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Culture › Re: Black Girl Fights Somali Girl Cause Somali Girl Has Nice Hair by ArtanK(m): 8:48pm On Mar 24, 2015

Nabhani:
And therein lies the problem

Just answer this question (with evidence), where did the Swahili of Barawa come from and why did they go to Barawa? and because you admittedly stated you don't know much about Swahili history, I'll let you know they definitely didn't come from Zanzibar because the Barawani dialect is clearly older than the Zanzibari Swahili dialect.

Not knowing much about the Swahilis =/= I don't know the history of the Somali coast. Instead of discarding everything I said, take your time and read through the post.

I said:

[img]In the book The return of Cosmopolitan Capital:Globalization, the State and War, it mentions that Merca and Barawa were not only transit routes for the Swahili traders who were restricted by the Portuguese and the Omanis but also safe havens for them. They came to the towns through trade and settled there but they are not the original people of the town. The Tunni are small compared to other clans in the Shabelle region yet they founded the twin towns of Barawa and Gondershe. [/img]

The Zanzibari influx to the town came when the Sultan of Zanzibar acquired partial control of the town from the Sultan of the Geledi Sultanate.

What is your point here? Are you saying that the Swahilis established Barawa?

Foreign Affairs › Re: TOP 10 AFRICA'S CITIES OF OPPORTUNITY by ArtanK(m): 8:29pm On Mar 24, 2015

No mention of Gaborone? What a load of horse manure.

Culture › Re: Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans Are Superior by ArtanK(m): 8:14pm On Mar 24, 2015

axum:
Are you telling me that Somalis dont refer to non Horn Africans as jareer, adoon, bantu, etc.

Nope. Jareer, yes because they call themselves that in Somalia so it became a name for them but you are lying about the other two.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Monaco Vs Arsenal: UCL (0 - 2) On 17th March 2015 by ArtanK(m): 8:11pm On Mar 24, 2015

EnlightenedSoul:
You kinda remind me of someone, minus the winking

Edit: Happy Birthday!

Is he a Liverpool fan? cheesy

Thank you, it was a much anticipated birthday although my team let me down lol. Nonetheless, it was great.

Culture › Re: The New Mogadishu by ArtanK(m): 8:08pm On Mar 24, 2015

BluIvy:
Rubbish I've been here for over two years. I just never wanted engage the moronn with big head, small body and rabbit teeth. This is the first time i have decided to engage him.

My issue with you is that you are being a hypocrite. Now that you see I have shut that stinking mouth and an excuse of human being you come up to say we must take our fight else where? Why would you do that when you could see your brother has ran away? Do you think I care whether you report or try to stop him? I wanted to give his own medicine, insult the evil out of him and if the shoe fits by all means wear it.

And I have experienced your rudeness in my own country by one of you people. A Somali guy who tried to run me of the road cause he saw a women driving. He got fccken served, trust me. We do not practice sharia and leave in a circular not Moslem country. I know you lot think like this but forget you are guest, then we "moer julle goed" we are not cowards one thing. Trust us on violence when we are called to it.

Do not fcck with me!

Lol @ your little tantrum.

Your argument is based on this:

- This thread was created to insult your people. Wrong, your people started the provocations in this thread.
- I'm a racist yet you're the one who's carrying on with the racial stereotypes and remarks.
- I'm a hypocrite for trying to stop the insults. I've told you that your silly unimaginative comments are nothing compared to what we've already seen.

I managed to change the topic in this thread and told many people to fvck off even before you came beating your chest like I'm preventing you from entering the garden of Eden. I left NL for a few days and came back to this thread totally gone batshit so of course I'm gonna tell everyone to take their bravado elsewhere so I can revive it again.

Now am I wrong for telling you to take your fight to Axum's countless other threads about your people?

PS: I simply do not care about your past experiences with Somalis or your circular or spherical country. It is beside any point you are trying to make here.

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Culture › Re: Black Girl Fights Somali Girl Cause Somali Girl Has Nice Hair by ArtanK(m): 7:46pm On Mar 24, 2015

Nabhani:
I think you are confusing immigrants from Arabia with Swahili "immigrants" because I know for a FACT you can't prove which Swahili clan migrated to Barawa.

You say Barawanis expanded the city, how so? what was there already before their arrival?

What other similar settlements did the Tunnis establish?

The portuguese in 1503 mentions that Barawa was governed by a corporation of twelve clans, were they Somali clans?

Barawa town was divided into several wards, each ward representing prominent families/clans. What is the significance of that in Somali or Tunni culture?

Why do the Barawanis refer to themselves as "The people of the town" or "Urban city dwellers"?

As for the Ajuuran liberators, it was very common for Swahili towns to seek military assistance from neighbouring tribes. If you actually read upon Swahili history you will see that they sought help from Bantus, Cushites, Arabs, & Europeans.

I don't know much about the Swahilis but I'm 100% sure they are not the same as the Hadhrami/Persian settlers in Mogadishu that now call themselves Benadiri. The Ajuuraan state was seen as a safe haven for many people, Persians and Andalusians called it home after they fled their homes due to ongoing wars in the 15th-17th century.

Barawa was almost reduced to rubble by the Portuguese, once the town was liberated, the locals came back to the city and rebuilt it. That's when the Swahilis came in and expanded a town that was only a fraction of what it once was.
In the book The return of Cosmopolitan Capital:Globalization, the State and War, it mentions that Merca and Barawa were not only transit routes for the Swahili traders who were restricted by the Portuguese and the Omanis but also safe havens for them. They came to the towns through trade and settled there but they are not the original people of the town. The Tunni are small compared to other clans in the Shabelle region yet they founded the twin towns of Barawa and Gondershe.

As for the town being divided up in wards and neighbourhoods, it is the same in every Somali town/city. In Mogadishu, there are 16 districts and each district is settled by a different sub clan.
The Barawani community might call themselves people of the town but we know their history in Somali lands. Although they are now synonymous with Barawa, they came to the Somali coast after the town was established by Somalis.

Even the Sultan Ahmed Yussuf of the Geledi sultanate collected tributes from the Sultan of Zanzibar for his presence in Barawa, Merca and Mogadishu. Read - Somali Sultanate: the Geledi city-state over 150 years.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: UEFA Champions League Quarter-final draw Draw On 20th March 2015 by ArtanK(m): 2:13am On Mar 21, 2015

I totally forgot about the Champions League draw!

AM vs RM and PSG vs FCB... mouthwatering games shocked

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Monaco Vs Arsenal: UCL (0 - 2) On 17th March 2015 by ArtanK(m): 2:03am On Mar 21, 2015

EnlightenedSoul:
I see, lol.

I got ya.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Saudi Arabia's New Desert Megacity. by ArtanK(m): 1:59am On Mar 21, 2015

What a waste of money. Instead of using $100bn on desert town why not invest in education so a country of 30 million is not depending on 200k to bring change, infrastructure, agriculture(desert farming like Israel) and many other things.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Viking Ring Reveals Ancient Islamic Ties by ArtanK(m): 1:45am On Mar 21, 2015

The vikings and the early Muslims were no strangers to each other. The 10th century Arab traveller, Ibn Fadlan met the Volga Vikings and there are also many evidences pointing towards Vikings who reached Baghdad. Similarly there was a large Viking fleet that attacked somewhere near Gibraltar and sacked a Muslim settlement in the 9th century.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Monaco Vs Arsenal: UCL (0 - 2) On 17th March 2015 by ArtanK(m): 1:23am On Mar 21, 2015

EnlightenedSoul:
Lol, who is "us"/your team?

I'm saying us because we 'never walk alone' grin

*hoping that you get the hint*

Culture › Re: Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans Are Superior by ArtanK(m): 1:18am On Mar 21, 2015

axum:
Morpheus what part of Somalis view everyone in subsharan African as Bantu do you not understand? Its a Somali perspective. Ethiopian view the same way but call you guys different name but they still see themselves as different from other sub-Saharan africans.

Also the pictures of you comparing Horn to Bantu and saying they are the same is nonsensicle. As Ethiopian is not an ethnicity but a nationality.

No we don't.

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Culture › Re: Black Girl Fights Somali Girl Cause Somali Girl Has Nice Hair by ArtanK(m): 1:14am On Mar 21, 2015

gallivant:
You are contradicting yourself. Since the Tunnis and Barawani founded these towns and you claim they are unique people with a unique language what is it about the settlements to be credited to Somalis? Nabhani was right, the Swahili culture encompassed many people, we can see the Swahiliness of these settlements.

*Correction @ the bolded. Tunnis founded Barawa and Bimaal and Hawiya founded Merca.

What contradiction? Tunnis are not unique, they are part of the Rahanwein clan which is one of the largest Somali clans. You would need to know the Tunni Somalis to make that call, sadly for you though, you don't know anything about them. There are numerous Somali clans who speak their own language like the Garreh and other sections of the Rahanwein. They are just bi-lingual Somalis.

Tunnis are responsible for it being a town today, building it from ground up. Swahilis as I said before have only arrived in the city in the last 200 years or so through trade and the Sultan of Zanzibar.

I thought you said you didn't claim Somali cities?

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Culture › Re: Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans Are Superior by ArtanK(m): 8:57pm On Mar 20, 2015

KenyanLady:
And I was beautiful.

lol. I knew you were adolescent boy, skinny Somalis would date anyone with hijab.

Since we're talking about looks... If you had seen her you'd wrap a bin bag around yourself and taken yourself to the nearest dump. No competition at all.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Monaco Vs Arsenal: UCL (0 - 2) On 17th March 2015 by ArtanK(m): 8:53pm On Mar 20, 2015

EnlightenedSoul:
Enjoy their misery? You sadist

Thanks, 'twas only a much needed break from life. You're well, I hope?

I'm sure they feel the same way about us tongue

I'm good walal and you're welcome

Culture › Re: Black Girl Fights Somali Girl Cause Somali Girl Has Nice Hair by ArtanK(m): 8:49pm On Mar 20, 2015

Nabhani:
You are being very disingenuous if you are claiming that the Tunni Somalis built the coral town of Barawa. In the Swahili dialect of Barawa, Barawanis call themselves Wamwiini and they speak Chimiini, in other words they consider themselves to be the "People of the town" and they speak the "language of the town" which is Swahili.

What you need to understand is Swahili people don't occupy every inch of the Kenyan coast, they share it with other tribes, just like in southern Somalia. So, the Tunni Somalis may be from Barawa but the medieval coral town of Barawa is a Swahili settlement, hence why they speak Swahili.

An this Ajuraan empire liberating everyone, please give me primary sources so i can read about this history of East Africa.

The settlement was established by the Tunni Somalis, they came there first and the city was developed further by the ruling House of Garen of the Ajuuraan royalty. The only thing I can attribute to the Barawani community is that they expanded the city, they came as Merchants in Merca and Barawa and the two towns saw another influx of Swahilis when the Zanzibaris landed.
Tunnis themselves don't speak Somali, they speak their own language but it is not very far from the Somali language.

The medieval town of Gondershe looked quite similar to Barawa, it had similar architecture with all white buildings and it wasn't a Barawani or Swahili settlement.

You can read about the Ottoman-Ajuuraan fleet taking on the Portuguese in East Africa here: Portuguese rule and Spanish crown in South Africa.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Norway To Blame For South Sudan War: AU by ArtanK(m): 5:32am On Mar 19, 2015

thoth:
why would AU allow Europeans to broker peace in Africa in the first place ?

This weak little country is very active in the oil-rich East African countries. It is currently backing Kenya's attempt to annex a large portion of Somalia's maritime territory because of all the oil there. One only has to look at Norway's top exports to understand what exactly they are doing in South Sudan.

Culture › Re: Black Girl Fights Somali Girl Cause Somali Girl Has Nice Hair by ArtanK(m): 5:09am On Mar 19, 2015

Yawn, acting surprised when your the one who liked Gerald's post. First you claim the cities then deny it.

Choose a side and stick to it.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Monaco Vs Arsenal: UCL (0 - 2) On 17th March 2015 by ArtanK(m): 4:23am On Mar 19, 2015

EnlightenedSoul:
Others are sulking, meanwhile. Don't be mean.

Can't help it but I enjoy their misery grin

Welcome back.

Culture › Re: The New Mogadishu by ArtanK(m): 4:21am On Mar 19, 2015

BluIvy:
You make sick sense. Where would i take my battles when the thread is where the evil insults about Bantus are spewed? are you a moderator? Is this your forum? If you had tried to stop him and gave up we should not respond to him? Yet let him go on undetered in spilling his disgusting rubbish?

You are actually also a racist like him. You enjoyed his disgusting comments now that you have someone giving him his tit for tat, you are pained and coming up to tell people to stop? Well you have to give up on me to while I insult the Somalis. My deaf ears are switched on too!

Nonsense

You sound like you are new here, we've had worse insults than your petty jokes thrown at us because of him. Tell me how am I enjoying his trolling? I'm probably the only one who reports his posts and continuously urge the mods to ban him. You need to read through this thread before making these accusations.

Your tribesmen started the provocations in this thread, you should be addressing them first.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Monaco Vs Arsenal: UCL (0 - 2) On 17th March 2015 by ArtanK(m): 2:25am On Mar 18, 2015

Let us laugh a little more at Arsenal for losing to Monaco grin

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Culture › Re: The New Mogadishu by ArtanK(m): 2:18am On Mar 18, 2015

BluIvy:
Hey you bloody agent, shut the efff up if you don't have anything to say. This fckken thread was created to insult a people and you say we should swallowing the rubbish this guy has been spewing against us? Do not let my irritation down on you. Please look away if you can't handle. Its enough of this nonsense, it has gone to far.

Don't you think we've tried to stop him? I've spoken out against Axum/Ajuran's blatant racism and trolling episodes many times. It falls on deaf ears.
I tried to change the course of this thread and it even died out for a while but a certain buffoon was hellbent on making it was it is now.

I'm saying take your battles elsewhere, silly remarks don't bother me.

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Culture › Re: The New Mogadishu by ArtanK(m): 2:12am On Mar 18, 2015

gallivant:
Typical cop out manouvre, not so fast.What are the chances you collect welfare, am guessing a 92percent chance, just like your kinfolk in America and Europe.

Lol, you're the master of cop outs. I've already quoted you many times, you'll find the exact moment you had your tail between your legs in your mentions.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Ex-egypt Ruler Hosni Mubarakcleared Of Corruption And Murdercharges by ArtanK(m): 9:33pm On Mar 17, 2015

juman:
Muslim brotherhood would be their forever Insha Allah, despite the persecution from the government.

Quran 35:10.
http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/nora/html/35-10.html

Muslim brotherhood are no angels. A lot of Egyptians were relieved when they were ousted by Sisi. Let's just say the Egyptian people are between a rock and a hard place.

Culture › Re: The New Mogadishu by ArtanK(m): 9:29pm On Mar 17, 2015

gallivant:
Or else what? Please give us a break!

Its funny you have it on your head that you challenged me. Please do tell Lol.

Go through my posts and you'll see. You have nothing better to do anyway because you're here day and night. grin

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Culture › Re: Black Girl Fights Somali Girl Cause Somali Girl Has Nice Hair by ArtanK(m): 9:25pm On Mar 17, 2015

gallivant:
Some people just can't handle the facts lol.Great essay though, would make a great story.

As usual, you're cheerleading from the sidelines. But I was hoping that you'd say that.

Everything I mentioned can be found in these journals/books.

Journal of African history, Volume 7 by Roland Anthony Oliver & J. D. Fage

Northeast African Studies, Volume 2.

The Origins of the Galla and Somali in The Journal of African History by Herbert S. Lewis

The End of slavery in Africa By Suzanne Miers and Richard L. Roberts

Historical Dictionary of Somalia, p. 210.

Put away the pompoms and read through them or you can keep on claiming Somali cities in your heads. grin

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Culture › Re: Black Girl Fights Somali Girl Cause Somali Girl Has Nice Hair by ArtanK(m): 9:12pm On Mar 17, 2015

GERALD710:
My people ruled yours for 1000 years, Mogadishu Barawe Kismayu were all part of the Sultanate of Zanzibar and the Somalis were at the same hierachy as the slaves from TZ. Somali history is greater..Copy pasting from the Arabs is what you were doing and stealing our architecture too. Thank God our language was not stolen too.The way you people convert every language into something you have to spit...I shudder at the thought.

Incredible, with all the information that's available online, you utter a lie this big? Astonishing claims but here is the early history of Mogadishu, Merca, and Barawa.

The Sultan of Zanzibar ruled Merca, Barawa and parts of Mogadishu for less than 100 years and even then, the Sultan was paying tribute to the Gobroon rulers of the Somali Geledi sultanate. This was in the late 19th century.

Mogadishu (Hamar).

In the 12th century, the famous Syrian historian, Al-Hamawi mentioned Mogadishu's Somali ruler Abu Bakar Sayh and he also mentioned that the city was inhabited by dark-skinned Berbers (old-age Somalis). The Sultanate of Mogadishu then expanded and became the Ajuuraan dynasty. Although Emozeidi Arabs were present in the city, there is no record of an Arab ever being the Sultan of the city.
Mogadishan coins bearing the name of the Somali ruler Ali Yusuf of Mogadishu was found as far away as the UAE. The Omanis you are sucking up to also excavated coins with the names of Somali sultans in Dhofar, Oman.

Merca

This city was found by its present inhabitants, the Somali Bimaal clan and the Hawiya. Hence why another Arab historian called Ibn Sa'id in the 13th century called it the capital of the Hawiya country.
It was an important city for the Ajuuraan empire and played a vital role in the Ajuuraan-Portuguese wars. The city's Bimaal Sultanate also fought against the Italians in a 20-year struggle known as the Bimaal revolt.

Barawa

It was also found by a Somali clan, the Tunni clan. This city was sacked by the Portuguese and was quickly liberated by the Ajuuraan forces. If the Sultan of Zanzibar was indeed ruling Barawa, how come he didn't prevent the Portuguese from sacking it and why didn't he assist the Ajuuraan in reclaiming the city?
The city's non-ethnic Somalis only came to the city in the last 200 years or so when the Gobroon sultanate allowed the Zanzibaris to live there.

The Zanzibaris/Swahilis have never ruled over Somalis, they were too weak to fight their own battles hence why the Ajuuraan naval forces, while assisting the Omanis, helped liberate their towns from the Portuguese.

As for Kismayo, we're newcomers to that town. We conquered it only 160 years ago after we crossed the river Juba. It's previous Bantu/Swahili inhabitants fled the town as soon as we touched down.

It's not the first time you've lied about the Somali coastal towns. It's like me saying that Somalis ruled Lamu and Mombasa. No one stole anything from you because you weaklings have always been insignificant on Somali territory. Don't claim us.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Ex-egypt Ruler Hosni Mubarakcleared Of Corruption And Murdercharges by ArtanK(m): 12:06am On Mar 17, 2015

juman:
All the power belongs to God.

Quran 61:8

That is true but how is this verse relevant to this topic?

Culture › Re: The New Mogadishu by ArtanK(m): 12:04am On Mar 17, 2015

gallivant:
Get off my balls please. I don't do groupies, don't address me again.

You mean the balls that disappear every time I challenge you, GFTO of this thread. Kunt.

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Culture › Re: Why Can't People Embrace Pan-africanism? Why So Much Hatred On This Forum?? by ArtanK(m): 11:18pm On Mar 16, 2015

axum:
Is this an acknowledgement of my prowess that I detect?

Warya, I've found you on multiple forums. One of these days I will expose you.

If only you spent less time sucking white/arab a** and spent more time doing something productive with your life.

Culture › Re: Why Can't People Embrace Pan-africanism? Why So Much Hatred On This Forum?? by ArtanK(m): 11:15pm On Mar 16, 2015

gallivant:
To whose disadvantsge? Somalia image has been tarnished. I pity the fool.

So one man posting silly remarks on a petty forum can tarnish the name of a whole country? Phaha take a chill pill, the internet is not that serious.

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Culture › Re: The New Mogadishu by ArtanK(m): 11:12pm On Mar 16, 2015

Fulaman198:
LOL I think the funny thing is that Axum created this thread sadly

He's so used to trolling that he trolls without even knowing LOL. Ruined a good thread yet again.

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