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ArtanK:
There is no Somali state in Kenya. Kenya is a unitary state.



Since you are new here, say hello to Axum. He's a Somali troll who lives in his father's basement somewhere in Minnesota, he sucks up to Ethiopians, Eritreans, Arabs and White folks (anyone but west and southern Africans). No one takes him serious but he becomes really annoying sometimes.

Somalis govern the Northern eastern Province, and is considered a state by Somalis that will reunite with Somalia.

Kafrican:
I don't know if I should laugh at you or feel sorry for you. you''ve been living in utopia for so long you are out of touch with reality. everyone or let Me say, majority of people a're proud of there ethnicity or tribe. you claim that am making things up then you go ahead and say if you live in US and are proud then the rest of Somalis must be proud to be from somali.(assumption galore) do you know that there are more Somali refugees in the northern part of Kenya than the local population? ofcourse those refugees are proud if there country Somalia nomatter what state it is in. its there country they are patriotic, it's not like they can choose another country. when I talk about Somalis in Kenya, am talking about people who have Kenyan ID s . people who have grandfathers who were born and died in Kenya. people who have there relatives right here. those people are proud Somalis, they help others, they feel obligated to help citizens of Somali who are in need because they are both Muslims and of Somali origin the same way a Muslim from Turkey will help a Muslim in Somalia. what am saying is the Kenyan Somalis are patriotic and loyal to Kenya. and are proud to be Kenyan

Lol at Kenyan Somalis being proud and loyal to Kenya. They are loyal to Somalia which is the reason why they had a shifta war, and still allow their border in the North with Somalia to be used to attach Kenya.

I had to laugh at that one, am sorry. Somalis already hate Kenya for invading Somalia, then add to the history of Somalis owning Negroid Slaves, then add to the fact that Northern Kenya state Somalis went to war with Kenya in order to Join Somalia. And here you are telling me they are proud to be Kenya. lol


I suppose this is why Somalis are secluded from Bantus, even living in our own section of Nairobi and seeing Bantus as untouchable. You are in your own world

Kafrican:
yes they are proud of being ethically Somali. but they don't like to be associated with the country Somali. get the damn difference.!!!

Dude the vast majority of Somalis in Kenya are in the northern State of Kenya which is a Somali state. The other half a million are people who left Somalia. They are proud to be from Somalia. That is the homeland of Somalis. Their are Somalis who were born in Kenya who dont even claim Kenyan but just go by their ethnicity.


It's funny that you make up your own facts. Somalis despite and look down on Bantus so much, that they will always go out of their way to tell you their from Somalia or are Somali.

If I am an American and am proud to be Somali despite living in the west for many years, the Somali in Kenya will be 10times more prouder and racist and will claim Somalia.

khia:
Maybe you should move your pathetic as.ses out of Africa, and please stop bringing your racist as.ses to America.

No need to get upset, Africa doesnt mean Black. And we were in Africa before your kind existed, the oldest bones on earth are in Ethiopia. The oldest cave paintings are in Somalia.

America is a free country, just cause your people came on a boat doesnt mean anything, I just chose to wait a couple hundred years and came on a plane. Like a Boss

muafrika:
But how would you account for their Nilotic genes?

There is small genes of everyone in everyone as all Humans are the same origin. Somalis being homogenous kept their DNA closed off thus the reason why we look very similar, while we look like Ethiopians, you can still tell the small difference if your from the region. While groups that mix with others will have DNA from everyone that they ever came into contact with and reproduced with.

The most important thing to look at is language. When you see a group of people with the same language without any enslavement than it was by intermixing. for example Bantus in Somalia speak Somali, but they are not Cushitic, as they were forced to learn the language after being enslaved for many generations. Same thing with African Americans in america. But the Tutsis speak Bantu meaning they mixed in with the people they came into contact with but still identified themselves as different.

If you look at the map, you will see that linguistics and DNA overlap and tell the same tale.

Radoillo:
Some Somalis do the same. Didn't a Somali scholar write a book in the 1950s saying tgeee ancestor of the Somalis was one Samaale who came from the Arabian Peninsula in the 9tgeee century?

Aren't many Somalis still sucking up to the Arabs, going as far as joining what was supposed to be an organization of people which identified as Arabs?

There are 2 Clans that trace their ancestry to the middle east and the other 2 clans from Ethiopia. But everyone sees themselves as Somali as all the clans are mixed together but their are still clans. Which is dumb because Somalis dont consider you what your mother is (which is half your DNA) only what the father's clan is.

So now its not the same thing. Because there is actually a history of Somalis and Arabs, there is even an entire group of people in Mogadishu called Reer Xaamar who are mixed with Somalis, but since their fathers were not Somali, they are not considered Somali, while a Somali man can marry an Arab and the child would be considered Somali. Because you are what your father is. But that was long ago, and was in the Quran as the 2 Clans are from the North, where Arabs who came from Arabia settled when escaping persecution from Arabs when Islam came to existence as we know it today.

This is also corroborated by the fact that their was no Somali identity when Islam came into existance as the region which is no Zeila (northern Somalia) was part of Abyssinia. It was a couple hundred years later than a Somali identity tied to Islam emerged and battled Ethiopia with the help of Arabia and took over much of the Ogaden and spread Islam to the Afar and Oromos.

muafrika:
The "horn" is quite recent an addage. They refer to their origin as "the North." Could be the Sudan which is directly northern, CAR, or the neighbourhood.

Well the ones I met said they come from Ethiopia, which at that time was probably Abyssinia or Axum and controlled more land than it does now especially since Somalia and Eritrea and Djibouti are now all independent.

[quote author=khia post=29663012][/quote]You are pathetic, Somalis are not like Nigerians, we are not the same kind of people and being African means nothing to us. The only reason why these Bantus were drooling over our women was precisely cause they are not as dark as Bantus, and have long real hair and different features.


Go die slowly of HIV somewhere in the jungle

Kafrican:
majority of Somalis in Kenya get offended when you associate them with the country Somalia

Laughable statement since they are ethnically Somali. Northern Kenya use to be part of Somalia until the British gave it to Kenya.

Somali people are proud of being ethnically Somali and I know they absolutely go out of their way to tell you they are Somali.

Radoillo:
And Hausa people say they came from Baghdad...and some Igbo believe they came from Israel. Legends and facts are two different things, Somali.

I am just this is what they themselves say, and add to the fact that they look slightly different. But you are right, many Negroid people pretend not to be from where they are from. Lol at Baghdad and Israel.

Raiders:
don't get me wrong. I love all black women and I think Somali and Ethiopia have some of the most beautiful African women. I just don't see why some people like you are trying to divided black people and act like you guys are totally different. do you know that the word negro/black was first used to described the Ethiopians/ Somali by the early Romans? Y'all have more similar physical features to other sub Sahara Africans than to the Arabs, Indians and Europeans. your language is similar to the Arabs because of history of trade with the Arabs but that doesn't not mean you guys are not Africans. most of the Arabs in north Africans only recently migrated from the middle east and were not the original settlers

1. We look nothing like Bantus (even white racists will tell you that)

2. Our language didnt come become of trade with Arabs, we already spoke our language, which is a different language than semiotic but still Afroasiatic.

3. The word for black was never used to describe Horn Africans, words like Habesha and Berber and Cushitic were used not Negroid/Black

4. The Somalis use the word Black in third person and same with Ethiopians

5. Who is dividing black people? We are not black, you are simply an Afrocentric trying to tie yourself to Somalis/Ethiopians. Your lack of history tells me a lot, I assume you are a self educated black, lmao, you know very little about the Horn. You dont even know basic facts. These are some of the facts that you said which are wrong.

a. You said we were slaves of Arabs. This is wrong
b. You said we were created because of mixture with Arabs. This is wrong
c. You said our language came into existence because of Arabs. This is wrong. Our language was always separate from Arabic.
d. You said our women were Raped by Arabs, this is wrong.
e. You said we are black. This is wrong. As Race is a social construct. And Somalis/Ethiopians dont view themselves as black nor look it.
f. You said we look like other sub-Saharan Africans. Lol.



How can I even take you seriously when you are so ignorant. It's pathetic, your lust and thirst for Non Negroid drives your ambitions to run around and try to claim people you dont even know. Did you even know that SomaliS/Ethiopians systematically enslaved Bantus/Nilotics simply on their appearance and regarded them as subhuman?

Radoillo:
No one has time for your silliness this morning. I've already told you the current genetic evidence does not support your Cushitic theory of Tutsi origin. It was a small band of Nilotic pastoralosts who were absorbed by the Bantu to form the Tutsi. That is what the genetic evidence indicates. The Cushitic story is a fairy tale promoted by the racist Belgian colonial masters.

This is what Tutsis say, they say they come from the horn is what they say.

khia:
Did they compliment your women or say something negative? I really want to know?

They were drooling over our women, and talking obsessively about us. It was embarrassing.

muafrika:
What happened, actually is that the Tutsies, a considerable number after befriending the Hutus, took over the Hutu Kingdom and subdued the Hutu and imposed a kind of a caste system which humiliated the Hutu and made them suffer.

It was not uncommon for assimilated tribes to have a go at the throne. That happened alot among Bantus.

I heard once a Hutu say, that when the Tutsi King wanted to rise from his sit, he called a Hutu and used his foot to anchor his spear. The Hutu/Tutsi rivalry has some deep roots that cannot be ignored.

That deep root came from the fact that they are obvious differences due to the origin of Tutsis.

Raiders:
dude, I am also in America and attended college in the States. my native country, Nigeria education system is far better than Somalia and Ethiopia combined together. I don't think there is internet in Somalia. Race do exist and its use to classify group of people with similar biologicaland physical features. you think y'all are better because you E1B1B. just because Somali have a little Arab gene don't make them better than other black Africans. I consider Somalians a mixture of Blacks and a little bit of Arab dna. your language/culture is similar to the Arab/North Africans is because you guys were once slaves to the Arab and your women were raped by the Arabs.

Your lack of Somali history shows me that the education you talk about is something you dont have.

Somalis dont have Arab Dna, as the came from us, as you can see E1B1B originated from the Horn of Africa. Secondly Somalis were never slaves, in fact it was Somalis/Ethiopians forefathers that once controlled what is now Southern Arabia and Sudan and parts of Egypt.

You are one of those anti white stereotypical American Blacks who run after Horn Africans while neglecting the people who you are related to in west africa. Your ignorance that Somalis have Arab due to being slaves and being raped is only a projection of the history of your people in America.

EroticAngelina:
and of all the things u could comment abt, u chose to comment abt my pix. 4 sm1 who critisize ppl, u are worse than a hardcore pervert. nonsense.

Why did you change your profile picture. Lol.

I like the new picture. The old one gave me a stiff neck

muafrika:
Makes sense. They also tend to be dark skinned compared to their Hutu brothers. They speak a Bantu language though. It must have been a planned assimilation between those two tribes that failed to work.

My tribe had a similar sort of arrangement. What made it work, I think was that it was not an entire community getting assimilated.

Like I said, it was a few Cushitics who were far from home, they married the local women, and the new group labeled themselves Tutsi, the DNA slowly went away as they were reproducing with non Cushitic people, but still saw themselves as different. Thus the racism and how they looked down on the Hutu.


Its like a few white people going to Nigeria, and after having mixed kids the kids reproduce with each other, but their is no new fresh DNA that is European to replenish so it slowly withers away but the group still has formed an identity and secluded themselves from the Blacks.


hope that helps

Fulaman198:
Not cool at the bolded.

What I'm saying is absolutely different from what you are saying.

Nigeria is a country comprised of 250 ethnic groups. If we can't come together as one, then the West African region is doomed. Nigeria needs to be strong. Look at India as an example, there have tons of ethnic groups too. Nigerians need to cut out the crap and join hands together regardless of cultural differences, we are still all human beings.

I never said I would abandon my people, nor have I ever abandoned the Fulani people. I'm very proud of the tradition and the fact that it is one of the oldest cultures in the world (according to whites).

My job as a moderator here on NL has taught me how to quell the hatred and utter disregard we have for one another as human beings.

You make me throw up Fulaman.

Raiders:
you are very ignorant. you need to go back to high school to study your biology again. There is no race called Cushitic. Blacks/Negriod or Africans are divided into 3 ethnic group: Bantu ( West and Central Africa), East Africans and the southern Africans. Somalians/ Ethiopians are subset of the Negro race. you are a negro and an African just like any black person

Their is no race period, but every group of people have origins. Thus the reason why people who are Cushitic live in the horn and have similar culture and appearance as they are related. They have no relations to Bantus.


How can Somalis be a subset when we have E1B1B which Bantus dont have but people in North Africa and Arabia have. Why do we speak the same language family of North Africans and Arabs? This is also the region where E1B1B is found. I am in America and have a better education than you.

Radoillo:
That is what people thought and some people continue to think today. Genetic studies have shown that they are related to Nilotic people like the Dinkas, the Luos, etc.

Thats cause the Cushitic blood has been reduced as it was watered down, and they reproduced with Negroes but they still identified as being different and called themselves Tutsi.

Why do the Tutsi themselves say their forefathers came from Ethiopia?

muafrika:
I know that.

Have you met them? They could be distant relatives of Cushites. We were taught Tutsis are cushite in school.

They are descendants of Cushitic people (before we diverted among ethnic lines like Somali, Afar, Tigrey, Amahra) who left the horn thousands of years ago.


But it appearance their is still Some Cushitic in them, but they have lost their culture as it was probably a couple hundred Cushitic people who mixed in with thousands of non Cushitic people. But as we see, those mixed ones identified as Tutsi. And not Hutu like the rest of the people in the area.

Either way no Cushitic people will claim them today, and the Tutsi say they came from the Horn, but they left before Islam and today the Horn is different and people identify with ethnic groups and not Cushitic like in the past.

EroticAngelina:
and of all the things u could comment abt, u chose to comment abt my pix. 4 sm1 who critisize ppl, u are worse than a hardcore pervert. nonsense.

No one forced you to put that picture up, no reasonable person would, only an attention wh0re would.

Even your name is that of a wh0re who seeking attention.

muafrika:
She's only 21 by the way...

Lol, she is tutsi.

Fulaman198:
Loll so funny you and your disdain for Bantus. I understand where you are coming from, however we are not living 100 years ago. I'm very proud of my Fulani heritage and people don't get me wrong. However, if Nigeria wants to surpass United States, India and China, we must all learn to coexist with one another. I'm tired of the slaves in Nigeria like GEJ who bring the country down. However, one thing you must know today is that Fulani people are very unlikely to sell out other Africans for whites like GEJ sells out Muslims to people who dislike and mistreat Muslims.

So by your logic I should be a proud American not proud Somali, because I live in America? I hope a Bantu force feeds you Fufu

Raiders:
The Somalians and Ethiopians I know are very nice folks. its ignorant people like you who think they are special and different from other negros that make me upset. y'all are Africans just like any Negros

I dont think I am better than Bantus. I am simply proud of being Cushitic, and not Negro like you guys. It is you who is ignorant who claims anyone. You guys claim Hispanics, mixed breed people.

What is wrong with me saying i am proud to be Somali (Cushitic). My DNA is not like Bantus, my language family is not like Bantus, my History has no involvement with Bantus, yet you want to label me a Negroi for the sole purpose of uplifting your people for what ever reason.


Stick to your people, I will stick mine, we aren to related, and stop mentioning Somalis and tell that your Bantu friends who run around white sites saying that not all blacks are ugly and pointing out how Somali/Ethiopians look. This only shows how low your self esteem is.

Omarbah:
Hey bororojo I guess the two here are also somali lol

Hey all the girls that I pointed out that were Somali, were in fact Somali. Don't get upset when I point the truth. Even Makhaaair knew they were Somali.


If you gonna post Fulani women, stick with Fulani and dont post other ethnic groups.

Fulaman198:
I'm loyal to Nigeria...

Sorry to say this to the other Fulani but I'm Nigerian first, then Fulani second. I'm very proud of my culture and tradition, however I share a country with many other ethnicities.

What were you before you were Nigerian? What if you were born 100 years ago. I was always Somali before the state of Somalia was around.

You have to be loyal to Fulani people. I threw up when I read that comment. It appears the Bantu trait of lack of loyalty has rubbed off on you.

Roozzaay:
Stop dreaming about Statehood, the most important thing is the Brotherhood. There are many challenges Islam and Ummah<s> are facing throughout the world today and so many important issues we seriously need to address. N.B Allah (S.W.T) never promise to protect the State but vowed to protect Islam.

Yes, but Islam also says to be proud of where you came from and the people who you are. Which in my case is Somali. As a Somali, I cannot be loyal to Somalia, as currently it is run by crooks, plus Somalis have many states. One inside Kenya, one inside Ethiopia, and two independent countries Somalia, and Djibouti.

Fulaman198:
Ameen

Amen, it is your duty to make sure Buhari wins. You are not loyal to Nigeria, its a fake country, you are loyal to Islam. Remember that. I wish Fulanis bordered Somalis, so we wouldn't have to border these ugly Kenyans.

Fulaman198:
People have a right to choose what they want to be

But allah's word will be most High.

muafrika:
https://imirasire.com/IMG/jpg/ange-kagame-2.jpg

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Angie is stunning. Her dad is very tall by the way.

@Artank

Thats his daughter. I thought he was hitting that.