₦airaland Forum

opius:
Gbam !!! Bukola Saraki , Rotimi A. next..

All PDP member that decamped last year because of there selfish interest will be disgrace out IJN...

when was APC formed ? and where did they get their members ?

hahahahahahah. when he was causing trouble in bayelsa and causing the death of many people, the APC never believed it, now the troubles has gone internal.

omenka:
Absolutely. I was so irritated when I watched the video; dude was just shouting and acting like a thug- was just wondering what kind of people worship in that church.

This is why I'd always love my pastor and wish every other man of God is like him. He never ceases to emphasise salvation, love and charity.

If the man says el-Rufai would die, it is indeed a good question to ask "when" because everyone would die someday.

what is the name of your pastor ?¿,

omenka:
Absolutely. I was so irritated when I watched the video; dude was just shouting and acting like a thug- was just wondering what kind of people worship in that church.

This is why I'd always love my pastor and wish every other man of God is like him. He never ceases to emphasise salvation, love and charity.

If the man says el-Rufai would die, it is indeed a good question to ask "when" because everyone would die someday.

what is the name of your pastor ?¿,

omenka:
Absolutely. I was so irritated when I watched the video; dude was just shouting and acting like a thug- was just wondering what kind of people worship in that church.

This is why I'd always love my pastor and wish every other man of God is like him. He never ceases to emphasise salvation, love and charity.

If the man says el-Rufai would die, it is indeed a good question to ask "when" because everyone would die someday.

what is the name of your pastor ?¿,

naijanaso:
Now you call him childish because he spoke the truth yet you hail PMB when he says everything about Nigeria only when he goes on a foreign trip.

can you imagine pmb painting the nation black overseas and they don't see anything bad about it, but Ben has now been termed childish

kenonze:
See how quick he lost his composure.

Yet you keep attacking PMB on daily basis.

Glad that PMB no even get ur time to reply u

what composure are you talking about here ? this is why Ben has insisted that buhari should budget more on quality education

this is why Ben is advocating seriously about quality education

osesology:
I agree with you, my brova...but I have observed that there isn't too many churches that preach salvation of the soul and the iminence of the kingdom of God, rather it's now more about financial stability and living the fanciful life, and to archieve this, huge tites are always collected.
Now we all know how hard Nigeria is, esp for the youths. The way they brainwash people these days, esp women, I begin to wonder if native doctors are now posing as pastors.

that's right pastors have not been very helpful concerning the work of preaching salvation to the people just like Christ instructed. most churches now preach what they feel like preaching, some who tend to preach salvation does that in wrong way. tithe preaching has become the bedrock of Pentecostal churches. money is now the reigning thing in churches today, church are being run like companies, some of them even make fortune more the companies. people are turning atheist because of the work and behaviour of these pastors.

dalaman:
I have seen muslim boys up north in Nigeria using the pages of the blue pocket new testament bibles they share around to smoke weed back in the days. I used to feel very terrible about it. I used to silently pray to God to strike them for desecrating his holy book. But it never happened

God cannot strike them, cos that isn't his plan for mankind, he want all to come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved through Jesus christ and enjoy the benefit in his grace.

truthman2012:
I couldn't find in the quran where allahh enjoined the muslims to LOVE one another and to also LOVE their neighbours. Am I wrong ?

Let the muslims prove me wrong. Quran makes it clear that allahh's love or mercy does not extend to those he calls unbelivers:

[Quran 48:29] Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves......

Loving one another is a commandment in the Bible, an evidence that you are of God:

Mark 12:30-31
“And you shall love the Lord your
God with all your heart and with
all your soul and with all your
mind and with all your strength.’
The second is this: You shall love
your neighbor as yourself.’ There
is no other commandment greater
than these.”

John 13:34-35
“A new commandment I give to
you, that you love one another:
just as I have loved you, you also
are to love one another. By this all
people will know that you are my
disciples, if you have love for one
another.”

Thank God for Jesus, When you have Christ your life automatically change. You start experiencing and exhibiting the highest commandment which is LOVE.

tartar9:
No.1&2- You mean Ex-wife

No.3-Pure nonsense

. Are you answering? Speaking for or against the thread ?

mu2sa2:
Good development. The free feeding programme is achieving its primary aim of getting pupils to stay in school. Those not in school will be attracted by the food. God bless El-Rufai for his foresight.

So in your own little thinking, you feel that a child you went to school because of food is going to learn anything in the school? The child is only after the food. Children in the east go to school for the love of education not for food

analice107:
Lolzzzzzz@Ops.

Why not try picking your Bible to read so that when you open up your mouth to talk, you'd be sure of what you are saying?

Let's start here. In Egypt, When God brought out the Israelis from Egypt. While leaving, Yahwey instructed them to borrow jewelries of Gold, silver and Diamonds from their neighbors. They did. You would think He asked them to do that so that they will be rich in precious stone right?
But.
While in the Wilderness, The Temple was to be build, God commanded that, His people should bring all the Gold, diamonds and all the precious stones for the building of His Temple.

Why do you think God blesses you with money?
Is it for you to buy all the good things of life, while the Kingdom of God suffers?

Haggai 1:2 Thus says the LORD OF HOST, This people say, the time is not come, the time that the house of God should be built (The furtherance of the Kingdom).
3. Then the word of God came to His servant, the Prophet Haggai saying.

4. Is it time for you, O ye, to dwell in your Cieled houses, and this house(The work of God) is laid waste?
5. Now therefore, consider your ways.

6. YOU HAVE SOWN MUCH, BUT YOU BRING IN LITTLE, YOU EAT BUT YOU HAVE NOT ENOUGH, YOU DRINK, BUT YOU ARE THIRSTY, YOU WEAR CLOTHES BUT YOU ARE NOT WARM. AND THOSE THAT EARNS WAGES, THEY EARN WAGES TO PUT IT IN A BAG WITH HOLES.

9. You look for much, but you get little, and when you bring it home, I blow it away.

WHY?
Because my house( My work) is laying waste, while you run off, everyone of you to your own houses(businesses)

What do you think brought Christianity to you? What do think is taking the gospel of the kingdom to the uttermost part of the earth?

Money, yes Money is what is taking the good news to those who needs it. Because it's obvious you don't need it, neither do u want others to hear it.

God needs my Money, because He is the one who gave me power to Make it in the first place
Deut 8:18.

God gives you life, health, energy and vitality. He gave you a job or business to do. He asks for just a little of that money so that His work can be taken to others who haven't heard, you stand here, not only not give but try to turn away others who would. You, my dear is either ignorant or an agent of Satan, who by all means will fight to kill the gospel.

See the Muslims, everywhere in the world, pays Zakat. A compulsory tax. That is what the Islamic world uses today to sponsor the terrorism(Jihad) we see today.

Christianity says, bring just a tent of what you earn, So that the gospel can be taken to others, Yet you stand and talk down on Men on God, as if they wrote the Bible.

If any man of God steals God money. Ouch. It's a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Almighty God. For if Satan is after you, God can deliver you, but if God is after you, WHO CAN DELIVER YOU?

In Acts of the Apostles, collections were made to send to missionaries.
If you can't be a missionary, then sponsor someone. If you don't have money to sponsor, then pray for the missionaries and that the word of God should have free course and be established in the hearts of men.

Listen you Critique. There won't be any escape. You'll stand before your maker someday very soon and answer for the role you played here. The Bible says, we should strengthen the feeble knees, not weaken them.
It's not compulsory in Christiandom to give ur money. If you don't want to give, then don't.
I hope you read what God says happens to those who neglect His work?

Keep your money, but you'll never be fulfilled.

. Are you sure you are a Christian my dear? You are quoting the scripture backward. Psalm30:5 "For his anger lasts only a moment, but his favor lasts a lifetime! Weeping may last through the night, but joy comes with the morning"

tbaba1234:
This is an understanding according to scholars of the religion.

Muslims are allowed to marry christians, can you hate your wife?

Are you serious ??

tempem:
Yes it does. Reasons are, without money you can't buy clothes you'll wear to places of worship, neither without money, you can't get shoes, these are the least items. So, you could see that there is money involvement in serving God. But, the question is, does pastors really make people believe that worship of God involves money? No! . They [b]make people believe that WITHOUT MONEY you can't serve God.[b/] Which point blank, they are just thieves.

. Hmmmmm

Does the worship of God involves money like some pastors make their members to believe. And again what is the reward for a pastor or Man of God who served the lord faithfully...... Is it riches or assurance of heaven ? I will like to know what you think

Mr Tok, i was laughing when i was reading your article, not because you weren't preaching the truth, but because many Christian reading it will not understand it at all cos all they were taught by their head is salvation by works. That is why some pastors will condemn caving of the bears, bangles, wrist watch, jean trousers and banning of television. If truly they have holy spirit they won't be mindful of sin but rather focus on Jesus and what he did on the cross for us. It seems the law of moses has eaten deep into many churches and they find it very hard to accept the free gift given to them by God through faith in Christ. I believe the life i live today isn't mine, since i was crucified with christ and was raised with him, now it is the holy spirit that controls your action and guides you on what to do. If you have the holy spirit in you my dear you will be the one forcing yourself to sin, and that is what i called living above. But the sweetest part of this kinda life is that i contributed nothing to it, that is i didn't achieve it by my own strength or struggle. This is exactly what the OP was saying

fulanimafia:
This is a Federal institution so I wonder what Jonathan and his education minister have been doing to let this place rot to this degree. This is truly nauseating, PMB's attention should be drawn to this so he can intervene and save the poor students from sickness and diseases.

The Senate Committee on Education once visited the institute on a fact-finding tour so what was done about the rot?

I see!!!!!!! So the president has to do everything for them. He has to wash their toilet, sweep their floor, repaint the worn out buildings ?? What are the house managements doing.
When i was in school, the school was always being decorated all the time, the lecture buildings were repainted most times we went on holidays, women of that community were given the job of sweeping the school every morning and they were employed in their numbers, flower planted everywhere and trimmed when necessary.

sinizia:
I don't think it's a good move because it'd increase unemployment, economic hardship and other sufferings which might metamorphize into stealing by affected parties. This action is wrong IMHO.

What El-Rufai should do is to copy the Chadians and ban wearing of any type of Hijab TEMPORARILY for now till this bombing issues subsides. These new breed of female terrorist hides these locally-made bombs in their hijabs.

Banning hawking might not work since the bombers can go to market and other gatherings and bomb people.

I think that is what he should do, ban the ladies of putting on the full hijab, and be using the short one that covers only the head for now till things get a bit relaxed

sinizia:
I don't think it's a good move because it'd increase unemployment, economic hardship and other sufferings which might metamorphize into stealing by affected parties. This action is wrong IMHO.

What El-Rufai should do is to copy the Chadians and ban wearing of any type of Hijab TEMPORARILY for now till this bombing issues subsides. These new breed of female terrorist hides these locally-made bombs in their hijabs.

Banning hawking might not work since the bombers can go to market and other gatherings and bomb people.

I think that is what he should do, ban the ladies of putting on the full hijab, and be using the short one that covers only the head for now till things get a bit relaxed

tartar9:
they were told as their citizens to pay their tax and not forced to convert as you say.

As citizens of who ? You mean ISIS is now their Government? A terrorist group? I ask again what and what were the options they were given cos what you mentioned here is just paying of tax to terrorist group. What are the "options"

tartar9:
thats not really true,they were given options.

Options to do what ? Can you state the options given to them as you said

tbaba1234:
The Quran says muslims should not take jews,and christians as 'auliya' .

What does auliya mean? In what context was the revelation given? How come the companions of the prophet had jewish and christian friends??

There are many words for friends in Arabic language, depending on the kind of friendship, the people enjoy...

i.auliya relates to a 'protecting friend'.... Like a father is an auliya to his son. Allah is the auliya to the believers....

So what does this mean?

i.) The muslims were in a state of war but they had friends who remained jews or christians. Some of these friends did not like the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)and supported for the other size: The mushrik of mecca.

If the relationship between the two friends was one whereby the Non-muslim was an auliya or a wali to the muslim... It means the muslim depends on him for protection and tells him everything, this could include military strategies.. etc.. A Non-muslim friend with loyalties elsewhere can divulge this kind of information to the other side

So even though the muslims maintained cordial relationships with their Jewish and christian friends, It was not the kind of relationship, where the non muslim was an wali or auliya to the muslim.

Is this just your own understanding of those verses, cos i see you are educated. How do the Islamic extremist, those that call themselves Allah's soldiers view this verses ?

tbaba1234:
The Quran says muslims should not take jews,and christians as 'auliya' .

What does auliya mean? In what context was the revelation given? How come the companions of the prophet had jewish and christian friends??

There are many words for friends in Arabic language, depending on the kind of friendship, the people enjoy...

i.auliya relates to a 'protecting friend'.... Like a father is an auliya to his son. Allah is the auliya to the believers....

So what does this mean?

i.) The muslims were in a state of war but they had friends who remained jews or christians. Some of these friends did not like the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)and supported for the other size: The mushrik of mecca.

If the relationship between the two friends was one whereby the Non-muslim was an auliya or a wali to the muslim... It means the muslim depends on him for protection and tells him everything, this could include military strategies.. etc.. A Non-muslim friend with loyalties elsewhere can divulge this kind of information to the other side

So even though the muslims maintained cordial relationships with their Jewish and christian friends, It was not the kind of relationship, where the non muslim was an wali or auliya to the muslim.

Is this just your own understanding of those verses, cos i see you are educated. How do the Islamic extremist, those that call themselves Allah soldiers view this verses ?

[quote author=tbaba1234 post=29565830]There is no compulsion in religion:

What is islamic stand on those who fail to believe either in Muhammad or Allah ?

I really wish you can be truthful in that regard

fabrigas18:
and which verse in the Quran did u read dat, I will love 2 cross-check. Satan

Qur'an (5:51)-"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Qur'an (5:80)- "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
Qur'an (3:28)- "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..."This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."
Qur'an (3:118)-"O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand."This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.
Qur'an (9:23)-"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them".
Qur'an (53:29)-"Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

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tbaba1234:
“O you who believe! Be mindful of Allaah,
and be with those who are true (in word and
deeds).” [al-Tawbah 9:119]

What about those verses that are full of hatred, inciting war, promoting killing of unbeliever of islam ? I asked again why can't the muslim allow everyone (even their people) to practise whatever religion they desire. As it is, my brother or sister can choose to worship whatever he/she wants, without interference from anyone. As a christain i only believe in preaching the word of God, but the conversion belongs to God whose word you are preaching. Salvation is entirely God's. You can preach from now till eternity, if the Lord has not sanctioned those words or taken hold of those words, it will achieve nothing. Any conversion gotten by compulsion, inciting fear, threat, or by enticing with material things(like money, goodies) is false and should be avoided. Giving people options like; either you convert to Islam or you leave your house or be killed is demonic practise. QED

tartar9:
who is compelling who?

Be listening to news, you will see how ISIS are forcing christain to covert to muslim or be killed

In the lady's own statement "...the angel of my pastor....." And not even the angel of God, and it was published in their magazine for evangelism, am i to believe that they their pastor has his own set of angels and God has his. People should be very careful with how they idolized their leaders all in the name of testimony. People erroneously give glory to their pastors instead of God, and religious leaders and pastors have in many occassions accepted these prasies without correcting their members, this is what the bible called blasphemy. I don't want to start questioning the authenticity of this testimony, but, Let man always be man while God be God.
Thanks

Ifeann:
Tartar9 is being honest here. Unlike the majority of Muslims he stated facts about the command to spread Islam via force and jihad.
Here are some narrations, hadiths and quran verses to understand his mindset.

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."

Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Religion of peace indeed, it is evidently clear what islam stands for, with all these(quotes), still a right thinking human being will lie to protect evil. What makes human thinks that he can fight for a God in all his supremacy, this should be total Haram in islam. Even without being religious, i have got a brain and it tells me that it is absurd to compel someone to accept your believe. I refuse to follow a God that i will be fighting for. God should rather fight for his children

I was totally shocked from what i read on lord's choosen Magazine concerning how the Angel of Lazarus Muoka carried a woman from Lagos to Enugu in his car and the Angel disappeared the moment he dropped her at Enugu. Initially i thought it was a typographical error but i was amazed when i realized that the headline carried the same thing even in capital letters

tbaba1234:
You are the liar....

“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

‘You must be truthful, for truthfulness leads to righteousness and righteousness leads to Paradise. A man will keep speaking the truth and striving to speak the truth until he will be recorded with Allaah as a siddeeq (speaker of the truth). Beware of telling lies, for lying leads to immorality and immorality leads to Hellfire. A man will keep telling lies and
striving to tell lies until he is recorded with
Allaah as a liar.” (Reported by Muslim,
4721)

Kindly back your statement with a quotation from the Qu'ran please, will you ?

Am still waiting for a muslim who will decline that islam isn't terror or breed terrorist