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IMEI:
They did when the opportunity came through John Wick and that's the point. They have bite now with John Wick and John's more formidable with an army

if they were as powerful as you claimed. Why didn't they do anything before?

ShaqFu:
John Wick is being hunted by every or almost all the assassin under the table and you want him to go around trying to confirm a myth?

Mr Nobody is clearly a tracker. That scrap book of his is what he uses to track John Wick, period.

1. He had contacts that he had no issues meeting even while being hunted...
So being hunted is no excuse...in fact it's a very compelling reason to try to confirm every possible way to achieve his freedom


So he tracked John Wick with scribbles in a book?
Wow...peak writing here
Maybe the book has the "God's eye" from fast and furious

jikins:
Looking at things from your perspective there wont be a John Wick 1. Its as simple as that.

I am not arguing plot convenience with you. And I have said it was never mentioned how Mr Nobody tracked Wick multiple times. So what else do you want to talk about? Was I in the writer's room or I am not understanding. My point was to explain why the Marquis agreed to the duel. I believe I have established that any other point I leave it to the house.

honestly I'm responding to so many people that I can't keep track of what you said about the duel...

I have no idea what you said

MetroLane:
Aren't you leaving out the part where Mr Nobody told Marquis to increase the bounty price after John saved his dog?

Abi no be you talk am before?

that was an error on my part. And I edited it moments later...

Unlike you that won't admit your errors even when I bring proof


It still doesn't change the fact that Mr Nobody is a mere plot convenience...

The writers didn't even bother to reveal how he tracked John Wick...

Although clearly, John Wick was easy to track since they were always tracking him in Chapter 3

But Me Nobody's special method was never revealed

Again...a can of worms

jikins:
Thats fine doesn't really change my whole point does it?

So let's talk about how exactly did Mr Nobody track Wick?

The movie never answered that...yet it's supposedly the final movie...
This clearly supports my statement that Mr Nobody is a mere plot convenience


As for the dog, you made that a subjective thing as I'm looking at things objectively.

MetroLane:
Can we talk about how you twisted the story to suit your narrative?

You think I'll let that slide for the second time?

what twist?

Mr Nobody had no choice but to kill Wick after he was threatened...
But yet during the poker game he kept saving Wick

He even saved Wick during the journey to the duel venue to increase his bounty?
Then later decided to kill Wick
Then he chose to save Wick again after Wick saved his dog from the situation he put the dog in

jikins:
I believed I stated it clearly that he never said how he tracked John? If he did maybe I wasn't paying attention

Mr Nobody wasn't threatened by the Marquis to kill John. Marquis told him if he wanted to get paid, kill John. Mr Nobody didnt go in wanting to kill John. Rather since he is a good tracker he wanted to take advantage of the situation to get paid without actually having to kill John. Thats what he offered the Marquis. After the Marquis forced his hand, he almost killed John in Berlin but Cain stopped him. After the duel was agreed his services were no longer needed so he made sure his services would be needed and did what every right thinking business man will do at that point raise the price.

For the dog thing, its not something you will understand if you dont have a pet you really like. Heck it was the death of John's dog that started this whole madness. So with that has a precedence I see no reason why he wont let John live because of that one act of kindness. Also factoring the fact he could have killed Mr Nobody there too but instead saved his dog. And if you watched closely on the stairs Mr Nobody was still conflicted, it was his dog's face that pushed him over the edge to let John be.

I've actually edited what you quoted to add and rearrange stuff

@bolded---- Mr Nobody was threatened...
That is fact

Proof below:

ShaqFu:
how would the manager of the Osaka continental know about the rule? He didn't know or even bother to know. If he knew how would the rule favour him. He stood for his friend/brother, that's what matters.

Mr Nobody didn't know about the rule. He was trying to kill John Wick and anybody who will stop him from collecting the bounty on John wick's head. In helping John Wick he got to the church and know what was happening.

Dude, do you have stone or bricks inside your head? I told you John Wick have heard of High Table duels but considered it a myth. It's there in the movie, or did you watch the John Wick chapter 4 on camrip?

I ask again, which version of John Wick chapter 4 did you watch?

You didn't watch where he went to ask Winston who owned the crest in the suit of the men he killed, and when Wisnton told him, he turned round to go and kill the Marquis until Winston asked him to what end? That if he kills the Marquis, he will be replaced sooner than later...

Bro when you watch movies, please try and listen to the dialogue, don't just focus on peesun peesun alone.

1. John Wick clearly knew about the rule...but he thought it was a mere rumour...
And he didn't bother to try to confirm a rule that could literally save his life...

2. Mr Nobody is present in literally all the situations...he certainly seemed to know about it...that's how he knew John would contact the Roma family to make use of the rule

MetroLane:
Oga stop twisting the story to suit your narrative.

He had already asked for more before John saved his dog

Why una too like to dey lie for film wey everybody watch sef......

It's not hard to see why he had a change of heart, letting the Marquis live by killing John will only result in him being the puppet, and Mr Nobody is a freelancer who doesn't owe loyalty to anybody.

Even Caine told him that taking a deal with the High Table isn't worth it.

Which other explanation you dey find.

after he was blackmailed and threatened by the Marquis, he had no choice but to kill Wick...

He even competed in a game of Poker for the right to kill Wick...
But still chose to keep saving Wick...

What a confused Character

IMEI:
John Wick alone had the High Table on edge, John now with the Roma and potentially the bowery king and his soldiers?

I can see why the High Table wouldn't want that

why didn't Roma do anything after Pyotr was killed?

They were toothless and quiet

So why would the High Table fear them

jikins:
I can't speak to chapter 3 as I have forgotten what happened there. But in chapter 4 its very clear how they found him at Osaka. Cain didn't know about the bowery king. I am guessing base on how the movie went so no, Cain won't have been able to locate him after Osaka. Only Mr Nobody could track him somehow, how though he never said.

Mr Nobody didn't always know where John was. To claim otherwise is just a total disregard as to what you just watched. By extension same can be said of the Marquis. I don't like repeating myself. I have already established why the Marquis agreed to the duel. Go back and challenges the points there or lets move on.

I also don't remember too much of chapter 3 but I recall they had no problem tracking Wick

how did Mr Nobody track John Wick?
There seems to be no confirmed sequel...so what is the answer?

Are we back to Mr Nobody being a mere plot convenience?

1. Mr Nobody tracks Wick but refuses to kill him and instead saves him cos his bounty is too small

2. Mr Nobody was threatened by the Marquis to kill John Wick....and he has no choice but to kill Wick

3. Mr Nobody then competed with Killa and Caine in a Poker game for the right to kill John Wick.

4. Next thing he's actively saving John Wick again.

5. Then he tries to kill John Wick again, but Wick defeats him but saves his dog...and Mr Nobody is grateful

6. Then he later chooses to save Wick and not kill him because Wick earlier saved his dog


Mr Nobody is a prime example of a confused character that serves no purpose except as a plot convenience...
He motives are constantly changing to a point he's practically comical as a character

MetroLane:
Well I look at it from this perspective.

Mr Nobody doesn't want to kill John Wick because the price is not yet right, and he also wants to prevent anyone from Killing John Wick for a lesser price.

He doesn't owe his allegiance to anyone, money is his only motivation. Marquis made him swear his loyalty with the knife and all, but when the time came, he still asked for more money.

I think Mr Nobody's purpose is to prevent John from dying, to him he might be waiting for when the price is right, but by doing so, he was keeping John Alive long enough for him to face off with the Marquis.

It would've been ridiculous for John to survive that road fight all by himself, I think that's where Mr Nobody comes in.

And John had the opportunity to kill Mr Nobody, but chose to save his dog, Mr Nobody has no personal beef with John, so at that point, it's fair for him to stop trying to kill John.

You might not see it, but Mr Nobody's purpose was to keep John Alive long enough, and I'm not sure he even realized that that's what he was doing.

so Mr Nobody chose to let Wick walk free and ignored over $26m after spending months tracking Wick...because Wick saved his dog from the same situation he led his dog to?

Quite ironical since even after his dog was saved, he kept pushing the Marquis to increase the bounty...which put John Wick in even more trouble than before...

If you're so grateful to someone for saving your dog that you'd walk away from over $20m...
Then why do you keep pushing for his bounty to be increased so that even more bounty hunters will be after him?

Thank you for opening another can of worms

IMEI:
Pyotr was killed in retaliation for John killing the Elder. John killed Killa, the killer of Pyotr as revenge and to allow John challenge and kill the Marquis via a duel by allowing him rejoin them

Clearly, the Roma are defiant and are willing to risk the face-off with the High Table

The Roma are under the Table, but it is a whole lot complicated with Wick being an official member, as that would mean declaring the entire Roma excommunicado for re-accepting Wick if the duel is refused

why should the High Table have an issue declaring the entire Roma family excommunicado?

The Marquis they appointed killed Pyotr and nothing happened...they were even powerless to retailiate until John Wick did...

So why should the Marquis have problem with them?

IMEI:
Exactly, he would have died if not for Caine and nobody because the route John would have to take was known and it was lined up with assassins

John Wick would have died even if there was no duel...

The duel was his last hope for survival

jikins:
They tracked him in Osaka after involving Caine. Who knew John and his friends. Thats not hard to figure out. If they didn't have a problem why will Mr Nobody offer such a large amount and why will the Marquis waste his time meeting him?

how did they track him throughout Chapter 3?

And if they had Caine and Mr Nobody to keep tracking him what was the point of accepting the duel?

ShaqFu:
You like to dribble alot whenever hard fact is shoved down your throat. How did Mr Nobody know about the rule? Wasn't it the same Mr Nobody that tried to kill John but stopped because John Wick saved his dog?

How did everyone know about the rule, didn't you watch were the head of the Ruska Roma (the woman) didn't even know about High Table duels until the priest explained it to her? And you're here saying everybody knows about the rule.

John Wick have heard of High Table duels but thought it a myth until Winston told him it's a fact. If Winston had not told him about it and how to go about it, would he have known what to do.

Stop this nonsense you always like to do in this thread. I'm getting convinced you just watch movies for nothing more than peesun peesun and to argue blindly.

you have not answered why the manager of the Osaka Continental knew about the rule

Or how Mr Nobody knew about it. What does John Wick saving Mr Nobody's dog have to do with him knowing about the rule?

Or answered why John Wick knew about a rule that could save him, while running around like a headless chicken...but despite his connections, he ignored it without confirming it and thought it was a myth?
What?

Instead of running around like a headless chicken, why didn't John Wick use his connections to find out if the rule was true...since he has heard about it...and he was looking for a way out?

IMEI:
That's why i said accepting the duel will draw him out and refusing would risk Wick going to the Roma and being protected by them

The Roma gave John the ability to challenge for a duel and accepted him into their fold despite him being excommunicado was a crime by High Table rules

The fact that the Roma accepted Wick back despite their member being punished in part 3(the lady whose hands were impaled by zero) for giving audience to Wick, meant that the Roma were willing to face the High table

John had to leave the protection of the Roma to take part in the duel and the Roma had agreed to John risking his life in the duel. It would be a different prospect if John ran back to the Roma and they came to kill him in their territory

I don't see how the "second rate seat" could protect Wick from the High Table and the Marquis

If we recall, didn't they state that the 12 members of the High Table delegated power to the Marquis?

I think you're overestimating the Roma family.
They admitted they were still under the table.


The Marquis also killed Pyotor and they could do nothing to him...

So what makes you think they could protect John Wick?

jikins:
Yet the Marquis offered Mr Nobody 23 million to find him after Osaka. Why do you think he rescinded his offer after the duel was agreed on only to offer it again when it seems his assassins would fail?

plot convenience?
They had no problem finding Wick in Chapter 3...
They had no problem tracking Wick to the Osaka Continental

They had thousands or even millions of assassins all over the world, on literally every street looking for John Wick...
John Wick made no effort to hide his face...

I don't think Mr Nobody was needed at all...his entire existence in the movie is pointless

jikins:
Exactly thats the point of him accepting the duel. I mean its not rocket science. Accepting the duel gave the many assassins location and the exact time he will be there.

Increasing the chances of success as opposed to blindly looking for him. Or waiting for John to come for him. Take a breath and think it over. Its not hard.

I think I've established that they never had a problem finding John Wick's whereabouts...

MetroLane:
shebi you say you ask rhetorical question?

Ehn this one sef na rhetorical answer.....


You think say na only you Sabi twist words.

You asked a question that's very useless when placed side by side with the original plot of the movie. I catch you, you dey tell me say na rhetorical question.

the question by it's wording was clearly rhetorical...

You're the only one switching up and down

jikins:
You need to know how to differentiate who you are talking with.

And I am not talking about the outcome for John. I am talking about the reasoning of the Marquis. Its not that hard. He doesn't want to risk dieing. Because that's what would have 100% happened if he refused the duel. Accepting the duel was his was to control the situation.

I disagree...

John Wick was more likely to die than the Marquis...
He had thousands of assassins ready to kill Wick...
He kept increasing the bounty...
In fact Wick would have died if not for help from Caine and Mr Nobody...
Wick would have died on his way to the venue

MetroLane:
Wow this Guy......

You've already asked this question before I made mention of Arrogance....

This your lie no work abeg.........

it's still a rhetorical question...

My stance has never changed on whether he could refuse the duel...

You're the one who keeps changing stance every minute...
Before you said he could refuse but didn't refuse cos of arrogance...
Now you're saying he couldn't refuse

jikins:
That's because you are only looking at it from one way.

You seem to have forgotten what John told Winston before he brought up the Duel. He's plans were to kill the Marquis and every member of the high table. Dude will just go on picking them off one by one. In the end the 100% guaranteed success won't be anything more than - 1%. Accepting the duel was how the Marquis could have full control of the outcome. The alternative was open to wider array of uncertainty. And it was a sound plan. That did work in the end. If only he had shown more restraint. The high table would have been licking his ass now.

and Winston too knew it was a dûmb idea that would obviously fail and John Wick would die...that's why he told Wick about the duel

So yeah...it's more of a 100% chance that Wick would be killed without the duel...same way killing the Marquis normally would have changed nothing just like killing the Elder changed nothing



Now wait...what are you all jumping around?
First you guys said the Marquis had a choice, later you said he didn't have a choice...now again, he had a choice to accept or refuse the duel?


Which is it exactly?

Beorn:
This is one annoying thing I dislike in the franchise. They need to stop because it's getting ridiculous. They'd just stick to the insane car skills and chases and leave that resssurecrion of dead characters alone.

y'all said we shouldn't criticize anything about it's plot or story because it's supposed to be pure action and no sense....

So why are you criticizing bringing back dead characters?

Let them bring back all the dead characters or turn them to aliens...afterall it's supposed to be a dûmb fun movie...so we cannot say it makes no sense

MetroLane:
Abi no be you ask this question again.

If you already know he can't refuse, then why you dey ask this question?

I asked a rhetorical question because you said he didn't refuse the duel out of arrogance...

MetroLane:
More likely to accept than refuse because of his arrogance, how does that translate to he can refuse.

you clearly stated that he's an arrogant man...that that's why he didn't refuse

MetroLane:
Asking why the Marquis didn't refuse the challenge, well it's quite obvious he's an arrogant man and he's more likely to accept than refuse the challenge. He let his arrogance stand in the way of sound reasoning.

You basically implied that he could have refused the duel if he wasn't arrogant

MetroLane:
Is your brain paining you? Where did I say he could refuse?

Go and dig it out I'd like to see.

okay...
Who posted this then?
@bolded:

Is this your alter ego:

MetroLane:
It's only those whose families sit at the table that can challenge the Marquis to a duel. So a random person can't just wake up one morning, kill everybody in his village and look for a way out by challenging the Marquis to a duel.

Asking why the Marquis didn't refuse the challenge, well it's quite obvious he's an arrogant man and he's more likely to accept than refuse the challenge. He let his arrogance stand in the way of sound reasoning.

Secondly, John was always on the move, and tracking him wasn't the easiest thing for the Marquis, I guess he wanted John in a fixed location, where John can't pull off any surprise attack on them, and if John doesn't show up to that location, it's game over, hence he tried to stop him from getting there.

Did you see the speed at which he collected the gun from Caine in other to end John's life without even considering the fact that John hasn't shot the third time. It was his plan all along, arrogance over sound reasoning and it led to his death.

If he had calculated well it might have ended in his favor. Afterall Winston told John that it's win or lose. Neither is certain for both parties, the outcome might go either way.

I didn't know two people were using the same account and username to argue with me
Maybe you are twins

MetroLane:
Any sane person will choose Option 1.

The problem is option 1 doesn't exist, no need of dwelling there.

Option 2 makes the playground Level. Even both of them could lose their lives, in that case, good riddance.


The High Table made the Rule, not Winston.

why does option 1 not exist?

I thought you said he could refuse...but his pride made him accept the duel


Now you're changing your opinion and saying that the High Table forced the Marquis to accept the duel?

Isn't this you below?: @bolded

MetroLane:
It's only those whose families sit at the table that can challenge the Marquis to a duel. So a random person can't just wake up one morning, kill everybody in his village and look for a way out by challenging the Marquis to a duel.

Asking why the Marquis didn't refuse the challenge, well it's quite obvious he's an arrogant man and he's more likely to accept than refuse the challenge. He let his arrogance stand in the way of sound reasoning.

Secondly, John was always on the move, and tracking him wasn't the easiest thing for the Marquis, I guess he wanted John in a fixed location, where John can't pull off any surprise attack on them, and if John doesn't show up to that location, it's game over, hence he tried to stop him from getting there.

Did you see the speed at which he collected the gun from Caine in other to end John's life without even considering the fact that John hasn't shot the third time. It was his plan all along, arrogance over sound reasoning and it led to his death.

If he had calculated well it might have ended in his favor. Afterall Winston told John that it's win or lose. Neither is certain for both parties, the outcome might go either way.

MetroLane:
oga go and read your previous comments .

And yes, it was pride, pride of being the one who killed John Wick, otherwise he wouldn't have rushed to collect the gun from Caine.

pride did not make him accept...I literally posted screenshots here to refute that...


My previous comments are that the Marquis had no choice but to accept the duel...you said he had a choice but he accepted the duel cos of pride....

The real answer is that the story actually doesn't state whether the Marquis can refuse or not...we can only deduce it...


But one thing is for certain...it had absolutely nothing to do with pride...the conversation between Winston and the Marquis shows pride had nothing to do with it

IMEI:
It was his best bet of killing Wick and being the one who goes down as ending John Wick

if he refused the duel (assuming he could refuse)...he would certainly kill John Wick without the risk of Wick winning the duel and walking away a free man...

So why would he leave an option with 100% guaranteed success for one with a 50% guaranteed success?

IMEI:
the Marquis had little choice as soon as he accepted to act on behalf of the High Table concerning Wick, not because of the duel

You forget that John was no longer a refugeless fugitive on the run, he now had the allegiance of the Ruska Roma, who are bound to protect and avenge him in case of his killing. The best bet fot the Marquis was to draw him out using the duel and try to kill him like he did, if he had turned down the duel, John would have returned to stay with the Ruska Roma which could risk igniting a war with the High Table if they tried to assassinate him while in their custody

Like Winston reminded the Marquis, he's also under the Table

The same Ruska Roma was referred to as a second-rate seat by the Marquis

The Marquis assassinating John Wick cannot lead to a war with the high table...
If so...then why did the Marquis send people to kill Wick on his way to the venue of the duel?

The High Table is actively against John Wick for his crimes...being under the protection of one family does not stop them from assassinating him