I beg to disagree, what about the hundreds of VERSIONS of the Bible which abound today with substantial textual differences and some times complete verses missing/removed altogether. I can provide you with up to twenty chapters in the NRSV , RSV , NWT, NT _Anmerican Version to mention a few where certain verses in the KJV have been discarded because they were not found in the most ancient manuscripts older than those on which the KJV was based. Prominent verses that have been removed as being later day additions are Mark 16:9-20 which supposedly describe Jesus's ascension, 1st John 5:7 which is the cornerstone of the Trinity doctrine is a fabrication, your famous John 3:16 does not have the word BEGOTTEN in the original manuscript, Isiah 7:14 does not have the word VIRGIN even in the manuscripts that were translated, the word there in the Hebrew text is 'almah' which should be translated as a young woman and not "bethulah" which means VIRGIN. Go and check those versions of the Bible I have mentioned and you will confirm what I have said that there is not only ONE Bible.

What about the conundrum of the fabricated genealogy of Jesus as given by Mark and Luke. For a man who has no biological father they invented a genealogy for him and even then they still both could not agree on whether he came from David via Nathan or Solomon and nalso with a staggering 15 generations difference between Mark and Luke's lists? I know some apologist would come out and say one was tracing through Joseph and the other through Mary, in that case where does Mary come up in the line of fabricated genealogy, because both ended with Joseph (unless they are saying Mary and Joseph are actually siblings)

Kobojunkie:
There is no truth to to the claims you make of the book. Rather the volatility and contradictions you pretend stem from the many unscriptural interpretations applied to the messages contained in your Bible by those of the religion of Christianity a religion which at this point in time boasts over 47,000 different interpretations of the one books, interpretations sectioned into denominations, sects within the religion.

There is only one Bible and one Truth; the meaning of every text as stated by the author of the passage concerned.

What Christianity offers you is a scam platform that basically enables scammers masquerading as sheep to spin their own lies using random verses taken out of context. The religion now offer over 47,000 lies/idols known as interpretations which can be worshipped of the God of Israel and His Son, Jesus Christ. But lies are far away from God and He hates the worship of Idols.

Only an absolute idiot and a complete loser would "wail" when wonderful things are happening in any part of our beloved Nation just to prove a stupid political point. You are expecting Agbadorians to come and wail because Abia is about to start enjoying uninterrupted power? Your expectation is probably because that is what you will do if a similar good news is coming from a government you hate.....you think everyone is bigoted like you to the extent of thinking that whatever good initiatives are not coming from your people or political party is only good for ridicule.........I tire for una o

keymatt:
Alex Oti is working
Waiting for children of corn master to come and wail as usual.

Do you have to go the bank? most banks have online avenue to do so. The only problem is the vNIN from the NIMC portal which caused minor delays for some. Honestly as long as you have relatives who are educated you need not go the bank to do the linking, just as easy as using the USSD codes from your phone to link the mobile phone number or from the telecoms operator's website also

Knowing that some people just want to moan about everything to prove stupid points, BVN is not the same as NIN and perhaps if NIN has been in place earlier on we might not have needed the BVN again. All I could say is that even thought the general message about the March 1 deadline has been in place since last year, the banks did not do a good job of sensitizing their customers in this regard. Worthy of note however that typical of any major change in Nigeria, give at least a year notice and some would still not take action until the last minute,

IF the government should introduce mandatory registration of all births to get access to government services some would still complain. We want things to be better, to have better database for governance and yet we don't just want to embrace sensible changes

smogicesamson:


And how is it not stressful, going to the banking hall waiting for almost an hour isnt that stressful, has long as it cant be done online den it is stressful else you dont have anything doing

So Russia is the EVIL and Israel is the ANGEL and USA is the ARCHANGEL ko? I no blame you, your mindset is already exposed when you agreed that African countries are "shithole"

emapeteum:
Why do Africans and African leaders stand for evil? They support Russia against Ukraine and HAMAS as South Africa is currently championing but citizens of these shithole nations are queuing daily at the Western embassies.No wonder they have been having oppressive leaders that enrich themselves at the expense of the ill-informed masses. The pro-eastern block would do Africa no good. If you hate the west so much, the best group for you is BOKO HARAM, and never intend to go to any Western nations. This is the best way to show your anger.

Yeyenatu! This guy likes to play to the gallery. MR NO STAIN.......is it part of his 'honesty' and 'integrity' that made him invest his state's money in family business (and even had the gut to lie about being a stakeholder in the business) and the same openness made him go hide money for offshore tax-havens? Dey deceive yourself

DId all the lands of the present geographical area called Palestine ever belong to the Jews from the dawn of time? Were there not the Cannanites , Amalekites etc already flourishing on those lands before Abraham even came from Ur (present day Iraq) so whats your point? That those who have existed on the land earlier owns the land? Sorry that is not the Israelites. IF your argument is that those Canaanites and Amalekites have now been destroyed why then cant you accept that the Israelis have also been displaced from those lands more than a millenium ago? Modern day land ownership is not proved with the promises in an archaic book claiming to be from God

mikeapollo:


The Philistines had long been conquered and destroyed. Do you want to ask about the Canaanites, Amalekites, Jebusites, Babylonians, etc. too?
Don't confuse Philistine and Palestine. They are not the same. The people calling themselves ''Palestinians'' are originally the descendants of Arabs from Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, etc. They are not Philistines.

In any case, did Bethlehem and Jerusalem ever belong to the so called Philistines?

I think I "agree" with you that only Muslims are terrorists.... however

1. the people who massacred 6 million Jews were Christians not Muslims

2. those who forcefully took over the lands of the Native Indians in the American continent massacring many of them and putting the rest into forced detention in RESERVATION CAMPS ( not unlike what is being done to the Palestinians) were Christians Pilgrim invaders

3. the worst atrocities of any colonial era in Congo was perpetrated by the Belgians under King Leopold and they were Christians, and what about the French in Tunisia, they were also Christians

4. what about the terrors and death due to the apartheid of the mainly White Dutch and Christian oppressors in South Africa, that also stands there with the atrocities of a people who were Christians and surely we can label that Christian terrorism.

5. Not to talk about the multitude of terrorism instigated by the 'God' of the Bible against "unclean Gentiles" which the Christians claim were inspired?

" At the seventh time Joshua said, Shout — To testify your faith in God’s promise, and thankfulness for this glorious mercy; to encourage yourselves and brethren, and to strike a [b]terror [/b]into your enemies. The Lord hath given you the city — It is given to you to be devoted to God, as the first (and perhaps the worst) of all the cities of Canaan" (Joshua 6:16)

"But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me. " (Luke 19:27)

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).

The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." (Hosea 12:16)

6. The KU Klux Klan terrorists in America must also be Muslims
7. The drug gangs of South America who have killed millions in their gang wars must be Muslims
8. The Jewish IRGUN and HAGANAH terrorist groups that murdered British soldiers in Palestine must also be Muslims.
9. The first recorded incident of suicide bombing that killed Rajiv Gandhi was carried out by the Tamil Tiger separatist who were also Muslims ko?
10. Timothy McVeigh the Oklahoma bomber must be a Muslim also
11. Andrea Behring Breivik, the Norwegian terrorist that killed 77 is also likely to be a Muslim

I can go on and on but it is of no use to those whose thinking have been warped by religious bigotry.....

Samesame247:
You can be a Muslim and not be yet a terrorist but you can't be a terrorist and not be a muslim

Bros get your fact right, people hate the Zionists not the Israelis and there is a poles-apart difference between the two. Even the founder of ZIonism was a secular man with no affinity for Judaism. Have you seen how many Jews have come out en-masse worldwide to condemn the ZIonist agenda even before the events of October 7 and subsequently after.

Talking about hating, have you not seen the evidences produced by S/ Africa in court, most of which are available in social media about the amount of venom your "God's people" have for the "Amalekites". Perhaps you need to refer to your Bible to understand what is meant to be referred to as the Amalekites who were supposed to be victims of genocide because your ever-loving God pr0mised his people thier lands

Yes Jews used to be special and beloved to God because as of that period they were the only people still practising monotheism, but they have lost all the glory and special love. If only you can refer to the incident of Nakba in 1948, then it would be clear to you why an average Palestinian of any generation would have no love for the ZIonists.

As for your misrepresentation of then love between Arabs and Christians, it can be verified that all religious groups lived in harmony under the Muslim rule in the Holy land. See the article below to let you know that the ZIonists do not give a toss for Christianity or even Judaism but the Jewish Nationalism called Zionism


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/13/christians-are-in-danger-under-israeli-government-says-holy-land-patriarch#:~:text=Christians%20are%20in%20danger%20under%20Israeli%20government%2C%20says%20Holy%20Land%20patriarch,-This%20article%20is&text=The%20head%20of%20the%20Roman,in%20the%20birthplace%20of%20Christianity.

mikeapollo:


The issue is not whether or not Israel disdain has for Christians and for blacks!
Do the Arabs have any better love for Christians and for blacks? Didn't they partake in the slave trade? Are they not bombing and killing Christians up till today?

You cannot be a Christian (or true Muslim) and hate Israel! That is a fact!
Most of the prophets of God in the Bible (over 99%) and the Quran were from Israel! How can you be a Christian or true Muslim (that believes in God and His prophets) and hate such country!

How can you claim you love the prophets of God, but you hate their people and land!?

Who will blame for being so daring after losing 24 soldiers in one single day of a war which thier mumu supporters said is going to last only a week and which is costing them $260 million everyday ( according to Bloomberg). Ironic that anyone holding a gun on the side of the merciless occupiers are "heroes" but those holding a gun on the side of the resistance are " terrorist" except when those resistance people are white Europeans like in the second world......in that case, those resistance fighters are "valiants" The same way Mandela and his groups were labelled terrorists for resisting the unjust occupation of thier lands and the evil apartheid regime..... sound familiar?

I don't think there is a sinister motive about this. If I understood correctly, people who have undergone trauma in any form can be offered therapy to help them cope

superCleanworks:
So she needed rehab?
rehab from what?

is this an attempt to further pin the insanity badge on her or a coded welfare package to pamper her and silence the matter?

Madam minister is coming to visit her for the second time? For what exactly?

Whatever you do with your life is your own problem, but no religion or sensible ideology encourage or permit the spreading of rumour or falsehood and hatred. You have no confirmation of the identity of the perpetrator of this hideous crime, yet you already arrived at the conclusion it must be someone who prays five time daily, meaning you already have an hatred or a beef with those people and you have the gut to say you are telling the truth.... which useless truth be that




I will take religion as i deem fit. Its religion and it is made by man for man. [/quote]

Which stupid truth are you speaking? Did the Bible teach you to work with conjecture and spread rumour? Religious bigot, I just gave you a link to the story of the "pastor"who murdered his wife was it the Bible that taught him to do that? We know your type, your perpetual hatred for others who don't profess your religion might probably choke you to death... And I am assuming you will go to church today ,, thinking you are following Jesus

omoredia:


If truth dey put fire for your head na u sabi. But the truth must be said like it or not

the mad man that beheaded his friend in the case in the link below appears to be from the land where the sun rises.... how about that. Tribalistic idiots !

https://thenationonlineng.net/man-beheads-colleague-after-seeing-his-n13m-account-balance/

ZekeYeager:
He fled in the direction of the setting sun and he was probably clutching the missing head in both his hands. In case you still don't understand, go online and type "What direction does the sun set?" and you will get your answer.

Those who are initiated already understand...

Religious bigots have come again with their senseless zealotry. Has the identity of the culprit been confirmed to be someone who prays five times daily? And even if, are there not those who read the Bible and still commit evil? And some people are actually liking this senseless comment

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/468186-pastor-kills-wife-buries-corpse-in-shallow-grave.html?tztc=1

omoredia:
U pray 5 times but u never get reminded not to do evil. You serve the devil not God

I dont even know what some people chose to believe in at all, that the child dies because her mother 'lied' against TBJ? Death is inevitable as we all know and we all have our appointed time, so people should stop linking somebody falling dead because their mum accused a "man of God" or suffering heart attack because they condemned Israel. IF all these theories were correct, what happens to the BBC Producer and the journalists that started the investigation, why are they not struck dead by thunder. We should not celebrate death in the way some people have been dong it here. When Daddy Adeboye lost his son, did you think that was a punishment for something Baba did? No.

What happens to:
" The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself" (Ezekiel 18:20)


You lots are the ones giving atheist and agnostics a stick to beat you with, because which loving "God" takes pleasure in punishing the innocent for the sins of their parents

KEVIND:


Exodus 34:7
"I lavish unfailing love to a thousand generations. I forgive iniquity, rebellion, and sin. But I do not excuse the guilty. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children and grandchildren; the entire family is affected— even children in the third and fourth generations.”
Beware, you wouldn't want to experience the Anger of God.

it is mostly the ignoramus lots who know next to nothing about what this war is doing to Israel economically,, politically, and safety of Jews wordlwide that revels in the killings. Yes Palestinians are dying but at what cost to Israel in monetary and human terms. After having mobilised almost half a million troops of regular and reservists for this offensive, four months after they are no where near their objective. They said they want to liberate the hostages, but how many of such hostages have been liberated by the IDF in Gaza instead they have been killing thier own, and what is the true number of IDF casualties so far. Not to talk of an estimated daily cost of $260 million according to Bloomberg to achieve what! Not even the almighty US can afford such a cost and yet their objectives are not achieved. The Houthis are starting their own palaver blockading the Red Sea to any vessel bound for Israel whilst the Hezbollah are getting agitated on the Lebanese front and some ignoramus still thinks its a piece of cake for Israel?

Krismas:
What’s the meaning of ORGANIZED OPPOSITION? Even Israel war cabinet is deeply divided now also. The IDF chief does not attend the meetings again. In just two months of fighting, Israel has managed to incur more debts twice Ukraine whos been fighting for two years! The IDF have killed yet another hostage in Gaza two days back, in a failed attempt to recover the laptop of the hostage in the hands of PFLP militants, IDF bombed the hostage
Now Natanyahu is not the owner of Israel. His plan is not working. Since the war he has only managed to kill 21,000 out of 2.3miliion Gazans. Too slow, too weak
And within the same time massive demonstrations against Israel is regularly ongoing in most cities in the world. Hatred against Jews have increased 200% in Europe and in Israel there are 800,000 internally displaced refugees
Natanyahu is CLEARLY failing. It’s obvious to the smart. Only Mumu people think Israel is winning just like WW2, where Hitler’s generals knew they had lost the war 3yrs b4 it actually happened! I don’t think Israel public need to wait a minute more for Natanyahu to pull the nation into the abyss

Your sadist type are easy to know..... you revel in death and misery of others even if your Lord and Saviour said turn the other cheek abi love and pray for your enemies, I guess all those na opata ... but anyways. do you know the Israeli casualties figure from this so far, whether IDF or civillians, I bet you have no clue because it is not reported to you in the media....... if IDF is just starting what have they been doing for the past four months? One of your fellow sadists here promised us it will all be over in a week......alas the best armed force in the world could not even locate and free the hostages nor take full control of Gaza ( just 365 sq km of land) since their offensive started in October and here you ignoramus is making noise about what you have no idea as if this was a piece of cake for Israel. Maybe if you break away from your cocoon of hatred and come out to reality you will know what this war is doing to Israel reputation, economy , safety and security. And you will be deluding yourself in you think the almighty US will continue to give endless supply money and weapons to Israel, but what do you know, all you want to read is the number of Palestinians killed. Your IPOB mentors are killing your people in your homeland regularly that one no concern you.......

https://www.jta.org/2014/08/11/israel/how-much-has-israels-war-in-gaza-cost

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/war-with-hamas-cost-israel-above-50-bln-newspaper-2023-11-05/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/31/gaza-war-costs-israel-economy/

SultanOfAbia:

I literally derive joy seeing you and Hamas cry everyday, begging for ceasefire.
E sweet me like seriously
You go cry tire All these your wailings too dey sweet me

Gaza looking like Syria

And IDF is just starting.
Your generations will feel the damages and follow you and cry and wail till enternity

See how beautiful Gaza looks
More bombings too come till the whole of Gaza turn to dust

I thought one of your ilks told us here on Nairaland that he gave IDF only one week to wipe out Hamas and destroy the whole of Gaza.....it is easy for you lots to sit in the comfort of your keyboard and be making mouth and laughing at the death and destruction of those whom you hate for whatever reason... it shows a lot about your moral compass. And since IDF has been dropping their bombs the Israelis have been living peacefully after?..

SultanOfAbia:

You will explain tire and cry blood

Now now now IDF is busy blasting your Hamas
Continue writing novels online
It won't stop IDF from dropping bombs upon bombs.
Continue writing novel

Una go cry tire

Dem don come again, would you pray for what is happening in Palestine /Israel now to happen in your community? You can criticise a government sensibly but make sure your criticism is not just based on your resentment of the leader? Why don't you lead and start a campaign to demand for Tinubu's resignation to test the popularity of your opinion. Tell me the leader of that country in the free world who is not currently facing one backlash or the other over policy issue?

Without being a religious or tribal bigot, I think one can safely conclude that your outbursts are part of the post-election trauma syndrome......currently being suffered by so many supporters of a certain Mr Peter. Even you principal has moved on and has learnt his lessons on how to build bridges and not create division in order to be acceptable to every Nigerians and I commend him for that.... but here you are still wailing over the split milk....So the whole of Nigerians now are the "sick" people that Tinubu is ruling over?. I hope that does not include you relatives sill living in Nigeria even if you are not

9jvirgin:
Why can't Nigerians demand resignation of Tinubu? What is happening in Israel that worse hasn't happened in Nigeria? Why are the Nigerian people docile in the face of evil and pain?

Without religious and ethnic bigotry, Tinubu will have no business in Aso rock. A sick man, ruling over sick people. Sad.

With all due respect sir, those calling for a "Free Palestine" in the UK and all over thew world are not "2%" of the population and they are certainly not idiots because they are not bigoted enough not to blindly support a genocidal and oppressive regime like you lots. I know you will call me the next idiot because you people cannot present your case without insult and abuse. From you statement, you are implying the whole of the Irish Nations of Ireland and Northern Ireland, South Africa , Bolivia to mention a few, standing firmly behind a free Palestine are idiots. Same for the millions of people who have participated in several hundreds of marches all over the world in support of a free Palestine including well meaning Israelis and religious Rabbis whose conscience would just not allow them to blindly support the denigration and oppression of a people in the name of "defending ourselves"

Lets not talk of tons of videos by people from mall over the world exposing the hypocrisy and the massive propaganda of the Israelis most of which have been viewed millions of times with hundreds of thousands of LIKES. I respectfully disagree with your " 2% idiots" theory as it is not supported by any data but just a product of your concoction. Public opinion about Netanyahu even before October 7 has not always been pleasant and even after October 7 many felt that he deliberately sacrificed Israeli lives just to have an excuse to declare war on Hamas and boost his rating because the Egyptians warned the Israelis that something was in the offing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

https://electronicintifada.net/content/evidence-israel-killed-its-own-citizens-7-october/41156

SultanOfAbia:
Normally

Every group, team, country, community,area
Always have one thing in common
They are called "IDIOTS"

There will always be a 2% of every population that will always go against their leaders.

USA has it
Russia had it
Even Nigeria has it.

You have couple of idiots in every country.

In UK you see the idiots saying Free Palestine

During end SARS protest.
Some Northeners where doing Pro SARS protest

In Israel, a group of dumb idiots comes together and do protest.
The government don't even listen to such ignoramuses.
They just carry placard and walk like zombies.Na their e go end.

Nobody give a damn about the 2% idiots
Only Hamas and co
Because the idiots are unkownkily helping Hamas

Hamas calls them "Useful Idiots"

I now your type very well, you will never agree when you mess up....you supposedly quote Qurtubi, but your Google translation mentioned

" Ibn Ishaq said the one who was sent by Jesus.........." Did you in your blinded arrogance miss that? You did not quote Sam but you are quoting from his work is what I am telling you, You have sked for another tafseer, here you have Ibn Katheer, please read it and tell me where it says Paul was an appointed disciple. Even Qurtubi you are wailing about only mentioned Paul as a companion of Peter who was an appointed disciple

https://www.alim.org/quran/tafsir/ibn-kathir/surah/61/14/

Ordinarily I don’t debate religion on social media with anonymous people because most of you lots have no manners and etiquette of arguing constructively without resorting to insults and abuse like “ eediots, stop drinking camel urine, paedophile etc. That’s why you will never see me post anything in the religion section of Nairaland. I have been on Nairaland since 2005 and it was really a nice place and we had fun with all sorts of posts until the religious bigots made entrances and every innocuous post must be turned to avenue to castigate and insult one religion. The tribal bigots also came onboard later and the story remains the same. To be candid I have stayed away from NL for more than seven years until I came back during the last election and the story has even gotten worse.

This thread we are discussing has no bearing with religion until you Hotshot Evangelists turned it into a Christian vs Muslim war not even Jews vs Muslims anymore. True, majority of the Palestinians are Muslims, but the bulk of sensible people who have marched in hundreds of protests in support of the Palestinians did not do so because of Islam, but because anyone with a little bit of justice and fairness knows that even before the event of October 7, Israel has completely thrown caution to the wind and have decided to treat the Palestinians whose land was stolen to create the state of Israel as if they were not meant to be existing at all. I keep reminding you that even before the Israelis were “promised” the so call land, there were already people living there. Demography and land ownership in all parts of the world have changed hands many times in the last 10 millienium, but you have never seen any set of people who have not been in control of a particular piece of land for a millennia suddenly wake up one day and start making claims to a piece of land all because their ancestors USED to live there millennium before

Funny enough as we have been arguing , the Zionist Jews whom you are defending blindly do not give a toss about Christianity or even Judaism, Zionism is about Jewish Nationalism and nothing to do with religion. I have just engaged with you lot here just to show you that there is no place for the kind of aggression and brazen land stealing and illegal occupation being carried out by Israel whether they used to be God’s favourite or not. Your eternal hatred for the Muslims has not just started and is definitely not because of some modern day misguided terrorist, it has been there for ages and this story might be a little bit different if the people involved are not Muslims,


If however you want to have a face to face discussion send me a zoom link for anytime on weekends and I will happily oblige you

smokinloud:

You're just a big ediot.
I made a screenshot of other tafsir.
Can you just quote 1 single tafsir to counter that?!. You can't because all of your scholars agree on it

Is tafsir Al-Jalalayn not sound too?!.

The energy that you used to tackle your own scholar and call him a liar, why not use same energy to counter my claim?!.
You can't gain souls to your Jannah by attacking every of your scholars. You call them liars yet you want us to believe them?!. Stop wasting my time alaye

Go a bit back before the Ottomans sir, the Byzantine were also in charge of Palestine for many centuries an d the Jews were still a minority in this period. True the Zionist bought some land but over 70% of what constitutes the present state of Israel were forcibly seized from the remaining Palestinians ( Christians and Muslims) during the Nakba from about 1949.

Even when the UN have settled the matter of East Jerusalem and West Bank, did Israel comply? Modern day ownership of land is not determined by an historical promise in a ' book of God'

Resolution 298: September 25, 1971, confirmed in “the clearest possible terms” that all actions taken by Israel to change the status of Jerusalem, such as land confiscation, were illegal.

Resolution 465: March 1, 1980, demanded Israel to stop the planning and construction of settlements in territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem. It also called on Israel to “dismantle the existing settlements”.
Are you aware of the Western Wall Decree of 1931 confirming the ownership of the Wailing Wall of the Temple to the Muslims after successfully proving their case with the International Court of Justice (ICJ)? This is how things are done in modern times as we are no longer in the era of might is right

https://ecf.org.il/issues/issue/1412

As for Paul, below is what I have presented from your Bible about the contradictions in the narration of his conversion


At Acts 9:3-8, Paul was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in the city. His men did not see the light, but heard the voice. They remained standing.

At Acts 22:6-11, Paul told the people he was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who again told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in Damascus. This time, his men saw the light but, unlike Paul, were not blinded, and did not hear the voice to go to Damascus. He fell down, but there is no mention of blindness, nor is there any mention of the men seeing or hearing anything, although for some reason they also fell down. He told those at Damascus and Jerusalem about his conversion experience.So can you reconcile it for me thanks?

And If Jesus really sent Paul why did he dedicate all his energy to continue thwarting Jesus's messages, for instance Jesus said he has not come to destroy the law but to fufill it, Paul says you are no longer under the law. Paul was bold enough to ask that you leave the elementary doctrines of Jesus and apply common sense ( even though others think Paul might not be the author, leaving us again the issue of the anonymity of writers)

Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,
Hebrews 6:1

smokinloud:

if you studied literature you'd have known that there's no crime in writing in third person point of view or having scribes to write for you, moreover the disciples were still very much around when Matthew and other gospels were written and nobody objected its veracity.
they've deceived you a lot. The Jews lived not just as minority but as dhimmi (second class city) "aboki" under the Arabs. The Arabs on the land of Palestine were tenants of the Ottoman. The Ottoman were Turkish Islamists.
The land was bought from the land owners by the Zionists. Make research and stop crying like a cry babe

I would have replied you on Paul but you didn't quote biblical verse and I can't be disputing what you didn't support with biblical Quotations. Quote out the verses and let me teach you the bible

the funny thing is that allah claimed he was the God that chased the people out of the land for the Jews in the Quran.

Surah 5:20-26 Picktall translation:
And (remember) when Moses said unto his people: O my people! Remember Allah's favour unto you, how He placed among you prophets, and He made you kings, and gave you that (which) He gave not to any (other) of (His) creatures. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely ye turn back as losers: They said: O Moses! Lo! a giant people (dwell) therein and lo! we go not in till they go forth from thence. When they go forth from thence, then we will enter (not till then). Then out spake two of those who feared (their Lord, men) unto whom Allah had been gracious: Enter in upon them by the gate, for if ye enter by it, lo! ye will be victorious. So put your trust (in Allah) if ye are indeed believers. They said: O Moses! We will never enter (the land) while they are in it. So go thou and thy Lord and fight! We will sit here. He said: My Lord! I have control of none but myself and my brother, so distinguish between us and the wrong-doing folk. (Their Lord) said: For this the land will surely be forbidden them for forty years that they will wander in the earth, bewildered. So grieve not over the wrongdoing folk.


The Jews lived on their land and the Arabs Palestinians lived there too but the land was controlled by the Ottoman until Britain defeat them. None of the Jews or Arab Palestinians control the land prior to 1948

I am confused here please help me out, you mentioned Qurtubi but you have quoted Ibn Ishaq, in any case Qurtubi merely mentioned that PAul was a companion of Peter and that did not make him an appointed Apostle excpet self-appointed anyways through lie and deceit as I have shown from the story of his supposed conversion.

Anyways, I am well aware of your reference it is from Sam Shanoun and I want to lift something from the tafsir that Sam was trying to quote and you will tell me what your take is on that

Noted Muslim commentator Ibn Kathir’s statements are most interesting. Commenting on S. 3:55, he writes:

"This is what happened. When Allah raised ‘Isa to heaven, his followers divided into sects and groups. Some of them believed in what Allah sent ‘Isa as, a servant of Allah, His Messenger, and the son of His female-servant.

However, some of them went to the extreme over ‘Isa, believing that he was the son of Allah. Some of them said that ‘Isa was Allah Himself, while others said that he was one of a Trinity. Allah mentioned these false creeds in the Qur’an and refuted them. The Christians remained like this until the third century CE, when a Greek king called, Constantine, became a Christian for the purpose of destroying Christianity. Constantine was either a philosopher, or he was just plain ignorant. Constantine changed the religion of ‘Isa by adding to it and deleting from it. He established the rituals of Christianity and the so-called Great Trust which is in fact the Great Treachery. He also allowed them to eat the meat of swine, changed the direction of the prayer that ‘Isa established to the east, built churches for ‘Isa, and added ten days to the fast as compensation for a sin that he committed, as claimed. So the religion of ‘Isa became the religion of Constantine, who built more than twelve thousand churches, temples and monasteries for the Christians as well as the city that bears his name, Constantinople (Istanbul). THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, the Christians had the upper hand and dominated the Jews. ALLAH AIDED THEM AGAINST THE JEWS BECAUSE THEY USED TO BE CLOSER TO THE TRUTH THAN THE JEWS, even though both groups were and still are disbelievers, may Allah’s curse descend on them." (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 2, Parts 3, 4, & 5 (Surat Al-Baqarah, Verse 253, to Surat An-Nisa, Verse 147), abridged by a group of scholars under the supervision of Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors Riyadh, Houston, New York, Lahore; First Edition: March 2000], p. 171; bold and capital emphasis ours; cf. online edition)[/b]

IF you want I can send you the whole works of Sam Shanoun on this and instead of lifting pieces from it, you can read the whole lot and convince yourself if has made any valid point. The confused guy was just jumping from tafsir to tafsir trying to pick what suits him

smokinloud:


[b]Al-Qurtubi in his tafsir of surah 61:14 said Paul was amongst the disciples of Jesus Christ sent by allah
He was quoting Ibn Ishaq; the earliest islamic work

Laughable, you are indeed an Islamic scholar, Your arrogance posture already says a lot about you. However you and your fellow orientalists have not just started today fabricating words and attributing them to notable companions, the same thing you did with you Bible, written by anonymous people but attributed to disciples. Your answer is here below, if you know anything about chain of narration then you would know that you have failed with your citation. To confirm that your indeed know Islam more than the Imams, why dont you give me the tafsir of the same ayah from Ibn Kathee

[b]There is no doubt that this commentary is not the work of Ibn ‘Abbas. The chain of transmitters of this commentary goes back to Muhammad Ibn Marwan <– Al-Kalbi <– Abu Salih which is described by Hadith experts as the chain of lies (silsilat al-kadhib), for this line of transmission is utterly dubious and unreliable.

.Abu Salih was described as a liar by his own student Isma’il ibn Abi Khalid, the reason being that Salih actually confessed this fact to him (Abu Ja’far al-’Uqayli, ad-Du’afa’ al-Kabir vol. 1 p. 165).

Al-Kalbi, was one of the most notorious liars of Kufa. His biography in al-Mizzi’s Tahdhib al-Kamal is filled with statements of the scholars of his time who denounced him as an extremely unreliable reporter, and even a blatant liar. (See al-Mizzi, Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 25 pp. 246-253). There exists a very interesting statement in the biography by his kinsman who records Abu Salih as saying that he never narrated any Tafsir to Kalbi. The second is an admission of guilt by Abu Salih. Sufyan ath-Thawri narrates that al-Kalbi said, “Whatever Tafsir I narrated from Abu Salih is untrue. Do not narrate it from me.”

Muhammad ibn Marwan (AKA as-Suddi as-Saghir) was a notorious forger whose lies were noted by both his contemporaries and the scholars after him. (Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 26 pp. 392-394).

Another piece of evidence against tanwir Al-Miqbas’s attribution to Ibn Abbas is the fact that it mentions people by name who lived after Ibn Abbas, sometimes hundreds of years later and that it can suddenly say that “Ibn Abbas said such-and-such” even though this is meant to be a hadith tafsir:[/b]


And also o noble scholar! do you even know what Taqiyyah means? becasue it appears youy like to flaunt words about to project erudition whereas you an ignoramus
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smokinloud:

You are a goa.t mehhhh.

Do you think you're having this discourse with a twa.t?!.

17.104 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And We said unto the Children of Israel after him) after his destruction: (Dwell in the land) the land of Jordan and Palestine; (but when the promise of the Hereafter) when resurrection after death; and it is also said that this means: when Jesus son of Mary descends (cometh to pass we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.)
That's tafsir Ibn Abbas

I challenge you to bring any tafsir that say otherwise. You can't even play taqiyya on me because I have the knowledge of Islam than your imam

So this is your understanding of what you quoted there.... I can't blame you lots, your own Bible alone you are reading you still cannot comprehend.......

smokinloud:

No, Allah said it in his revelation that he gave the land to the Jews till the judgement day and the Arabs are the rebels according to Allah.
Surah:17:104; M١٠٤ وَقُلْنَا مِنْ بَعْدِهِ لِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اسْكُنُوا الْأَرْضَ فَإِذَا جَاءَ وَعْدُ الْآخِرَةِ جِئْنَا بِكُمْ لَفِيفًا104 After him, We said to the Children of Israel, “Inhabit the land, and when the promise of the Hereafter arrives, We will bring you all together.”

See this mumu , he wants to be EQUAL with GOD.... I swear you lots have absolutely no idea of what God is

smokinloud:


why acting like a foooool?!. Why quoting the covenant that YHWH was so concerned about Israel for me to tackle my point that God has Israel in his messianic mission?!. Ain't you a foooool contradicting himself?!.
Whoever accept Jesus is saved whether Jews or non-Jews but a time is coming when the Jews will generally accept christ as the messiah when the time of the gentiles has come to fulness

Romans 11:25-27
[25]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The covenant is what we Christians preach which is the blood of Jesus to save sinners to God and make us EQUAL with God

The best your God can do is to authorize "fraud" to confirm his blessing. I wonder which kind of God you people have in your Bible, he appears to be clueless and no wonder he need to drink his own son's blood because he could forgive Adam

smokinloud:


You are a camel urine drinker ser!.

God didn't bless Jacob because he fraudulently took Esua's blessings. God has blessed Jacob from the time his mother conceived him.

Genesis 25:23-26
[23]And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
[24]And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.
[25]And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.
[26]And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

the birthright fraud was just the humanly way of confirming God's blessings not the cause of God's covenant

go and study the term "anthropomorphism" and how Judaism used it in their religion" before we can start the discussion of how God rested, regretted or is pained. Don't be an ignorant. I won't spoon-feed you

Dont get me started on who wrote the Bible because the earliest book of the New Testament was not written until at least six decades after Jesus supposedly died and since you like Wikipedia so much go and read about it from here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible#:~:text=Internal%20evidence%20within%20the%20texts,Thessalonians%2C%20written%20around%2050%20CE.

Also, who told you that the Matthew for instance wrote the Book of Mathew, what is your evidence for that because if Matthew wrote the book , would he have written

9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
(Matthew 9:9-10)

Why would the writer of a book supposedly dictated by God write in a third person unless the book was written by others. And what about the contradiction in the genealogy of Jesus between Matthew and Luke which you people have never been able to reconcile for millennia.

You said the Palestinian Jews accepted their fellow Jews in Diaspora and so whats anybody'd hassles with that? You see the problem is that pre-1948 the Jews living in Palestine were a minority who had no authority to grant land to anyone excpet what they legally possessed, but the British forcefully carved out Israel from the land of the Palestinian Christain and Muslims and forced and massacred their way to take control of the lands, go and read about the Nakba and how the state of Israel was established and you wont be asking me question about when has Israel conducted war of aggression.

As for Paul the impostor, you said everyone accepted him, oh that's probably why he constantly fought with Peter whom Jesus supposedly said would be the rock upon which his mission would stand and also Barnabas who were both APPOINTED by Jesus himself according to your story book called Bible. All of Paul's narration of his so called meeting with Jesus was filled with contradictions and lies

At Acts 9:3-8, Paul was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in the city. His men did not see the light, but heard the voice. They remained standing.

At Acts 22:6-11, Paul told the people he was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who again told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in Damascus. This time, his men saw the light but, unlike Paul, were not blinded, and did not hear the voice.


At Acts 26.13-19, Paul told Agrippa that he saw a brilliant light and heard Jesus, who gave him his mission, but did not command him to go to Damascus. He fell down, but there is no mention of blindness, nor is there any mention of the men seeing or hearing anything, although for some reason they also fell down. He told those at Damascus and Jerusalem about his conversion experience.


Which of the three account is correct. Anyways Paul has made it the poitn of his theology to contradict and oppose Jesus's supposed sayings at every turn and that was why he was eventually beheaded as the false Prophet he was, as fulfilment of Deuteronomy 18: 20 "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’
Can you quote me the books and page number of those Muslim scholars who said Paul was sent by Allah...... laughable

AS for the proof you have asked for about the ownership of Palestine, I have quoted several times in may threads that the land presently called Palestine was not virgin or empty when your racist God decided to seize it violently and give it to the Israelite, there were the Canaanites, Girgashite, Amorites already living and flourishing on the land. In modern day , you don't claim ownership of land based on the historical promise of one God in books written by obscure people. The Jews have not lived and control the land for over a millenium until the state of Israel was established in 1948. If that was to be the case, then you should tell the White Evangelical Christian nation of USA to evacuate and leave everywhere to the Native Indians who originally owned the land before the Pilgrim Fathers killed and plundered their way towards establishing their nation.

You see , simple we do not believe that God is the one talking in your Bible, so we cannot accept that as evidence of giving other people's land to his "beloved" Which kind of "God" gives this instruction -
The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God . They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." Hosea 13:16 (New Living Translation) Is this the God whose word you are using as evidence? No way

smokinloud:


Ewu!.

You've shifted the goal post to the modern day Jews ?. .

The Y chromosome of most Ashkenazi(Europeans Jews) and Sephardi(African Jews) Jews contains mutations that are common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population, according to a study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome by geneticists namely; Michael Hammer, Harry Ostrer and others, published in 2000. According to Hammer et al. this suggests that the paternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East.

In Ashkenazi (and Sephardi) Jews, the most common paternal lineages generally are E1b1b, J2, and J1, with others found at lesser rates. meaning they are paternally related to Palestinian Jews. Nb: The Jews are the real Palestinians. Arabs are just tenants of Ottoman. Palestine is a Hebrew word, a secular name given to the Jews by the Romans some 500 years before the birth of Muhammed

Source: wikipedia

secondly, the Palestinian Jews accept Jews in diaspora as brothers and you are not the one to decide who the Palestinian Jews accept as citizens. They've never segregated amongst themselves
one more, Israel has never fought an offensive war in modern history, you can make your research, they are always fighting to defend themselves from attacks from the Arabs. So it's the Arabs who are the wicked souls as they never stop war even amongst themselves and it took USA for peace to exist in Mecca; Yemen would have wiped them out. And also Kuwait, UAE, and other peaceful Arab countries buy the Jews never fought themselves
God doesn't do partial. Whoever doesn't accept christ for remission of sin will die in Hell including the Jews

Jesus didn't write any book it was is disciples that wrote books. So if you are looking for what Jesus wrote you'd never find it. It's ahistorical. The disciples accepted Paul, the early church fathers accepted him, Christians generally accept him. Early muslims scholars and historians like Ibn Kathir and Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Hisham, Al-Tabari etc all confirmed that Paul was sent by Allah

forget about the bible can you tell me any historical writing or any historical figure that make claim that the Jews are not the owner of Palestine?!. If you would argue, argue with fact stop crying like a cry baby

I swear to God you are either very dumb or you are playing stupid but I sincerely think you are very dumb. Honestly I do not like insulting people on social media and I have condemned others for it but your case is beyond redemption. You gave two prophecies one from the Book of Mark and another from the book of Daniel and my responses were very clear to each, but it appears your brain find it too much to process. Go back and read my responses, I told you that what you were quoting from the book of Mark was supposed to have happened in the generation of Jesus


" As for the Prophecy of Daniel you have quoted how does that transl;ate to a future event. Most Bible commentaries have placed this event in the past. In 457 B.C., in the seventh year of his reign, King Artaxerxes issued a decree giving Ezra permission to return to Jerusalem to complete the efforts to rebuild the city (Ezra 7:6-10; Ezra 9:9)"

This was my separate responses to the two prophecies you have quoted but you dull brain was not able to distinguish the two as separate and you just decided to bunch them together. I am really and sincerely sorry for you, please comment on social media if only you have the mental capacity to make sensible observations. Waaoh of all the dumb people I have being ion contact with on this Nairaland , your dumbness is top notch

smokinloud:

Stop drinking camel urine ser. You said the prophecy of Daniel was fulfilled in 457BC yet you made mention that Jesus said it shall be fulfilled in his generation. Did Jesus live in 457 BC?!. Provide evidence that Jesus lived at the time of Artaxerxe in 457 BC. You are just too dulll. Jesus that lived as a human in the antiquity period( around 4BC-33AD precisely). Mumu boy

you have to pick one, did the prophecy get fulfilled before Jesus was born(457BC) or during the generation of Jesus?!.

I see you know nothing. Na to do copy and paste full your head. I blame myself for engaging you sef. Ibn mutah

The same man who said confidently that Atiku was going to win....

There is really not a lot one can say to folks who believe that God can bless someone who fraudulently obtained his fathers blessing. Only inn the Bible would you read of ridiculous events like that....Jacob, the forebearer of the Israelites actually connived with his mother to fraudulently obtain the blessing that his father meant for his brother and that is even after he had conned his brother out of his birthright. This shady person is the one that was blessed by your God despite all this detestable act and whose offspring your God has "chosen" as his special people. Only the God in the Bible can do that and yet we blame Yahoo boys for obtaining by deceit?
Why should one be surprised about any of this anyway, is it not the same God of the Bible that "REGRETTED and was PAINED" for creating man, the same God that RESTED AND REFRESH after the 'hard work' of creation,

smokinloud:

Sure that's the only main prophecy of the bible that has not been fulfilled but there are steps to its fulfilment;

Romans 11:25-29
[25]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
[28]As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
[29]For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

it's because of their unbelief that gave me and other gentiles the privilege of being saved because the moment the Jews accept their messiah and call upon him he will come to rescue them, he'll descend on mount Oliveth and the Jews and the saved Gentiles will reign with him. If the jews had accepted Jesus 2000 years ago the world would have ended and I might not have the privilege of getting saved...

Romans 11:30-32
[30]For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
[31]Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
[32]For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Jesus himself told them that they'll be invaded and humiliated but God will gather them and until they accept him as the messiah he will not come back

Luke 13:35
[35]Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The prophecy of Zechariah says that Israelites will look at the cross, God being crucified, and mourn in repentance

Zechariah 12:10
[10]And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.


And the prophet Isaiah prophesied that the Jews,not the gentiles, will call him Immanuel which means 'God with us'. They've not called him Immanuel yet

Isaiah 7:14
[14]Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Lots of prophets prophesied about it in the bible like Daniel, Moses etc...

the mistake the Jews are making is that they expect him to execute his full messianic duty before they believe but they have to believe in him before he can perform his full messianic duty. They are putting the cart before the horse

Cc Baatunde fooooolish camel urine drinker.

Whoever doesn't accept the messiah whether Jew or non-Jew will perish in Hell.
Jesus didn't come to bring religion. He brought salvation to the Jews first then to the world. So the name Christianity is useless. Jesus is only concerned about his church which include the Jews as long as they accept his messiahship.

Matthew 16:18-19
[18]And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
[19]And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.