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Amotolongbo:
If God has nothing to do with evil, immorality and abomination in name of everything, then you are invariably saying that God has nothing to do with the earth cos those are the major things happening on earth.

yes he at the moment has nothing to do with the earth (1 john 5:19) that place clearly states the whole world is lying in the hand of the wicked One (obviously we all know who the wicked one is. Most certainly it is not God) and that is why you usually pray for his kingdom to come. You remember our lord's prayer?..... Our father who is in the heaven... Let your kingdom come.

rottennaija:
A member that has come to the realization that the beliefs are not true and has written letter stopping his association with the group. He no longer attends your meeting, he has no interest in the group, neither discuss it or anything.

What is the sin there? How does he stumble others that you shun him or her? So that even in the road, he greets and you decide not to answer? How will is letter ending his association with the group he doesn't believe is the truth a bad seed? A bad association?

lol...why will someone greet u and u won't reply? If someone says good morning, a reasonable person will reply with good morning....what a jw won't do when he meet someone who chose to go out of jah's flock is sit with him and start gisting about unnecessary things cos na were the stumbling block go set...saying things to stray away from God worship. So that is why they just avoid people like that... besides be bible clearly stated that an apostate should be cut off from the flock so has not to stumble other people with their false teaching. This is were I will end my explanation. If u av any other questions, visit jw.org or DM if you have REAL QUESTIONS to things you don't know. But if u DM with an allegation I'm sorry I won't answer

achorladey:
Bolded 1. What's the essence of don't bother asking more questions and The e.g you cited, which of the publication did u see it, give me the publication so I can explain what the publication was saying

Related to bolded 1. Everything about JWs witnesses including their NUMEROUS manuals you mean to say are on the website?

Bolded 2. Where in Matthew 24:45 did Jesus says the Faithful and discreet slave is the Governing Body of JWs? I will know if that scripture is made to fit your narratives or not? When was that doctrine changed to mean it's meant for the GB of JWs? Finally show me your OWN personal research OUTSIDE of the publications of JWs to make you accept that Matthew 24:45 is pointing straight to the GB of JWs

3. JWs don't divorce for so many reasons ABI because it's JWs. Its other so called Christian that do so. The fact you stated they do have problems like every other CHRISTIAN is enough for me. The problem vary from degree to degree. It's the one you know you know. At least you know JWs can purposely commit adultery to marry someone else


4. The e.g you cited, which of the publication did u see it, give me the publication so I can explain what the publication was saying

Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12

But Jehovah's servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things." Watchtower 2007 Dec 15 p.14

That faithful slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel." Watchtower 2013 Jul 15 p.20

But Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave", made up of spirit-anointed ones, to help Christians in all nations to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do." Watchtower 1981 Dec 1 p.27


Concerning the believer and unbeliever palaver or baptized or unbaptized palaver. You didn't get the information conveyed. I will bring it down to just one question.

Do JWs see an unbaptized born and bred by a JW and had completed the study program as a BELIEVER?

Look the below before you respond

For the most part, an individual is an unbaptized publisher only for a limited period of time, until he progresses to the point of baptism. So the above counsel to marry only in the Lord is not unreasonable. What, though, if someone is of marriageable age, has been brought up in a Christian family( ma fo JW family lo tumo si), has been active in the congregation for a number of years, and serves as an unbaptized publisher? Well, what has held him back from giving his life to Jehovah in dedication? Why does he hesitate? Does he have doubts? While he is not an unbeliever, he cannot be spoken of as being “in the Lord.”w04 7/1 30-31........... article based on 1 Corinthians 6:14.

ok.... Like I said earlier, I am not going to respond to anything to defend the organisation here anymore. Most especially if I see it is just to brew argument. If u have any question, visit the organisation website. If you want to know why I am convinced that jw is the true religion and u genuinely want to know, DM me and we will have a mature conversation. Once I see you are trying to insult me, I go just free u

achorladey:
you only live once. When everything is getting worse and it is really obvious that the world will end, I will run back to the organisation


The above towards the end of your post It's more like SALVATION is in the ORGANIZATION of JWS not outside of it . Any scripture for this belief? That someone could say such means the person has been taught that way and EQUALLY BELIEVE it.

well, that is what is called conviction....we don't do interfaith

rottennaija:
Do you shun former members?

if they plan to sow bad seed in the organisation, and also try to stumble others with their sinful ways, yes we shun them. But we don't stop them from attending service

achorladey:
1. The first I bolded, is it everything about JWs that is on the WEBSITE?

2. Will you readily accept bolded 2 applies equally to JWS?

3. Do fellow JWs have problems, issues, marital separation, divorce like those Jws who marry a like you love to call THEM CHURCHGOERS?

Note: No one asked you to tell us if it is a SIN to marry a CHURCHGOER. I only SAID tell the person you are posting to that JWs don't practice SHUNNING?

atoleybaba: and not just listen to twisted info that isn't even true

Achorladey: When someone even cite the publication of the ORGANIZATION you belong it is often seen as TWISTED info that is not TRUE.

E CLEAR. e.g in numerous publication of your organization says no one can understand the BIBLE outside of the ORGANIZATION? Is it twisted INFO or it is TRUE?

Reason along with the below.....

At least I have seen in your publications where someone that has completed the BIBLE STUDY program not baptized is seen as a BELIEVER while a baptized CHURCHGOER fully devoted even with high moral standard than some in your ORGANIZATION is seen as UNBELIEVER.

How will you corelate the ABOVE?

Since someone that is not baptized is seen as a BELIEVER in your ORGANIZATION why can't such person marry based on 1 Corinthians 6:14 as highlighted by Chantinent?

Or, if it's baptism that determines who is a BELIEVER then the question becomes ....

why do your same ORGANIZATION see person that is not baptized as a BELIEVER?

ok bro..I am already doing more than I should do. But I will reply these quote only so don't bother asking more.(if u want to know more, visit jw.org or send me a mail then we can talk privately.
So to address the questions you asked:
1. Yes you can find all the answers about jw on the website (that is why it is called the organisation website na ) and u can navigate the site with any language of Ur choice so u can understand the contents on the site better ( if you have problem with navigating the site, feel free to always DM me, I will point to how and where to click)

2. No I don't agree....reason being that jw don't just sit and listen to what they are taught in their place of worship, we do personal bible research. And in no way do we twist the bible to fit our narrative. And if u are thinking of citing examples of time pass when Dy changed their doctrines, they only did after further research on the bible eg Jesus death on the cross and Xmas celebration (it is funny some people are just knowing the truth about Xmas and tho they are not willing to change their practice) but jw are willing to make adjustments when more lights are shade on the scriptures (na everyday we Dy study Bible)

3. I don't really understand the question but I presume you mean if jw that marry jw don't have family issues....of course they do. No perfect marriage that is why we keep praying for God kingdom to come. Jw family try to apply what the Bible teaches on marriage i.e the role of the husband wife and children. If they all follow the rules, they will be able to solve slight issues that often lead to divorce nowadays. Many so called Christians today divorce for so reason or the other that isn't even partaining to adultery. This is something u won't see in a jw home except mayb one of the couple have started flaunting what d bible say in the name of being woke




The e.g you cited, which of the publication did u see it, give me the publication so I can explain what the publication was saying


The baptize and unbaptised story you said is also not true....if you study with the witnesses but hasn't made up Ur mind on getting baptized (which means you are either still in doubt or you are scared of disobeying what the bible says after baptism) the later is mostly always the case(I av seen real life experiences not the ones in publication) whereby the person isn't ready to leave the wild party and other bad practices the witnesses shun(so instead of getting baptized, and committing what can lead to being disfellowshipped, they tend to not get baptized at all even tho they know that what they are learning is the truth. Now there is no difference between them and others who u termed "unbelievers" so the point is you are either a jw or not... nothing like "e don complete study but never baptize jw"

So going by what I answered above, a jw family will frown against ( not stop it ooo...but u know some African parents can be so extreme concerning making decisions for their children) marrying someone who isn't baptized because the person isn't a jw yet which means the person isn't ready to dedicate his life or way of life to Jehovah's standard. So I don't know which publication told u that they can marry non baptized jw but can't marry another Christian domination



So yes. Until you are baptized, only then are you a jw...and u can't get baptized until u dedicate Ur life to God privately and you can't dedicate your life to God privately without forsaking the things of the word and you can't do that without reading and studying from the bible what God really wants and what the bible really teaches...only then can u be called a witness of Jehovah

And once u publicly declare Ur dedication to Jehovah by water baptism, if you do any wrong doing that isn't Christian like and don't show a sign of remorse(genuine one not fake one oooo) then you will be disfellowshipped but not stopped from coming to the place of worship just that people won't get too intimate with you so you won't stumble them or lure them... unfortunately you won't know this cos u are getting your info from disfellowshipped people that are still stubborn and doesn't want to admit their own wrongdoing. So they make it look like they were completely shunned and that their family was turned against them ....I know two people that was disfellowshipped....one has been reinstated and she is happily married. The other has stopped going to the place of worship and fully continued her wayward life according to her, "you only live once. When everything is getting worse and it is really obvious that the world will end, I will run back to the organisation"

achorladey:
You can just tell him straight your ORGANIZATION DON'T practice SHUNNING leave how you confidently spread lies to one side

lol...there is no point in doing that cos he will still argue it. The best answer I can only give is if you genuinely want to know how jw practice their belief, visit jw.org and not just listen to twisted info that isn't even true. Remember the story of Satan and Eve? God said the day u will eat the fruit, you will die(don't eat d fruit) Satan said eating the fruit will open Eve eyes and God doesn't want them to eat it(eat d fruit). And their eyes opened truly and you know d rest of the story. The point I'm trying to bring out is, you can say something that is true and twist it to become a lie just to fit Ur narrative. All u just need do is add pepper and salt...... JW only stop associating with people who intentionally breaks the law of the bible and doesn't show a sign of repentance. That said, marrying someone that isn't a witness isn't a sin per say(just that it may affect u. Eg Solomon and his plenty wivies from pagan nation. They made him worship idols) so no witness will shun u for marrying who u want after all u will bear the consequences urself. So u see why I said he is lying Jw don't force u to marry jw. They only encourage u to do so. So u can both be able to encourage each other spiritually since Ur belief synchronize

einsteine:
They don't.

A few (mostly in Nigeria) contravene this and they are dealt with by shunning.

Shunning means that nobody interacts with you at the Kingdom Hall and you seat at the back in a separate corner.

I have seen it live at a Kingdom Hall. Refusal of the spouse to become a JW might even result in outright excommunication.

Note that those who became JW after they married are exempted

it's sad how you confidentiality spread lies....I don't blame you, when u get information about jw from sites that is against jw why won't you type this rubbish...

johntolu:
Thanks @atoleybaba for your positive efforts, in creating awareness, about some of the poverty alleviation initiatives of the government.
Kindly provide more insight about the agmeis program and or any other government poverty alleviation package that is still ongoing.
I have so many people back home, who are oblivious of some, if not all of these government initiatives just like an average Nairalander had displayed, on this thread.
I will be willing to send you a DM if that is ok with you. Thanks in advance sir!

alright sir, you can send me a mail

johntolu:
Thanks @atoleybaba for your positive efforts, in creating awareness, about some of the poverty alleviation initiatives of the government.
Kindly provide more insight about the agmeis program and or any other government poverty alleviation package that is still ongoing.
I have so many people back home, who are oblivious of some, if not all of these government initiatives just like an average Nairalander had displayed, on this thread.
I will be willing to send you a DM if that is ok with you. Thanks in advance sir!

alright sir, you can send me a mail so I can provide more details on the agsmeis loan

lexy2014:
From ur write up, it's obvious that ur stupidity is greater than mine because I didn't ask u for any of these details. Even ur testimony of how u make decisions for your life shows that ur stupidity is greater than I thought. U are advising me when u are a failure at taking ur own advise. Can u imagine?

lol now I see your dumbness is beyond redemption. Ur comprehension skill is really low....wallow in your stupidity bro, have a nice life

lexy2014:
All ur wisdom, knowledge, intelligence put together isn't up to an atom of d stupidity that u say I have. If u wrote an exam and u answered like that, then u have just secured for yourself a big fat F. So learn how to answer questions b4 u jump into d middle of a discussion to prove what u weren't asked

the point still remains that you were just plain stupid if not, you would have gotten that fellows explanation and save urself the stress to shalaye on how to answer yes or no

Sardauna24:
what is the essence of d loan?since it will not reach to those meant for it..

have u tried applying and didn't get? Try first ns

MajorOvakporaye:
SHUT UP!!!

I think you are the one who needs to keep shut

Queenlovely:
I swear this is a good idea but it will be hijacked.

falsification of age et all

the hausa cabal will hijack it.

they have done similar things in the past, although with different name, there is no country on Earth with such stupid initiative,

if you have an idea, what if you don't have an idea

u now av bvn so u can't falsify

Komu1048:
Bros I no understand ooo, I’m into farming(plantain, snail and about to enter pig) omo I suppose grow well so much idea but no money, no friends, no family for support. Therefore I just dey hope for better days so that I can even contribute my quota to this society. Before when I hia dis kind news I go leap for joy hoping say d money go reach people like us. Bros na audio money ..... sisi I no go see or hia say person wey know who I know or belong to same farming association get. This country na scam

you have not been Rolling with progressive people..if not, u would have heard about the agmeis loan and key into it since late last year. It is still on and u better try to get it cos people wey Dy apply don Dy plenty.... good luck

lexy2014:
Let's analyse ur olodoism. D question I asked was:

"So it's that easy to get such benefits in Nigeria?"

But ur response was:

"alot got covid19 loan from CBN through a national microfinance and you know that...so why will this not work?"

D question I asked wasn't about whether this would work or not neither was it about d number of people who got a loan. D question was "is it easy to get such benefits in Nigeria?"

All u needed was to have said "yes it is easy" or "no it isn't easy". So who is now d olodo when u can't answer simple questions?

U no 11 beneficiaries. Y aren't u one of d beneficiaries?

oga u just wanted to be plain stupid....it is a shame if u could not get a yes or no from the explanation he gave

lexy2014:
Let's analyse ur olodoism. D question I asked was:

"So it's that easy to get such benefits in Nigeria?"

But ur response was:

"alot got covid19 loan from CBN through a national microfinance and you know that...so why will this not work?"

D question I asked wasn't about whether this would work or not neither was it about d number of people who got a loan. D question was "is it easy to get such benefits in Nigeria?"

All u needed was to have said "yes it is easy" or "no it isn't easy". So who is now d olodo when u can't answer simple questions?

U no 11 beneficiaries. Y aren't u one of d beneficiaries?

oga over easy is worrying it...only if u tried....when the household loan came out, they asked for guarantor but later scrapped it ...many people got the money the highest I saw was 5million....intact I kept procastinating till the thing ended if not, I would have gotten too. Be there and be doubting without trying.....agmeis loan is still there and I will advice u key in to it now before the thing finish....they are giving people as much as 10m with at least 6month grace before paying back plus just 5% interest

Cumtroller:
All lies and propaganda.

This is the Northern Youth Investment Fund. We all know who the final beneficiaries are.

Nigeria is a caliphate ruled by the Fulanis. We are all slaves to the gworo chewing, cattle herding dictator.

sit down there and don't take advantage of this opportunity till it passes you by....shebi na so Una talk for the covid/household loan and the agmeis loan. Dy there while Ur mates get the funds

Gkay1:
I disagreed sir/ma

ok....I can't force you to agree....you don't know is different from there is non.

Sleekmilan01:
Dude no matter the level of accusation thrown against me,I'd still ve confidence when I.know I am innocent of the charges,how would I celebrate the truth when I have died??,who would rub it in the faces of my accusers when I eventually proved my innocence??...everybody can't be against u,you'd still have someone that actually supports u...so you gon tell me the dude family were actually against him right??

Suicide is a cowardly act,man up and face the problem

lol...pray you don't see urself in such situation. Where the person u think has gotten your back will doubt you

Gkay1:
which area in Lagos

ikorodu

Gkay1:
Lagos get land to farm ?

yes they do...for your info, land still yapa sef for farming

hammer3:
LISTEN, STOP LIVING YOUR LIFE WITH EVERYONE MENTALITY.

U ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON ON EARTH, WITHOUT U THE WORLD END.

THE REASON THAT NIGGA TOOK HIS LIFE IS SIMPLY BECOS OF EVERYBODY ON TWITTER THAT HE THOUGHT RELEVANT.

IN NAIJA, WE SAY, I NO SEND ANYBODY.

U SEND?

FCCUK THEM ALL, I WILL DO ME, MYSELF AND I.

you are right, but you should understand that everyone isn't as emotionally stable as you.... Some people cry easily some people man up etc... depression isn't something you toil with.one can fall into depression any moment for different reasons without knowing. And once depression comes in, your reasoning is affected. So don't blame him for not being emotionally strong

NerdyRudeGyal:
There's obviously more to the story. I doubt he would've committed suicide if he was innocent. He probably had other pre-existing issues.

like what? Raping a girl in his imagination?

Sleekmilan01:
Guilty conscience killed him....cuz I see no reason why u kill ya self over a mere accusation,not.like u committed murder....if u feel u weren't guilty,you should ve lived to fight and prove ya innocence....

another stupid being...wait till someone accuse you of something that will damage Ur reputation and everyone around you castigate you,your picture and social media account everywhere...then we will see how you will handle it

em527:
shut up abeg

you shut up u simp

chatinent:
Does his suicide prove his innocence? No. I know because he's late people will now side against me but the fact remains that suicide is never an option; he could have manned up and defended himself.

he didn't even know who was accusing him...and all the defence he tried to put up, they where not been heard. Dbanj that has tried to defend himself, what results has it yield? People said he arrested the girl cos he is guilty. People said if he isn't guilty he won't take measures to clear his name!!!! Why do we all want to be mad in this country

TimiRume:
Why commit suicide if you are sure of your innocence? And how did you know its false accusation, because he killed himself? You don't think its unbearable guilt and shame that pushed him. From his last posts, he had a past.

The lady probably deactivated for security reasons. Everyone always takes the side of the dead.

you are one of the reasons he killed himself cos of Ur stupidity. People like u quick to support a female without hearing the other side....do u know how damaging it is to be accused of rape? People will avoid you. Your family name is ruined in fact people around you won't patronise you....what if his business is mainly an online marketing and most of his associates are online? You said unless he is guilty. You are foolish and a disgrace

NerdyRudeGyal:
I don't understand this whole idea of giving females transport fares in Nigeria. When y'all have turned yourselves into ATMs why won't some of them pull a fast one on you like this?

but u understand the idea of a female going to a male's place dressing half naked or walking down a lonely quite street in the middle of the night in Nigeria where Ur security isn't guaranteed??

frozen70:
You know what, consider that money gone

Stop all communication with her

Use your brain next time and search for a girl friend by yourself

really This is why guys don't come and call out female scammers cos they are scared of being called names......cos he trusted her doesn't give her the right to scam him say no to fraud

AngryIgboDon:
This is why I don't believe so much in this thing they call yahoo plus.

I am convinced that MAGA still pays those guys without soiling their hands.

Just imagine the mistake this mumu OP did! The "I am sick scam or my relative is sick scam" is a format that has been used for over 15 years by Nigerian ladies that want to mess men up. They will bill you for transport fare and if you make the mistake of paying, 2nd and 3rd billing follows.

You should have known the better bro.

The next format that would have brought 2nd and 3rd billing is telling you that "She needs money to sort the hospital bill or drugs of that relative".

Thank God your eyes clear on time.

There is something I would like you to do. Forget that money. If it was me, I will simply move on.

Then I will formulate a story with her name and distribute her numbers and pictures online. Go and sign her up to codedruns. Also type her name and paste it at Ikeja along as either a money doubler, home massage therapist or home runz gal. Paste it at Ajah under bridge, Oshodi underbridge, Ilupeju bypass, Computer village under bridge and surulere stadium.

But if you are not in Lagos, find the equivalent of all these Lagos popular hotspots in your home state and paste all the above with her number.

On coded runs, attach all her pictures too or rip it from her sisters facebook page or her own page.

But I can bet my balls you don't have all these because you be better mugu.

because he trusted her doesn't give her the right to scam him. Stop being a scam apologist