₦airaland Forum

mactao:
1. Again, you do not have any proof that money donated to churches goes directly to the GO.

2. In this case, RCCG has hundreds of thousands of members. Even if the G.O. collects money to pray for people, how many people would he do it for? Then why would people even pay offering in church when they're supposed to go straight to the G.O.?

3. [B]ANY G.O. THAT COLLECTS MONEY TO PRAY FOR PEOPLE IS NOT A MAN OF GOD!!! QUOTE ME ANYWHERE!!![/B]

R u serious or just kidding ?

Krayola2:
I have never heard any pastor explain human responsiblity towards the animal/plant world. Is that preached at your church? What are we expected to do with them. . . eat them, kill them? do they have souls?

Haba, Love your neighbor as your self, are human beings not ANIMALS,

Krayola2:
Why is everything about human beings?

Why don't we ever consider that plants and other animals, natural resources, etc have some kind or role in the "ultimate plan" (lets pretend there was one). Why are religions only concerned with humans? Why is the relationship between humans and the rest of our non-human environment hardly ever important?

If God is real, why does he/she seem to only be concerned about humans . . . does he/she value animal life? Is shooting an antelope for no good reason a sin?

God is concerned about human so that we humans can be concerned about animal.

skyone:
sorry, i think i went a little bit over the top myself but next time use something like shut up or meshonu not bastard. Anyway take care

take care too,
nwa nnem biko gbaharam, agahim emeya ozo.
ok ?

skyone:
Why the aggrevation, calling people a bastard just because of a simple post it shows how sick you are, ' only a mental humanbeing could react this way but sorry i'll have to leave you in despair

You first started it by calling me a jobless person simply because i was asking a question.

mactao:
1. commercial organization: a company or other organization that buys and sells goods, makes products, or provides services

2. commercial activity: commercial activity involving the exchange of money for goods or services.

The above definitions are from Microsoft Encarta 2009 Dictionaries.

I'm sorry, maybe there's something I'm not seeing, but how does RCCG fit any of these definitions?

Please does the number two definition above mean  one sowing a seed of faith ( money)in the life a G.O and the G.O in return prays( services) for him for divine favor ?

mactao:
So, you believe RCCG is a business. Do you have any evidence to that effect? Also, if he was a businessman, why would he choose to record the large donations of Ibru and Akingbola and not record the teeny weeny ten and five naira offerings from others? Or are those amounts too small for summing in auditing?

BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST If RCCG is not a business please what is it ?

can you define business for me ?

Pastor AIO:
Nobody ordains anybody here. This na public forum. Na the words wey dey screen you suppose to interact with. So abeg, don't worry about my congregation o!

Your sympathy is better saved for the victims of that den of thieves, aka RCCG. Please ask me to back up this statement, Challenge me.

I challenge you to back it up, how can you come up with such statement against a holy church of god like RCCG, you need to watch what you say or the wrath of god will fall upon you.

mactao:
Also, for some reason, you believe that Adeboye would keep some form of record that details every single offering and tithe by Ibru and Akingbola, because that's the only way he could pay them back their money. That's incredulous.

Why not ?, every business man keeps records at least for audit reasons or legal issues like the one on ground.

skyone:
you are jobless period

What else will a gullible brainwashed bastard like you say when you cant hide the truth that your Daddy G.O is an affiliate of some organised syndicates that has been fleecing the poor masses for long ?

First of all, go through the following article.

[b]Quote
By Ada Owojela

The sacked managing director of Oceanic Bank, Mrs. Cecilia Ibru, this afternoon surrendered herself to the officials of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commision, contrary to earlier reports that she had fled to the United States of America, through Benin Republic.

Sources told P.M.News this afternoon, that Mrs. Ibru at about 2.30 p.m reported at the EFCC headquarters in Lagos, along with five persons, effectively debunking stories that she was not in Nigeria.

Her Nigerian passport was said to have been seized when she attempted to escape from Nigeria on Monday last week, three days after she was sacked.

Operatives of the State  Security Service SSS,  foiled her first escape bid and seized her passport. She was said to have attempted to escape in a private jet owned by a top debtor of her bank.

The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC), had declared Ibru and the sacked managing director of Intercontinental Bank, Erastus Akingbola, wanted following their refusal to report to the anti-graft agency as directed.

After playing hide and seek with the EFCC, feigning illness and going to court to restrain EFCC from arresting her, she eventually surfaced today.

P.M.News also gathered  that Mrs. Ibru and  Erastus Akingbola had mounted  some pressure on the General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God, Pastor Enoch Adeboye, to ask him to intervene.

The sacking of the top five bank chiefs by the CBN, following the revelation that hundreds of billions of naira were obtained as loans from the banks and were not paid, has continued to generate ripples even as the EFCC tightens the noose on the debtors.

Already, 14 top bank executives are in EFCC’s net and may soon be arraigned in connection with the fraud they allegedly perpetrated.

This morning, officials of the EFCC in various groups also went round Lagos, in search of debtors. The deadline given them, to pay up expired yesterday.
[/b]

For years, Mrs Ibru and Mr Erastus Akingbola were busy fleecing the public in the name of running a bank, recently , Our new dynamic  CBN governor went after five of them and exposed their evil to the public, in the article above , Mrs Ibru and Mr Akingbola are requesting the chief mafia of the RCCG church ( Pastor E.A Adeboye) to[b] intervene[/b].

Of course that word intervene is quite ambiguous , it has so many meanings,
for instance,

1, It could mean, Intercede for us in prayers,
2, use your earthly connection to assist us and make judgement favor us,
3,  Return the 10% of the money we have been paying as tithes and other ones we gave you as gift as our spiritual intercessor when we were fleecing the masses,

Etc,

In any case, it is obvious that pastor Adeboye is a good share holder of the stolen money.

having that of tithes alone in mind, if the dubious bank CEOs are found guilty and are required to return their loots,
will pastor adeoye be required to return his own share of the stolen money ?
.

ogogoro:
My brother, you can verify the statement for yourself - John 3:36. I didn't say it, Jesus did.

and what makes you think Jesus Christ cant be wrong ?

Nezan:
A fool says in his heart 'there is no God'.

that is what you use to compensate your insecurity.

Honestly the woman is demanding the fulfillment of this sermon.

IF YOU DILIGENTLY PAY YOUR TITHES, OFFERINGS AND SEED OF FAITHS , THE LORD WILL PROTECT YOU AND YOUR BUSINESS FROM YOUR ADVERSARIES .

Ogaga4Luv:
[i]^{Alright then. . .}

Satanism is not evil, unless you take it in the context of the 7 Deadly Sins; but that’s looking at it from the ^{Christian perspective}, not say, an atheist’s perspective. In the Church of Satan, what is being preached is to indulge onesself and deny onesself nothing. It does not condone^{”evil acts”}, simply the satisfaction of all desires.
Much like Christianity, it is contradictory. It preaches you fulfill your desires, but does not condone, nor mandate, illegal acts or things that the general population would find immoral (human/animal sacrifice, bloodletting etc.)only when (((Ritual))) is need ,magic/Spell casting and gaining (Higher powers)).
So while people can see things as overeating, sexual pleasure and so forth as evil things, Satanism does not teach you to do things in excess. It simply says to deny onesself no pleasure. Christianity, on the other hand, denies lots of pleasure. Sex comes to mind, and masturbation. Satanism also preaches love, though it focuses on loving thyself and being what people would consider . It does not preach hate or intolerance, simply that you love yourself and give yourself all that you desire. Satan worship has been used, like other religions, as justification for harmful, immoral and illegal acts. Crusades, anyone? But that is not Satanism.
Doesn’t sound so evil when you put it like that does it. Only in a Christian god’s eyes Satanism is not evil, unless you take it in the context of the 7 Deadly Sins; but that’s looking at it from the Christian perspective, not say, an atheist’s perspective. In the Church of Satan, what is being preached is to indulge onesself and deny onesself nothing. It does not condone”evil acts”, simply the satisfaction of all desires.
Much like Christianity, it is contradictory. It preaches you fulfill your desires, but does not condone, nor mandate, illegal acts or things that the general population would find immoral (human/animal sacrifice, bloodletting etc.)
So while people can see things as overeating, sexual pleasure and so forth as evil things, Satanism does not teach you to do things in excess. It simply says to deny onesself no pleasure. Christianity, on the other hand, denies lots of pleasure. Sex comes to mind, and masturbation. Satanism also preaches love, though it focuses on loving thyself and being what people would consider “selfish”. It does not preach hate or intolerance, simply that you love yourself and give yourself all that you desire. Satan worship has been used, like other religions, as justification for harmful, immoral and illegal acts. Crusades, anyone? But that is not Satanism.
Doesn’t sound so evil when you put it like that does it. Only in a Christian god’s eyes would fulfilling all desire be wrong.

_*disclaimer*
I understand other organised religions see the things stated here as evil, but the topic was Christianity so I stayed within that sphere.

@ogaga4luv

thanks.

Ogagag4luv,

tell me more about satanism. in a new thread, title it satanism for banom.

ogogoro:
I hoped not to plonk out a Bible here, but I feel that this is relevant to this discussion. Coming from the man himself, here is what who doesn't believe in Jesus has to lose -

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him. 9John 3:36)

I guess it's up to you to compare the cons in both cases.

So you are saying that all those millions of Jews in Israel who don't believe Jesus is the son of God and they do not believe the gospel of Mohammed will all go to hell, despite being the chosen one ?

Christians and Muslims, how will you feel, if in the end there is no God, ? and all you have done in the name of God happens to be wastes and it turned out that Atheists are right .

What will you do ?

MY OWN HEAVEN IS MY BANK ACCOUNT VALUE HELD WITH GTBANK.

May kelly:
There is NO contradictions in the HOLY BIBLE.
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 1 Corinthians 14:33

Ogaga4Luv:
At this stage it is also worth noting that many Christians take it upon themselves to try and show there are no contradictions in the Bible.

A god who ^{"could not have created anything less than good"} would be incapable of creating anything _{"not good"}. A god who was capable of creating anything less than good, would not be a perfect god.

OGAGA4LUV & MAY KELLY Great couple you guys are full of bible knowledge. bravo

The contractors and the tree custodians just want to use that to make money from the government in the name of appeasing the spirit of the tree,

Perhaps , the runs could be 28 human heads or alternatively 200million naira.

To me, i believe it is very good for someone to prosper , prosperity is not about religion.

Abuzola, my man, please beware of ulcer while doing your Ramadan , i don't want hunger to kill youoooooooooo.

Because i know you are not strong.

@ bindex and tudor,
Honestly tipia* doesn't have time to support or talk against any religion, i have never seeing her doing something like that, all i know she does is displaying her marital frustration and personal insanity.

healing the blind can only happen on Tv or movies, any other place after that is IMPOSSIBLE.

JeSoul:
Lol . . . who are you? I don't think I've ever spoken or discussed with you on NL. Anyways thanks for the compliment.

Ha ha ha, Honestly, i didn't mean all i said, i just wanted to test your faith of turning the other cheak,
You truely turned the other cheak by the bolded comment above, you are realy a good christian not those hypocrise like noetic2.

my applogies please.

JeSoul

I think you are the most stupid person in nairaland, a very useless girl, too irritating.

1,As a christian, have you ever turned the other cheak to someone who offended you( slaped you) ?

2,Have someone ever borrowed money from you and refused to pay you back, and you forgived him and even went ahead and borrow him some other money ?

3,have someone ever illegaly forced you to do a task to for him and you did it double ?

4,Have someone ever taking your thing and you went ahead and give him more ?

Honest answers will be appreciated.

Is it good for a man of God to fleece the flocks ?

By there jets we shall know them.

Seun:
Inability to repay your loans is not the same as bank robbery.

@ Seun,

You shouldn't have wasted your precious time explaining simple english terms to obvious school drop outs.

If you people dont want to worship, you should leave us alone, religion is good to our country nigeria, without religion, our country could have been full of , occult ,con men,bad leaders, prostitutes,armed robbers and hopeless people, but bacause we have two great religions Christianity and islam who redeemed us from all thos evil above, we are leaving happy life,

God bless our dear country Nigeria.

noetic2:
ahahahahaah

I laugh in french

Salu noetic,
Common ca va ?