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sonOfLucifer:
What lesson is this story supposed to impress upon young minds?


Judges 19
While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”

23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, “No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this outrageous thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don’t do such an outrageous thing.”

25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.

27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 28 He said to her, “Get up; let’s go.” But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.

29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.

chukwudi44:
The silly Judge should go and clear his name!! Quit mentioning Saraki,did you read anywhere he was amongst those who filed the suit?

In the maintime he should step aside while another Judge's name is forwarded to the senate for approval as the CCT chairman

uboma:
You used the right adjective Sis.

Nigerian politics as dirty as it is, always amuses me. It will be a big shame and disgrace to Mr. Danladi Umar if he is found guilty of the above charges.

The Senate President will have a temporary sigh of relief while also thinking hard the next card to play.

Hman12:
http://leadership.ng/news/472579/cgpi-october-report-kogi-yobe-ebonyi-zamfara-akwa-ibom-worst-performing-states

Dannyset:
Nigerians should all remember Saraki in their prayers. He needs prayer of intercession at this point.

Saraki went tru a difficult situation ysday to confirm Amaechi against all odds. I saw it in his eyes, he was stammering. I felt for him. To me, he was only paying for his misdeed. But then, nobody will outrightly fault his ambition.

We might be controlled by our emotions and feel that he should be forgiven(my feelings too), but Politicians don't play it that way. Even he(Saraki) could become unpredictable after everything.

But in all these, I think he will be pardoned and freed with a rope still on his neck.

ziccoit:
1. By paying the religion leaders that means the government would be able to regulate his activity. A Pastor/Imam can not just wake up from wrong side of his bed preaching hate message. The message would have to be channeled through some recognized body who are going to vet it and release it to the public.

2. There is no crime in making religion study compulsory at primary and secondary level of education. By having knowledge of dos and donts of my Neighbour religion would ensure harmony, peaceful coexistence and mutual respect.

3. Yes. Free range method of rearing is the course of communal clashes between the cattle farmers and their host community.

4. BH doesn't represent Islam.


So, it depends on how you view what he said. I believe he makes sense.

apcpdpallscam:
2 mins is an overstatement actually and it's affecting our sexual relationship. It has diminished his ego and as For me, I don't ever wish to have it with him honestly, It is not only embarrassing but frustrating.

But i feel like surprising him on his birthday. So I'm wondering if there is anything i can add to his drink; drug, herbs without his knowledge to enable him last longer to his amazement and making him feel it's natural. Or is there an ointment/cream I can use to massage him. I need to spice our marriage sexually.

ruuudboy:
Am not a fan of politics and i dont support any politicians because i believe they are all the same, likewise when it comes to religion, am very conservative and dont argue abt religion with people, i believe in freedom of religion.

 It was by the grace of Almighty God witnessing another sallah on earth...being in ilorin this very moment afford me the opportunity to witness first hand how our suppose leaders have brainwash our political thinking with politics.

Am just in ilorin for some official engagement and as usual on every sallah day, we have to go to the eid ground for prayer and today was no exception.

I left with my guy as early as quarter to nine with the believe that prayer will be called at exactly 9am as i was used to in my area in Lagos but to my surprise when we got to gomola roundabout and everywhere was still free...my guy suggested we should stay around the junction as everywhere will be crowded soon but i decline saying we should get to the playing ground i even laugh it off that i will love to stay behind the imam to oversee all what will happen and listen to

 

we got to the eid ground and after looking for space, we got a space not too far to where the imam was and we can see the imam clearly, i mock my guy saying am enjoying d view instead of staying somewhere where i will just be listening to voice alone.

barely 20mins after we settled down, dat was about 20mins to 10am, we started hearing noice, most people were on their feet shouting and i started asking what was happening, somebody beside us said "maybe its saraki that arrived"....in other to do away with my curiousness, i stood up to peep and there it was, our senate president was the one that walked in...

everything was stand still from that moment and we couldnt hear any sermon again.....all we were hearing was side talk.....i guess after like 15mins of standstill and the imam couldnt help it again, all we heard was "sofullilahi" which signale that it was time for prayer.

 

We stood up and started praying but people were still making noise but by the time everywhere was silent that was when i started hearing some people shouting "ole" "ole"....."saraki ole"....everywhere was tensed that imam wanted to make mistake along the line during "rukuu" when he suppose to say "semi allahu limon amidahu (Only God knows who worship him)" and wanted to say "Allahu Akbar (Allah is great)"....but he corrected himself immediately.

The moment imam said "salam aleikum waramotullahi" signalling end of prayer, before those of us could respond to him, everywhere was scattered and people started scampering in different directions "ileya ooo" "e ma duro ooo (dont wait)" ....everybody around the place was running up and down finding the best available route outside the praying ground.....

 

some people started shouting "ole" "ole".....and started throwing stones....me and my guy had to hold ourselves and walk through a bush part to jump a fence outside the praying ground. I lost my slippers during d scuffle of trying to find my way out and had to walk barefooted to the main road.We could hear the agony of people on our way out saying "a ti gbon (we are wise)"....thief, they didnt pay our salary and they are enjoying with their families.....

from our observation, kwara people are tired of their livelihood, most of them are lamenting and some of them couldnt help it as they wanted to confront the police that were providing security at the praying ground saying they caused all this and were the one supporting the politicians...u dare not say anytyn positive about the government except u want to be lynched.

so my problem is, how do we get here? How did we get to a stage of mixing religion with politics that our prayers had to be standstill cos of arrival of the SP......how did we get to the situation of going to pray to God and wouldn't have peace of mind and be scared of something bad happening cos of politics and our politicians.

 

Definitely kwara/ilorin people at large are not happy with their leaders and politicians but should this be mixed with religion?

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dolphinheart:
No problem Bro.

How is these matter a mystery is it that the bible did not tell us about who jesus is?.
Bro, you can ask as many questions as ull like to ask, ill try my best to answer you using the scriptures as guide.

Trustman is wrong , very very wrong .



John 1:2 says : this one was in the biggining "with" God. It did not say "in " God .

John 6: 62 says: What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was
before?

Now did jesus ascend to where he was before? Yes
Did he exist as a separate person when he ascended to where he was before ? Yes

The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou on my right hand, till I
make thine enemies thy
footstool? - Matt 22:44.

"But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and
Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”- acts 7: 55,56.

If jesus was part of God and not a separate person, who is God talking to here then : “Let us make man in our image,
according to our likeness, - gen 1:26 .

Back to the matter of "wisdom". Who or what do you think this wisdom is ? How do you explain ur view with what is written in proverbs 8 22-31 .?




By virtue of Jesus being the
sole direct creation of his
Father, the firstborn Son
Jesus was unique, different
from all others of God’s sons,
all of whom were created or
begotten by God through that
firstborn Son. So “the Word”
was Gods “only- begotten
Son” .



Most of those prophets got their message from jesus and the angels. Read rev 1:1



Lets use the bible to determine our beliefs. Let us find out from the bible the truth about jesus . There are other bible verses I quoted which you did not respond on.

dolphinheart:
(1) I will take ur question to mean : did jesus exist as a seperate person from God when he was in spirit form?

The answer is yes .

Did you read verse 30 of the proverbs 8: 22-31 I suggested earlier .


"Then I was constantly at his
side. I was filled with delight
day after day, rejoicing always
in his presence," - prov 8: 30.

Did you read about jesus request when he prayed to God?

And when jesus returned back to heaven as a spirit , he was "at" Gods right side,he was "with" God, not "in" God. Remember where Stephen said he saw jesus.



By virtue of jesus being the sole direct creation of his
Father, the firstborn Son jesus was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by God through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Gods “only- begotten Son” .



(3)note : I never said these words :" If human being can only begotten human being and spirit can only begotten spirit".

No we can't call say "jesus is God the son" . Jesus is not the almighty God, jesus is not the father.
You can call a man's son "son of man" , you wunt call him " man the son " would you .



(4) The name or title “the Word” identifies the function that God’s firstborn Son performed after other intelligent creatures were
formed.
A similar expression is
found at Exodus 4:16, where
Jehovah says to Moses
concerning his brother Aaron:
“And he must speak for you to
the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God to him.” As spokesman for God’s chief representative on earth, Aaron served as “a mouth” for Moses. Likewise with the Word, or Logos, who became Jesus Christ. Jehovah evidently used his Son to convey information and instructions to others of his
family of spirit sons, even as he used that Son to deliver his
message to humans on earth.
Showing that he was God’s
Word, or Spokesman, Jesus
said to his Jewish listeners:
“What I teach is not mine, but
belongs to him that sent me. If
anyone desires to do His will, he will know concerning the
teaching whether it is from God or I speak of my own originality.” — Joh 7:16, 17;

Read also:
John 12:50; 18:37.
Joh 14:24; 17:14;
Lu 5:1)


"And he was clothed with a
vesture dipped in blood: and
his name is called The Word
of God." - revelation 19:13

DONSMITH123:
Na wao...Rape, Rape everywhere.

dolphinheart:
Good question .

God is a spirit and we can say he exist in spirit form, or say Gods form is spirit. This form is different to humans which are in the form of flesh. So if it is said that something exist in Gods form, they are spirit creatures , not human creatures . Spirit creatures exist in spirit bodies while human creatures exist in physical human flesh .

"God is a Spirit: and they that
worship him must worship him
in spirit and in truth".

God’s Son, jesus ,God’s “only-begotten son,” the Word, was a spirit person like his Father, hence “existing in God’s form” ( Php 2:5-, but later “became flesh,” residing among mankind as the man Jesus. His form was changed completely! from a spirit to flesh.
Completing his earthly course,
he was “put to death in the flesh, but [was] made alive in the spirit.”

"For Christ also suffered once
for sins, the righteous for the
unrighteous, that he might
bring us to God, being put to
death in the flesh but made
alive in the spirit,"- ( 1Pe 3:18)

His Father resurrected him, granted his Son’s request to be glorified alongside the Father with the glory he had had in his prehuman state ( Joh 17:4, 5),

and God made him “a life-giving spirit.”

"Thus it is written, “The first
man Adam became a living
being”; the last Adam became
a life-giving spirit.-1Co 15:45

The Son thus became again invisible to human sight, dwelling “in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see.”— 1Ti 6:14-16.

To get further proofs that jesus existed before coming to earth read :
John 3:13
John 6:38, 62
John 8:23, 42, 58
Proverbs 8:22- 31

The spirit creatures have spirit bodies while the humans have fleshly physical bodies, man cannot literarily know how spirit creatures look like unless through a vision . Man can only see a spirit creature if that spirit creature materializes a physical body for the man to see, just like the angels did , and just like jesus did after his ressurrection as a spirit creature.

Paul said: "They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies. "- 1cor 15:44

This statement was made in reference to those humans who will enter heaven to be jesus brothers and serve as kings over the rest of mankind on earth during jesus rule.
They will not be ressurrected in human form/ flesh , for that form, a slaves form cannot enter Gods presence.

"What comes first is the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later. 47 Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven. 48 Earthly people are like the earthly man, and heavenly people are like the heavenly man. 49 Just as we are now like the earthly man, we will someday be like i the heavenly man.
50 What I am saying, dear
brothers and sisters, is that
our physical bodies cannot
inherit the Kingdom of God.
These dying bodies cannot
inherit what will last forever. " - 1 cor 15 : 46-50 .

I hope this answers ur questions . I merged the two questions as I saw that the second question was just for me to provide scriptural proof to question 1 .

Can I continue with the next question ?

trustman:
Jesus Christ is both undiminished deity and true humanity In one person. 
"... ... his son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God ... ..." (Romans 1:3-4). 
"For in Him (Christ) all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" (Colossians 2:9). 
"The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word" (Hebrews 1:3). 

He did not previously exist as  'a spirit creature in heaven'. His deity had always existed - "In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1). 

There is the need to understand issues relating to his humanity and those that have to do with his Deity and clearly delineate them. 

He accepted being called God - "Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28). 

His humanity became even superior to angels - "so he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs" (Hebrews 1:4). 

As God, Jesus Christ:
has all authority (Matt. 28:18), possesses life in Himself (John 5:26), imparts eternal life (John 10:28), forgives sins (Matthew 9:6; Mark 2:7). 

Jesus Christ is God with ALL the attributes of God and He is equally perfect humanity. All divine titles are ascribed to him: "God" (John 1:1); "God over all" (Romans 9:5); "our great God" (Titus 2:13). 

Nothing in Scripture suggests that Jesus Christ is anything less than God - the Supreme Being of the universe.

dolphinheart:
The main importance of these verse is to (1) understand which Translation is correct as both sections are not the same, they said different things.
(2) to understand what the real verse is trying to say.


A translation of a verse being simple and understanding does not mean its real or correct .



Now on issue (1)
* excerpts from web pages

((Although the above verse in
the NIV does not support the
Trinity, there are some Greek
manuscripts that read, “God
appeared in the flesh.” This
reading of some Greek
manuscripts has passed into
some English versions, and
the King James Version is one of them. Trinitarian scholars admit, however, that these Greek texts were altered by scribes in favor of the Trinitarian position. The
reading of the earliest and best
manuscripts is not “God” but
rather “he who.” Almost all the
modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent))

http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/1-timothy-3-16



((Examination of the Evidence
Modern translations do not read, "God" at 1 Timothy 3:16.
Trinitarians make this particular claim by quoting only from the King James Version reading of this verse. Despite the fact that scholars agree that the KJV reading is a certain corruption,
Trinitarians, even those who
normally do not read the KJV,
continue to cherry-pick this verse from the KJV.
When the Christological
controversies were occurring in the fourth century, we do not see even one solitary person making a reference to the "God was manifested in the flesh" version of this verse as evidence for identifying Jesus as "God." This fact does itself undeniably demonstrate it was unknown to them. If indeed 1 Timothy 3:16 really said "God was manifest in the flesh," we can most definitely be sure this passage would have most been brought forward as
"Exhibit A." Yet, not one soul
mentions it even though this
passage more than any other
would have supported the
teaching that the incarnate Christ was "God." But the facts remain as they are and it was never mentioned once in the myriads of documentation that exist illustrating what was argued in these debates. There is a good reason that no one in the fourth century church ever mentioned the passage. The word "God" did not appear in 1 Timothy 3:16 until much later. It first appeared in manuscripts after Trinitarian dogma was developed and canonized and is an obvious later alteration. The oldest and best manuscripts do not have the word "God" (theos) in 1
Timothy 3:16 which is why
modern Bible translations do not have the word "God" at 1
Timothy 3:16 either...................
......... Now because this verse is known to be a scribal error,
contemporary Trinitarian Greek scholars, who have access to numerous manuscripts, have not been able to perpetuate this error
any longer into English
translations, despite the
passions of some who desire the word "God" to appear in this verse at the expense of truth. Let us look at some of the major translations of this passage and note how Trinitarian Greek scholars themselves acknowledged the scribal error:
"He appeared in a body" (NIV)
"He who was manifested in the
flesh" (ASV)
"He who was revealed in the
flesh" (NASB)
"He was manifested in the
flesh" (RSV)
"Which was manifested in the
flesh" (Douey-Rheims)
"Who was manifested in the
flesh" (NAB)"
Quite plainly, Trinitarian
translation scholars are admitting this version of the verse is not authentic. One then wonders why Trinitarians so often continue to appeal to it.))

http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/verses/1Tim3_16.html


(( 1 Timothy 3:16 in Codex
Alexandrinus

Reproduced below is the text of 1 Timothy 3:16–4:3 from Codex A, as presented in the
photographic facsimile volume
published by the British Museum in 1879. Of particular interest here is the reading in 3:16, where it may be seen that the manuscript reads ΘC "God was manifested in the flesh,"
employing the usual abbreviation ΘC for ΘEOC, with a stroke over the letters to indicate an abbreviation. However, textual critics believe that the ink in the center of the Θ and the stroke above were added by a corrector in modern times. Reasons for this belief are the color of the ink, and the fact that a "dot" has been placed in the Θ instead of a line.
Tregelles writes, "The ink in
which this has been done in A is sufficiently modern and black to declare its recent
application" (An Account of the Printed Text of the Greek New Testament, London, 1854).

Without these marks, the
manuscript originally read ΟC
"He who was manifested in the
flesh." ))


http://www.bible-researcher.com/alexandrinus4.html

((..... The shorter portion of Newton's dissertation was concerned with 1 Timothy 3:16, which reads...............
....... Newton argued that, by a small alteration in the Greek text, the word "God" was substituted to make the phrase read "God was manifest in the flesh." instead of "which was manifested in the flesh.". He attempted to demonstrate
that early Church writers in
referring to the verse knew
nothing of such an alteration.
Summary of both passages
Newton concludes: "If the
ancient churches in debating
and deciding the greatest
mysteries of religion, knew
nothing of these two texts, I
understand not, why we should be so fond of them now the debates are over. With
minor exceptions, it was only in the nineteenth century that
Bible translations appeared
changing these passages.
Modern versions of the Bible
from the Critical Text usually
omit the addition to 1 John 5:7,
but some place it in a footnote,
with a comment indicating that
"it is not found in the earliest
manuscripts".[9] Modern
translations of 1 Timothy 3:16
following the Critical Text now
typically replace "God" with
"He" or "He who", while the
literal Emphasized has "who"............Newton did not publish these findings during his lifetime, likely due to the political climate.
Those who wrote against the
doctrine of the Trinity were
subject to persecution in
England. The Blasphemy Act
1697 made it an offence to
deny one of the persons of the
Trinity to be God, punishable
with loss of office and
employment on the first
occasion, further legal
ramifications on the second
occasion, and imprisonment
without hope for bail on the third occasion. Newton's friend
William Whiston (translator of
the works of Josephus) lost his professorship at Cambridge for this reason in 1711. In 1693 a pamphlet attacking the Trinity was burned by order of the House of Lords, and the next year its printer and author were
prosecuted. In 1697 Thomas
Aikenhead, an eighteen-year-
old student charged with
denying the Trinity, was hanged at Edinburgh, Scotland.
It was published in 1754.))


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture


Now that we know that the word "God " is a scribal error, a later addition and wrong translation , we shall discard that verse as rendered by those In section A and look to what the verse is telling us by the quotes in section B.





“The sacred secret/mystery/secret of . . . godly
devotion/godliness” was revealed in Jesus. ( 1 Timothy 3:16) It had long been a secret, a mystery, as to whether anyone could maintain perfect integrity to God . Jesus revealed the answer. He kept integrity under every test that Satan put upon him.—Matthew 4:1-11; 27:26-50.

The prime example of
godly devotion/godliness is Jesus Christ.
Adam, the perfect man, had not set the perfect example of godly devotion/godliness. None of his children, born imperfect, could do so. Who
would be able to do this? The
coming of God’s Son to earth
and his integrity-keeping course gave the answer, revealing the solution to the sacred secret/mystery . He
is the one to whom Timothy
should look for the perfect
example of conduct manifesting godly devotion.—1Ti 3:15.



Jesus Christ was the one man to manifest godly devotion/godliness perfectly, in every sense, proving that man in the flesh can maintain such devotion. Under severe trials, right down to the end of his earthly course Jesus was “loyal, guileless, undefiled, separated from the sinners.” ( Heb 7:26) No flaw
could be found in his integrity, to accuse him before God. He said, before his death: “I have
conquered the world,” also, “The ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me.” ( Joh 16:33; 14:30) No
unrighteousness could be found in him. He could rightly say to his enemies: “Who of you convicts me of sin?” ( Joh 8:46) The solution to “the sacred secret/mystery of
this godly devotion” is so great and means so much to mankind that it is to be proclaimed worldwide. Jesus Christ himself is the basis upon which Christian godly devotion and conduct in the congregation are patterned.

These same Godly devotion/godliness that jesus had is we are to pursue.

"But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue
righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and
gentleness."- 1 Tim 6:11


The above answers the question :
1 what is mystery about the
verse?


Jesus was a spirit creature in heaven , he completly gave up this form(nature) and took a slaves/flesh/human form/nature.

The above answers the question :
2. If Christ is human( as we had
known) why did the verse said
he appeared in human form?


As to the question below, I do not understand ur question or the word "claim"

:"3 what claim does the verse
reffering to?"



You asked: 4 " he received up again into glory" Has christ been in glory before?

Nearly all the verses I read said "taken up in glory", received into glory".
This is true of jesus after his resurrection , God made jesus request (glorify me alongside the glory I had with you ) come to be when upon ascention to heaven , God told jesus " sit at my right side/Hand "( a very glorious position ) . This is what Stephen saw in a vision , jesus was at the right Hand side of the throne, not on the throne or in the throne .


Can we now move on to the next question or you still have something to discuss on these verse.

dolphinheart:
I did not say I checked the original manuscript . Evidence points to two different things by translators of that verse, you quoted one, and I said I saw another, as it is you that quoted it, you will have to tell me which is true and why.

I've put where "god" is mentioned in the verse in section A. While the others are in section B

SECTION A

King James Bible
And without controversy great
is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of
angels, preached unto the
Gentiles, believed on in the
world, received up into glory.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And without controversy great
is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of
angels, preached unto the
Gentiles, believed on in the
world, received up into glory.

King James 2000 Bible
And without doubt great is the
mystery of godliness: God was
manifest in the flesh, justified
in the Spirit, seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
received up into glory.

American King James
Version
And without controversy great
is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of
angels, preached to the
Gentiles, believed on in the
world, received up into glory.

Darby Bible Translation
And confessedly the mystery
of piety is great. God has been
manifested in flesh, has been
justified in [the] Spirit, has
appeared to angels, has been
preached among [the] nations,
has been believed on in [the]
world, has been received up in
glory.

Webster's Bible Translation
And without controversy, great
is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen by
angels, preached to the
Gentiles, believed on in the
world, received up into glory.


World English Bible
Without controversy, the
mystery of godliness is great:
God was revealed in the flesh,
justified in the spirit, seen by
angels, preached among the
nations, believed on in the
world, and received up in
glory.

Young's Literal Translation
and, confessedly, great is the
secret of piety -- God was
manifested in flesh, declared
righteous in spirit, seen by
messengers, preached among
nations, believed on in the
world, taken up in glory!



SECTION B
New International Version
Beyond all question, the
mystery from which true
godliness springs is great: He
appeared in the flesh, was
vindicated by the Spirit, was
seen by angels, was preached
among the nations, was
believed on in the world, was
taken up in glory.

New Living Translation
Without question, this is the
great mystery of our faith:
Christ was revealed in a
human body and vindicated by
the Spirit. He was seen by
angels and announced to the
nations. He was believed in
throughout the world and
taken to heaven in glory.

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is
the mystery of godliness: He
was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit, seen
by angels, proclaimed among
the nations, believed on in the
world, taken up in glory.

Berean Study Bible
By common confession, the
mystery of godliness is great:
He appeared in the flesh, was
vindicated by the Spirit, was
seen by angels, was
proclaimed among the nations,
was believed in throughout the
world, was taken up in glory.

Berean Literal Bible
And confessedly, great is the
mystery of godliness: Who
was revealed in the flesh, was
justified in the Spirit, was seen
by angels, was proclaimed
among the nations, was
believed on in the world, was
taken up in glory.

New American Standard
Bible
By common confession, great
is the mystery of godliness: He
who was revealed in the flesh,
Was vindicated in the Spirit,
Seen by angels, Proclaimed
among the nations, Believed
on in the world, Taken up in
glory.

Holman Christian Standard
Bible
And most certainly, the
mystery of godliness is great:
He was manifested in the
flesh, vindicated in the Spirit,
seen by angels, preached
among the nations, believed
on in the world, taken up in
glory.

International Standard
Version
By common confession, the
secret of our godly worship is
great: In flesh was he revealed
to sight, kept righteous by the
Spirit's might, adored by
angels singing. To nations
was he manifest, believing
souls found peace and rest,
our Lord in heaven reigning!

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion
contains amazing revelation:
He was revealed in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit, seen
by angels, proclaimed among
Gentiles, believed on in the
world, taken up in glory.

Aramaic Bible in Plain
English
And this Mystery of
Righteousness is truly great,
which was revealed in the
flesh and was justified in The
Spirit; He appeared to Angels
and was preached among the
Gentiles; He was trusted in the
world and he ascended into
glory.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our
reverence for God is
acknowledged to be great: He
appeared in his human nature,
was approved by the Spirit,
was seen by angels, was
announced throughout the
nations, was believed in the
world, and was taken to
heaven in glory.

New American Standard
1977
And by common confession
great is the mystery of
godliness:
He who was revealed
in the flesh,
Was vindicated in the
Spirit,
Beheld by angels,
Proclaimed among the
nations,
Believed on in the
world,
Taken up in glory.

American Standard Version
And without controversy great
is the mystery of godliness; He
who was manifested in the
flesh, Justified in the spirit,
Seen of angels, Preached
among the nations, Believed
on in the world, Received up in
glory.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the
mystery of godliness, which
was manifested in the flesh,
was justified in the spirit,
appeared unto angels, hath
been preached unto the
Gentiles, is believed in the
world, is taken up in glory.

English Revised Version
And without controversy great
is the mystery of godliness; He
who was manifested in the
flesh, justified in the spirit,
seen of angels, preached
among the nations, believed
on in the world, received up in
glory.

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy,
great is the mystery of our
religion-- that Christ appeared
in human form, and His claims
justified by the Spirit, was
seen by angels and
proclaimed among Gentile
nations, was believed on in the
world, and received up again
into glory.

So which of the two sections do u support and why?

dolphinheart:
Maybe you are not getting me

Not all translations are correct.

Since not all translation of that verse mean or say the same thing, it means some translations are wrong and some are right . From other mordern translations I checked , the word "God" does not exist as part of that sentence . If these is true, the "jesus is God "Statement cannot be supported by that verse.

So since the word "god" does not exist in the original mamuscript but added later by copyist and translators, we will remove that verse from the discussiojn and go to the next question

dolphinheart:
The words where qouted from a bible translation , now is the translation from the original manuscript by these translators u quoted correct ? That's what ill like you to find out, cus a lot of mordern translations(if not all) dnt have the word "God" in that sentence. Pls comfirm so we can move on .

dolphinheart:
This is my answer to question 5

You stated :
5 1Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the MYSTERY OF GODLINESS. GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH,Justified in the spirit, seeing of angel, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.




We dnt need to go deep into this verse(in relation to if "jesus is God" . Pls do a research on if the word "God" is present in the sentence " God was manifested in the flesh " in 1 Tim 3:16 . Pls do so and reply

Answer to question 6 is next

dolphinheart:
(4) this is my answer on question 4

You asked :
(4.) philipian 2 5-7:
Let this mind be in you, which
was also in Christ Jesus : who
being in form of God,thought it
not robbery to be equal with
God: but made himself of no
reputation and took upon him
the form of a servant, and was
made in likeness of men"



Philippians 2:3-8;
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
"Do nothing fromselfishness or conceit, but in humility count others better than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the
interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves,
which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.

NET
"who though he existed
in the form of God ,did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,"


NAB
Who, though he was in the
form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped. Rather, he emptied
himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human
likeness; and found human in
appearance,,

NASB
" who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard
equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the
likeness of men. "


Sourced( "He did not think to snatch at [harpagmos, ἁρπαγμὸς ] equality with God"[1] - NEB.

"He did not think that by force
[harpagmos] he should try to
become equal with God" - TEV
(and GNB).))

KJ reads: “Let this mind be in
you, which was also in Christ
Jesus: Who, being in the form
of God, thought it not robbery
to be equal with God.”




Which thought agrees with
the context? Verse 5 counsels Christians to imitate Christ in the matter here being discussed. Could they be urged to consider it “not robbery,” but their right, “to be
equal with God”? Surely not!
However, they can imitate
one who “ did not regard
equality with God a thing to be grasped/siezed," namely, that he should be equal to God.”

Such translations also agrees with Jesus Christ himself, who said: “The Father is greater than I.”— John 14:28.


The Expositor’s Greek
Testament says: “We cannot
find any passage where
[har·paʹzo] or any of its
derivatives [including har·pag·monʹ] has the sense
of ‘holding in possession,’
‘retaining’. It seems invariably
to mean ‘seize,’ ‘snatch
violently’. Thus it is not
permissible to glide from the
true sense ‘grasp at’ into one
which is totally different, ‘hold
fast.’”—(Grand Rapids, Mich.;
1967), edited by W. Robertson Nicoll, Vol. III, pp. 436, 437.

Think about what Satan told eve .
Some people say jesus has two natures, but the bible said he emptied himself from one and took another . To find himself(note that word ) in the form of man .

Will answer question 5 next

dolphinheart:
(4) this is my answer on question 4

You asked :
(4.) philipian 2 5-7:
Let this mind be in you, which
was also in Christ Jesus : who
being in form of God,thought it
not robbery to be equal with
God: but made himself of no
reputation and took upon him
the form of a servant, and was
made in likeness of men"



Philippians 2:3-8;
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
"Do nothing fromselfishness or conceit, but in humility count others better than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the
interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves,
which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.

NET
"who though he existed
in the form of God ,did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,"


NAB
Who, though he was in the
form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped. Rather, he emptied
himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human
likeness; and found human in
appearance,,

NASB
" who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard
equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the
likeness of men. "


Sourced( "He did not think to snatch at [harpagmos, ἁρπαγμὸς ] equality with God"[1] - NEB.

"He did not think that by force
[harpagmos] he should try to
become equal with God" - TEV
(and GNB).))

KJ reads: “Let this mind be in
you, which was also in Christ
Jesus: Who, being in the form
of God, thought it not robbery
to be equal with God.”




Which thought agrees with
the context? Verse 5 counsels Christians to imitate Christ in the matter here being discussed. Could they be urged to consider it “not robbery,” but their right, “to be
equal with God”? Surely not!
However, they can imitate
one who “ did not regard
equality with God a thing to be grasped/siezed," namely, that he should be equal to God.”

Such translations also agrees with Jesus Christ himself, who said: “The Father is greater than I.”— John 14:28.


The Expositor’s Greek
Testament says: “We cannot
find any passage where
[har·paʹzo] or any of its
derivatives [including har·pag·monʹ] has the sense
of ‘holding in possession,’
‘retaining’. It seems invariably
to mean ‘seize,’ ‘snatch
violently’. Thus it is not
permissible to glide from the
true sense ‘grasp at’ into one
which is totally different, ‘hold
fast.’”—(Grand Rapids, Mich.;
1967), edited by W. Robertson Nicoll, Vol. III, pp. 436, 437.

Think about what Satan told eve .
Some people say jesus has two natures, but the bible said he emptied himself from one and took another . To find himself(note that word ) in the form of man .

Will answer question 5 next

dolphinheart:
Bro , I did not jump o, I said ill answer ur questions one by one . I've answered number one and two and my next post will start from number 3.

I have not jumped to question 6 , if you read my post well, you will see that my answers on question 2 is were I stopped on that , that you see me quoting titus does not mean I've jumped. The titus quote is still part of my answer to question 2.
I'm sorry for not posting for a while, but I will continue shortly, starting from question 3 . That you did not say anything on my answers on question 1 and 2 shows me you are in agreement with my reply .

dolphinheart:
I will reply you , answer with the scriptures you quoted and add mine.

First, I did not twist ur words, if I did, I bet you would have stated where I did it, I qouted you word for word and explained to you where one contradicts the other.

You removed the word "mighty" when using that verse to state that "jesus is God" . That verse says that jesus will be Called "mighty God".
I did look at the word "God" there , that's why I've been saying that "jesus is a God " which is different from ur own statement that "jesus is God"

You urself stated severally that jesus was created. The supreme God or any part of him is not created.

Now let Me go to the verses you said I should explain


(1 )Matthew 1:23: :
New International Version
"The virgin will conceive and
give birth to a son, and they
will call him Immanuel" (which
means "God with us".

As we both know, it is not mentioned that jesus was called by that name by his parents and those who knew him.
"Immanuel" was first mentioned by Isaiah in which I quote below:

Isaiah 7:14
New Living Translation
All right then, the Lord himself
will give you the sign. Look!
The virgin(actual word is young woman, maiden) will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means 'God is with us').

NET Bible
For this reason the sovereign
master himself will give you a
confirming sign. Look, this
young woman is about to
conceive and will give birth to
a son. You, young woman, will
name him Immanuel.

Circumstances and conditions sorrounding Isaiahs prophecy at that time did really show that there was an "immanuel " during that period. Cus the prophecy was initially fufilled during that period. (read chapter 7 and 8 of Isaiah )
Now if we literarily take it that God(the supreme being) changed form and came cus a prophecy says that that person will be called "immanuel " then we you should be ready to accept the fact that jesus was born twice on earth. If these is not accepted by you, then you can accept the other explanation of the word inmanuel.

The word "immanuel" can be taking as a sign that God is with mankind. The bearer can take it as a title name. But it does not mean that God literarily came as jesus.

This identity of Jesus Christ as
Immanuel did not mean he was
the incarnation of God. It was a common practice among Jews to embody the word “God,” even “Jehovah,” in Hebrew names. Even today Immanuel is the proper name of many men, none of whom are incarnations of God.
All the names giving to jesus apart from "jesus( in wish Mary was directly told ) were all
prophetic title-names by which
Messiah would be identified.
Jesus lived up to the meaning of these names in every respect, and that is the sense in which they were prophetically given, to show his qualities and the good offices he would perform toward all those accepting him as Messiah.
So also with his title Immanuel. He measured up to
and fulfilled its meaning.
Worshipers of Jehovah have
always desired God to be with
them, on their side, backing them up in their undertakings, and often he reassures them that he is, sometimes giving them visible signs to this effect.
Ge 28:10-20;
Ex 3:12;
Jos 1:5, 9;
Jos 5:13–6:2;
Ps 46:5-7; Jer 1:19

With the coming of his
beloved Son to earth as the
promised Messianic “seed” ( Ge 3:15) and rightful heir to the throne of David, God was furnishing his greatest sign that he had not forsaken mankind or his Kingdom covenant. The title-
name Immanuel, therefore, was
particularly appropriate to Christ, for his presence was indeed a sign from heaven. And with this foremost representative of God among mankind, Matthew under inspiration could truly say, “With Us Is God.
So I have explained why jesus is called inmanuel.


(2 )Isaiah 43:10-13:
NIV
10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.
12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed— I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “that I am God.
13 Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand.
When I act, who can
reverse it?”

ASV
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith
Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye
may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God
formed, neither shall there be
after me.
11 I, even I, am Jehovah; and
besides me there is no saviour.
12 I have declared, and I have
saved, and I have showed;
and there was no strange god
among you: therefore ye are
my witnesses, saith Jehovah,
and I am God.
13 Yea, since the day was I
am he; and there is none that
can deliver out of my hand: I
will work, and who can hinder
it?

( for my explanation , ill use the name of the God that was talking there)

At Isaiah 43:10 Jehovah says: “Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.” Does this mean that, because Jesus Christ is prophetically called “Mighty God” at Isaiah 9:6, Jesus must be Jehovah?
Again, the context answers,
No! None of the idolatrous
Gentile nations formed a god
before Jehovah, because no
one existed before Jehovah.
Nor would they at a future time form any real, live god that was able to prophesy. (Isa. 46:9, 10) But that does not mean that Jehovah never caused to exist anyone who is properly referred to as a god.
(Ps. 82:1, 6; A psalm of Asaph.
God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods”:
6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’

So jesus is not jehovah or a part of him, jesus is "a God" Jesus is not "God".

Now to the issue of "savior".
The bible does not contradict itself . Instead we use the scripture to explain scripture.

Repeatedly the Scriptures refer to God as Savior. At Isaiah 43:11 God even says: “Besides me there is no savior.” Since Jesus is also referred to as Savior, are God and Jesus the same?
Not at all. Titus 1:3, 4 speaks
of “God our Savior,” and then
of both “God the Father and
Christ Jesus our Savior.”

Titus 1:3, 4 :
NIV
and which now at his appointed season he has brought to light through the
preaching entrusted to me by
the command of God our
Savior,
4 To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.

So, both persons are saviors.
Jude 25 shows the relationship, saying: “God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

Jude 25 :
New International Version
to the only God our Savior be
glory, majesty, power and
authority, through Jesus Christ
our Lord, before all ages, now
and forevermore! Amen.

See also Acts 13:23.: “From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised.

At Judges 3:9, the same Hebrew word (moh·shiʹa‛, rendered “savior” or “deliverer”) that is used at
Isaiah 43:11 is applied to Othniel, a judge in Israel, but
that certainly did not make
Othniel God , did it?

reading of Isaiah 43:1-12
shows that verse 11 means that Jehovah alone was the One who provided salvation,
or deliverance, for Israel; that
salvation did not come from
any of the gods of the
surrounding nations.

Ill stop here , will continue in my next post ( not to make my post too long )

dolphinheart:
I do not like it when you try to ascribe to me statements that I did not make, I never said or agreed that "jesus is God". You would have known more about what I'm saying if you had attempted to answer my questions.

There are three issues we are discussing which I will number and reply on.

1. Who or what God/ GOD /god is .
2. Who jesus is
3 if the soul is immortal or not.


On number 1:

You made this statement, "God is a supreme being. The Almighty Creator."

I told you this was wrong as there are many Gods , but not all are supreme, almighty or creator. By the fact that there are many Gods, the question is now, why are there many Gods and why are they called Gods. The answer is simple , a God is anything you give veneration to and you worship. A stone can be a God if it is worshiped.
Using the bible as a guide , we can now know and decide which of these Gods deserve our worship and why. These is where the issue of creator, true God and supreme being comes in .

** On number 2
You made the statement "God is a supreme being. The
Almighty Creator." and these "jesus is God " earlier.

By these two statements above one can say or assume that "jesus is a supreme being , the almighty God". But you later rubished this statements with these other statements of urs: "jesus is created", the father has authority over jesus"

First, Most christians who believe in trinity will not support these statement of urs. If jesus is thus lesser than the father, it means jesus is not a supreme being, he is not "God", but rather "a God", going by my definition of God.
If jesus is created , that means he is not the creator , and since you say "God " is creator ,it means jesus is not "God".

You earlier gave an analogy of the ocean and water taken into a bottle out of the ocean. With these analogy, you stated that the water in the bottle was taken out of the ocean and have the same composition with the ocean. These goes contrary to the statement that "jesus was created ", cus if we go by ur analogy, jesus is part of God composition and taken out of God.

Where in the bible is these statement "God the son"?

Again you remove a word in Isaiah 9:6 to try and prove "jesus is God". That verse explains jesus will be called "mighty God". Why do you always remove the word "mighty there" to give a different meaning.
Is jesus the true God?

To talk about the book of john, you will first have to answer my previous questions which will be stated and restated in number 3 .

There is no contradiction in the bible to say "jesus is not God". In fact it makes other issues such as "who the lamb is" why "we can be brothers with jesus and not with God", why "jesus could die", why God could know something and jesus could not", why " jesus was later giving authority " better and clearer.

On number 3.

You say the soul does not die. I told you this is wrong that the bible says souls that is sinning shall die. It does not matter form, location or circumstances of death. The soul can die .

To affirm my views I asked the following question and other related questions .

(a)Is "spirit same as soul?

Pls show where it is said that (b)the soul is immortal
(c)that adam was giving a soul
(d) that the soul leaves the body at death? And where it goes?.

You said Jesus is the pure
word of God, that he was
created by word. That is why I ask,
(e)the other spirit creatures
in heaven, is it not by word
that they are created too? Can
We thus say that by virtue of
their mode of creation , they
are word of god too?

(f)The bible is "word of God,
Jesus is "word of God" right!
Why is this so?

When you answer these questions, we can then be in a right frame to go to john 1:14

dolphinheart:
Good of you to say that there are many gods, this nulifies ur statement that god means a "supreme being" . A god can be a supreme being but there are other gods who are not supreme . Jesus is an example of these for he, the bible and his disciples helped us to understand that there is someone more supreme than jesus, the one true god that jesus calls his father, god and creator.

Adding ur statements that jesus is "God" and that "God" is a "supreme being" is a totaly wrong analogy cus jesus himself has said the true god is the "father" , that the "true god" is the supreme being . And me and you agree that jesus is not the father, since jesus is not the father , then jesus is not the supreme being. Or is jesus the same person as the father?


I'm not limiting the power of God. I'm discussing on what the bible says , I'm not using derived analogy like you have done(which ill point out ).

Of all the names and titles you gave jesus, the only one not found in the bible is "jesus is God".


For obvious reasons, jesus did not want to use the wrong medium to reveal himself, imagine what the devil would have done if jesus had and had accepted the demon give out information about him. It would have been hard to disprove other twisted and false statements.

Another obvious fact is that it will distrupt jesus main activity on earth, and that is "preaching the gospel", look at what happened to jesus and later his disciples when he and they later said jesus is "the son of God".

I am not disputing the fact that jesus is the son of God, Matthew 16: 13 supports my view that jesus is the son of God, angels are also sons of God, likewise there is opportunity for humans to be
Sons of God and brothers to jesus in heaven.


Bro one thing I like is people being truthful and factual. Let's look at the Isaiah 9:6 verse you quoted:
" for unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given and the
government shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor , THE MIGHTY GOD, the everlasting father , the prince of peace.
Of the increase of his
government and peace there
shall be no end, upon the
throne of David and upon his
kingdom, to order it, and to
establish it with judgement and
with justice from henceforth
even for ever.The zeal of Lord
of host will perform this"

Point 1: the verse did not state that jesus "is" or "was" called any of the names and titles in the verse. It stated emphatically that he "will be" called those names and title, this helps us understand that there was a time jesus did not have such titles.

Point 2: jesus is called "mighty God". Why do you as human remove the word "mighty " and just state "jesus is God".
The supreme one ,the true God jesus said we should worship is the "almighty God". The verse did not say jesus is the "almighty God".
By my definition of the word "god" , jesus is a god, a "mighty god" , but he is not the the supreme or almighty God. The father, his God holds those positions.

As much as Ill like to explain my view on john 1:1-4, it might make the post too long, might have to post it seperately.



NOw let's go to the questions I asked you.:

"(I) and the father are one one
" . Does this statement mean
that Jesus is the father? Are
they the same person ?

You should have answered these question by giving a straight answer, but you did not . Instead you used an analogy to arrive at another derived analogy to surppot ur views.

Ur analogy is wrong in the sense that jesus is a seperate person from the father, jesus is not part of the person called the father. They both have wills , there wills are seperate, even though one suppress his will to the will of the father.
Ur analogy is also wrong in the sense that unlike the water taking out of the ocean still probably having the same composition as the water in the ocean , jesus was said to be made flesh(a different composition) ,to take a slaves form(a different condition).

Point 3 : ur analogy of the ocean defends more a belief that "jesus is part of God" more than "jesus is God".

Point 4: the father is seperate from the jesus not only in power and position , but also in knowledge about certain things.
Point 5 : the ocean has a finite mass at any point in time, removing a bottle reduces that finite mass by the mass of the water in the bottle, is the fathers power reduced when jesus was created?

Can you answer with a yes or no on if jesus is the father?
Point 6: after jesus went back to heaven, he did not merge back with God like a water in the bottle will do if poured back into the sea. For God told jesus , "sit at my right hand" and Stephen saw the person of jesus, seperate, different from the one sitting on the throne.


Bro, you said soul does not die, the bible said the soul that is sinning shall die!
Wherever it is that you claim the souls goes afterward, watever condition it is , wateva the word death or die means,wateva definition you give it , whenever it dies , whichever ways its dies, the bible goes contrary to ur initial statement that the soul does not die!. It states the "soul that sins dies!" stop analyzing simple biblical statements .

Genesis 2:7
" And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul "

Can you see that that verse did not state that adam was "giving a soul" or that adam "has a soul" .it stated emphatically that adam "became a living soul"

Ecclesiates 12:7
" Then shall the dust return to
the earth as it was and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"

Did that verse Tell us anything about the soul?
Is "spirit same as soul?

Bro, the questions still stands : Pls show where it is said that
the soul is immortal or that
adam was giving a soul or that
the soul leaves the body at
death?

Or do those statements come from derived analogy too?


You said jesus is the pure word of God, that he was created by word. That is why i ask, the other spirit creatures in heaven, is it not by word that they are created too? Can be thus say that by virtue of their mode of creation , they are word of god too?

The bible is "word of God, jesus is "word of God" right!

Why is this so?

dolphinheart:
Bro, God/ god/ GOD is anything you give veneration and worship.

There are many and different kind of gods. The use of God in the bible is to try to differentiate the almighty from other gods even though it is not like that in the original manuscripts.

"(I) and the father are one one " . Does this statement mean that jesus is the father? Are they the same person ?
What does this statements mean
A. "The father is greater than (I)"
B. " that you may be one with me just as I'm one with the father"(rough quote).
C. " I've not yet ascended to my God and ur God"(rough quote)
D. " and the head of man is Christ, and the head of christ is God".

Look at jesus statement after the accusations " because I said, I am the son of God?"
Angel gabriel did not tell Mary she will give birth to God almighty or a part of God almighty ,he said "Gods son".

When jesus asks his disciples, "who do you think I am" , they said " son of the living God "


U say soul cannot die? The bible says "the soul that is sinning will die!"
Pls show where it is said that the soul is immortal or that adam was giving a soul or that the soul leaves the body at death?.

If jesus is "word of God" cus he was giving birth to by word, are the angels "word of god" too.?

Is the bible the word of God, and why?

Teekrayne:
......... And how does clicking your username and reading up one of your topics justify the fact that Jesus is God?..... Could we say that the bible contradicts itself Some verses in the bible says he is a mere servant while you are telling us another thing. Which one are we to believe? The bible or you?....... What is your definition of "God"??

Teekrayne:
...... With utmost respect, it would be wrongly wrong for you to say that Jesus is God as the bible refutes this. Besides, we all know Jesus was/is a human. The book of (Numbers 23 vs 19) says.... "God is not a Man".... The book of (Hosea 11 vs 9) says.. "For I am God, and not a man. Read up (John 8 vs 40), (Acts 2 vs 22) and get it right..... If you claim that Jesus is God and the HOLY BIBLE says a different thing, then there are limpid contradictory verses in the bible( with due obeisance)..... I mean no harm. We are only trying to learn from one another