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Wait until when? You know the whole process up to the Supreme Court can take up to two years? I So who will be in charge for that two years I ask you and will that be deducted from the over four years or added to it when the case is finally concluded? In law, the statues quo is maintained until proven otherwise and that is the principle of innocent until proven guilty. NO system is ever perfect, you just have to go with the least problematic option blaise26abj: |
What has your statement to do with what the guy said. People can exhibit ignorance irrespective of whether they support TInubu or Obi. Is it not lack of understanding amongst you Obi supporters that made you to be shouting 25% of FCT, does it even make sense to you too? Is it not lack of understanding that makes Obidients believe that Obi will be declared the winner when he has not proved how he scored more votes than Atiku and TInubu? enemybulldozer: |
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It is definitely not frivolous, especially considering all the technicalities that have been thrown up, I suspect however that judgement has been delayed this long deliberately to make it look serious. In any case , Peter Obi having once been a beneficiary of the judiciary has strongly maintained from the beginning that he has confidence in the judiciary, why the panic now? blaise26abj: |
Interesting thread. It’s appears most people are just giving their opinions based on their own personal expectations and not necessarily what transpired at the Tribunal. If I may ask those who think it should be a re-run to please give a simple analysis of how the tribunal should/would arrive at this decision. For those who think Obi would be declared the winner, kindly give us your own simple analysis also, how that decision would be arrived at, bear in mind that Obi’s petition is against Tinubu and not Atiku. I am asking this because this is the most illogical of all the expected outcome. For the reason that it is 1. either Obi is asking the whole election be nullified and a complete rerun be ordered between all candidates (after disqualifying Tinubu maybe), A rerun would have to be with all other candidates present, because the election that returned people as 1st, 2nd or 3rd would have been completely nullified, 2.or Obi is saying even with this election as it is, he should be declared the winner because he got more lawful votes that both all other candidates including TInubu and ATIKU. Of which I have failed to see at anytime during the PEPT proceedings where Lawyers for Obi have either propound this argument or even attempted to prove it |
Who are those 57 people liking this your post, because it appears they did not understand what you wrote. IF Fashola had waited two or three days to respond would you same people not say he must be guilty, why hasn’t he spoken out immediately? How long would have been the best period of wait for him to respond. If that was you falsely accused of something like this, what would have been your response? It looks like people just want to post for the sake of posting, is it not obvious to you that getting the guy arrested is the only way to clear his name, at least let the ‘young’ man explain the source of the accusation he has made. Malroux: |
Your opinion, your choice... good luck with them! InvertedHammer: |
Yes, I quite agree with you, Abacha doesn’t bother to arrest or imprison all those who criticised him, he simply sends Sgt Roger and Co to assassinate them. You however missed the part where Tinubu and other main NADECO advocates had to escape through Cotonou and seek asylum mostly in the US in order to run away from Abacha’s death squad. Don’t forget IBB and Dele Giwa. Let us however do a simple analysis and limit it to just journalists for now excluding human right activists. Nduka Irabor and Tunde Thompson_ detained without charges for 8 months under Buhari/Idiagbon Ray Ekpu, Yakubu Mohammed and Dan Agbese all arrested and charged for sedition for writing an article against Abacha, their charges were later dropped. George Mbah (TELL), Chris Anyanwu (Sunday Magazine), Ben Charles Obi (Classique Weekly) and Kunle Ajibade (The News)- all four arrested tried in secret with no representation and all sentenced to 15 years in prison_ for expressing doubt about the phantom coup plot supposedly uncovered by Al Mustapha. Osa Director_ arrested and detained in 1995 for 34 days and arraigned in court in shackles meant to dehumanise Nosa Igiebor (TELL)- arrested and detained in solitary confinements in 1995 for six months without trial with the confiscation of 100,00 copies of Tell. His lawyer attempted to sue the government and he himself was arrested and detained without charges. Godwin Agbroko- arrested and detained for five months before being released when he won an international award. Soji Omotunde (Concord) arrested and detained for over four months Niran Malaolu- arrested for alleged involvement in a coup plot, sentenced to life but reduced to 15 years- lost part of his sight in detention. Onome Osifo-Whiskey- detained for 173 days without any due process being followed or formally charged. Babafemi Ojudu (The News) arrested and detained for 8 months with no trials or access to lawyers Alex Ibru (Guardian) – survived assassination attack from Abach’s death squad Dele Giwa _ assassinated with a parcel bomb under IBB. Let me stop at these because there are more victims of unlawful detention and torture under the military, with some losing their livelihood, some lost their lives and for some their health and well being were seriously damaged by their incarceration. Now please do the same for all the names you have listed here so we can compare their ordeal with the ones above. Have you even heard of something called Decree 2 of 1984? Go and read about it and tell me whether this is something that would fly under even the worse civilian regime. Not bragging, but I think I am old enough to remember the brutal days of serious press repression under the military and even if similar stuffs had happened under civilian rules (like some said it did under Obasanjo), you still can not equate it with that of the military. I am glad however that we both agree that military coup is not the answer to the inadequacies of our democracy under civilians. InvertedHammer: |
I didn't get it...explain further. How did IBB/Abacha got to know of those who were criticizing them, and you are trying to imply that someone could criticise the military and they don't get to hear about it, then that someone must have been doing their talks in the corner of their bedroom. Even in those days . all perceived 'militant' groups like the Student and Labour Unions were usually infiltrated by government spies which was the norm of military regimes. The state security apparatuses were used much more brutally inmilitary times. See the case of Emefiele, DSS wanted to arrest him long ago, but Buhari was shielding him, will that happen with the khaki boys?, who is that DSS Director that dares go against the will of the Military Head of State? You are still talking of freedom of speech, please give us the names of people who have been picked up by DSS as you claimed. Even the Gringories openly and covertly calling for 'religious' war and the Area Fadas inciting youth to cause disorder and 'revolution' are still walking free and you think this would happen with a military regime? Come on! InvertedHammer: |
Rational thinker! Go and read my posts on other threads. I have always maintained that our political system or brand of democracy is flawed and I have cited examples of hereditary monarchies that appears to be working for the Arabs in the Gulf States, so in case you don't know my position on our current political system , there you have it I totally agree that it is not adequate and appears not to be working well for us. Nevertheless, cutting off a head is not the panacea to a severe headache. No system of governance anyhwere is perfect and a civilian regime with all its flaw is still preferred to a military regime. And that probably explains why people like Jerry Rawlings, Ghaddafi and even Saddam Hussein who seized power as military men had to transform into civilian in order to make meaningful impact. So back to the original issue which I still maintain that a lot of those who are asking for military intervention in Nigeria would not do so if their person had won the election, because Nigeria has been in a poor state for at least the tenure of Buhari and no one was asking the military to intervene, now someone is barely three months in power and even before he was sworn in they were carrying placards to Defence Headquarters asking military to intervene. Even to a blind person who is not deaf, it is very clear their agitation was politically motivated. As to whether there was social media during the previous military regime or not, I think you should ask the families of Kudirat Abiola, Alfred Rewane,Colonel Odeleke and Dele Giwa to mention a few, or all the other NADECO officers whether they were on Twitter of Facebook before they were marked for assassination. Here you are able to call the current President all sorts of unprintable names and even have the audacity to try subtle intimidation of the Judiciary and you say there is no freedom of speech under civilians. Why not read the memoirs of Gani Fawehinmi, Fela Anikulapo, Femi Falana etc so you ll know what freedom of speech was like under the military InvertedHammer: |
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Bros you should by now be able to spot a perpetual wailer instantly, these are the people who call themselves Obi...something. The bitterness still they their belle we can only continue to pray it does not kill them from inside. You can see the tone of his message "the bastards that voted Tinubu..." na exactly wetin dey pain am be that. Why insult and call people names because they didnt vote your "messiah". Is it no longer a free world ni? Guess what , if Evans the kidnapper were to be released today and he entered politics, him go get votes....na so he dey happen dappydozzy: |
I agree with you about term limits, who cares how long you have bee there as long as you are delivering. This was the case in Libya until the western world started whispering into the ears of the Libyans that Ghadafi has stayed too long and should be removed, Now they have got rid of him what is the state of Libya? Although no one system is PERFECT, but in the core Arab world, hereditary monarchy appears to be working for them The same western world that are shouting democracy on the top of their voices are the ones propping up the likes of Bongo and Biya despite being obvious that those guys were forcing themselves on the people worksmart: |
Stop lying, You lots are hypocrites, if Obi had been elected and is 'messing' up after only three months you will make excuse for him and tell us how bad Nigeria was before he took over blah blah blah! and how we need to give him time to perform and you definitely would not be asking for military to take over franchasofficia: |
Mention a few of those things built by the military, anyways I wish you well with your desire for return to military rule. All I know is that a lot of those asking for military intervention are just camouflaging their intent and wont be doing so if their person has been elected InvertedHammer: |
It is obvious that you romanticise a military regime most probably because you have not witnessed one. Go and read about someone called Ken Saro Wiwa and come and tell me whether what happened to him can happen in a civilian regime. Here you are on social media able to blast a sitting president and call him names, are you able to try that with the khaki boys?How do you imagine the appointed Military Administrators and their cohorts behaved during military rule, like paupers or like saint? Massive corruptions that is perpetuated in military regime do not come to the surface because who is going to bring them up, who has the gut? Do you know how many sitting governors, legislators have been removed by the court or impeachments, I don’t know which state you come from ,but in most states of Nigeria, the fear of impeachment is the beginning of wisdom for most state governors. Who dares talk about removing a Military Administrator for non-performance. AbdulSalaam did not steal or we ignored it because he restored democracy . It appears you know very little about military regimes ,so I will rest here for now! For all the inadequacies of civilian rule, it is still better than the military, so be careful of what you wish for. And for your information, I was actually sitting down when i wrote this ![]() asanausana91: |
Just dey look them, they come online and shoot off their mouths anyhow, but they go soon start to shout victimisation when security forces eventually gbab dem proper. These are the same people asking for military coup in Nigeria. Can they open mouth anyhow to talk against a military ruler like this... go and ask Abacha's victims in their graves Omoawoke2: |
I dont know where you got the idea that lifestyle was cheaper under military because I am old enough to remember the period of SAP and austerity measures under the military Of no doubt the most corrupt regimes in the history of Nigeria are both IBB and Abacha. Military built 3 refineries and Abuja , congratulations, how many other infrastructural facilities were built under the military, power plants, airports, manufacturing industries, roads, rural electrification, free education, etc And you probably weren't old enough under the Abacha regime to witness the evils of military rules at its peak, with roving death squads to eliminate vocal critics whilst the police, SSS and the Judiciary remain impotent to do anything. Many independent scholarly articles are available comparing the military and civilian regimes in Nigeria in terms of economic developments and they tell a story different to yours asanausana91: |
Is it not generally agreed that the most corrupt regime ever in Nigeria was that of IBB? Join to that the Abacha regime with this roving death squads and toothless judiciary and yet here we are still debating why military must come back. Take the case of Lagos state as an example we have had Oyhinlola, Marwa and Raji Rasaki as military governors after Jakande and before Tinubu. In this intervening period can you compare and contrast the achievements of these three military men with the civilians towards the development of the Lagos state we see today? InvertedHammer: |
What surprises me about all the comments in favour of coup everywhere is that the I am yet to see a protagonist of coups ever asking for coup or shall we say IMPEACHMENT against their state governors who have more direct impact on the quality of their lives than the central government. Many commentators in the past have raised this point that we seem to overconcentrate on the Federal government thus driving the focus away from the other tiers of government whose performance have been horrific to say the least. When are we going to start holding our governors and elected lawmakers accountable for the stuffs within their jurisdiction of which they are failing to deliver? Which stupid revolution are they shouting about with military boys taking advantage of the apparent inadequacies of politicians when in reality the khaki boys themselves have NEVER proved to be better. IF khaki is good for ruling why did the likes of Ghadafi and Rawlings have to transition to civilians after seizing power in the uniform? Whether we like it or not and despite their inadequacies, civilian government are still closer to the people and are accountable whilst the khaki boys have no one they account to keymatt: |
And also make sure you vote a candidate whose past achievements in leadership are easily visible and verifiable and not one being promoted via empty noise making, you need to do your homework properly in this regards to penetrate the veneer of competence being presented for all candidates . Make sure also your candidate is sparkly clean when it comes to integrity &corruption and has not been named in any controversial issue like hiding money in offshore tax havens favoured by criminals, is proved to be open in all his policies and avoiding conflict of interest by not investing public money in his care in family business or linked to stolen government money in anyway by association with corrupt aides and assistants, Ensure also that your preferred candidates is acceptable to all sections of Nigeria and not a religious bigot trying to ride on religious and tribal sentiments to the presidency. Finally try to assess the proficiency of your candidate in economic matters and make sure they are well grounded in the basic economics required and not one just trying to impress with useless facts and data. I think you would have done your bit for Nigeria if you can try these in addition to the requirements you have stated Solsix: |
Which postulation bro? I am an observer in your original argument and I think anyone rooting for military rules SHOULD be the one to provide evidences to support why they are better, surely you must have examples you can cite. You see, by general agreement of the civilized world, civilian rule should be the norm, whether democracy, monarchy, or all the other .'...cracies'. You do have a different opinion to the accepted norm and think military rule is better and I have simply asked you to prove to us why that is so.... Demolakay: |
So you finally agree Tinubu was ELECTED.... at least that's somewhere to start PHIPEX: |
BIya is an example of what is wrong with 'democracy' as we have it in Africa. Note that Cameroon previously had a clause limiting presidents to two terms before Biya manipulated their legislature to cancel that clause. He had survived a coup in 1984 and a riot in 2008 which ended in bloody massacres carried out by the same military we will be looking up to to make things right. At the moment it will appear that Cameroonians are resigned to fate and have no willpower left to wrestle with Paul BIya ably supported by the hypocritical France who touts democracy everywhere and yet props up dictator regimes that do its bidding |
Since you are supporting military rule I think you should be the one to supply the evidences of countries taken over by military that have been made better, perhaps we can then agree with you that military rule is better Demolakay: |
Can you please explain what is meant by loyalty to your country…..is that loyalty excluding constituted authorities? How are soldiers supposed to be loyal to the country in the case you mentioned, that of Uk, and disloyal to the Queen or PM. Break it down for us please……allegiance and loyalty are two words you have flaunted around here, are you able to explain the difference to us? Racoon: |
As loyal as you are to NIgeria, I hope you will gather all your family members and be at the forefront of the ‘hell’ that you want to let loose on NIgeria. You people anticipate failure at the PEPT and you think threatening fire and brimstone will change anything . The coup you people are praying for can never favour you in any way, but you already know that, anything but Tinubu is your mantra Creativity22: |
I hope you are personally leading the protest, dont just be forming on social media, put your words into action. infofta: |
You still dey on this your ALL EYES ON THE JUDICIARY rubbish. When your fake ‘Men of God’ were misleading the faithfuls with fake prophecies you never thought of ALL EYES ON THE CLERGY. We know you people never wish well for NIgeria , all you want is to get the Presidcency at all cost and if not make we kuku destroy everything. Na today military start taking over in Africa? Even then which of the military regimes have ever outperformed the civilians they sent packing, tell us anyone of those you know. I do not support the stupid idea of hereditary presidency or presidency for life , nevertheless, military coup is not the answer. For your information, the same military that are taking over in Gabon just now have been the ones propping up the Bongo family for years and it is the same for most other dictators. OBIDIENTNAIJA: |
In your dream, you and your cohorts prayer of “ if we can’t have it lets destroy it” will not work for Nigeria LagosPrince: |
I do not think these ones in the newslink below are Fulani herdsmen , so a rapist is a rapist and no need to vilify any tribe for this https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/610423-another-teenager-gang-raped-in-anambra.html Another teenager gang-raped in Anambra The incident happened a few days after six men in the state raped a 19-year-old girl. ByChinagorom Ugwu July 18, 2023 Reading Time: 2 mins read 0 Three men have allegedly gang raped a 15-year-old girl in Abagana, a community in Njikoka Local Government Area of Anambra State, Nigeria’s South-east. The police spokesperson in the state, Tochukwu Ikenga, disclosed this in a statement on Monday. Mr Ikenga, a deputy superintendent of police, said police operatives arrested the suspects on 8 July during a routine patrol with some vigilante operatives in the community. He gave the suspects’ names as Chimezie Odugwu, 21, Nnamdi Anodebe, 19, and Jude Onua, 48. The police spokesperson said the suspects confessed that two of them, Messrs Odugwu and Anodebe —- collaborated to lure the victim to their house when they found her wandering at a junction in the community and subsequently raped her. |
You have such example of resignation to share with us? TreasuredGlory: |

