the federalisation process.
- 40,000 new jobs created for the youth and the government has pledged to create 100,000 more to stop the youngsters from leaving the country.
- holistic revamp of the armed forces with the help of the Turkish government and the EU.
- Mogadishu regaining some of its beauty as the diaspora (like myself) are returning to the country and taking part in rebuilding it. Even Kenyan Somali companies are on course to expand, if not fully relocate to Somalia.

That plus a whole lot more..

Remember 5 years ago, the capital was a no-go zone and the country was a failed state. Well it is no longer a failed state, it is recovering gradually. You can't fix problems that have accumulated for 25 years in a split second. The signs of improvement that we have seen so far is the reason for so much optimism and hope.

It's super easy to ignore all of that and say there is no hope or it will never recover from your house in wherever... You don't see the struggle people are going through to revive this once great nation. It will prove doubters wrong and they'll be forced to eat their words.

Dhulka iyo dadka Somaliyeed ha noladaan.

Olu317 and kikuyu1 nice replies, I'm a little busy with work and Ramadan these days. I'll get back to you soon.

PissedYagami:
I am just a realist mate. I wish Somalia well but I dont see that happening anytime soon, sorry bruh

Naah mate, you'd get your panties in a twist if someone was that negative about your country of origin.

Luckily for the Somali people, your ill wishes won't change their promising future.

PissedYagami:
I wish them well but I dont think they will be stable any time soon

Dude, what is your problem? Any time you have mentioned Somalis, it has been negative. You sound like you've got a huge chip on your shoulder.

Care to explain why you think Somalia won't be stable in the near future?

Olu317:
Is there anything like original Egyptians? I thought, it was a city of multi ethnic coloration. Considering, the different groups that had to rule at different times. From Kushites—Ethiopians—Middle Eastern —Europeans etc. If there are artifacts that showed correlations, shouldn't it be taken seriously? After all, writing begun in Egypt presumably 5000+ years ago. I don't really get your points about the original Egyptians because most people that lived during that era ranging around Ancient Ethiopia and other part of Horn of Africa to Babylonians enclave had a lot of colour people. This doesn't mean they were black descendants. Are you inferring that if a white man marries a black lady of African descent, will the descendants patrilineal be of black ancestor? Isn't it true that where one's group is much in population, is the location where the large population of their blood are traceable ? Isn't it true that the theory of return back to Africa is real? I want to learn from the theory of yours as too whom were regarded as the original Egyptians.

Let me address your points in chronological order.

1 - Yes there is such thing as an original Egyptian. The people who established the empire to begin with are the original stock. The rest are just short-term occupiers. This is evident in the culture and language that is used in this part of the region at that time. You can see how the invaders adapted to the culture and language of the people they were occupying. Take the Greek/Roman, Persian or the Hyksos era as an example, they came and tried to assimilate themselves into Egyptian culture. By saying that there is no such thing as an original Egyptian, it is technically the same as saying there was no original British tribe when we in fact know that prior to the Roman, Viking and Norman invasions, the land was entirely inhabited by Celtic tribes. The difference here is that the invaders stayed in the Island and gradually became British by influencing the people through language and culture. Whereas, with the Egyptians, the invaders didn't stay for long. The Hyksos were ousted in the end, the Persian empire regressed in Africa after the death of Xerxes III, an event that paved the way for Alexander the Great's conquest of Egypt. After that conquest the empire became a vassal state and the Egyptian culture began to decline.

2 - If there were artifacts from Egypt that showed up in China, why do we have to assume that Egyptians established the Chinese civilisation? Could they not have ended there through trade? Could the artifacts not have ended up in China via the Persian empire or the Greeks who ended up at the gates of the Chinese dominion?
The ancient Chinese people were great seafaring people, they were trading with the Puntites in 500 BC. That's why I don't understand why we're outright crossing out other explanations such as trade.

3 - People have always been separated into language groups. There were many different tribes spanning from the horn of Africa to the fertile crescent, but their distinct dialect or language always gave away their origin i.e. Akkadians, Elamites, Canaanites, Libyans, Nubians in upper Egypt Egyptians in lower Egypt, Puntites and etc. The question about their race depends on who of those people you class as black.

4 - The back migration into Africa occurred millennia before the establishment of the Egyptian empire. As a horn African man, I know that my people migrated back into Africa and settled in upper Egypt before making their way down to the horn of Africa. If you're alluding to the people who migrated back to be non-black then you should know that the Y-Dna of these people is most certainly African, however it is their mtDNA that shows the admixture meaning that their ancestors were by and large African.

fanficgirl:
Angola and Mozambique aren't what I would call promising...but I believe Somalia will get better!

Angola is definitely promising. Sure they've got issues with unemployment and widespread poverty, but the country is still working hard on improving infrastructure and other vital societal needs. As for Mozambique I'd say we should have patience. There's a reason why the Portuguese are moving from Portugal to Mozambique nowadays.

Btw when I said the former two, I meant Rwanda and Angola.