₦airaland Forum

I-man:
There is something wholly laughable at the idea of a Nigerian mocking Japan.Is our nation any better than Japan?You don't have electricity,pipe-borne water,universal education. . . . . .and you are calling Japan capitalist slaves.

Whether Nigeria is an ant next to Japan, the topic is whether or not Africom in our around Nigeria is in our interest. With a dearth of logical points to counter the excellent decisions made by Nigeria to reject Africom, your indulgence in mockery is predictable.

buluti:
You have clearly contradicted your self, if the chinese has cheap labour why does he need to come to Nigeria. You have said the UK and US have chosen to sight their factories in China, so why should the chinese sight his factory in Nigeria, obviously for resources, then why should he pay you more than he pays his own citizen at home. Doesnt this also suggest that you are in competition with China as well.

There is NO competition with China. Only because you have clearly misunderstanding international economics:

(1) Development and maintaining development depends on resources, manpower, and manufacturing power.

Western development and maintaining development depends on African resources, Chinese [/b]manpower and [b]Western and Chinese manufacturing.

So the bulk of Chinese labor and manufacturing driving Chinese growth that is often talked about is serving Western needs and they are earning currency from such. They also gain technology transfer from the West. The West has never used Africa for manufacturing outsourcing.

So what about Chinese development, now that we have established that their growth is driven by manufacturing services for the west?

Chinese development and maintainance of development depends on : ---------- resources, -------------- manpower and ------------- and ---------------- manufacturing power.

The Chinese strategy seems to be to use African resources, Chinese manpower and manufacturing , BUT to include African manpower and manufacturing power. NOTE that china intends to CREATE industrial centers all over Africa, including Nigeria. WHEN did Western nations ever plan to create industrial centers in Nigeria/

By including African manpower and manufacturing, the Chinese are killing two birds with a stone, offering a better deal to secure African resources, while at the same time drawing on African manpower to attain development Note that the required rate of development China seeks CANNOT be achieved by Chinese resources or manpower alone. Africa is capitalizing on the Chinese market, NOT Western markets which have effectively closed their doors on us.

AFRICA WINS IN THIS SET UP. WE GAIN TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER from the INDUSTRIAL CENTERS CHINA SETS UP IN AFRICA AND WE TOO CAN IN TURN USE THE TRANSFER TO AID OUR DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS WHY A DECISION BY NIGERIA NOT TO WELCOME MILITARY INSTALLATIONS IN OR AROUND NIGERIA THAT CAN THREATEN CHINESE DEVELOPMENT IN AFRICA IS AN EXCELLENT AND RESOUNDING CHOICE. THE BEST CHOICE EVER AND CONGRATULATIONS TO NIGERIA!

What are you on about, did you read my statement. I was talking of the partnership, the comparison using salaries was to highlight who's gaining in the relationship. Did we ask Exxon to refine. And come to think of it, comparing like for like Western firms are better. Please theres no arguement there, an american firm values its workforce, be it manufacturing, drilling or whatever.

Not when these firms FAIL to pay taxes, have indulged in negligent activities against Niger Deltans and in some instances been part of the plan to kill Nigerian villagers. I assume you are also not Nigerian too.

denex:
Their functions which you mentioned are all obsolete. For now I'm convinced that all Monarchs around the world should be brought to an end.

It is written in the UN Charter that all humans are born equal. So I don't know why queen Elizabeth or Oba of Lagos should be claiming birthright. They should all go and take up day jobs.

First equality is not guaranteed in a democracy itself. Apartheid South Africa and Pre-1960s United States were called "democracies". It is the laws of the political system that create equality. The same standard should be applied to the Monarchy. Change the laws, not the system.

The UN charter you cite does not imply a complete destruction of the monarchy. It does redefine the nature of a monarchy. There are many roles of a monarchy. Some are tied to inequality (rights to land, e.t.c). Some are tied to promoting the culture and maintaining peace. I would imagine that the UN charter targets the roles tied to inequality.

Should the African monarchy, which is a strong part of our cultural heritage be done away with completely or should it be modified?
This is in view of the role of the monarchy in African history both positive (preserving cultural heritage and maintaining law and order) and negative (role in slave trade).

Should we do away with the African monarchy?

LOL, your sarcasm is well noted, I hope others will note that it is a sarcasm.

egoldman, the emphasis is to spoil the image of Nigeria, as a destination for any form of investment. Notice that every show in America is taking turns to link Nigerian with fraud. Even on E-Channel News, I was innocently watching a tabloid program when the Nigerian scammer was brought up.

While we indulge in tribalism, we fail to see that we are seen as black people first, and as the largest black nation with huge economic potential, we are a genuine target for attack by the ones who want to continue to control global wealth!

Obamedo:
@egoldman

There is a difference between 'spam' and 'scam' emails

Scam emails are sent by fraudsters and are usually disguised to appear to come from another country.
I can be in Nigeria and send an email which appears to come from canada
Would you reply my scam email if i said i was in Nigeria or if i said i was in Switzerland?

Eastern europe and Asia is the source of most phishing emails ( a type of scam email that targets bank details) and 419 fraudsters are the source of 419 emails whereever they are sent from, Nigerians are everywhere

You will think twice after this statement. I will present data from the IC3 2004-Internet Crime Report from the US government:

"Among perpetrators, nearly 74.7% were male and half resided in one of the following states: California, New York, Florida, Texas, Illinois, and Ohio. The majority of reported perpetrators were from the United States. However, perpetrators also had a representation in Canada, Nigeria, United Kingdom, Italy, and Greece.

Top Ten Countries - Perpetrator

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1. United States – 78.75%

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2. Canada – 3.03%

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3. Nigeria – 2.87%

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4. United Kingdom – 2.32%

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5. Italy – 2.01%

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6. Greece – 1.04%

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7. Romania – .92%

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8. France– .86%

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9. Spain – .6%

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10. China – .58%

http://www.ic3.gov/media/annualreport/2004_IC3Report.pdf

Anyone who sees anything wrong with this victory against corruption, specifically the disqualification of a known corrupt and ruthlessly ambitious politician must be a scam artist at an internet cafe! Only such people can see corruption as normal.

We dont need leaders. We need clever private enterprises.

I cannot promise you two years, but I can guarantee you, that in 4-6 years, I will make Nigeria as attractive as Hong Kong or South Korea, through key and targetted private enterprises and projects.

BUHARI all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need a man to enforce decency and discipline on the recklessness, fraudulence and irresponsibilities of all Nigerians in public and private sectors

Come here let me whisper. Next year, you'll say I said it. ***************Shhhhhh*******BUHARI***************

Follow the most recent events closely. Its not who we feel should win, but rather who WILL win.

Na so im start with this ignorant thread on a Black American thread about the African man rapist oh. I come perfrom magic try spin am in African man favor. The link I post below. But net, we need to educate our people may them learn to put their behavior in check. Ile Idale la wa yi o. We are in a foreign land, we need to be best behaved.
http://blackcommunity.blackvoices.aol.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&tsn=1&tid=158698&webtag=ti-entertainmnt

Egbami Oh!! Na wetin dey do the Nigerian man. I dont care the urgency to get VISA, or the need to act out superiority. Why do we Nigerians get so aggressive, rude, and obnoxious when we approach Black Americans and other Blacks in the western world? What can we do to educate these miccreat Nigerian immigrants on social etiquette?

Hi, myself I am interested in working in interesting projects. I have a few suggestions, since myself I am graduated from university.
Is it possible you make this whole project completeley online based, where black people are connected online both via video conferences, audio conferences, messageboard, online video lectures and chatting e.t.c. Also is it possible that this could be implemented beyond black students in universities, and can include Libraries in black communities, and internet cafes in Africa?

@All, I applaud the effort. They should also bring up the upsurge of pedophilia among the natives in England.

@Ashiwaju, LET UK BRING IT ON!! All we powerless Nigerians can do it place an Oil embargo on UK and suspend their businesses in Nigeria. That wont cost much. Who needs Oil? FYI Nigeria is the biggest trading partner with UK in Africa. We deserve the same respect the accord to Kenyans.

Its about time!! I welcome Nigeria to 21st century politics. I love this part of the article:

"The "miscreants," the government added, are "generally white" although "persons of east European and North African origins are not excluded."

Indeed I will be on the look out for these white criminals when I next visit UK!

@Ndipe, for you to put Mandela higher than Lumumba is careless and following the white crowd. It is a shame you compiled your lack lustre list without doing any research. Lumumba was the first African to declare Africa for Africans, without any Neocolonialism. He was subsequently murdered by the CIA under the Roosevelt government. Mandela is worshipped because he spared white lives, a bunch of lives I do not care about.

Its not so much the gender that is the issue, though it should not be overlooked. However, at the moment, we need a person with enough understanding of the workings of the military to be able to continue the process of restructuring the military and avert any coup. Obasanjo did a very excellent job in that department in his first few years of civilian rule. We need to get used to the culture of civilian succession.

@ oasis, all you have done is treat symptoms. You have not solved the root cause of the Nigerian and African problem. I want you to read the Article:
"Early Development" by Marvin Goodfriend and John Mcdermott. Nigeria is largely a primitive economy with most people gaining a majority of their living from subsistence means rather than going to the markets. This is because there is little incentive to deal with the market. This lack of incentive is due to little cash in the hands of many Nigerians. Without a strong internal market there cannot be industrialization, because Industrialization is used to meet the increased productivity needs of a strong market. So your first job as a president should be to improve the internal market. All other things will follow by law of demand. Their will be an increased demand for low level workers for productivity of the market. An increased demand for highly educated citizens to meet the industrialization needs that will follow. Its all about free market and creating methods for making these markets very profitable. Nigeria does not have a strong internal market.

However, you overlook the fact that there are Nigerian high tech companies who were allowed to prosper in Nigeria. Take for example the Nigerian Computer Manufacturing companies, which recently unveiled a plasma TV. Yes we are short sighted and narrow minded as a nation. However, sometimes the feasibility of some products just scares potential investors away. Robotics is the way of the future. Japan is pumping billions to monopolise an industry that is being likened to the PC revolution of the 80s. I still believe that there is a future for robotics in Nigeria, and robotics rather car manufacturing will bring us more prestige.

@sbucareer and pendelite. I hear you both. Tribalism is one of the greatest ills of the African society. But how about the business men in Nigeria. Surely they are in the position to fund such a venture. Or did they look at the 20 year timeline of the product and called it quits.
Withing 20 years, Nigeria would have done something better. We are a very resourcefull nation. I will be going to the Nigerian government and businessmen for my robotics product.

That is nothing significant. It will take at least five years before a full working prototype can be developed. I saw his car and alot more needs to be done. He has to optimize the components and workings of his car, and also design the process to manufacture his car. After the five years, he will need atleast 15 years to break into the African market, talk less of the global market. It took Japan decades, and China is just beginning to break in.

A side note. I am developing a Humanoid Robot. What are the chances that I will be taken seriously in Nigeria or should I go to the Japanese?