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Christianity EtcRe: Is It Proper To Label Pastors As Crooks by Azibalua(op): 6:52pm On Jan 25, 2010
this post was meant for the thread "is it proper to label pastors as crooks" posted by joagbaje and not meant to be a different thread entirely
sorry
Christianity EtcIs It Proper To Label Pastors As Crooks by Azibalua(op): 3:52pm On Jan 25, 2010
pastors as crooks , thats horrible, that means apostle paul who received from the phillipans generously was one, even our lord jesus christ who used peters boat.
thats wrong a pastor is anointed for the people and not for himself , whatever they give to him as gifts is highly spiritual, GAL 6:6
you cant give to a man of god and remain the same 2 COR 6: 10
Christianity EtcRe: Should Our First Fruit Go To The Pastor's Pocket? by Azibalua(f): 4:19pm On Jan 24, 2010
KunleOshob:
Well as a christian i ought to put you on the right path, go and search your scriptures well and you would discover the emphasis on christian giving is to the poor an the needy and not to the church or pastors. Christian teachings are the teacchings of christ and the apsotles in the bible and NOT old testament [judaism] teachings that preachers now smuggle into christianity and twist for  their benefit. Contrary to your false assertions that you only get blesssed when you give to these false prophets that teach these heresies Jesus specifically taught that giving to the poorand needy is giving to him and the reward is the Kingdom of heaven which such people would be admitted to. Tithing, first fruit and seed sowing are NOT christian teachings but rather Judaism, those teachings are not applicable to christians as doctrine as the apostles never taught them to the church and it was never a practise of the christian church founded by the apostles. Below is what christ as to say about giving to the poor and needy + the glorious reward that awaits those who do it.

Matthew 25:31-40:
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The Final Judgment
   31 “But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. 32 All the nations[b] will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left.
   34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’
   37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
   40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters,[ you were doing it to me!’

If you still want to pursue this argument with me kindly post at least one scripture in the new testament in it's proper contest were believers are taught to give to their pastors and preachers as a means for receiving blessings. Just one scripture abeg!!!!!
Christianity EtcRe: Should Our First Fruit Go To The Pastor's Pocket? by Azibalua(f): 6:12am On Jan 24, 2010
[quote author=KunleOshob link=topic=383412.msg5373057#msg5373057 date=1264267047
Whoever you are,you desperately need help to be freed from the shackles of the anti -christ and satan.
[quote][/quote]Wonderful, the truth really hurts,its you who needs help can't you see that the god of this world has so blinded your eyes to spiritual things as simple as this.
But thanks be unto god who in his infinite mercy has made it possible for the likes of you to come to the knowledge of his word.
Christianity EtcRe: Should Our First Fruit Go To The Pastor's Pocket? by Azibalua(f): 4:41pm On Jan 23, 2010
Sprumbaba:
I don't need to be enlightened (not even from a man of God. Since I am not a man of Satan, I am also a man of God myself ). I already have an answer for the question and it is no first fruit to pastor.

I will give my first fruit, even more than my first fruit  to the orphanage homes, beggars and those that needs help.

BARAWO

A man of god does not operate like you, bible says no man takes this honour upon himself , wake up from your dreams, but then then for your information you don't get blessed for giving your first fruits to beggars or orphanages do not get the scriptures wrong, bible says honour the lord with the thine substance  and with the  first fruits of all thine increase. The lord and not beggars who have not been anointed by god to receive offerings.

Beggars and the less priviledged should be helped of course because the bible says to do good to all men but definitely not with your first fruit.
Christianity EtcRe: Should Our First Fruit Go To The Pastor's Pocket? by Azibalua(f): 1:56pm On Jan 23, 2010
how come you want to be enlightened but yet you are looking in the wrong place. If you do not have the understanding as regards thevfurst fruit the best place to seek counsel is from an anointed man of god. The bible says pastors have been given for our edification and also they feed us with knowledge and understanding.so get wise. Remember blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel if the ungodly
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Proper To Label Pastors As Crooks? by Azibalua(f): 1:14pm On Jan 22, 2010
Annunaki:
@agbaje
Likewise tithes and first fruit is for old testament levites and not pastors. I guess they are just picking and choosing what favours them in the old testament.
pls go back and study your scriptures properly
was melchisedec a levite bible states that abraham paid tithes to melchisedec and levites paid tithes in abraham so how come melchisedec collected tithes. heb 7:9 -10
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Proper To Label Pastors As Crooks? by Azibalua(f): 1:01pm On Jan 22, 2010
aletheia:
Exactly. . .Mr Joagbaje, I think worships his pastor rather than look to Jesus who is the author and finisher of our faith.
pastors have been given to us by god  for our edification and perfection, they are ordained to nurture our lives, of course the church finance does not belong to the pastor as well as to any other member of the church, pastors live by their own faith as well.

but then how can we preach the gospel we have without money anyone who sugests that is just a hypocrite,

in this day and age one sure way of ensuring the gospel reaches the ends of the earth is thru the media and this costs mega bucks not chicken change, you cannot buy airtime with a piece of paper ,you do it with hard currency

jeremiah 3:15 says and i will give you pastors according to my heart which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
thus a pastor is anointed to teach the members to prosper and one sure way of doing that is thru giving,

a pastor who askes his members to give is surely right and not  a fraud he is only causing them to work in laws of prosperity, giving is a principle of the scriptures that cannot be overlooked.

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