₦airaland Forum

MadPolitician:
Very few countries you say? Like China? India? Indonesia? Saudi? Name the countriesbros,...
Even Egypt and South Africa are doing much better than Nigeria today. China that used to operate a one child policy has stopped that as India outpaced them populationwise.

Huge population is a good thing. Don't buy into that western propaganda against population increases in Africa. Thats vintage racism. What iis bad though is an illiterate huge population. What to do? Build more schools with quality teachers and low school fees. Skills acquisition centers and institute an industrial bank policy that lends fairly with low interests across board . That helps start-ups. Then sit down and wait as industries spring up with more infrastructural developments across the country.

Its not rocket science. Thats exactly what China did.

Only China is populated and doing well,India,Indonesia are poor,Saudi is not populated,Egypt and SouthAfrica have manageable populations

FourQu:
Everybody knows the coup was schemed and executed by military men from all tribes because of their love for the country and the way it was being jeopardised by the then democratic government.

Igbos were just the FALL GUYS it's normal in nigeria for igbos to be 'fall guys' for any and everything that is conceivably wrong in the country.

It's okay. After over 70 years the igbos are already used to it they just counter few propaganda once in a while these days

This is simply because the igbos are too forward,you always put yourself in the spotlight attracting attention.

MadPolitician:
Anyone that feels that Nigerias population is the peoblem should start by committing suicide in order to bring down the population level. Its very mischievous for someone to be fighting hard to protect the life he lives while advocating for mass genocide that should not effect those he consider to be his.. Such simplistic assertion is a product of lazy thinkers.

This countrys problem is not about her big population. The problem lies in the net effect of corruption not allowing the people to be educated enough and trained to specifics in order to be productive. Nigeri has all the resources to train her people. The country is arable enough to feed millions. But bad leadership, imperialism and nepotism has led to the country not being able to achieve her destiny.

A huge population is a plus as long as its an educated mass. Educate Nigerians and stop advocating for mass murder..

No one is advocating for mass genocide, but a plan to control the rate at which people produce kids they can't cater for,they are a huge burden on the society

MadPolitician:
Anyone that feels that Nigerias population is the peoblem should start by committing suicide in order to bring down the population level. Its very mischievous for someone to be fighting hard to protect the life he lives while advocating for mass genocide that should not effect those he consider to be his.. Such simplistic assertion is a product of lazy thinkers.

This countrys problem is not about her big population. The problem lies in the net effect of corruption not allowing the people to be educated enough and trained to specifics in order to be productive. Nigeri has all the resources to train her people. The country is arable enough to feed millions. But bad leadership, imperialism and nepotism has led to the country not being able to achieve her destiny.

A huge population is a plus as long as its an educated mass. Educate Nigerians and stop advocating for mass murder..

Very few countries with big population are doing well,big population is very difficult to manage, moreso with corrupt leaders in Africa,check Botswana and Namibia,

danvon:
Warrant Chiefs were imposed on Igbos because Igbos were so disorganized, Warrant Chiefs were the only way they could get anything done. Funny enough many of the Ezes and traditional rulers in Igboland today were descendants or beneficiaries of the Warrant Chief System including Mazi Nnamdi Kanu.

It's interesting you mention Igbo Ukwu, which were beautiful art works. But where was it found? In the Nri Kingdom, one of the few parts of Igboland that were organized and had Kings.

These artifacts do not tell the whole story, yes the are items of high civilisation but it doesn't necessarily mean that those that did not have items or art like this were barbarians

aariwa:
Population is actually strength and the secret to a prosperous and great nation when you have a visionary leader who realize it and not a brain dead mandate thief criminal. Obi understands that very clearly and the reason he remains the best Nigeria has to offer in terms of leadership today

Only few countries are doing well with their big population,maybe even only China,big population is very difficult to manage, the best countries all have small population, maybe except China and japan

MrBrownJay1:
the little available for the masses? you mean AFTER these polithieves have looted the country's coffers? BWAAAAAAAAAH! look at how much money is wasted to pay for these criminals 1st, and compare that with how much is spent on politicians around the world. so in your own mind Nigeria is a poor country with no money to cater for the population abi?! i guess the ₦29 Trillion made in 2029 from the oil sector only is certainly not enough to better the lives of Nigerians, and only enough to buy new presidential jets, refurbished vice president residence and/or buy bulletproof tyres, abi?

the money that is wasted to take care of these elected officials is also a big factor as to why you may believe that Nigeria doesnt have money to better the lives of Nigerians for the past 60yrs.

- so what you are telling us is that because Nigerians are +200m today, the Nigerian gov cannot fix the powerplants in the country?
- so what you are telling us is that because Nigerians are +200m today, the Nigerian gov cannot fix the high inflation, yeye exchange rate policies or removal of fuel subsidy that made MORE Nigerians poorer, thank to higher price of goods in the country?
- so what you are telling us is that because Nigerians are +200m today, the Nigerian gov cannot fix the rampant insecurity in the country?
- so what you are telling us is that because Nigerians are +200m today, the Nigerian gov cannot fix the yeye healthcare/education sector in the country?

The NIGERIAN government will never do what the citizens want or deserve as long as there are masses of poor illiterates to sustain them in power

danvon:
Macedonia was a city in Greece, Sparta, Athens, Thebes were cities in Greece too, it was Alexander the Great that unified Greece to fight against the Persians.

He never acted as the emperor of Greece though,each state had their systems

aribisala0:
I was not there so I cannot remember
It is a notion you like
There us no evidence this is true
Even if it is true in one clan was it true everywhere?
Are Igbos the same?
What i can remember because I have witnessed is OSU CASTE SYSTEM
such a system contradicts your claim and is inconsistent with democracy

My point

These are just rhetoric to make yourself feel good

Everyone will like to see a beauty when they look in a mirror

OSU system was a system that was later misunderstood and corrupted,it didn't start as a discriminatory system

Factcheck0001:
oga keep quiet there n stop justifying madness

Where was it done all over d world?

If it was done all over d world, did mary slessor come from heaven?

I mean ,others had other cruel practices too

danvon:
Alexander the Great was from where?

America had democracy sure for white men only

Alexander the great was emperor of Macedonia not Greece, Greece had fallen by his time

danvon:
Good you mentioned that Benin Monarch not the Benin Democracy shielded the people from slavery

It didn't shield the women though,

ednut1:
you are missing the point. People took slaves from other tribes and not theirs , until they can no longer access it and may turn on their own people. System of government didn’t matter.

My point is the emperor system had no advantages over the Igbo system

danvon:
Rome had Emperors, France had Emperors, Egypt had Emperors, Greece had Emperors, Britain had Kings

It was Alexander the Great who freed the Greeks from the Persians

It was Emperor Augustus Caesar who gave Rome Pax Romana.

No leader shaped the 19th and 20th century like Emperor Napoleon who brought greatness to France and defeated the ruling European powers.

Today Oyo and Benin Empire artifacts are admired and studied in British museums.

Great civilizations are founded by Great Individuals, they can be preserved by the masses but they are founded and reformed by Great Individuals.

Your 'free society' brought nothing to civilization, on the contrary 'civilization' brought a lot to your 'free society'.

Note,Greece didn't have emperors,America didn't have emperors,America and Greece dis more for civilisation than the rest

ednut1:
the major tribes were taking slaves from other places. The Fulani /hausas were taking from the middle belt and areas close to the kanuris. The Yorubas were taking from nupe, igala , dahomey and nearby tribes including Yoruba speaking that were not under oyo. But when wars happened the strong major tribes became weak and fell victims to slavery themselves. When the oyo empire fell former victims of oyo slavery like the Dahomey began to take slaves from oyo empire. Benin didn’t fall to slavery because they they had a wall to protect them and were defeated by any of their neighbours.

Form of government then was irrelevant.

You are quite wrong,the Hausa's were mostly victims of slavery from early in their history, the Hausa's were sold by the jukuns or kwararafas ( it's recorded in Kano chronicles), not until the 19th century did the Fulani gain power and started taking slaves from the middlebelt through the Nupe, the Nupe themselves at various times enslaved the Yorubas and vice versa,oyo power did not reach towards the eastern axis around igala area,the Ibadan's were the ones that stretched East due to gun supply from europeans

aribisala0:
It is Good to make yourself feel goid but not to tell lies

Historically there is nothing like an Igbo democracy . It did not exist
They were a clan based firest dwelling people and there were many clans
There was no universal system
A few clans had Kings most did not
The majority were oligarchies dominated by TITLED men with no role for women
Women were chattels of men and hadn't inheritance rights .
Slavery was permitted and indeed a man could become his biological brother's slave or lose his children to his brother if his brother paid bride price on his behalf as a loan and he could not pay back


No insult just Historical reality and so pushing this narrative of democracy or republicanism is honest self-deception

Government was by the rich and powerful

Remember anybody could be rich and powerful and rise up the ladder,unlike monarchial emperors who were mostly hereditary.

ednut1:
So who fought the

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aro-Ibibio_Wars

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo%E2%80%93Igala_wars

Without strength in numbers many igbos towns/ villages minus aros were easy pickings for slavery .

Ibadan was a military town, non monarch. They still waged wars on the ekiti and others.

Ibadan was formed in the 19th century from victims of wars( refugees)

ednut1:
So who fought the

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aro-Ibibio_Wars

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo%E2%80%93Igala_wars

Without strength in numbers the igbos minus aros were easy pickings for slavery

No one wasn't easy pickings for SLAVERY, the Hausa's even far from the coast were sold by their own LORDS to slavery first to Arabs and later to the coast,Yorubas also fell to SLAVERY by their own hands with constant instability and wars in their polity.only BENIN were somewhat shielded from slavery ,only due to their monarchs disposition to SLAVERY otherwise they too would have been victims,so in all emperor system was no BETTER

tensazangetsu20:
This isn't true. Mexico isn't far ahead of all of latin america. Mexico isn't better than Chile, argentina, Uruguay or Panamá. Mexico is somewhat in the middle especially with regards to quality of life.

But don't you see the population parameters?
These countries you mentioned have very small populations except Argentina which too is comparatively small.population factor goes a long way in determining quality of life

NaMe4:
How come Igbos made up the highest number of slaves from West Africa?
And you claim citizens of empires or kingdoms were slaves?

I mentioned the Aro system, which later crept up and failed them,but the Yorubas equally had high numbers sold to SLAVERY, likewise the Hausas.

The monarchial emperor system was no BETTER

danvon:
Twins were not considered abominations in Yoruba land and Human sacrifice was abolished centuries in most Western cultures and even among Fulanis. Mind you they didn't have the superior democracy.

If you committed the same crimes everyone without 'Ancient Democracy' are commiting then why would you claim to be better than them

It was simply a better ideology because it allowed people to live more freely,this is based on the fact that igbos are mocked for not having supposed "statehood" with emperors.

Human sacrifice was not stopped in yorubaland or Benin till the 19th century.

If you know the real act's of the emperors you'll hate them.

Research on the life and times of say the oyo rulers you'll understand my point of view BETTER.

Most of them ruled with gross impunity, though there were checks,but it didn't stop their gross impunity

danvon:
Ancient Democracy where Twins were considered abominations

Ancient Democracy where certain people were labelled Osus.

Ancient Democracy where women were pursued from her husband's house if she didn't have a son.

Ancient Democracy where sick people were labelled cursed.

It was the times,things like this were done all over the world, even the whites considered as who some considered as having developed systems were burning women on stakes accused of witchcraft

Factcheck0001:
the so Igbos that were so disorganized n disoriented that the white came n gave them warrant chiefs?

The same Igbos that lack unity that small tribes capture them n take them as slaves?

Go n read Reno omokri expose about it n u will b ashamed of yourself

How organised were the other tribes,eg the Yoruba who fought 16 years civil war,destroying their own peoples?

Prior to that they collapsed their own so called empire oyo and became refugees in Ibadan and Abeokuta.

The Yorubas were also massively sold as slaves despite their emperors

People talk about oyo empire, Benin empire ,Sokoto emirate and mock the Igbo for not having emperors.
The simple truth is that the quality of life and freedom the ancient igbos enjoined likewise minority tribes, without emperors was superior to states with emperors.

The masses of the oyo,Benin,Fulani etc were more or less SLAVES serving their emperors,while the igbos largely lived a more free and independent life.

There were less wars in ancient Igbo land because they didn't have kings,kings were the major proponents and propagators of wars,enabling them to live a more decent ,organised and peaceful live.

Though the Aro system ruined things for the Igbo,if not they wouldn't have fallen victim to slavery.

The Yoruba suffered from successive constant wars because of the very oyo empire they hold dear.

The hausa-fulani were basically slaves in all their history due to their kings and later Fulani emirs.

Kingless societies were better societies,ask the anioma who resisted slavery and resisted the British the longest in Nigeria.

Melore:
Frankly speaking most comments and reactions I read on this naira land just proves to me that most Nigerians are MUGUS. You all keep haunting Tinubu. Since the military era and even to the era of democracy which the North has dominated, what has Nigeria been, what achievements were made. It was all about the North enriching themselves, looting the national treasury with impunity and insanity.
Tinubu is taking total control of critical sectors of this countries economy because he wants to restore it back to normalcy and proper functioning.
Tinubu is in total control of Lagos State, are u all blind to see what Lagos has become and still achieving.
Be rest assured my comment has nothing to do with ethnicity or sort, am just trying to let some of u know that getting unreasonably negative wouldn't change anything. We are all in this mess we find ourselves as a country. But we mustn't be so negative.
Individual speaking now, if u were tinubu( as in the president of Nigeria today) are u telling me that what u would do as a president is to hand over critical positions to people you cannot trust or you don't have a solid history and relationship with.
Make una give una set brain even while criticising whatever the government must have done wrong. Make e no come be say na SAPA de detail our reasoning.
I come in peace

As far as Lagos is concerned, LAGOS is simply nothing to write home about,it's all cosmetics

MrBrownJay1:
bro, you are not making any sense whatsoever.... what does the population of Nigeria got to do with leaders doing their job (aka to better Nigeria)?! whether Nigerian population is at 50m, 250m or 1billion, these leaders should make sure there is constant electricity in the country; there are jobs and structure in place to make the life of Nigerians better etc. so you think all the stolen/looted 100s of billions of $$$ yearly cannot fix Nigeria? saying "because there is so many Nigerians thats why NOTHING is done", is a joke. nothing will be done even if there was only 50m Nigerians because these leaders and their political mafia are not in power to help Nigerians, they are in power to help THEMSELVES and their own political mafia croonies.

- in 1960 when the population was 50m, they did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR NIGERIA/NIGERIANS!!!
- in 1980 when the population was 70m, they did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR NIGERIA/NIGERIANS!!!
- in 2000 when the population was 120m, they did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR NIGERIA/NIGERIANS!!!
- in 2020 when the population was 200m, they did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR NIGERIA/NIGERIANS!!!
... what makes you think that A) the problem is the population or B) that if the growth of the population suddenly stops, it will change anything?!

but here is the only thing that has improved all these years.....THE WEALTH OF THESE POLITHIEVES AND THEIR CROONIES!

The politicians have no capacity to do these things, what will work is reducing population so the little available for the masses can go a long way in their lives,then break the poverty cycle.as long as population increases, the poverty circle will increase because the politicians aka leaders are not going to change anytime soon

Benwallt:
What's the industrial capacity of your father? Zero. Shut da ell up

It's not zero oo,there's industrial capacity

This indicates Nigeria has zero industrial capacity.

MrBrownJay1:
the rate of the poplation and/or poor people having children is NOT the problem of Nigeria, getting rid of the yeye leaders who dont invest in the future of Nigeria IS the only problem... Nigeria is a rich fertile country but saddled with yeye leaders. the minute you get proper leaders that understand the problem and invest towards solving it, then Nigeria can even have 1Billion population.

all the money wasted on private jets, and polithieves salaries and yeye foreign loans to enrich these bastards in power could solve Nigeria's problem OVERNIGHT! sadly, what you now have is leaders who are selling off Nigeria bit by bit and its the future generations that will have to pay for it (whether Nigeria has the current population or is only 50m).

EXAMPLE: everything that Tinubu did to enrich his family and Oando plc should have been done to enrich NIGERIA.... but sadly, these people dont give a flying fukc about Nigeria so what they instead do is taking for themselves what should belong to Nigeria and even when they leave government they will still profit from their looting (for the next 10 generations) while the Nigerian population suffers til eternity and sings allelujah every sunday in church!

NIGERIANS DESERVE THE HELL THEY ARE GETTING.... YOU KEEP VOTING THESE SAME YEYE BASTARDS POLITHIEVES (from these same political mafias) IN GOV AND DO NOTHING WHEN THEY FUKC YOU RAW

Nigeria cannot get good leaders with a increasingly poor population, they'll keep voting in bad leaders. Poverty also produces low IQ illiterates that sustains the evil leaders,it's a chicken and egg situation

Fejoku:
Second republic or not, point out the policies Ekwueme as the minister of economic affairs enacted that was specified specifically and exclusively for Igbos to help them recover and do better than others during his 5yrs stint. If you fail to provide these specific policies with media publications to back it up, you owe Igbos an apology and thereafter, you should take down this useless thread.

I did not say the policy was exclusively for igbos,I said he encouraged igbos through his policies, by de- emphasising local production for imports,which the igbos were poised to take advantage of

That is the only solution, no other option.
The hausa-fulani must be curtailed, likewise the Yoruba and Igbo.These 3 tribes produce nothing but children.

I dnt really know how population growth can be quickly curtailed.

But a way as to be found,to save the black race.

The black race as too many bottom feeders available, it's been that way from time immemorial. That's why the black race was always bottom and used as SLAVES.

The only remedy is to reduce the bottom feeders by preventing poor people from producing kids.

Fejoku:
When did Alex Ekwueme become Vice-President? 1979.
How long did he last in that position? <<5yrs.
How influential is the position of VP in the Nigerian government? Less than 10% influential especially when the president is available and active all through the duration of his tenure.
Therefore, accrediting the recovery and excellence of Ndigbo mostly to the influence of Late.Dr Alex Ekwueme is a gross understatement of the resilience and goal getter spirit of Ndigbo as a people.
Anyway, whatever rocks the boat of the author of this thread should be left to continue rocking him.

This was the 2nd Republic, things were different from this current democratic dispensation, the VP was made to be directly in charge of economic affairs