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merit12: She had insomia before. She wasgiving the oflaxacin

phantom:

it does BUT you make it sound like we held a gun to FGs head for an increment in salary.
besides I hope you know the correction was also done for johesu so in effect they will get their arrears too.

phantom: but on a serious note,it is intact the nurses who should be specialising like doctors.
if you ask me,their post basic programme hasnt gathered enough clout yet.
they have a WAC of nursing but they don't seem to be serious honestly.

pharmacists too should be able to specialise in a different postgraduate program ACCORDING TO HOW THEY DEEM FIT.

we should have cardiovascular pharmacists,nephrology Pharm,Hiv pharm....e.t.c

for the lab guys, what do they need specialising for? they are already in one area of medicine.

joker5180: why can't these professionals develop a programme that is PECULIAR to their profession? is residency applicable to ALL of them?

phantom: JOHESU over to you!!!

phantom: Below is the breakdown of the monthly earnings of a Nigerian senator:NOTE: ALL ARE IN NAIRA
Basic Salary – 2,484 245.50
Hardship Allowance (50% of B.S) – 1 242 122.70
Consistuency allowance (200% of B.S) – 4 968 509.00
Furniture Allowance (300% of B.S) – 7 452 736.50
Newspapers Allowance (50% of B.S) – 1 242 122.70
Wardrobe Allowance (25% of B.S) – 621 061.37
Recess Allowance (10% of B.S) – 248 424.55
Accommodation (200% of B.S) – 4 968 509.00
Utilities (30% of B.S) – 828 081.83
Domestic Staff (75% of B.S) – 1 863 184.12
Entertainment (30% of B.S) – 828 081.83
Personal Assistance (25% of B.S) – 621 061.37
Vehicle Maintainance Allowance (75% of B.S) – 1 863 184.12
Leave Allowance (10% of B.S) – 248 424.55
Severance grautity (300% of B.S) – 7 452 736.50
Motor Vehicle Allowance (400% of B.S) – 9 936 982.00 – Every Four YearsSenators’ salary per month – N 2 456 647.7
Total = N 29 479 749 * 109 Senators
Grand Total = N 3 264 329 264.10
[b]The breakdown above does not include: the quaterly unaccountable constituency allowances (35million for each house of rep. member. 48 million for each sen.), their individual convoy of tinted bulletproofs dozens of brandnew Jeeps, some unnamed backyard moneys, some big and fat handy envelops nor does it include ‘never to be known by the public’ moneys not to talk of embezzlement and bribery etc.From the breakdown one will immediately understand the reason why our politics is christianed ‘DO OR DIE AFFAIR’ for the money seems enough for any insane senator, as it seems we have, to want to end his opponent breath at election. No wonder the senate president has turned his public post into a life affair stuff. No wonder senatorial and representative sits have turned hereditarial in nature for after the said 2 terms the sit should be left for relatives or children. No wonder we kept having boxers and wrestlers in N.A instead of them representing the nation in several weight titles and championships. No wonder ‘serving’ the people is a must .
All a doctor is asking for is #100 000 monthly Hazard not hardship allowance & this appears "TOO MUCH" for Jonathan/Onyebuchi.[/b]

drobadebayo:
Are u speaking of the committee which it's chairman resigned because of lack of funds and commitment on FGs side?this committee failed as soon as it started.FG should stop playing both Johesu nd NMA nd solve this thing at once.if they acceed to NMAs demands today,johesu ll embark on another strike and FG ll start issuing MOUs again as usual.If FG is serious it should find a lasting solution to this issue.

chuksbogus: the problem in health sector is that some of the professionals are not good in adapting to changes.the doctors are finding it difficult to accept that other professions are expanding,improving and evolving. they find it hard to accept that Nurses can be degree holders,master and PhD holders.they keep comparing medicine and nursing which can never be compared cos they are two different progression.One says its 6yrs course the other said its 5 years both when graduated are degree Holders. they do internship which nurses will start very soon,pharmacy and med lab are doing the same internship.pls people on appointment drs start on grade level12 other 8,and 10 and here they are asking of relativity saying yet d salary of a nurse on 12 shld not be equal to that of dr on 12 not minding that the nurse must have put up not least 9 years to 12yrs to get to that grade level 12 that a newly employed 10 is starting like wise other health professionals.they don't want others yo be consultants when the body regulating that profession has stipulated the criteria for their members to be consultants saying that they d drs suffer to be a consultant.pls if for instance nursing and midwifery council of Nigeria state that for one to be a nurse consultant he must be a masters degree holder in nursing and must have gone through with courses with west African council of nursing and is now a fellow is that not their criteria? must d nurse go through the same drs procedure to be a consultant nurse?mind you we are talking of consultant nurse not dr here .is it the issue of a director where other proffesionals outside health get to direct and now drs said that even If u have PhD that when u get to asst director you shld remain there .OK 100k hazard allowance for only drs imagine are they exposed to hazard than the nurse that stays with this patient 24/7 or the lab scientists that deals with biohazards everyday? that they are asking for only drs if others ask theirs drs will go on strike .I think the drs shld know that other professions are growing and shld accept that fact that not the nurses you have in 1980 that is around now not med lab tech now but med lab science .each profession in health shld fight to progress and be the best in their profession and forget about fighting each other cos all of them must work together for patient to get well.

drobadebayo: Most people who have commented on the recent sack of the resident doctors by
President Jonathan do not understand how wrong he got it.
Firstly,the strike was not embarked upon by the Resident Doctors(governed under
NARD) but by the Nigerian Medical Association which happens to be the parent body of
all medical practitioners. The resident doctors in all Teaching Hospitals are the engine
room of the hospital,the Consultants are merely supervisors. The president should have
gone for the job of the consultants and M.O's who are the primarily the leaders of
NMA,not the residents. To illustrate,its like ASUU being on strike and the president
decides to sack only junior lecturers leaving the senior lecturers and profs that control
ASUU.
Secondly,since residency program was the reason why Teaching hospitals were
created,since the program has been suspended indefinitely it means that every
Teaching Hospital should also be shut down indefinitely.
Thirdly,this indefinite suspension also included House officers! What he doesn't know is
that house job is a compulsory one year program which every medical student MUST
undertake before he or she graduates fully to become a medical doctor. By doing
this,he has automatically suspended the graduation of all final year medical students
nationwide!

drobadebayo:
Sir u said 90percent demands have been MET,yet u said FG will not answer NMAs demands,that it's easier to suspend residency than acceding to NMAs demands.
What a contradictory message.Are u a politician.
What u jst said means FG is politicising dis issue nd ur in FULL support.
"FG has met deir key demands but it's easier to suspend residency Dan meeting d demands,so it was suspended"

drobadebayo:
Sir u said 90percent demands have been MET,yet u said FG will not answer NMAs demands,that it's easier to suspend residency than acceding to NMAs demands.
What a contradictory message.Are u a politician.
What u jst said means FG is politicising dis issue nd ur in FULL support.
"FG has met deir key demands but it's easier to suspend residency Dan meeting d demands,so it was suspended"

drobadebayo:
Fortunately residency is not like law school,residents make up the bulk of the doctors workforce in teaching hospitals,they r not just training,they are working.
And there z no where in d world residents pay for residency.maybe in Pluto tho.
If FG is so trustworthy,why are they still on strike?why is ASUU trying to come bk on strike.This FG loves MOUs which they never implement.they signed MOUs in January nd NMA is still on strike because of d same issues.This FG can't be trusted,what NMA is saying is they should start implementing,show some seriousness,not stupid MOUs that ll eventually amount to nothing.
NMA has denied dese purported 90% implementation countless times,u don't expect them to put it every letter,do u
Bottomline is FG is unserious about this issue.

ziga:

Agreed.

ziga:

I agree with your principle as well.

I do not work in Nigeria, so I can tell you that I have seen both sides.

The places I have worked (outside Nigeria), when a Doc prescribes or writes an instruction or whatever he wants, It is called a physician order.
So, Lab tests, medications etc are called physician orders.

So, referring to Docs instructions as orders is nothing new and that is what it is called in the part of the world where I work, that Nigerians are trying to emulate.

When I write an "order" here, it has to be performed. If it is not done, the Pharmacist or lab scientist or nurse would appropriately call to let me know if they have recommendations that might differ from mine. However, I still have the final say regarding what is done because I stand as the coordinator of care between all health workers involved and the patient.

A Doctor is trained as a diagnostician and coordinator between other healthworkers and that is why the curriculum overlaps with so many other's. A lot of people have been chanting a Doc can't be a jack of all trades, but he is. Not master of all. But he is the jack of all trades.

Regardless of what we want to cal it. That is order/instructions or anything. We should not create chaos ad we should play our parts in the care of our patients.

And this is the biggest issue I have with everything going on. Even when we work as a team, there is still a process, otherwise there is no team.

Ego is a personality trait, and a lot of people believe Docs have big Egos. Maybe true, maybe not. However, regardless of how you feel about your teammate's personality, we still have to perform our duties.

Judah1986: Every time the Minister of health is asked about
the strike he'll say that 90% of NMA demands
have been met. No one ever asks him to explain
what 90% meant; some circulars and MoU.
These are documents they offer you and turn
round to contravene and debase. In January they offered circulars and MoU, we took them and
called off threat of strike, 7 months later the
circulars were never implemented and the MoU
have been desecrated by this same government.
Now MoU and Circulars are no longer sacred
government documents. We want commencement of implementation. This
government lies a lot. Today they said they don't
have money to implement but 6 months earlier
when granting the circular we urged them to
send supplementary budget for it's
implementation. The government agents said our business was to do our work as they will pay
from SERVICE WIDE VOTE. Who is fooling who?
Isreal despite being in a constant war zone did
not sack her doctors after 5 months of strike.
All through this strike, doctors under NMA
directive have always scrambled to take care of bomb blasts victims in the North. Several NGOs
commended this gesture, did your government
comment on these?[b] People are bamboozled into
thinking that all doctors are actually needed to
contain ebola (which by the way this
government stood by and watch fly into Nigeria). That’s cheap propaganda.All they need are
infectious disease specialists and the public
health physicians.[/b]Ebola will also not be
managed in Teaching Hospitals, we need
quarantine centres. Not that pako (raw wood)
mama-put structure at Mainland hospital Lagos. After N1.9b release all we have are wooden
structures no airflow controlled tents. No citizen
have asked government questions on these.
NMA have volunteered to send necessary
specialists to the quarantine centres. Where are
the quarantine centres in your state? We don't need Surgeons, Gynaecologists, Dermatologist,
etc for ebola containment. It's all cheap
propaganda. Note that in this strike NMA is going
for broke. We don’t care what Nigerians think
because they are weak. People that worship
those that acquired riches by stealing from them (Nigerians). [/b]We want the health sector privatised
or order restored. People that set up Yayale
Ahmed committee to study international best
practices in health sector and make suggestions
on way forward then turn around and
undermine the same committee, rendering their recommendations useless before they started
(after spending so much to fund it).Nigerians'
capacity for selective amnesia amazes me[b].Well, I
am always consoled by the fact that every
population only gets the leadership they
deserve. [b][/b]Copied from U. R. O

ziga:

If Docs didn't think anybody else was important, they would do everything by themselves. Which is not the case. A lot of team members have a problem with doing what the Doc says because "they are taking orders from him and they know more than he does".

Everybody in their mind knows more than GEJ, but he is our president, and until that changes, we have to take orders from him.

What is the sense in wasting resources like that? (Having Docs do everything) Economically, it costs too much to train a Doc, to have them doing certain things. It is like employing a university professor to teach a nursery school or a employ a hotel manager only to have him/her serve food.

Everybody is important, and each member has a role to play. Most Docs are only saying that other players should play their part.

Michel should play no 10
Enyeamma should stay at the goal post
Musa should stop falling etc.

armadeo:


Mr I don't have your time. You are here raving. Keep it up. All this issues you are raising here I have thrashed before on other threads I don't have the energy to start explaining to someone whose mind is already made up.

As I said before it will end one way or the other.

armadeo:

I don't want to even think of the horror this would ha e been. It would have been an epidemic by now.

We would be talking in hundreds of thousands. People don't even get the drift.

ziga:

My guy, it is your FG that is leaving its people to die.

The strike has lingered because your FG is without a sensible leader, and now this is their solution.

Take off your blinders.

How can a reasonable FG fire its Docs that are clearly overworked and underpaid during an Ebola outbreak

By the time this news filters out to the whole world, I bet you the US will request for their ZMAPP back.

SMH!!!

armadeo:


This is naija for you. Many still won't comprehend what you have said.

Primitive hatred will showcase it self. Watch and see.

armadeo:


Go and find out who is supposed to know how many towels were used in an operation before the dr closes the patient.







Thank me later.

phibah: Is residency program the bone of contention in this Strike?
To what extent has the presidency and health ministry shown commitment to end this strike.?
Why should they leave the substance and be chasing shadows?
The minister refused to appear before the house commitee on health to sort out issues...the president himself have never said a word on the strike...
The minister became a consultant orthopedic surgeon thru residency training....and now he wants to stop others.
Is NMA synonymous with NARD?
What of those in the employ of state governments?
.....so who becomes consultants after the present batch retires?
......resident doctors are the backbone of teaching hospitals in their areas of specialty..
Where will the government get replacement...160000 I hear
What is wrong with this government?

Have we asked ourselves why India health system has improved....thats a third world country like us..
....THAT'S BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT FUNDING OF SPECIALIST TRAINING...
.....AND OUR GOVERNMENT HERE IS SCRAPPING THEIRS...

I USE TO DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS CLUELESS....NOW I KNOW BETTER

POSTERITY WII JUDGE US..

LET'S REMEMBER....NOT ALL SICKNESS WILL GIVE YOU THE LIBERTY OF TRAVELLING OUTSIDE...
....Some are actually time bound.....when the health system at home is destroyed...where will help come from at that time of urgent need..

I WEEP FOR THIS COUNTRY...WE NEED DIVINE INTERVENTION.