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Religious bigots have come again with their senseless zealotry. Has the identity of the culprit been confirmed to be someone who prays five times daily? And even if, are there not those who read the Bible and still commit evil? And some people are actually liking this senseless comment

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/468186-pastor-kills-wife-buries-corpse-in-shallow-grave.html?tztc=1

omoredia:
U pray 5 times but u never get reminded not to do evil. You serve the devil not God

I dont even know what some people chose to believe in at all, that the child dies because her mother 'lied' against TBJ? Death is inevitable as we all know and we all have our appointed time, so people should stop linking somebody falling dead because their mum accused a "man of God" or suffering heart attack because they condemned Israel. IF all these theories were correct, what happens to the BBC Producer and the journalists that started the investigation, why are they not struck dead by thunder. We should not celebrate death in the way some people have been dong it here. When Daddy Adeboye lost his son, did you think that was a punishment for something Baba did? No.

What happens to:
" The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself" (Ezekiel 18:20)


You lots are the ones giving atheist and agnostics a stick to beat you with, because which loving "God" takes pleasure in punishing the innocent for the sins of their parents

KEVIND:
Exodus 34:7
"I lavish unfailing love to a thousand generations. I forgive iniquity, rebellion, and sin. But I do not excuse the guilty. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children and grandchildren; the entire family is affected— even children in the third and fourth generations.”
Beware, you wouldn't want to experience the Anger of God.

it is mostly the ignoramus lots who know next to nothing about what this war is doing to Israel economically,, politically, and safety of Jews wordlwide that revels in the killings. Yes Palestinians are dying but at what cost to Israel in monetary and human terms. After having mobilised almost half a million troops of regular and reservists for this offensive, four months after they are no where near their objective. They said they want to liberate the hostages, but how many of such hostages have been liberated by the IDF in Gaza instead they have been killing thier own, and what is the true number of IDF casualties so far. Not to talk of an estimated daily cost of $260 million according to Bloomberg to achieve what! Not even the almighty US can afford such a cost and yet their objectives are not achieved. The Houthis are starting their own palaver blockading the Red Sea to any vessel bound for Israel whilst the Hezbollah are getting agitated on the Lebanese front and some ignoramus still thinks its a piece of cake for Israel?

Krismas:
What’s the meaning of ORGANIZED OPPOSITION? Even Israel war cabinet is deeply divided now also. The IDF chief does not attend the meetings again. In just two months of fighting, Israel has managed to incur more debts twice Ukraine whos been fighting for two years! The IDF have killed yet another hostage in Gaza two days back, in a failed attempt to recover the laptop of the hostage in the hands of PFLP militants, IDF bombed the hostage
Now Natanyahu is not the owner of Israel. His plan is not working. Since the war he has only managed to kill 21,000 out of 2.3miliion Gazans. Too slow, too weak
And within the same time massive demonstrations against Israel is regularly ongoing in most cities in the world. Hatred against Jews have increased 200% in Europe and in Israel there are 800,000 internally displaced refugees
Natanyahu is CLEARLY failing. It’s obvious to the smart. Only Mumu people think Israel is winning just like WW2, where Hitler’s generals knew they had lost the war 3yrs b4 it actually happened! I don’t think Israel public need to wait a minute more for Natanyahu to pull the nation into the abyss

Your sadist type are easy to know..... you revel in death and misery of others even if your Lord and Saviour said turn the other cheek abi love and pray for your enemies, I guess all those na opata ... but anyways. do you know the Israeli casualties figure from this so far, whether IDF or civillians, I bet you have no clue because it is not reported to you in the media....... if IDF is just starting what have they been doing for the past four months? One of your fellow sadists here promised us it will all be over in a week......alas the best armed force in the world could not even locate and free the hostages nor take full control of Gaza ( just 365 sq km of land) since their offensive started in October and here you ignoramus is making noise about what you have no idea as if this was a piece of cake for Israel. Maybe if you break away from your cocoon of hatred and come out to reality you will know what this war is doing to Israel reputation, economy , safety and security. And you will be deluding yourself in you think the almighty US will continue to give endless supply money and weapons to Israel, but what do you know, all you want to read is the number of Palestinians killed. Your IPOB mentors are killing your people in your homeland regularly that one no concern you.......

https://www.jta.org/2014/08/11/israel/how-much-has-israels-war-in-gaza-cost

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/war-with-hamas-cost-israel-above-50-bln-newspaper-2023-11-05/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/31/gaza-war-costs-israel-economy/

SultanOfAbia:
I literally derive joy seeing you and Hamas cry everyday, begging for ceasefire.
E sweet me like seriously
You go cry tire All these your wailings too dey sweet me

Gaza looking like Syria

And IDF is just starting.
Your generations will feel the damages and follow you and cry and wail till enternity

See how beautiful Gaza looks
More bombings too come till the whole of Gaza turn to dust

I thought one of your ilks told us here on Nairaland that he gave IDF only one week to wipe out Hamas and destroy the whole of Gaza.....it is easy for you lots to sit in the comfort of your keyboard and be making mouth and laughing at the death and destruction of those whom you hate for whatever reason... it shows a lot about your moral compass. And since IDF has been dropping their bombs the Israelis have been living peacefully after?..

SultanOfAbia:
You will explain tire and cry blood

Now now now IDF is busy blasting your Hamas
Continue writing novels online
It won't stop IDF from dropping bombs upon bombs.
Continue writing novel

Una go cry tire

Dem don come again, would you pray for what is happening in Palestine /Israel now to happen in your community? You can criticise a government sensibly but make sure your criticism is not just based on your resentment of the leader? Why don't you lead and start a campaign to demand for Tinubu's resignation to test the popularity of your opinion. Tell me the leader of that country in the free world who is not currently facing one backlash or the other over policy issue?

Without being a religious or tribal bigot, I think one can safely conclude that your outbursts are part of the post-election trauma syndrome......currently being suffered by so many supporters of a certain Mr Peter. Even you principal has moved on and has learnt his lessons on how to build bridges and not create division in order to be acceptable to every Nigerians and I commend him for that.... but here you are still wailing over the split milk....So the whole of Nigerians now are the "sick" people that Tinubu is ruling over?. I hope that does not include you relatives sill living in Nigeria even if you are not

9jvirgin:
Why can't Nigerians demand resignation of Tinubu? What is happening in Israel that worse hasn't happened in Nigeria? Why are the Nigerian people docile in the face of evil and pain?

Without religious and ethnic bigotry, Tinubu will have no business in Aso rock. A sick man, ruling over sick people. Sad.

With all due respect sir, those calling for a "Free Palestine" in the UK and all over thew world are not "2%" of the population and they are certainly not idiots because they are not bigoted enough not to blindly support a genocidal and oppressive regime like you lots. I know you will call me the next idiot because you people cannot present your case without insult and abuse. From you statement, you are implying the whole of the Irish Nations of Ireland and Northern Ireland, South Africa , Bolivia to mention a few, standing firmly behind a free Palestine are idiots. Same for the millions of people who have participated in several hundreds of marches all over the world in support of a free Palestine including well meaning Israelis and religious Rabbis whose conscience would just not allow them to blindly support the denigration and oppression of a people in the name of "defending ourselves"

Lets not talk of tons of videos by people from mall over the world exposing the hypocrisy and the massive propaganda of the Israelis most of which have been viewed millions of times with hundreds of thousands of LIKES. I respectfully disagree with your " 2% idiots" theory as it is not supported by any data but just a product of your concoction. Public opinion about Netanyahu even before October 7 has not always been pleasant and even after October 7 many felt that he deliberately sacrificed Israeli lives just to have an excuse to declare war on Hamas and boost his rating because the Egyptians warned the Israelis that something was in the offing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

https://electronicintifada.net/content/evidence-israel-killed-its-own-citizens-7-october/41156

SultanOfAbia:
Normally

Every group, team, country, community,area
Always have one thing in common
They are called "IDIOTS"

There will always be a 2% of every population that will always go against their leaders.

USA has it
Russia had it
Even Nigeria has it.

You have couple of idiots in every country.

In UK you see the idiots saying Free Palestine

During end SARS protest.
Some Northeners where doing Pro SARS protest

In Israel, a group of dumb idiots comes together and do protest.
The government don't even listen to such ignoramuses.
They just carry placard and walk like zombies.Na their e go end.

Nobody give a damn about the 2% idiots
Only Hamas and co
Because the idiots are unkownkily helping Hamas

Hamas calls them "Useful Idiots"

I now your type very well, you will never agree when you mess up....you supposedly quote Qurtubi, but your Google translation mentioned

" Ibn Ishaq said the one who was sent by Jesus.........." Did you in your blinded arrogance miss that? You did not quote Sam but you are quoting from his work is what I am telling you, You have sked for another tafseer, here you have Ibn Katheer, please read it and tell me where it says Paul was an appointed disciple. Even Qurtubi you are wailing about only mentioned Paul as a companion of Peter who was an appointed disciple

https://www.alim.org/quran/tafsir/ibn-kathir/surah/61/14/

Ordinarily I don’t debate religion on social media with anonymous people because most of you lots have no manners and etiquette of arguing constructively without resorting to insults and abuse like “ eediots, stop drinking camel urine, paedophile etc. That’s why you will never see me post anything in the religion section of Nairaland. I have been on Nairaland since 2005 and it was really a nice place and we had fun with all sorts of posts until the religious bigots made entrances and every innocuous post must be turned to avenue to castigate and insult one religion. The tribal bigots also came onboard later and the story remains the same. To be candid I have stayed away from NL for more than seven years until I came back during the last election and the story has even gotten worse.

This thread we are discussing has no bearing with religion until you Hotshot Evangelists turned it into a Christian vs Muslim war not even Jews vs Muslims anymore. True, majority of the Palestinians are Muslims, but the bulk of sensible people who have marched in hundreds of protests in support of the Palestinians did not do so because of Islam, but because anyone with a little bit of justice and fairness knows that even before the event of October 7, Israel has completely thrown caution to the wind and have decided to treat the Palestinians whose land was stolen to create the state of Israel as if they were not meant to be existing at all. I keep reminding you that even before the Israelis were “promised” the so call land, there were already people living there. Demography and land ownership in all parts of the world have changed hands many times in the last 10 millienium, but you have never seen any set of people who have not been in control of a particular piece of land for a millennia suddenly wake up one day and start making claims to a piece of land all because their ancestors USED to live there millennium before

Funny enough as we have been arguing , the Zionist Jews whom you are defending blindly do not give a toss about Christianity or even Judaism, Zionism is about Jewish Nationalism and nothing to do with religion. I have just engaged with you lot here just to show you that there is no place for the kind of aggression and brazen land stealing and illegal occupation being carried out by Israel whether they used to be God’s favourite or not. Your eternal hatred for the Muslims has not just started and is definitely not because of some modern day misguided terrorist, it has been there for ages and this story might be a little bit different if the people involved are not Muslims,


If however you want to have a face to face discussion send me a zoom link for anytime on weekends and I will happily oblige you

smokinloud:
You're just a big ediot.
I made a screenshot of other tafsir.
Can you just quote 1 single tafsir to counter that?!. You can't because all of your scholars agree on it

Is tafsir Al-Jalalayn not sound too?!.

The energy that you used to tackle your own scholar and call him a liar, why not use same energy to counter my claim?!.
You can't gain souls to your Jannah by attacking every of your scholars. You call them liars yet you want us to believe them?!. Stop wasting my time alaye

Go a bit back before the Ottomans sir, the Byzantine were also in charge of Palestine for many centuries an d the Jews were still a minority in this period. True the Zionist bought some land but over 70% of what constitutes the present state of Israel were forcibly seized from the remaining Palestinians ( Christians and Muslims) during the Nakba from about 1949.

Even when the UN have settled the matter of East Jerusalem and West Bank, did Israel comply? Modern day ownership of land is not determined by an historical promise in a ' book of God'

Resolution 298: September 25, 1971, confirmed in “the clearest possible terms” that all actions taken by Israel to change the status of Jerusalem, such as land confiscation, were illegal.

Resolution 465: March 1, 1980, demanded Israel to stop the planning and construction of settlements in territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem. It also called on Israel to “dismantle the existing settlements”.
Are you aware of the Western Wall Decree of 1931 confirming the ownership of the Wailing Wall of the Temple to the Muslims after successfully proving their case with the International Court of Justice (ICJ)? This is how things are done in modern times as we are no longer in the era of might is right

https://ecf.org.il/issues/issue/1412

As for Paul, below is what I have presented from your Bible about the contradictions in the narration of his conversion


At Acts 9:3-8, Paul was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in the city. His men did not see the light, but heard the voice. They remained standing.

At Acts 22:6-11, Paul told the people he was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who again told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in Damascus. This time, his men saw the light but, unlike Paul, were not blinded, and did not hear the voice to go to Damascus. He fell down, but there is no mention of blindness, nor is there any mention of the men seeing or hearing anything, although for some reason they also fell down. He told those at Damascus and Jerusalem about his conversion experience.So can you reconcile it for me thanks?

And If Jesus really sent Paul why did he dedicate all his energy to continue thwarting Jesus's messages, for instance Jesus said he has not come to destroy the law but to fufill it, Paul says you are no longer under the law. Paul was bold enough to ask that you leave the elementary doctrines of Jesus and apply common sense ( even though others think Paul might not be the author, leaving us again the issue of the anonymity of writers)

Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,
Hebrews 6:1

smokinloud:
if you studied literature you'd have known that there's no crime in writing in third person point of view or having scribes to write for you, moreover the disciples were still very much around when Matthew and other gospels were written and nobody objected its veracity.
they've deceived you a lot. The Jews lived not just as minority but as dhimmi (second class city) "aboki" under the Arabs. The Arabs on the land of Palestine were tenants of the Ottoman. The Ottoman were Turkish Islamists.
The land was bought from the land owners by the Zionists. Make research and stop crying like a cry babe

I would have replied you on Paul but you didn't quote biblical verse and I can't be disputing what you didn't support with biblical Quotations. Quote out the verses and let me teach you the bible

the funny thing is that allah claimed he was the God that chased the people out of the land for the Jews in the Quran.

Surah 5:20-26 Picktall translation:
And (remember) when Moses said unto his people: O my people! Remember Allah's favour unto you, how He placed among you prophets, and He made you kings, and gave you that (which) He gave not to any (other) of (His) creatures. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely ye turn back as losers: They said: O Moses! Lo! a giant people (dwell) therein and lo! we go not in till they go forth from thence. When they go forth from thence, then we will enter (not till then). Then out spake two of those who feared (their Lord, men) unto whom Allah had been gracious: Enter in upon them by the gate, for if ye enter by it, lo! ye will be victorious. So put your trust (in Allah) if ye are indeed believers. They said: O Moses! We will never enter (the land) while they are in it. So go thou and thy Lord and fight! We will sit here. He said: My Lord! I have control of none but myself and my brother, so distinguish between us and the wrong-doing folk. (Their Lord) said: For this the land will surely be forbidden them for forty years that they will wander in the earth, bewildered. So grieve not over the wrongdoing folk.


The Jews lived on their land and the Arabs Palestinians lived there too but the land was controlled by the Ottoman until Britain defeat them. None of the Jews or Arab Palestinians control the land prior to 1948

I am confused here please help me out, you mentioned Qurtubi but you have quoted Ibn Ishaq, in any case Qurtubi merely mentioned that PAul was a companion of Peter and that did not make him an appointed Apostle excpet self-appointed anyways through lie and deceit as I have shown from the story of his supposed conversion.

Anyways, I am well aware of your reference it is from Sam Shanoun and I want to lift something from the tafsir that Sam was trying to quote and you will tell me what your take is on that

Noted Muslim commentator Ibn Kathir’s statements are most interesting. Commenting on S. 3:55, he writes:

"This is what happened. When Allah raised ‘Isa to heaven, his followers divided into sects and groups. Some of them believed in what Allah sent ‘Isa as, a servant of Allah, His Messenger, and the son of His female-servant.

However, some of them went to the extreme over ‘Isa, believing that he was the son of Allah. Some of them said that ‘Isa was Allah Himself, while others said that he was one of a Trinity. Allah mentioned these false creeds in the Qur’an and refuted them. The Christians remained like this until the third century CE, when a Greek king called, Constantine, became a Christian for the purpose of destroying Christianity. Constantine was either a philosopher, or he was just plain ignorant. Constantine changed the religion of ‘Isa by adding to it and deleting from it. He established the rituals of Christianity and the so-called Great Trust which is in fact the Great Treachery. He also allowed them to eat the meat of swine, changed the direction of the prayer that ‘Isa established to the east, built churches for ‘Isa, and added ten days to the fast as compensation for a sin that he committed, as claimed. So the religion of ‘Isa became the religion of Constantine, who built more than twelve thousand churches, temples and monasteries for the Christians as well as the city that bears his name, Constantinople (Istanbul). THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, the Christians had the upper hand and dominated the Jews. ALLAH AIDED THEM AGAINST THE JEWS BECAUSE THEY USED TO BE CLOSER TO THE TRUTH THAN THE JEWS, even though both groups were and still are disbelievers, may Allah’s curse descend on them." (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 2, Parts 3, 4, & 5 (Surat Al-Baqarah, Verse 253, to Surat An-Nisa, Verse 147), abridged by a group of scholars under the supervision of Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors Riyadh, Houston, New York, Lahore; First Edition: March 2000], p. 171; bold and capital emphasis ours; cf. online edition)[/b]

IF you want I can send you the whole works of Sam Shanoun on this and instead of lifting pieces from it, you can read the whole lot and convince yourself if has made any valid point. The confused guy was just jumping from tafsir to tafsir trying to pick what suits him

smokinloud:
[b]Al-Qurtubi in his tafsir of surah 61:14 said Paul was amongst the disciples of Jesus Christ sent by allah
He was quoting Ibn Ishaq; the earliest islamic work

Laughable, you are indeed an Islamic scholar, Your arrogance posture already says a lot about you. However you and your fellow orientalists have not just started today fabricating words and attributing them to notable companions, the same thing you did with you Bible, written by anonymous people but attributed to disciples. Your answer is here below, if you know anything about chain of narration then you would know that you have failed with your citation. To confirm that your indeed know Islam more than the Imams, why dont you give me the tafsir of the same ayah from Ibn Kathee

[b]There is no doubt that this commentary is not the work of Ibn ‘Abbas. The chain of transmitters of this commentary goes back to Muhammad Ibn Marwan <– Al-Kalbi <– Abu Salih which is described by Hadith experts as the chain of lies (silsilat al-kadhib), for this line of transmission is utterly dubious and unreliable.

.Abu Salih was described as a liar by his own student Isma’il ibn Abi Khalid, the reason being that Salih actually confessed this fact to him (Abu Ja’far al-’Uqayli, ad-Du’afa’ al-Kabir vol. 1 p. 165).

Al-Kalbi, was one of the most notorious liars of Kufa. His biography in al-Mizzi’s Tahdhib al-Kamal is filled with statements of the scholars of his time who denounced him as an extremely unreliable reporter, and even a blatant liar. (See al-Mizzi, Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 25 pp. 246-253). There exists a very interesting statement in the biography by his kinsman who records Abu Salih as saying that he never narrated any Tafsir to Kalbi. The second is an admission of guilt by Abu Salih. Sufyan ath-Thawri narrates that al-Kalbi said, “Whatever Tafsir I narrated from Abu Salih is untrue. Do not narrate it from me.”

Muhammad ibn Marwan (AKA as-Suddi as-Saghir) was a notorious forger whose lies were noted by both his contemporaries and the scholars after him. (Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 26 pp. 392-394).

Another piece of evidence against tanwir Al-Miqbas’s attribution to Ibn Abbas is the fact that it mentions people by name who lived after Ibn Abbas, sometimes hundreds of years later and that it can suddenly say that “Ibn Abbas said such-and-such” even though this is meant to be a hadith tafsir:[/b]


And also o noble scholar! do you even know what Taqiyyah means? becasue it appears youy like to flaunt words about to project erudition whereas you an ignoramus
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smokinloud:
You are a goa.t mehhhh.

Do you think you're having this discourse with a twa.t?!.

17.104 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And We said unto the Children of Israel after him) after his destruction: (Dwell in the land) the land of Jordan and Palestine; (but when the promise of the Hereafter) when resurrection after death; and it is also said that this means: when Jesus son of Mary descends (cometh to pass we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.)
That's tafsir Ibn Abbas

I challenge you to bring any tafsir that say otherwise. You can't even play taqiyya on me because I have the knowledge of Islam than your imam

So this is your understanding of what you quoted there.... I can't blame you lots, your own Bible alone you are reading you still cannot comprehend.......

smokinloud:
No, Allah said it in his revelation that he gave the land to the Jews till the judgement day and the Arabs are the rebels according to Allah.
Surah:17:104; M١٠٤ وَقُلْنَا مِنْ بَعْدِهِ لِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اسْكُنُوا الْأَرْضَ فَإِذَا جَاءَ وَعْدُ الْآخِرَةِ جِئْنَا بِكُمْ لَفِيفًا104 After him, We said to the Children of Israel, “Inhabit the land, and when the promise of the Hereafter arrives, We will bring you all together.”

See this mumu , he wants to be EQUAL with GOD.... I swear you lots have absolutely no idea of what God is

smokinloud:
why acting like a foooool?!. Why quoting the covenant that YHWH was so concerned about Israel for me to tackle my point that God has Israel in his messianic mission?!. Ain't you a foooool contradicting himself?!.
Whoever accept Jesus is saved whether Jews or non-Jews but a time is coming when the Jews will generally accept christ as the messiah when the time of the gentiles has come to fulness

Romans 11:25-27
[25]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The covenant is what we Christians preach which is the blood of Jesus to save sinners to God and make us EQUAL with God

The best your God can do is to authorize "fraud" to confirm his blessing. I wonder which kind of God you people have in your Bible, he appears to be clueless and no wonder he need to drink his own son's blood because he could forgive Adam

smokinloud:
You are a camel urine drinker ser!.

God didn't bless Jacob because he fraudulently took Esua's blessings. God has blessed Jacob from the time his mother conceived him.

Genesis 25:23-26
[23]And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
[24]And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.
[25]And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.
[26]And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

the birthright fraud was just the humanly way of confirming God's blessings not the cause of God's covenant

go and study the term "anthropomorphism" and how Judaism used it in their religion" before we can start the discussion of how God rested, regretted or is pained. Don't be an ignorant. I won't spoon-feed you

Dont get me started on who wrote the Bible because the earliest book of the New Testament was not written until at least six decades after Jesus supposedly died and since you like Wikipedia so much go and read about it from here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible#:~:text=Internal%20evidence%20within%20the%20texts,Thessalonians%2C%20written%20around%2050%20CE.

Also, who told you that the Matthew for instance wrote the Book of Mathew, what is your evidence for that because if Matthew wrote the book , would he have written

9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
(Matthew 9:9-10)

Why would the writer of a book supposedly dictated by God write in a third person unless the book was written by others. And what about the contradiction in the genealogy of Jesus between Matthew and Luke which you people have never been able to reconcile for millennia.

You said the Palestinian Jews accepted their fellow Jews in Diaspora and so whats anybody'd hassles with that? You see the problem is that pre-1948 the Jews living in Palestine were a minority who had no authority to grant land to anyone excpet what they legally possessed, but the British forcefully carved out Israel from the land of the Palestinian Christain and Muslims and forced and massacred their way to take control of the lands, go and read about the Nakba and how the state of Israel was established and you wont be asking me question about when has Israel conducted war of aggression.

As for Paul the impostor, you said everyone accepted him, oh that's probably why he constantly fought with Peter whom Jesus supposedly said would be the rock upon which his mission would stand and also Barnabas who were both APPOINTED by Jesus himself according to your story book called Bible. All of Paul's narration of his so called meeting with Jesus was filled with contradictions and lies

At Acts 9:3-8, Paul was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in the city. His men did not see the light, but heard the voice. They remained standing.

At Acts 22:6-11, Paul told the people he was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who again told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in Damascus. This time, his men saw the light but, unlike Paul, were not blinded, and did not hear the voice.


At Acts 26.13-19, Paul told Agrippa that he saw a brilliant light and heard Jesus, who gave him his mission, but did not command him to go to Damascus. He fell down, but there is no mention of blindness, nor is there any mention of the men seeing or hearing anything, although for some reason they also fell down. He told those at Damascus and Jerusalem about his conversion experience.


Which of the three account is correct. Anyways Paul has made it the poitn of his theology to contradict and oppose Jesus's supposed sayings at every turn and that was why he was eventually beheaded as the false Prophet he was, as fulfilment of Deuteronomy 18: 20 "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’
Can you quote me the books and page number of those Muslim scholars who said Paul was sent by Allah...... laughable

AS for the proof you have asked for about the ownership of Palestine, I have quoted several times in may threads that the land presently called Palestine was not virgin or empty when your racist God decided to seize it violently and give it to the Israelite, there were the Canaanites, Girgashite, Amorites already living and flourishing on the land. In modern day , you don't claim ownership of land based on the historical promise of one God in books written by obscure people. The Jews have not lived and control the land for over a millenium until the state of Israel was established in 1948. If that was to be the case, then you should tell the White Evangelical Christian nation of USA to evacuate and leave everywhere to the Native Indians who originally owned the land before the Pilgrim Fathers killed and plundered their way towards establishing their nation.

You see , simple we do not believe that God is the one talking in your Bible, so we cannot accept that as evidence of giving other people's land to his "beloved" Which kind of "God" gives this instruction -
The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God . They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." Hosea 13:16 (New Living Translation) Is this the God whose word you are using as evidence? No way

smokinloud:
Ewu!.

You've shifted the goal post to the modern day Jews ?. .

The Y chromosome of most Ashkenazi(Europeans Jews) and Sephardi(African Jews) Jews contains mutations that are common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population, according to a study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome by geneticists namely; Michael Hammer, Harry Ostrer and others, published in 2000. According to Hammer et al. this suggests that the paternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East.

In Ashkenazi (and Sephardi) Jews, the most common paternal lineages generally are E1b1b, J2, and J1, with others found at lesser rates. meaning they are paternally related to Palestinian Jews. Nb: The Jews are the real Palestinians. Arabs are just tenants of Ottoman. Palestine is a Hebrew word, a secular name given to the Jews by the Romans some 500 years before the birth of Muhammed

Source: wikipedia

secondly, the Palestinian Jews accept Jews in diaspora as brothers and you are not the one to decide who the Palestinian Jews accept as citizens. They've never segregated amongst themselves
one more, Israel has never fought an offensive war in modern history, you can make your research, they are always fighting to defend themselves from attacks from the Arabs. So it's the Arabs who are the wicked souls as they never stop war even amongst themselves and it took USA for peace to exist in Mecca; Yemen would have wiped them out. And also Kuwait, UAE, and other peaceful Arab countries buy the Jews never fought themselves
God doesn't do partial. Whoever doesn't accept christ for remission of sin will die in Hell including the Jews

Jesus didn't write any book it was is disciples that wrote books. So if you are looking for what Jesus wrote you'd never find it. It's ahistorical. The disciples accepted Paul, the early church fathers accepted him, Christians generally accept him. Early muslims scholars and historians like Ibn Kathir and Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Hisham, Al-Tabari etc all confirmed that Paul was sent by Allah

forget about the bible can you tell me any historical writing or any historical figure that make claim that the Jews are not the owner of Palestine?!. If you would argue, argue with fact stop crying like a cry baby

I swear to God you are either very dumb or you are playing stupid but I sincerely think you are very dumb. Honestly I do not like insulting people on social media and I have condemned others for it but your case is beyond redemption. You gave two prophecies one from the Book of Mark and another from the book of Daniel and my responses were very clear to each, but it appears your brain find it too much to process. Go back and read my responses, I told you that what you were quoting from the book of Mark was supposed to have happened in the generation of Jesus


" As for the Prophecy of Daniel you have quoted how does that transl;ate to a future event. Most Bible commentaries have placed this event in the past. In 457 B.C., in the seventh year of his reign, King Artaxerxes issued a decree giving Ezra permission to return to Jerusalem to complete the efforts to rebuild the city (Ezra 7:6-10; Ezra 9:9)"

This was my separate responses to the two prophecies you have quoted but you dull brain was not able to distinguish the two as separate and you just decided to bunch them together. I am really and sincerely sorry for you, please comment on social media if only you have the mental capacity to make sensible observations. Waaoh of all the dumb people I have being ion contact with on this Nairaland , your dumbness is top notch

smokinloud:
Stop drinking camel urine ser. You said the prophecy of Daniel was fulfilled in 457BC yet you made mention that Jesus said it shall be fulfilled in his generation. Did Jesus live in 457 BC?!. Provide evidence that Jesus lived at the time of Artaxerxe in 457 BC. You are just too dulll. Jesus that lived as a human in the antiquity period( around 4BC-33AD precisely). Mumu boy

you have to pick one, did the prophecy get fulfilled before Jesus was born(457BC) or during the generation of Jesus?!.

I see you know nothing. Na to do copy and paste full your head. I blame myself for engaging you sef. Ibn mutah

The same man who said confidently that Atiku was going to win....

There is really not a lot one can say to folks who believe that God can bless someone who fraudulently obtained his fathers blessing. Only inn the Bible would you read of ridiculous events like that....Jacob, the forebearer of the Israelites actually connived with his mother to fraudulently obtain the blessing that his father meant for his brother and that is even after he had conned his brother out of his birthright. This shady person is the one that was blessed by your God despite all this detestable act and whose offspring your God has "chosen" as his special people. Only the God in the Bible can do that and yet we blame Yahoo boys for obtaining by deceit?
Why should one be surprised about any of this anyway, is it not the same God of the Bible that "REGRETTED and was PAINED" for creating man, the same God that RESTED AND REFRESH after the 'hard work' of creation,

smokinloud:
Sure that's the only main prophecy of the bible that has not been fulfilled but there are steps to its fulfilment;

Romans 11:25-29
[25]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
[28]As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
[29]For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

it's because of their unbelief that gave me and other gentiles the privilege of being saved because the moment the Jews accept their messiah and call upon him he will come to rescue them, he'll descend on mount Oliveth and the Jews and the saved Gentiles will reign with him. If the jews had accepted Jesus 2000 years ago the world would have ended and I might not have the privilege of getting saved...

Romans 11:30-32
[30]For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
[31]Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
[32]For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Jesus himself told them that they'll be invaded and humiliated but God will gather them and until they accept him as the messiah he will not come back

Luke 13:35
[35]Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The prophecy of Zechariah says that Israelites will look at the cross, God being crucified, and mourn in repentance

Zechariah 12:10
[10]And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.


And the prophet Isaiah prophesied that the Jews,not the gentiles, will call him Immanuel which means 'God with us'. They've not called him Immanuel yet

Isaiah 7:14
[14]Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Lots of prophets prophesied about it in the bible like Daniel, Moses etc...

the mistake the Jews are making is that they expect him to execute his full messianic duty before they believe but they have to believe in him before he can perform his full messianic duty. They are putting the cart before the horse

Cc Baatunde fooooolish camel urine drinker.

Whoever doesn't accept the messiah whether Jew or non-Jew will perish in Hell.
Jesus didn't come to bring religion. He brought salvation to the Jews first then to the world. So the name Christianity is useless. Jesus is only concerned about his church which include the Jews as long as they accept his messiahship.

Matthew 16:18-19
[18]And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
[19]And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Who gave you your certificate of theology because you need to return it to them, you said Al Aqsa is the abomination prophesied in Mark 13, now read verse 30

30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Can you see how you have failed? all that Jesus was supposed to be talking about should have happened in his GENERATION

As for the Prophecy of Daniel you have quoted how does that transl;ate to a future event. Most Bible commentaries have placed this event in the past. In 457 B.C., in the seventh year of his reign, King Artaxerxes issued a decree giving Ezra permission to return to Jerusalem to complete the efforts to rebuild the city (Ezra 7:6-10; Ezra 9:9).

I shall not waste too much time with you because even the Bible you read you don't understand it, you try and juxtapose past events with current and future happenings.

smokinloud:
And until the Jews generally call upon their messiah to come and help them Jesus will not come.
Luke 13:34-35
[34]O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
[35]Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Jesus made prophecy of the destruction of the second temple

Mark 13:1-3
[1]And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[2]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[3]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

Jesus prophesied about the building of Al-aqsa mosque, an abomination on the holiest temple of God

Mark 13:14
[14]But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:


Al-aqsa mosque is the abomination. Mosque built on the holiest of holy temple

Daniel 9:25-27
[25]Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26]And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27]And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
[3]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Baba Adeboye understands every of these prophecies that's why he's so passionate about Israel.

How can you read when you lack basic comprehension..... how you wan take understand, Olodo!

smokinloud:
go and drink your camel urine.

I try to avoid insults and that's why I have said you are the ignorant one but perhaps I should have called you the FOOL that you really are Uncle. Who is actually contradicting himself here now! I am talking about present time and this current crop of Zionist Jews who have refused to believe in your Messiah and I have asked you a simple question... what is the status of this current crop of Zionist Jews with your God are they still favoured or not and if they die today without believing in your messiah what is their fate and you are talking about a covenant to be fulfilled in the future, when the Jews would be redeemed. What happens to them now Uncle, are they favoured even now or not? It appears you have yourself agreed that the present day Jews whom you so much love and call " Your brothers" might be heading for hell fire since they have not accepted your Christ and that is the whole point of this argument. Lets not even talk about the books of fiction you attribute to God because the Book of Romans you are quoting was written by Paul the impostors who was rightly beheaded as the false prophet he was, and these are not the words of Jesus.

In summary, only you lots blinded by reality failed to see anything wrong in the actions of the Zionists because you said they are favoured and so they can do whatever they like. The remaining sane people in the whole world including Europe and America have marched in multitudes of protests in support of the Palestinian people NOT in support of Islam because this aggression, land usurpation and oppression of a free people in this modern day cannot be justified by the fictional words of a racist and vengeful God who authorised his "chosen people" to murder and massacre other people to take their land when he could have just provided them a brand new virgin land

smokinloud:
why acting like a foooool?!. Why quoting the covenant that YHWH was so concerned about Israel for me to tackle my point that God has Israel in his messianic mission?!. Ain't you a foooool contradicting himself?!.
Whoever accept Jesus is saved whether Jews or non-Jews but a time is coming when the Jews will generally accept christ as the messiah when the time of the gentiles has come to fulness

Romans 11:25-27
[25]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The covenant is what we Christians preach which is the blood of Jesus to save sinners to God and make us EQUAL with God

Uncle you are the ignorant one sir I only wish people would do a bit more research about these issues before commenting. Bethlehem is in West Bank and part of the current Palestinian territory and yes we have seen videos of the Christian Communities there cancelling Xmas because of the current situation in Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/13/christians-are-in-danger-under-israeli-government-says-holy-land-patriarch#:~:text=The[i][/i]

Christians would never let us rest about how if we fail to accept Jesus as the Messiah we are doomed but surprisingly they are happy to make exceptions for the Jews who have rejected Jesus and still continue to reject him till today. That explains why Baba Adeboye called the Israelis "our brothers" and here you are also telling us of a so-called Prophecy that Jews would eventually accept Jesus as the Messiah, can you give the reference for your prophecy? And even then my only question for you is " what happens to a Jew who died today rejecting Jesus as the messiah?

You people should make up your minds are Jews (who reject Jesus as the Messiah) your brothers and are they going to paradise or not? If you people know anything about the BIble you carry around , you will know that all the initial favoritism and promises to the Jews by your God has been nullified when He supposedly said

“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,[b]”
declares the Lord. (Jer 31:31-32)

This new covenant is the one you should be talking to us about and may we demand to know where this new covenant is and what is its content?

smokinloud:
Wake up and smell the coffee. Enough of your hangover.

You have nothing in your coconut head than to just spew rubbish on public forum.

Bethelem and Gaza were part of Israel and Christmas is not cancelled in Israel.

Nobody is dragging your fooooolishness with you on believing that Yahweh is Allah.

Messianic Jews are Christians and I have a friend who's one.

Who am I to take revenge when my lord had forgiven them for their ignorance?!.
Maybe you don't know that the only prophecy that is yet to be fulfilled in the bible is the Jews accepting Jesus as their messiah and that's the cause of the delay of christ's second coming and without them staying on their ancestral land and destroying the Al-aqsa mosque, to build the temple of Solomon the third time,the prophecy will not be fulfilled and Christ will not come.

Stop advertising your ignorance on public forum. Camel urine drinking abdul

In case you missed it check out this thread on Nairaland

https://www.nairaland.com/7943654/lose-soldier-every-5-minutes.

Every sensible Israeli knows this war cannot continue for ever and Netanyahu is only grandstanding to cover up for the failure of the almighty IDF and MOSSAD to forestall the Hamas attack and the reported evidences that some of the Israeli victims of October 7 might have been killed by the IDF also in error.

https://electronicintifada.net/content/evidence-israel-killed-its-own-citizens-7-october/41156


Netanyahu might be blowing hot and cold on social media but he is definitely not the most popular man in Israel now. Only naive ass-lickers would think that a whole people can be wiped out just like that in this modern day. If the horrid holocaust of 6 million Jews did not manage to achieve Hitler's FINAL SOLUTION to eradicate the Israelis, why would anyone with a bit of common sense think the same can be achieved even now by Israel or anyone else for that matter. I can recollect some of those ass-lickers here on Nairaland promising that in just ONE WEEK the IDF would have wiped out the whole of Gaza........

You do realize the Canaanites, Amorites and co were settled on the land and living there for centuries before the Jews? In case you have forgotten here is a reminder from your Bible

“When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are greater and more numerous than you and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy" ( Deut 7:1-2).

You do also realize that the Jews have been expelled so many times from the land and before the turn of the 20th century they have not lived on that land for more than a millenia? Maybe you should learn you history first before making ridiculous statement. The Jew's historical claim on the land is nothing more than the fake word of a racist God who supposedly promised their forefathers the lands of other people. That is not how land ownership is determined in modern day bro. During all the times the Muslims occupied Palestine they never maltreated the Jews and in fact when Catholic Europe expelled Jews on March 31, 1492, the Muslim Ottomans and the Islamic Moors granted them automatic asylum, go and read more of history to be more enlightened.

Just being curious here, what do you think would be the response of the United States of America if certain Native Indians from Mexico, Bolivia, Peru gather together now and say it was prophesied in their ancient books (some of which are older than your Bible by the way) that they will retake their lands from those who forcefully took it in the first place. Lets say this Native Indian Confederate now wrote to the USA to cede control of Texas and California (for a start) because historically it used to be theirs.... tell me how would the almighty US react to that?


As for killing their own accidentally, you just sit in the comfort of your room and be defending the indefensible. If only you know the ruckus this has caused in Israel you wont be giving this over-flogged and ineffectual line of reasoning. By your admission you are saying the only way to confirm the validity of genuine prisoners of war is to KILL THEM FIRST and confirm later

Crafteck1:
You realize jews were there before Arabs right?before Islam started,before mohammed and co went around taking lands...you also realize to survive terrorists who proudly sacrifice their people you have to be ruthless and take no risk...now picture yourself behind enemy lines looking for kidnapped victims....that are heavily guarded then seeing 2 people acting like victims...would you assume they just escaped or that your enemies are trying to lure you in.....

Just to double check whether you read the story before commenting, these guys were shirtless to show they were not concealing anything, they were waving a white flag which is understood in any language to mean surrender and finally they were trying to get the attention of the soldiers by speaking in Hebrews and yet you are still trying to justify this atrocity. Perhaps the so called "God of Israel" went to a brief slumber when this happened.

This incident as well as the other one where they killed another man actually fighting off terrorists is a clear indication of the policies of the Zionists.... " take no prisoner" perhaps inspired by their vengeful God in their book when he supposedly said

“When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are greater and more numerous than you and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy[i][/i]" ( Deut 7:1-2).

It is therefore easy to see where their inspiration to kill indiscriminately came from, it was the same with their ancestors when they were forcefully given other people's land by their racist God

Crafteck1:
You are talking about terrorists wey go feign surrendering while detonating body bomb when they are close, if you are a soldier, would your risk it with terrorists?

Why do you people have it embedded in your brains that this is a Muslim war against whomever. For the benefit of doubt, how many protests marches have you seen in Saudi Arabia or UAE or Qatar and other major Arab-Muslim countries compared to the thousands of marches in the western world mostly filled with people of conscience and majority of whom are not even muslims. It is only you Christian Israeli ass-lickers that see nothing wrong in the evil of Israel's actions in Palestine at present and for decades before October 7. Every sensible human being have roundly condemn ed the actions of Hamas as there has never been justifications for targeting innocent non-combatant civilians under any sensible ideology, except of course in your Christian Bible sha, where your racist God sanctioned the killing of children and pregnant women.

Hosea 13:16 (New Living Translation) - The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God . They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." We need not look further for the source of inspiration of the Israel indiscriminate killing of everyone in Gaza, be they combatant or non-combatant.

Not everyone that sympathises with the Palestinians is a supporter of Hamas as the Zionist regime in Israel has been brainwashing you lots because you cannot condemn Hamas for terrorism and condone the Zionists for decades of mass killing, war crimes, continuous contravention of international laws, inhumane treatment of the Palestinians, illegal occupation and stealing of other people's land in the name of a vengeful and racist God having promised them then land four millennia ago. From day one, the agenda of the Zionist has been clear and not hidden, the complete eradication of the Palestinians from the whole Palestine region and is why they have kept refusing the option of two-state solution and please dont come and tell me the Palestinians too do not want that option because yes on both sides are extremists but Israel has deliberately failed to engage with the moderates so they can keep giving excuses for continuing to steal more lands .

I only have one advice for you ass-lickers, if anyone thinks this issue is going to be resolved by the continuous annihilation of the people of Gaza and West Bank then you must be deluded.I remember one sadist joker here on Nairaland saying he only gave Israel ONE WEEK to clear the whole of Gaza, it has now been how many weeks? Even Israelis are marching in thousands demanding an end to this war because of a Yoruba proverb... " adiye ba lokun......." The hen has perched on the stretched string, neither the hen, nor the string will remain comfortable

FreedomArmy:
Muslims eh. You all love to sit in one corner and fabricate stories just to make yourselves happy. To start with the so called dead from Gaza are nothing but fabrication of Hamas run ministry of health and secondly Hamas are receiving it wotowoto and some have even surrendered to Israel soldiers.

I wonder how useless post as like this one manages to get to the front... this is clearly the racist opinion of a nobody who just want to diminish the achievement of the poor guy!

Wishing death on all sympathizers of the Palestinian cause means you will have to kill a lot of people including all those who have come out in their hundreds of thousands in protests against Israel all over the world, including moderate and religious Israelis who have never identified with the Zionist agenda in Israel.

On a different note, if you think Hamas is the only terrorist organization involved in this saga since the creation of the state of Israel, then I would leave it to you to go and read about the groups called Hagannah and Irgun and come back and tell us if they were freedom fighters or terrorists.
If only people would try to read what is available to them in history and remove from their brains the idea that this is a religious war perhaps things would become clearer to them. What would you call the events of the "Nakba" as perpetrated by the Israelis,,, is it terrorism or what?

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When a Turkish MP supposedly collapsed of heart attack after attacking Israel and later died, the Israeli ass-lickers said it was a swift retribution from the "God of Israel" for opposing his people, but now that Israelis have started murdering themselves n ko, how shall we caption that? Mind you it is not the first time the overzealous IDF have killed one of their own in recent time.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/father-of-man-killed-after-taking-out-terrorists-decries-silence-from-officials/

Read my response to your fellow ignoramus below and try to read widely so you will understand what is going on in the world

https://www.timesofisrael.com/religion-has-outsized-role-in-israel-yet-most-of-its-jews-arent-really-observant/ This is TImes of Israel not Punch of Nigeria, read and find out how many Israelis considered themselves secular amongst whom are those who are complete Atheists

Yes indeed Israel is the friend of Christians, read the following form The Guardian of UK not Guardiannews Ngr and find out what is correct
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/13/christians-are-in-danger-under-israeli-government-says-holy-land-patriarch#:~:text=The%20Vatican%2Dappointed%20Latin%20Patriarch,property%20at%20a%20quickening%20pace.


Do Jews believe in Jesus? What a question! Anyone with a little bit of scholarly learning know that the Jews don't give a toss about Jesus ad you Christians have repeatedly throw it in the face of everyone else that whoever disbelieve inn Jesus is facing eternal damnation but when it comes to your Jewish pals stealing other people's land then and rejecting your Messiah, then your "God" has made an exception for them. They can have it both ways and remain favoured, what a pathetic doctrine

https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/videos/six-reasons-why-jews-don-t-believe-in-jesus

It appears you BIble thumpers have forgotten that your God has discarded the original covenant with the Israelis in favour of another one

“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them,”
declares the Lord. (Jer 31:31-32)

O ga o! Your ignorance knows no bound. Your hatred for others is just blinding you to facts, did your MEssiah not even advice you to Love your enemies.....?

mpire:
The tears of Abdool

I'm still trying to figure out how you clowns keep repeating the same crap, Jews don't believe in Jesus, Jews don't like Christians, blah blah blah or whatever crap to make your miserable lives feel better. You attacked innocent people now time to pay the consequence.

I suggest you call upon your pedophile Muhammed or useless allah toc9me and deliver you from the hands of Israe

Death to all terrorists and their sympathizers. Feel free to strap yourself with a bomb and go Gaza.

I can confirm properly that you are truly ignorant, BIble is not the oldest religious book in the world and is not even the oldest printed book in the world. The Hindus scriptures of Rigveda and the others predates the earliest book of the Old Testament Bible by more almost five centuries.

Why dont you show me from your BIble who was the original owner of the land instead of just making the claim. Since I know you are ignorant let me educate you from your BIble. Go back and read your Bible very well, when your racist God promised Abraham and his offsprings the so called land in Canaan, was it an empty land? For your information, there were already the Canaanites and Amalekites and other minor tribes living on the land before you vengeful and racist God asked them to be genocidally cleansed to make way for his "people" ( as if the Cannanites were created by another God


And you want to talk about terrorism, that's fine ? lets go


1. the people who massacred 6 million Jews were Christians

2. those who forcefully took over the lands of the Native Indians in the American continent massacring many of them and putting the rest into forced detention in RESERVATION CAMPS ( not unlike what is being done to the Palestinians) were Christians, your PIlgrim Fathers

3. the worst atrocities of any colonial era in Congo was perpetrated by the Belgians under King Leopold and they were Christians, and what about the French in Tunisia, they were also Christians

4. what about the terrors and death due to the apartheid of the mainly White Dutch and Christian oppressors in South Africa, that also stands there with the atrocities of a people who were Christians and surely we can label that Christian terrorism.

5. Not to talk about the multitude of terrorism instigated by the 'God' of the Bible against "unclean Gentiles" which the Christians claim were inspired?

" At the seventh time Joshua said, Shout — To testify your faith in God’s promise, and thankfulness for this glorious mercy; to encourage yourselves and brethren, and to strike a terror into your enemies. The Lord hath given you the city — It is given to you to be devoted to God, as the first (and perhaps the worst) of all the cities of Canaan" (Joshua 6:16)

- The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God . They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." Hosea 13:16 (New Living Translation)

"But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me. " (Luke 19:27)

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).

Go and read about the TERRORS of the Nakba carried out by the Israelis when they forcefully ejected almost 700,000 Palestinians from their home, and tell us who is a Terrorist? Go and find out who are the Hagannah Terrorist and come and tell me if they were muslims, what about the Polisario Liberation Front, The Lord Resistance Army in Uganda, what about Charles Taylor's NPFL or the break away group of Yormie Johnson, were they terrorists or freedom fighter and were they Muslims, what about all the drug cartels and their terror groups of South America, are they all Muslims? Go and read about the Khalistan Groups of Sikh militants in India and thier being labelled as terrorists, were they Muslims, how about Tamil Tiger that assassinated Rajiv Ghandi and the first recorded case of suicide bombing in modern history. Have you heard of a group called uMkhonto we Sizwe ? that was the militant arm of Mandela's ANC and they were also labelled terrorist back in the days. What of the Hutu Militia called Interhamwe and their role in the Rwandan genocide, were they terrorists and were they Muslims? And to add to it are your IPOB Brothers recently designated among the 20 DEADLIEST terror group in the world and yet they are definitely not Muslims

And finally Apostle Anti_Islam, if Matthew 21:43 did not refer to the Jews can you explain who it referred to?







If as a sane person don't support Israel 🇮🇱, should I send my support to your terrorists brothers in Hamas and Islam at large?

To know the original owner of the said land, read the Bible the oldest book in the world, there you'll get your facts right and don't depend on the propaganda your Alfas, imams, etc are telling you in mosque

If you want to practice your taqqiya, be mindful of whom you will try that shit with. Who are the Israelites that doesn't believe in God the Jehovah, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

Are Israelis beheading and killing the Christians as you're known for in Islam the religion of Muhammad?

Continue crying till eternity I don't care slave. So where is it written in the Bible that the kingdom will be taken away from the Jews? Shey if you guys don't lie for allah will you die?

Matthew 21:43-46... "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. 44 And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust." 45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them. 46 When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet.[/quote]