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Politics / Re: Tension! Biafra Secret Service Training With N/D Guys,send Strong Warnin Buratai by asorocker: 6:49am On Aug 16, 2017
ProWalker:


Why would you want to go to war when you are not self sufficient in food?
How is gbagada today?

There is no part of Nigeria that is self sufficient in food today , the North still imports salt , the west still import onions and tomatoes while the east still import onions and tomatoes. The basic staple food consumed in the east is grown in the East.

That

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Travel / Re: Opinion: 5 Reasons Why Lagos Is Better Than Abuja by asorocker: 8:30am On Aug 13, 2017
Because of ritual forests, flooding, building collapse, area boy syndrome, unfriendly business climate, meddlesomeness of the administrative arm on the private businesses of Igbos and collapse of infrastructure abuja will overtake Lagos and become both the administrative and commercial capital soon.

More over Lagos is at the extreme end of the west while abuja is at the centre of Nigeria.
Lagos is grossly limited in land space abujs has unlimited land for now, lagos lacks a friendly business atmosphere while abuja is regarded as a no man's land and a land for every tom dick and harry.

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Politics / Re: ''Arewa Youths Go To Hell'': Nnamdi Kanu Storms Anambra (Photos, Video) by asorocker: 7:55pm On Aug 10, 2017
LordOfNaira:


Because he is inciting violence.

Nnamdi KANU has stared time with out number that he is only interested in referendum and Biafra and in all his rallies he never mentioned anything violence

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Politics / Re: ''Arewa Youths Go To Hell'': Nnamdi Kanu Storms Anambra (Photos, Video) by asorocker: 7:43pm On Aug 10, 2017
LordOfNaira:
For the sake of Igbos living in the North who have built empires through sweat and tears and who have a lot to lose if there is breakdown of law and order, Nnamdi Kanu should be arrested and the person who placed those placards in those children's hands be charged with inciteful statements!!!

Igbos need to understand that there are Igbos who have investments running into millions and millions of naira in the North. Kanu has no investments in the North and he would find it easier to escape from the country when violence erupts. The police should either arrest Kanu now or invite him to warn him to control his zealous followers. There are better ways to ask for referendum than making or allowing violent statements to be made by your followers. If war breaks out, it is the Igbos who have worked hard through decades to build their businesses that would lose a lot.

Please can you state one reason why kano should be arrested what offence has he committed

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Politics / Re: The Upsurge In Ritual Killings In Yorubaland South West Nigeria by asorocker: 9:30am On Aug 10, 2017
Kettykin once pointed out 5 evils that Will sink Lagos and people abused him. The truth why some regions are finished will emerge with time, rumors have it that why most traditional rulers font speak against ritual killing is that it is their heritage. They only talk about Clifford orji meanwhile from Lagos to Abeokuta you have a million plus ritual gardens if Clifford was that stupid he would have tried his ritual stuff in the East.

The most painful part is that they use people including other tribes for their rituals.

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Politics / Re: Igbo Assets In Nigeria Total $100 Trillion + Diezani Madueke $1 Trillion Loots! by asorocker: 10:10pm On Aug 09, 2017
oladeebo:
Why Igbo still cry of marginalization?
where as they were to be an African richest tribe!
What igbo want to be in Nigeria?
Can igbo be bigger in Biafra than in Nigeria?
This is a UN Diplomat query!
Oladeebo.

Why are you taking panadol over another man's headache ,are you a Biafran

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Politics / Re: Anambra Election: ‘arrest And Detain Nnamdi Kanu’ Now…edwin Clark Explodes by asorocker: 10:23pm On Aug 06, 2017
Why detain him, why not convince the electorate first
Politics / Re: We May Vote A Southerner In 2019, Anyone But Buhari – Arewa Youth Coalition by asorocker: 7:34pm On Aug 06, 2017
The question is will there be 2019 election, will there be Nigeria by 2019. It seems this people don't think beyond their nostrils.

For the benefit of doubt the problem is beyond buhari but the satanic cult masquerading as a political party. APC is really worse than demonic and should be left in the hottest part of hell.

RIP in advance Northerners

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Religion / Re: Igbo Man Describes Jesus As Greek Idol, Warns Igbos To Stop Worshipping Him by asorocker: 7:26am On Aug 06, 2017
fk001:
Biafra the land of surprises

Biafra the land of no respect

Biafra the land of hustlers both legal and illegal ( majority illegal hustling)

Biafra the land of intolerance

Biafra the land of caste system( Where by Abia and Anambara are more superior than others)

Oo my Biafra when will you come to wipe our tears, we waited for you for so long.

The vultures coming uninvited to a feast, they want to feast on abandoned bank deposits and abandoned property but it will not happen again

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Politics / Re: FG May Fund Lagos-Ibadan Expressway From Supplementary Budget by asorocker: 6:48am On Aug 06, 2017
Why can't Lagos government fund this road
Politics / Re: Marshall Plan For Igbos Residing In The North by asorocker: 11:16pm On Aug 05, 2017
The op is right this thread Is timely, if igbos had contingent plans in the 60s the civil war would have been a walk over
Politics / Re: Marshall Plan For Igbos Residing In The North by asorocker: 11:15pm On Aug 05, 2017
Stricker321:
The MB have dissociated themselves from the arewa youths. Personally I feel we should be more concerned about Igbo's in the core north.

My advise is that all women and children return first for a start.

We have to work ways of assisting the returnees to settle down and have a means of sustenance in the East
Politics / Re: This Is How Government Of Nigeria Killed The Dreams Of Dr.ezekiel Izuogu by asorocker: 8:08pm On Aug 05, 2017
Basic123:
This pigs have started with their victim mentality again.

The vultures have come to feast uninvited

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Politics / Re: Anti-Igbo Song Calling For Genocide In Circulation In Northern Nigeria - Group by asorocker: 7:59pm On Aug 05, 2017
The whole north will be turned into IDP camps by October

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Politics / Re: Monarch Tells Igbo: Don’t Trust Arewa Youths, Prepare Defense Against Oct 1 by asorocker: 9:55pm On Jul 31, 2017
#igbo must go
Politics / Re: Northen Youths To Withdraw Igbo Quit Notice by asorocker: 5:43am On Jul 31, 2017
Igbos don't really care anymore

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Politics / Re: Biafra Can Only Be Achieved By WAR by asorocker: 8:50am On Jul 30, 2017
DerideGull:


The bolded is another Gowon-styled self aggrandizement. In 1967, Gowon boasted it will couple of weeks to do away with Biafra and took well-equipped with numerical advantage on its side as well as unconditional foreign support almost three years to subdue Biafra.
But really was Biafra subdued militarily or did they abandon the war to stop further starvation induced death caused by incompetent foools in uniform masquerading as war heroes. The same country has not said anything about 97 death in calabar caused by Cameroon or the wanton destruction in the north east

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Politics / Re: Northern Governors Meet In Kaduna, Discuss Biafra Agitation, Restructuring by asorocker: 10:09pm On Jul 28, 2017
This people and their misplaced priorities
Politics / Re: Serious Treason As Graduating Children Pose With Biafra Flag PICS VIDEO by asorocker: 8:17am On Jul 28, 2017
1shortblackboy:
those of u encouraging all this i hope we dont see kwashiokwor ravaged children down the road......... and if ur wondering YES IM AFRAID OF A WAR
And what is stopping you from using the same kwashiorkor against book haram that has slaughtered an unquantified number of soldiers in borno ,must you be remain direction less all your life. Soldiers are being slaughtered in borno and all you do is to threaten nursery school pupils
Politics / Re: Serious Treason As Graduating Children Pose With Biafra Flag PICS VIDEO by asorocker: 8:14am On Jul 28, 2017
IpobExposed:
See how this same school made their pupils sang Biafra songs that day Kanu came to Ebonyi state. They graduated today.

But Biafra family writers refused to tell us the name of the stupid school committing this treason against federal government

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0hkDRJeq8c

You and your brainless federal government should take your infantile, ignorant ,directionles, clueless, foolish fight against treason to borno state where countless soldiers have been slaughtered by insurgents . for the last time leave unarmed protesters alone.
Politics / Re: God Made Trump President To Humble America by asorocker: 7:28am On Jul 23, 2017
Lies from the devil of Nigeria
Politics / Re: IPOB Set To Make A Powerful Announcement That Will Shock Nigeria - Game Changer by asorocker: 4:26am On Jul 23, 2017
See how some people would rather than let Biafra be.

This is to me an abnormal anathema. You cry Igbos should leave your flooded towns and village and give them October 1st dead line and when they want finally want to leave someone is talking about Delta and rivers and military as if bakassi was not taken under their hypocritical nostrils.


The day united states president will openly support Biafra is the day Nigeria will cease to exist in world map with S S and S E

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Politics / Re: Ohanaeze Youth Council Begging Arena Youth To Remain In North by asorocker: 11:45am On Jul 22, 2017
I knew someone from south west would publish a counterfeit to the original story

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Politics / Re: Quit Notice On Igbos: Our Plans Working Perfectly Well - Arewa Youth Leader by asorocker: 11:16am On Jul 22, 2017
Igbos need to cut this people to size and leave the north

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Politics / Re: Is Diezani The Biggest Thief In Nigerian History? by asorocker: 7:34am On Jul 21, 2017
Siemens thieves and haliburton thieves are now in APC so are no longer thieves, how about the thieve who single handedly built a TV station, radio station, oriental hotel, an air line, a newspaper company, shopping complexes and some local government areas in lekki, I guess the hypocrisy in the DNA of APC will prevent them from seeing that.


Hypocrisy runs in the DNA of APC

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Politics / Re: What Will Happen If There Is No Election In Anambra State by asorocker: 5:26am On Jul 20, 2017
nwaanambra1:
ATTENTION NDI ANAMBRA GBURUGBURU!

For those shouting no election in Anambra State - especially those among you who are from our state, have you even sat for a moment and thought about the implications of boycotting election in Anambra State?

Well, based on the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria - which Anambra state is still part of, discouraging or hindering people from exercising their franchise in an election is classified as treason and in some cases terrorism.

we all know that many people will want to go and vote so as to chose who will govern them- but based on the high number of ipob touts deployed to anambra state by nnamdi kanu, many people out of fear of being victimized will chose to stay indoors - just like it happened during the previous stay at home order by ipob. forcing people to stay indoors is classified as terrorism - that's a crime against the state.

WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL DO WHEN THE ELECTION IS BOYCOTTED

If ipob led by nnamdi kanu succeeds in forcing people not to exercise their franchise during the elections by staying at home, the federal government will declare at state of emergency in Anambra State - the constitution will be suspended for as long as it takes to restore order - which may last for more than two or three years.

A military administrator from the north will be appointed to govern Anambra State for the period the state of emergency will be in place.
curfew will be declared from dusk till down - and anything that moves in between those periods will be shot at - and shot to kill.

Nigerian soldiers will be deployed in the entire south east but especially in Anambra State. This military occupation will last for an upward of two to three years. Anambra state will be fully governed by the military.

THE IMPACT OF STATE OF EMERGENCY ON NDI ANAMBRA

If state of emergency is declared in Anambra State even for one week, the impact will be so devastating that we may not recover from it for the next five years! how much more if it lasts for a year! don't forget that terrorism and hunting down terrorist doesn't just end in a week or months!

the federal might will be in Anambra for nothing less than one year and during these period, all the economic advancement made by ndi Anambra and its various active governors starting from Ngige down to peter obi and being consolidated by Obiano will all be destroyed!

the vibrant economy being jealously guided by ndi Anambra will be striped to shreds by the invading army! Anambra State will be looted to the ground!

we all know the modus operandi of the Nigerian security apparatus - which is shoot then ask questions later, many ndi Anambra will lost their lives for the simple reason that they were walking too fast while going to buy bread - the casualties will be too much that it may end up touching every household in anambra state!

the army will use Anambra State for Target practice - they can target your house and bomb it - or even your entire village and bomb it and claim that it is the hideout of ipob terrorist - if they can do it in borno which is their state how much worse do u think they will do to an infidel state in an infidel land! they will rape our fine girls, kill our young men and mess our vibrant cities and villages!

And guess what? nothing will happen! you know why? because we are in a state of emergency - the constitution has been suspended. human rights is now totally on hold! anything goes!

WHAT IPOB WILL DO NEXT WHEN STATE OF EMERGENCY IS DECLARED IN ANAMBRA STATE

After the declaration of the state of emergency in Anambra State, all the imported ipob touts will disappear from Anambra State as fast as their legs will carry them! then the army will begin to kill innocent ndi Anambra youths who are never members of ipob and brand them ipob terrorist (once the state of emergency is declared, the securities will stop calling them touts and miscreants but will start calling them terrorists).

the ipob miscreants will relocate to Enugu State and start their protest there - do u know why Enugu state?

because the Abia and Imo miscreants are too smart to expose their state to such anarchy! they will never take their protest to Abia and Iimo State! ask yourself - how many times have they taken their protest to Imo or Abia State? they hold their peaceful meetings in Abia and Imo but hold their riotous protest in anambra and enugu and port harcourt!

you know why? because an average Imo and Abia man are so self centered and naturally jealous of any one ahead of them! if truth be told, Anambra and Enugu state are so far ahead of these two states and are advancing faster than they can catch up hence their desire to destroy it - by the time they are done destroying Anambra and Enugu and are heading towards port-harcourt, things would av been settled and no harm will come upon their states of Abia and Imo!

after destroying Anambra - they will face Enugu and do same to it.

BY THE TIME THE HEAT IS HOT AND KANU IS DECLARED WANTED - HE WOULD AV TAKEN OFF WITH HIS ENTIRE FAMILY AND HEAD BACK TO EUROPE THRU THE BACK EXIT AND LEAVE OTHERS TO BEAR THE BRUNT OF THE INVADING ARMY!

whenever a man talks and brags that he will defend something with his life - believe me there lies a liar and a coward who will never make any sacrifice with his goat talk less of his life! Pete Edochie.

NDI AMANBRA - WHERE IS OUR SENSE OF PRIDE IN OUR STATE? WHERE IS THE WISDOM WE ARE KNOWN FOR?

My question to any one joining in shouting no election in Anambra state is - is this what you want for our dear state?

Is the fake struggle for Biafra worth destroying our state which we have worked so hard to raise it to this level?

I will advice each and every one of our indegenes joining nnamdi kanu to please go and read up history - biafran civil war destroyed mostly only Anambra and Enugu State - the present day Abia and Imo states were relatively left untouched - hence it is still a mystery to the people of these two states how we survived the destruction so fast and still leap ahead of them!

Do not let history to repeat itself in our state again!

CHARITY THEY SAY BEGINS AT HOME! LET NNAMDI KANU START HIS CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE FROM ABIA STATE!

IF NNAMDI KANU WANTS TO CREATE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE LET HIM START FROM ABIA STATE! LET HIM START BY UNSEATING THE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT OF IKPEAZU - AFTER DOING THAT, WE WILL JOIN HIM IN STOPPING DEMOCRACY IN OTHER EASTERN STATES!

Ndi Anambra please open your eyes! use your God given brain which we are known to possess in abundance in Anambra State!

DON'T LET NNAMDI KANU USE OUR STATE FOR HIS IPOB EXPERIMENT!

NDI ANAMBRA IBEM! PLEASE DON'T ALLOW NNAMDI KANU AND HIS IMPORTED IPOB TOUTS TO DESTROY OUR STATE WHICH WE HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO UPLIFT!



UDO DIRI ANAMBRA!

ANAMBRA ADI GO NMA!

EJIRO NWA DIBIA ENENE NSI!

ANAMBRA SAYS NO TO IPOB

#ELECTIONMUSTHOLDINANAMBRASTATE!

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mind44 and lalasticlala - please can you take this to front page so my Anambra brothers can read it.

Agwo no na akirika - its time for adults to hunt the snake down before children will set the grass thatched hut ablaze in their quest to kill the snake hiding in the thatched roof!


Ndi Igbo said its better to hunt the black goat on time before darkness comes and swallow it!


Okenye anaghi ano nu lo ewu amuo n'ogbo!


oyibo si ri na to be fore-warned is to be for-armed!



You have just endorsed no election in anambra, you think you by posting this you will weaken the resolve of igbos not to boycott election ? Sometimes I wonder why people don't understand the Igbo psyche. You have just told anambra people not to vote.

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Politics / Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by asorocker: 8:08pm On Jul 17, 2017
IbosEnvyYorubas:
100% Yoruba made

Grandsoles

www.nairaland.com/attachments/5645924_download_jpeg9e044ea0ed5817381b189680f392bafe

Don't even go near shoes, Igbo shoe industry are by far the biggest, largest and best in Afro.
It is like comparing Yoruba footballers with Igbo footballers ,Igbo's football industry dwarfs Yoruba by far margin
Politics / Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by asorocker: 8:03pm On Jul 17, 2017
scholes0:
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Biggest Payment Platform in Nigeria.


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We don't play with sand, we run big stuff.

Mitchell elegbe of interswitch is not Yoruba

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Politics / Re: Igbo's We Are Systematically Endangering The Existence Of Our Manufacturers by asorocker: 8:09pm On Jul 15, 2017
afonjaheadhunt:
Igbo's please we have made our point on "What have Yoruba produced?" Thread, we have shown not just Nairalanders, Nigerians but the entire globe what we have been able to achieve in Nigeria against all odd, that thread have shown the Igbo ingenuity, innovation and doggedness as a matter of fact it has gone a long way to show what an Igbo nation is capable of achieving, even the Yorubas that created the thread were confined to a status of mere onlookers and were subjected to admiration of our ingenuity in fact many of them doubted it and believed that our companies showcased are random foreign companies whose picture were recycled from google. That goes to show how far we have gone in terms of technological advancement, manufacturing and innovation and to think that most of the heavy machinery used in those companies were fabricated in the east, Aba precisely is a thing of joy and pride.

However that is not the point of this thread, Igbos are know to be wise, and it is not surprise that the three wise men came from the east, however our actions on that thread is not one that portrays wisdom especially in the society that we find ourselves today. Igbo's let us be wise in our actions, it is true that Igbo's believes in Equity, equality and justice for all, we also know Igbo's are Liberals, Capitalist, democratic in custom, but we must not assume that the border context "Nigeria" that we find ourself today Shares these same ideals and ideologies with Igbo's, we might just be shooting ourselves in the foot by trying to take pride in our achievement while it is a thing of joy and honor, however our current border context does not support this. We must realize that we are doing some of these our great sons and daughters a great disservice by showcasing them the way we are doing, I must confess I am guilty of this on that thread, we must realize that some of these companies receive massive patronage because many people are not aware they are made in Igboland.

In addition many of these Igbo executives and chiefs who own these companies are riding to success cause their products are assumed to be imported and most of them export their products, many of us must realize that the Igbo's are the only ones in the federation who don't care where a product is manufactured as long as it is made in Nigeria however that cannot be said of any other tribe except maybe the Hausa Fulani too who don't care. It is only the Igbo man that will see a product boldly written made in Ogun, Jos, Kano, Kaduna, and does not care as long as it is made in Nigeria Igbo's will patronize it. However that cannot be said when a Yoruba or other Nigerians see a product made in Onitsha, Nnewi, Aba, Enugu, even when these products are unrivaled in the market and have proven to be the best or smashed every fail or credibility test you still hear Pharses like, "Igbo made" "Aba made" "Omo nna product" especially when these product come from the east, this why our manufacturers would prefer to write made in FRC or made in India.

We all know the issue Yorubas have with Innoson is that it is not made in Lagos or Ogun, so expanding his plant to Uyo infuriated them even further. Also we must realize that showcasing our indigenous industrialization prowess will make leaders in power make policies that will be unfavorable for Igbo industrialist, We all saw it happen to Ibeto, Slok, Erisco just to name a few, even Innoson was made to face established foreign competition to stifle the growth of the company if not for the doggedness of the Igbo man the company would have long closed shop as many had expected. We must also realize that the reason many Yoruba artisans like mechanics, technicians, carpenters, always advice you to buy Tokunbo over new products when it comes to car, generators or motorcycles spare parts was because many of these products are manufactured in the East, ignorantly I did not know this and would always buy the used parts as being superior to the locally manufactured new ones which I was made to consider inferior. However what these artisans would not tell you is that the new ones are made in Nigeria, made in the East, primarily their reasons for boycotting it.

My experience in 2014, my Honda EOD would always have issues with the stabilizing links and I would always change them monthly with tokunbo as advised by my mechanics so after this continued for too long, I felt i was being used and deceived by these guys I angrily told them on the next repair to by a new one instead of the Tokunbo that would always spoil after a few weeks, the mechanic disgruntled however heed to my words and bought a new one I checked the name it was "HACO" I did not bother to check were it was manufactured (Buying HACO was be best decision i took for that car since I bought it) after the mechanic was done with installation and upon inspecting I discovered that the screws were loosely holding the tires I kept mute drove to a safe distance tightened the screws and called the mech to tell him that my tires flew out while I was in motion, before I even finished the statement he was already shouting Oga shebi I tell you say, make you buy Tokunbo you talk say na new one you want, at this point I dropped the call and went to the trunk of the car to check where the product was manufactured, it was boldly written made in Nnewi, then I realized how far some people could go to discredit an Igbo mans product, Interestingly I never had to change that link until after 8 months when the car was due for service, Now I use only new products even if it is made in Togo.

Another scenario, before I never knew A-Z was owned by an Igbo man in fact I used to think it was owned by "Mummy" princess Bola Jegede, the Owner of A-z schools which I attended and she also has a football academy, however I was wrong, before then my mechanics (Another Mechanic) apparently like myself was also ignorant of this too, he advice me that if I wanted the best engine life for my car that I should always use A-z he said it was so good people used it if their cars had gearbox problems, then to my greatest surprised here on Nairaland I realize that A-z was owned by an Igbo man I shared this information it with my mechanic because of the way he promotes it he argued with me and said it was owned by a Yoruba the same woman I assumed when I convinced him showed him proofs beyond doubt he kept mute, on the next service he brought AP, when I asked him why AP he said "A-z fake done full market" I refused using the AP and said I would get the original A-z myself, which I did, afterall he told me if I want the best engine life I should always use A-z so I insisted.

I did not suspect any fowl play or lie however, it dawned on me when the same thing repeated it self, He advice I always use seahorse ATF stating that it was the best on the market, when i told him that the product was setting up a factory in the east and was owned by an Igbo man, on the next service he came with Master ATF, when I asked him why masters ATF he said "Seahorse fake done full market" i did not bother telling him that master ATF was owned by an Igbo man since then my car have been using Masters ATF. So Ndigbo this is why I call on us to use wisdom, we know what we are capable of we do not owe anyone any explanations neither do we have to prove anything to anybody, instead of engaging in this unhealthy back and forth with Yorubas thereby endangering our manufacturers exploits please let us try to add more value to the East by patronizing them, setting up more industries and protecting the existing ones not exposing them to danger, I would have added some encounters i faced promoting my products too, but this thread is already too long.

Igbo's let be wise and guided. Daalu nu.

Inasmuch as igbos don't have comparism in Africa, if these folks failed to bury Igbo's with scorched earth policies like the 20 pounds policy, the indigenization policy, banning and blocking imports via eastern ports, frustration of Enugu international airport nothing would make their antics against igbos work.

A lesson Igbos have tought the world is the lesson of dogged and never say die.

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Politics / Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by asorocker: 5:37am On Jul 14, 2017
Markfemi2:


Are they not productions ?
We have showed your services and goods we produce which are all number 1
Your people are showing 3 things emzor innoson lol

What does spars and chicken republic produce
Politics / Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by asorocker: 4:45am On Jul 14, 2017
How on earth can someone be posting about supermarket, eatery, and a sanitary pad company as an achievement
Politics / Re: Yoruba Youths Storm US Embassy Over IPOB Suit Against Army by asorocker: 1:19am On Jul 14, 2017
Did anyone notice that there was never a protest against bakassi court case, as for buratai, he is gone ,he will learn that shooting at unarmed protesters is wrong

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