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Baddestguyp:
Another short thread on the interpretation and depth of an AOT panel


In chapter 139, in response to why he started the rumbling, Eren said "I don't know why, but I wanted to...at any cost"
This is juxtaposed with the panel after Eren's birth where Grisha says to Eren : "Eren, you are Free"

Wrong interpretation 1 : Eren doesn't know why he did the Rumbling ❌

Wrong interpretation 2: Grisha's manipulation led Eren to do the Rumbling ❌


Correct interpretation in my opinion:
There is a reason why both scenes were juxtaposed. That is, in order to answer the question in the same panel.

We know for a fact that the Attack Titan can see memories of its future inheritors. And as such the future inheritors can use these memories it shows to manipulate the past users. It is even more effective when it is founder + attack

The Attack Titan's nature is a manifestation of Eren's innate obsession with freedom

Kruger stated that every past user of the Attack Titan has always had that obsession to fight against oppression. And it was revealed later in the paths plottwist that this obsession was as a result of Eren's ideology of freedom passing across time to past users -
So the reason the past users of the Attack Titan were that way was because of Eren's Will

At the time of Eren's birth, Grisha was a holder of the Attack Titan and as a result was affected by Eren's will.
Basically, Grisha saying to Eren: "Eren, you are free" is more or less future Eren reinforcing his freedom belief on his child self


Thus, the panel means that despite all the various reasons Eren started the rumbling e.g ending the Titan Curse, or saving his friends...
The main reason that enforced Eren into starting the rumbling was his "IDEOLOGY OF FREEDOM"
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This answer has even been reinforced in the latest episode's flashback where Eren broke down and told Ramzi about his disappointment of learning the true state of the outside world and how it contradicts the dream of the world he shared with Armin through Armin's book

@ predestin

I wrote a little about this a couple of weeks ago when I analyzed a panel from the manga

@ predestin

I've summarized the best I could. If I decide to write more, I'll probably fill the next 3 pages on top the Character of Eren.

There are too many layers to his character. I could literally analyze every panel of the manga that shows about his character

From Season 1-3, most people simply viewed Eren as a less interesting character who was obsessed with his hatred for the Titans.
But Isayama wrote it so masterfully that by season 4, everything that had been set up regarding his character began to bear fruit

That is why I and many others always recommend watching AOT a bare minimum of twice or 3 times.

There's a reason why people used to think Eren changed in season 4, but when they rewatch, they realize that he has been the same from the start. Even the character said so himself

Watching AOT once, you haven't watched the show...ask any AOT fan they'll tell you the same.
It's cos if it's circular writing

If you want more...
Here is a video...but it's almost 2 hours long...
I personally didn't even watch it fully since I already understood his character

It contains manga ending spoilers so...

Predestin:
You recommended AOT to me few months back, Great show i must say, i do not thing Eren is complex at all, He is a product of his upbringing his character is quit predictable IMO, Two characters kept me glued to the show Levi and Mikasa. But Sha i will never love AOT as you do, so Far Transevania is My GOAT

another false note again

Levi and Mikasa are good characters and it's cool to love them. Levi is even a fan favorite.

However they are nowhere near the best written characters of the show. Every AOT fans know that

Levi probably might not make top 10 best written characters in the show.
Mikasa has her character growth and development stunted with her being caged by her love for Eren. Her character growth being stunted for most part is due to plot reasons tho that ties in with the ending of the manga.
It's spoilers so I won't say

@ predestin


Basically Eren's primary goal is to:

1. Achieve his childish desire for freedom

Secondary goals:

2. Have his friends live long lives
3. End the Titan Curse by freeing Ymir

Tertiary goal:

4. Give Paradis a chance to have a future

Eren's desire for freedom supercedes everything else to the point he became a slave to that desire.

Kenny in season 3 said: "Everyone is a slave to something"
And this includes Eren

That is why Armin asks him: "Eren, in what way are you free"


*I am trying so hard not to include manga spoilers if not i would talk about how and why Eren has been pushing his friends away...
Or how broken he is knowing his fate, and yet doing nothing to change that fate... because he believes that path leads to what he desires the most


Typing....

@ predestin

Now let's talk about his goals...I'll try not to spoil the manga ending

Some people believe that Eren had no choice to his actions or that the world he was born in was the cause of it. You included.
Totally false.


The character himself stated it. He stated it when confessing to Ramzi that simply knowing that humans existed outside the world drove him to want to wipe them away.
The existence of humans outside the world went against his dreams and beliefs since he was born. The fact that they exist and especially because of the way they do, meant he could never be free.

That is why he talked about recreating that sight from Armin's book. The world was not the way he wanted, so being a slave to his innate desire/belief, he chose to create the world he wanted.

That is the primary reason he started the rumbling. All other reasons are secondary reasons

Another proof that he orchestrated things is this:
Eren was one of the main reasons the Global Alliance was formed to wipe out Paradis.

Eren worked with Zeke to actively influence the Marley military to use the Tybur family to declare war on Paradis Island. Then Eren himself attacked civilians and dignitaries from around the world in order to cause the formation of the Global Alliance.

@ predestin

When Eren kissed Historia's hand, he saw his own memories and knew what he would do in future. He knew his future self would be the one to orchestrate a lot of thing... including manipulating his father Grisha to wipe out the Reiss family, steal the founder and pass it to 9 years old Eren.

He had seen his future. The AOT world has one timeline...meaning that events are set in stone. Meaning that Eren's future is set in stone.

But what makes it so? Because of Eren's will.

Could Eren have chosen a different path? Yes.
But Eren never wanted to. Simply because of one reason. "Eren is a slave to his innate desire for Freedom" and that innate desire forces him to act according to how he saw his future self do in order to achieve what he believes to be the "greatest freedom"

By season 4, Eren had stayed in Marley for about 9-10 months and knew that in Marley and even the outside world, not everyone was his enemy. There were good people like the Middle-Eastern refugees, Ramzi etc

He knew that these people would be collateral damage and they didn't deserve the carnage he would unleash against them. It broke him...but yet he still did it.

That's why he said to Reiner that he's just like him...an hypocrite. That's why he confessed and cried out to Ramzi (the person he knew didn't understand his language) that he would basically wipe everything away and kill Ramzi.
And yet he still did it. He still killed Ramzi

Predestin:
You recommended AOT to me few months back, Great show i must say, i do not thing Eren is complex at all, He is a product of his upbringing his character is quit predictable IMO, Two characters kept me glued to the show Levi and Mikasa. But Sha i will never love AOT as you do, so Far Transevania is My GOAT

the bolded is completely false imo

But maybe you can explain what you mean?

Eren is not a product of his upbringing...
That logic has been squashed several times by the show and even the character himself

Eren was born with this innate desire to be free
Eren as a character started out as a bird in a cage...he knew he wasn't free...he knew he was born behind walls, but what made him realize the extent he was caged was when he learnt more about the outside world from Armin's book. The book showed the existence of the ocean and everything the world out there had to offer

That was the moment Eren truly learnt how caged he was. At that point he believed the Titans were the only obstacle keeping him caged and he hated them so much.

Eren had the black and white view of life. He had this innate desire for freedom but that the Titans were the only thing taking away that freedom.
He has the belief that humans are supposed to be free from birth and rather than have his freedom taken away he will rather take away the freedom of his enemies
This was why at 9 years old he brutally killed the Kidnappers who kidnapped Mikasa. To him, they were no more than animals. They weren't humans.

He has the same view of Titans. However as Eren joined the scouts, he kept learning more and more about Titans. But he believed that once he reached the basement, he would get hope for freedom. He would find something that will help him and his friends live their lives freely.

Then he reached the basement and he discovered the truth of the world. He realized he and his friends would never truly be free as long as humans existed outside the walls.

Outside the walls was just a larger wall/cage

To make matters worse, the outside world was full of enemies. That was why when he reached the ocean, while others like Armin were happy because the cherished the smaller moments in life, and that they had gotten at least an achievement by reaching the ocean, Eren was not happy at all.
Instead he became darker by learning how caged he truly was and how the world seemed to exist exactly how he saw in his father's memories.

*Manga panels are read from right to left
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First poster for ‘EXPEND4BLES’.

Trailer releases tomorrow.

"Michael Keaton’s return as Batman in ‘THE FLASH’ is a delight to see but his mediocre dialogue makes him feel more like an action figure than an actual character." - Discussingfilm


"Mediocre dialogue" 💀💀💀

Critics don't like DC sha

They gave Ms Marvel 98% on RT...
But see The Flash

Hopefully the score will improve as more ratings come in

@ Blueelf

It seems this is true. I always praise Vinland, but you always diss AOT

Some Vinland Saga fans don't understand their own anime. They're doing the opposite of what their show preaches by starting wars with other fandoms

My personal take is that Thorfinn is a better person than Eren but not a better character than Eren

johnyace:
After watching manifest series finale, I feel robbed, robbed of all the hours I put into this shitty cringe fest and pointless series all in the hopes that there would be a big reveal, and everything would make sense, it's just nonsense, I am pained, I hope from doesn't end up like this.

ehya

I felt the same way after wasting my time watching about 5 seasons of The Blacklist.

Glad I quit Midway through season 5

Nickshrapnel:
Sozinn

1. Transwomen aren’t allowed to compete in women sport, World Athletic and I think the WTA too have put a stop to that.

2. Children can’t consent, parents allowing their kids go through that gender surgery stuff are just stupid.

I believe children could take hormone blockers without the consent of the parents...I don't know about surgery

But it seems now some people and even states are kicking against LGBTQ agenda on children...

Several stores advertising LGBTQ clothing for children got massive boycotts and their stocks dropped massively

Plus states like Texas seem to now be passing laws restricting children from the surgeries and all that

Blueelf:
I thought it was AOT



my guy, my guy

is AOT airing right now?

AOT isn't airing for the next few months...final episode will be like maybe November

Blueelf:
he'll end up like his father

obviously...
He's already like him sef...

Remember his father's words in season 1 about the crown?
King Sweyn said the crown has a mind of its own and has 2 orders:
To retain power and to increase power

Canute dismissed it then and asked his father if the crown commanded him to kill his own son...

Canute's Rebellion against god tho...

King of Rebellion

King Canute 🔥

Vinland Saga fans be like:

I have no enemies at all


"Who negotiates for peace by beating a man?
i've only just met you today.. we dont know each other, or bear each other any grudge.
Why should we have to beat one another? it's foolishness.
Theres absolute no reason for so many grown men to get together and shed blood. We just met today, you are not my enemies. I HAVE NO ENEMIES"

-Thorfinn Karlselfni

Rarre:
Sisu 4/10
Man was hanged over night and didn't die how did he survive the mine field, sucked someone oxygen from under water, his gold and dagger was intact after the plane crash. Those nazi's had different opportunity to kill him but!!

it was funny how the Nazis kept making the worst possible choice when trying to kill him

So many times, I was like: "just shoot this dude"

But no, they chose to stand there looking at him, or to send dogs after him at close range...or to hang him and walk away after a minute...

oyaskii:
RE:What is a Woman? 20222

if you let one in, you got to let the others in to balance the scale, but can the boat contain all without capsizing?

This docu has been heavily censored ever since it came out last year, i was lucky enough to lay my hands on it, and E.musky okayed it to be uploaded on Twitter last week and i got to see it again.

Matt walsh who did the interview spoke from a very religious and moral standpoint, and he landed some clear and rationale points, some queer folk he interviewed also spoke some "truth" that could be construed as rationale thought.

I may never fully understand the choices people make or are seemly born with, but I'm glad these choices gives them solace and relief in a world riddled with unspeakable evil and uncertainties, as long as these choices aren't breaking any fundamental human rights , so criminalization people for these choices is a No No, and African countries where the English common law is what is been practiced shouldn't be enshrined this into thier constitution, at least middle eastern countries criminalizing the Queer folks are doing so because they practice a religious law and are relatively stable enough not to need assistance from west, unlike Africa who needs Western aid, for the basic of necessities, they have no moral,social or economic high ground to be doing such.

Nigeria is a deeply religious irreligious state, There is this faux sense of morality card we play here that makes absolutely no sense to me, because there's no act of unspeakable evil or debauchery that is not in vogue here, so there's absolutely no moral right hand to play here against these folks.

Having stated that, Nigeria is still a "conservative" Nation. Extreme poverty, low level of exposure and religious fanaticism is a bad mix in accepting a new "alien" idealogy, and so the queer community might wait little while for this inclusivity they crave. i mean, the perceived "hate" is less these days, i have seen people openly saying they are a member of that community in this Lagos without repercussions, they even hold open meet and greets now.

Finally, The major fear of this inclusivity most people in this clime fear, which is also my fear also is that once one part of the community is accepted, other perversity that is straying towards borderline insanity and mental illness will want to jump on the ride of acceptance too., I mean, As open minded as i am there's no logical basis that you will tell me that you identify as a "cat" or a grown man saying he's identifying as a 6 year old girl, all in the name of been queer that i will t take such fellow serious. This is a major problem now in western clime, everybody wants acceptance, not matter how despicable it is, if you don't, you are quickly cancelled and termed an enemy of the community.

The docu is a good watch tho, gives a clear perspective on the subject matter

B+.

saw the movie since last year...no surprise it blew up during Pride month

Anyway, saw this wonderful tweet by a woman in response to the controversy

Blueelf:
Now I really want to hoot you

hoot?

Blackberry (2023).....7/10


Watching Mike talk about their signature click was so heartbreaking and pathetic to hear. I understand where he was coming from tho.

He understood tech but didn't understand the consumer market. He failed to see what consumers wanted. He failed to innovate

Blueelf:
Hi bro

the black clover to be released o netflix, is it the continuation from the last season?

Or is it a movie/filler?

I have no idea.

I don't watch Black Clover

mirinder:
I'm of the opinion that comics should be made in animation not live action

with how big comic book blockbusters have been in the box office?

BlueAngel444:
I see Ansu Fati is available, would be a good option on Madrid bench.

I am so glad Vini stepped up, if not our next season for be hell. He is our one hope in attack. If he can play 9 that would be great we just get another top winger or two

bring 60m for Ansu Fati

Devvy4:
Thank God that bastard harzard is leaving, the fool wants to just sit on the bench doing nothing

your club destroyed his career with your bad medical team and you're blaming him

Saw a thread on Twitter where people were asked their best movies of the decade.

Noticed a lot of people chose these two movies:

Aftersun (2022);
And
Decision to Leave (2022)

Never heard of Aftersun before today. Decision to Leave is great tho

Spider-man: Into the Spider-verse (2018)........ 8.7/10


Felt like it was animated right from a comic book. The style is pretty creative.
They understood the level of versatility animation grants you...and they used it to the fullest

Personally I'm not a fan of the animation style but I gotta give credit where it's due

finallybusy:
There was a teaser which came out in February or so (Invincible). My guess is late this year if not early next year. Amazing pieces take time. I can wait even till 2026. ATSV took 5 years before coming out. Avatar 2 took the longest time for a sequel. I believe the associated studios are capable of surpassing their earlier work.

I saw the teaser too with 2 characters in a restaurant

Invincible shouldn't take that long imo. The comics are over. It's just to adapt it... they're not writing a new script

Plus I doubt the animation studio working on it has any other major project they're doing. So I wonder why it's taking time?

The animation is not even spectacular...it's just good enough

finallybusy:
After watching Across The Spiderverse, I have come to the conclusion that great works of art can be improved further. Arcane season two has huge shoes to fill.

apparently it's been confirmed that season 2 isn't coming this year in order not to drop the quality.

Someone posted about it on Twitter. Looking for link for the article...maybe it contains a possible timeline.

Will be a miracle if it's released in 2024 imo...
Most likely 2025 or 2026


We're still waiting for Invincible Season 2 that was supposed to be released this year. Yet not a single trailer is out

Relates back to one of my favorite quotes by Kruger in S3 of AOT about how anyone can be a "God" or a "devil" depending on perspective

Just like how Ymir Fritz was to the Eldians and to the Marlians

Eren trending last night because of arguments about his character and some people having gross misunderstanding of him.

Eren Yeager still remains one of the most complex written characters in fiction...
Too many layers and dimensions to his character to unveil for many years to come

Labelling a character like Eren as a "good person" is a crime against his writing. Especially in a work like AOT that utilizes grey morality.
There is no simply good or bad character.