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Kay 17: That doesn't come out right. If atheism is a religion, then its opposite will inevitably be: theism. If theism is a religion, then what will Islam and Christianity be??

Kay 17: If the lake of fire is an afterlife experience, how come living people are aware of it?

Kay 17: Are you saying, some Quranic verses lose relevance in time and sometimes location? What's the authority for the Quran and what are the rules of interpretation?

queensmith: lol, isn't it the person with the answered prayers that needs to logically justify it? Are praying people the only successful people?

queensmith: god! (or whatever you believe in lol) bless you!
Thats what i've always said, growing up i've wanted to do many things, and the parents will just dismiss it sayin 'no its not good' 'erm why is it not good' 'dont ask me questions' and thats typically the way things are especially back home. Nobody is asking any questions, women don't raise their eyebrows when they are told to 'submit' they just do! People are told they must behave a certain way, nobody says 'what for' they just do! and these people have no have no sense of self. It's very very obvious here on this website, the herd mentality is too much. Nobody seems to want to apply logic to anything (especially if it's to do with religion or tradition) and questioning their beleifs is like you've killed their families!

Even if you are religous you still need to ask questions, you need to consult the bible for yourself and try to understand what the pov of the writer is, whether it applies, whether it's personal. Lets not forget it was human beings like ourselves that wrote the Bible. None of them were perfect.

o and i'm not sure- it was a UCL professors note on Karl Marx's writings, i'll dig the book up somewhere. But I think it's based mostly on the communist manifesto. It also had some of the things he wrote when he was a teen. The book was brilliant, his name is jonathan something i'll find him.

shymmex: @the bolded part

If you're to rid yourself off that - embrace your own inborn spirituality.. We Africans are spiritual beings, but we've been indoctrinated with so much thrash - that we've lost our sense of reasoning...

That's why Africa is as messed up as it is... Religion is our biggest problem - if we can rid ourselves off religion, and embrace our inborn African spirituality - we will find our way in the world again..

Plz, read about the council of Nicea 325A.D - that was the genesis of everything.

sauer: Good point. This is the chief reason children simply follow the religions of their parents. It's almost an innate action. It bothers me seriously that these children don't even stop for a minute to examine in detail exactly what is being handed to them. The blindness, the follow-follow, the herd mentality, the conformity; all these just stink. Didn't they ever ask questions in class? Yet, if asked, they'd claim they have arrived at their practices by themselves and needed no prodding from their parents. yeah, right!
I hope your book really isn't the communist manifesto

sauer: Well, I sure will criticize whatever warrants it; jonathan, the Nigerian government, Nigerian pastors and churches, the bible, etc. They all have one thing in common: they all aren't helping Nigeria!
There is probably nothing wrong in believing in god as christians would have us do. So, one could at least afford them that. However, there is everything wrong and criminal about believing that those who aren't in the same shoes as you will end up in some imaginary "lake of fire".

ghostofsparta: Are your ancestors from Judah? You better Stop eating Amala and Iyan again because FYI those foods bears strong oriki associated with certain Yoruba deities. What most of you Nigerian Christians don't realise is that you are all worshipping God of the Jews (Yaweh). You all need to leave Yorubaland that you have destroyed. What has Christianity benefited us since the missionaries shoved it down the throats of our fore-fathers. No electricty, bad roads, corruption and poverty. Let those at the government starts swearing upon Shango, Ayilala and Ogun whether there won't be 500% transparency. One corruption-loving commenter says 'I believe in absolute reality' I don't blame him sha.

fellis: Wait, first of all what was that [M] and [B] you seem to have added to my post?

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See, not all atheists engage in deep critical thinking before deciding to become atheists.
Most atheists are born as atheists, and told by parents that there is no God and after growing up to see no 'logical' proof of any God, decide to stick with atheism.
Some atheists are just rebellious, butt-hurt, cry babies that concluded that God doesn't exist because their prayers were not answered. .
Some atheists are simply atheits cos they cannot fathom how a God can exist and still allow all the evil in the world to happen; they decide that their imagination of how a god should be is not what they get in reality so they jump into atheism.

Inshort there are quite a number of reasons why people become atheists and a lot of these reasons have nothing to do with intelligence.

p.s.
I found the first comic very hilarious.

queensmith: I have to admit reading the book absolutely blew my mind! Everything in life is based on the human struggle for hierarchy, and the systems in place have only ever served to benefit the same set of people. No matter how you look at it you always end up worshipping 'the white man' one way or another.

Embracing Christianity is one of them, the book gave me the push. Face it, those of us that are christians can't give any justifiable reason for beleiving in God and Christ. We just do. We can't explain it (i can't obtain it! lol). Alot of us have just been conditioned to think praying to some deity is going to solve all our problems. It's complex and interesting no doubt.

2good: My religious orientation is not your business so stop all the hating. Do what you want to do, mind your business and look for something good to do with your life.
I tire for my fellow black people!

sauer: Of course, that's not what she's saying! Nevertheless, that's not totally impossible. It's on record that one book can change someone's life. And I'd argue you probably have no idea what good Karl Marx and his books have done to this world

sauer: Apparently you are missing the fact that your wife appears to be "forcing your kids" into Islam. A better alternative would be for them to decide what's appropriate after achieving a level of independent reasoning.
Kids who join their parents' religious practices in their very early years might as well be forced into doing what they'd never have opted for!

sauer: Yes, I have met female atheists. I am particularly struck by their sane reasoning, their desire to know, their openness and above all, their impressive world view. Many women atheists I have met can carry on fantastic conversations on philosophy, music, psychology or other highly specialised fields like anthropology. To find such women is rather rare, but in the end very pleasing. Quite a number of "very religious" Nigerian girls (and unfortunately guys) are often too contented with church, Nollywood, cinemas or pommes frites to give a hoot about the world.
I do sense that it's the female atheists who long to change their environment, to preach understanding to their neighbours in the light of these difficulties we face globally. For me, there is nothing more impressive that a woman who is confident, independent and absolutely sure she's as good as any man. A lot of women claim this, but we all know it's a ruse. But then, many female atheists I know or have met are very much like this; this contrasts sharply with the behaviour of their servile, christianly counterparts.

Logic Mind: Yes I would. Infact I married one and opened her eyes to the evils of her religion. Even though she has not yet graduated to blaspheming as a real atheist, she has not stepped into a church for a very long time now.

Please I don't have a grudge but you were coming at it aggresively.

2good: You seem to be very intolerant and you are as foolish as the Atheist you call fool. Why not marry your church sisters and just shut up. With all the religion and god you people make noise about, what have Nigeria achieved? You Christian brothers are currently involved in a war with the Muslims in Northern Nigeria and you call neutral people fool. You need to have your head examined.

harakiri: A fool says there is no god and your same idiotic bible condemns you to hell for calling someone else a fool.

Ignoramus!!!

harakiri: The end of an atheist is same as yours. We live and die. End of! What else do you know about Christianity apart from what you have been spoon fed with from childhood? NOTHING!!! You are a brainwashed buffoon and nothing more. Can you show on single atom of proof that your biblical god exists? Even a shred? If the slave traders hadn't brainwashed your forefathers with Christianity, would you be here talking?

E-diot!!!

luckgames: What about marring people that go to church that are very evil?
Secretive, liar and cheat
Keep information
I will take Atheist over evil church goers

michelin89: Atheists in life are reserved and tolerant. they don't talk about their non belief unless they are questioned. unlike what happens on Nairaland, atheists hardly initiate religious debate because they know the implication of starting something that will never end. if the kids choose religion fine, as long as they don't become obnoxious and hypocrites because that's something atheists don't tolerate in religious people. if you can't respect and follow the doctrine, why choose it?

MsDarkSkin: no.

alpontif: It is simple: Religion causes problems, Your belief in the EXISTENCE of a God doesn't. The most important thing is to believe God exists, and strive to live a morally and ethically balanced life. Religion complicates things with the rituals and all,I choose what I believe in religious doctrine, if it doesn't make sense, I don't do it..(tithes and the rest). It makes sense to believe a God exists, on a logical level I accept that, on a spiritual level I do. It makes sense to believe in Jesus's Christ message,on a moralistic level I accept his teachings, on a spiritual level I believe in the power in his name through faith, logicians don't do faith, I am deliberately illogical in this sense. I don't bother myself with other religious crap. Getting to heaven or hell is not by believing in God alone, but by living a morally just life. So many Christians will end up in hell, where many Muslims, pagans and animists are making heaven, it is not about the religion , it is about the life you are living.

fellis:
Ban don dey hungry you abi?

binger: Good work.but Seun,when are we getting the Christian Forum.i thought it wud be d number 1 thing on forum creation...its long overdue!

pDude: Seun, we have a "go up" button but we don't have a "go down" button. Also a "dislike" button would be nice cos most websites have it.

And BTW, you should know that many have left nairaland cos of your excesses. Hope ur azz is happy now you meddling fork!

Funkymallam: Glutton

I think we need 'Off point' button too.

denitro: Guy be real....
The term "taxiing" is not used for the accelerating run along a runway prior to takeoff, or the decelerating run immediately after landing.

shymmex: Jesus

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Muhammed

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Which of them looks like you?

Brainwashed jerks, stop messing up the name of my Country - take your war to the Middle-East where the two redundant religions belong.