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Litmus:
Nigerians generally despise laziness, we abhor the thought that fully-grown healthy men or women would stoop to begging when there are means and ways to survive in Nigeria. We feel this way even informed by all the difficulty we know is manifest in the Nigerian society. Posters, Igbo and Yoruba alike have made so many good and impassioned arguments why Nigerians hate begging, why it should be condemned. To this, I would add that the mentality that leads a healthy individual to beg is the mentality that would lead them eventually to steal, disrespect women, culture and property. We do not as Nigerians want to condone this. Begging leads to general laxity and shows a bad example to the young.

In response, we as Nigerians have to find communal ways to help ensure that the very poorest can at least count on one good meal a day. We can’t allow ourselves for much longer to be distracted by the laziness inducing obsession with government. We have to look into our cultures to draw examples for when we reached out to assist the helpless. And  i was so hopeful that the debate would lead to ideas on what to do or how to tackle these growing incidences of begging until some of you guys once again allowed a couple of Niaraland resident foreigners to distract you into tribalistic cussing.

Have you noticed that nothing is discussed anymore on Niaraland? Every debate is sidetracked by a couple of morons into tribal cussing!

Don’t some of you participants in these tribal slinging matches ever feel manipulated?   Don’t you guys feel shame, don’t you ever envision some guys laughing and congratulating themselves that they still have the ability to divide and conquer?

abeg leave us to our shuffering and shmilling. the people that triedto break away from the manipulation before what did they get? betrayal and demonisation.

naijababe:
And Biafra told the truth so help them God abi? It's ridiculous that you consider the evil that the Igbos did to the Midwesterners as propaganda but on the flip side believe that Igbos did not employ use of the same.

Show me a picture of a starved solider, better yet show me a picture of Ojukwu without his rotund cheeks during the war and I'll maybe begin to consider you less of an oponu . Mtchew!!!

point of correction the biafran troops were midwesterners both igbos,urobo ,ithsekiri etc example sam loco efe all led by banjo so mind how you use igbos. and why didnt such case come up in oputa panel or any other panel that have addressed several conflicts in nigerian history

jason123:
Bros, its only fair for you to agree that the propaganda was a two-way thing. The FG could not have carried out such a greusome war on her citizens and yet, still probe them for "atrocites" after the "no win no vanquish" statement. That will not make sense.

Secondly, there is no way an invading army will not carry out atrocities on a people that is not there, logically speaking. Take a look at the Nigerian army and Liberia. Look at the atrocities yet we were their "liberator". Most people want to forget the war because it reawakens raw emotions, not only among the Igbos but among other ethnic groups.So it seems like "everyone is against the Igbos" which is not so. The Biafran army carried out some biased moves, that made us see them as an invading army instead of a liberator. Also, take into account that MW said they will remain neutrals as we saw the war as a war between the East and North.

Me? Tell lies? I am sure you heard some of these Biafrans stories from your parents and people, right? I also heard stories from my parents and people. What makes yours true and mine a lie? It is a known fact that Biafran soilders killed the minority leaders who were against the movement by labeling them as saboteurs. Banjo, to me, is a bastar.d! The SW might see him as a hero or what ever but I detest him because he is a traitor that almost sold his ancestors and cousins for power. With that said, its on account that Banjo warned Ojukwu on a lot of thing, especially when resentment started growing in the MW. Many soldier from Edo and Delta? Does that mean that is the average MWestern view of which most were of "ibo" origin?? You also have Banjo and ademoyega, does that mean you have the support of the Yorubas? Just cause you have a few men here and there means nothing. Its like saying, the Igbos that dislike Ojukwu means all Igbos do.

meanwhile tell me what this got to do with adekunles statement

sheyguy:
Leave Banjo alone that guy did his job as an army man in a war.
After some serious bashing from the north these ibo cannot do poo them again they will rather play blame game with a westerner.

which bashing from the north? educate us.  apart from all southerners and northerners of christian descent that are killed in religiuous and bokoharem crisis the onl people bashed by the north are the yorubas, all your leaders have been killed by the northerners you cant do poo, hell even during the counter coup the north could not overrun the east but yorubaland was easily taken by a few northern soldiers.

nku5:
@ jason123- I don't wish to call the writer omoigui a liar but how many ppl today are aware that a panel of enquiry was set up to investigate these reported "atrocities" by biafran troops. Because they could find NO atrocities to report and use as propaganda , the FG kept mute and let rumours about the "terrible igbos" continue. Who told you that propaganda isn't powerful

you dey mind am i thought the guy was a reasonable human being, he forgot the so called biafran troops in the midwest were led by yoruba man and comprised of midwesterners both, igbo,edo, itshekiri urhobo. he forgot people like sam loco efe from edo state were those biafran troops. meanwhile i see it now suits them to agree that delta igbos are igbos soon in another thread they will argue they are not igbos, funny people.

jason123:
They didn't start killing people everywhere. First of all, it was a FORCEFUL OCCUPATION around 3 am. Then, they fostered Igbo people on us and looted the treasury. Resentment grew, Banjo warned Ojukwu to place a non-igbo midwesterner as the governor of the MW, Ojukwu refused and installed another Igbo man. [b]Taunts here and there telling us to start learning Igbo language, [/b]at night, molestation and violation occurred. Igbos pointed out their "saboteur" non Igbo midwestern neighbours to be killed. The rest is history.

jason did you have to start telling lies, am really dissapointed in you, did the biafran trops also tell efik and ibibio to start learning igbo? men your bigger than this. meanwhile how does this relate to adekunles statement bearing in mind banjo a fellow yorubaman led the biafran troops of midwestern origin . also remember sam loco was among those biafran troops cus they were many of them fromedo and non igbo delta states so stop all these lies.

lagcity:
Why did Adekunle make those statements? [size=14pt]Because War is Psychological[/size]. It is not just about shooting enemies, you have to break their will to fight, make them throw away their weapons and say, "fork this s.hit, I am not fighting this crazy mofo." I think that's what Adekunle was trying to achieve.

interesting , that could be another explanation but do you think the biafra soldiers even knew about the statement till maybe after the war so how could it have acheived its purpose?

dayokanu:
Nowamagbe A. Omoigui, MD, MPH, FACC

http://www.dawodu.net/midwest.htm


Heroics of the angelic Biafran army


You can believe whatever you want. The writer put his name there. The website is there for you to check

I guessed the biafran army marched in a straight line spraying flowers and roses throughout the midwest

so midwesterners led by a yoruba man went into midwest and started killing midwesterners? why is that hard to believe.

nku5:
@bashr8 - one lie that i find most amusing is that biafran troops entered the midwest and started killing people everywhere. its the cheapest propaganda and unfortunately people easily fall for that silly childish tale by moonlight.

you dey mind them , the biafran forces of midwest were even of midwest origin led by victor banjo a yoruba man , they no even know that part.

nku5:
Quote from Dayokanu

How come the Nazi Germans were tried for war crimes commited Pre Geneva convention?

How come no one has been tried for war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Japans aim was to bla bla bla and the next thing was to Nuke the civilian Population?

I wonder how Ibos reason for real


@Dayokanu - Why are you twisting your statements? You talked about how soviets levelled berlin then you are talking about germans standing trial for war crimes. these are two very different scenarios. Secondly who told you that americans have not been tried in american courts for war crimes in these places you mentioned. If you dont know tone down the bravado and do some research.

Thirdly what the Zap do you mean by bla bla bla. The japs didnt bla bla bla , they annexed most of asia during the second world war and would have fought till millions more on every side would have died, Even if you are biased or misinformed these are highly different pictures you are trying to paint. Adekunle was a disgrace to the uniform and was removed just in time. have you heard anyone speak ill of obasanjo's role during the war?

i have stopped replying him , imaging braging about a man that led thousands of nigerian soldiers to their grave and was quickly removed cause of that, his only legacy are those statements and killing of women and children which dayokanu is trying to justify and you wonder why they are called cowards.

Hye-Bits:
@Bashr8, this is my point you have given thrust here, the only mistake i see from the hands of ojukwu is granting banjo his request for tropps to use and sack occupyin niorthern  Nigerian soldiers in yorubaland and release of awolowo from jail for treason. My line: Biafra Soldiers set its boots on his fatherland, killing helpless children, women, unarmed men, animals, vegetation and dreams. Desecrating his sisters and mothers. Because Ojukwu was too ambitious to want to go to the North through Lagos, Ondo and Benin

yes i wrote that , banjo requested for troops and ojukwu gave him troops ,even wole soyinka played a role by trying to convince obasanjo to allow the troops passage so what are you up to.

Toaskarity:
@op. if actually you wanted an answer, it has already been answered.

The comment i read from page 2, isnt it worse than that of adenkunle?  that is human being for you! eg go to germany, there are still blood of hitler(hatered for blacks and jews) flowing in some and if opportunity comes they might do worse.same thing you can say here too, atleast some post is  my evidence

@ekt bear, it seem you are confused, the same north your hero adenkule fought for the same people you speak against in other threads. I promise you,adekunle wouldnt be proud likewise cos you look  

i guess so but if it was revenge why had he not revenged abiola and the others, anyway another topic for another day.

Wily¬Wily:
Yorubas are the most intelligent tribe, They will Lead us

good one

Hye-Bits:
@Bashr8, these are the reasons Adekunle made this statement: Biafra Soldiers set its boots on his fatherland, killing helpless children, women, unarmed men, animals, vegetation and dreams. Desecrating his sisters and mothers. Because Ojukwu was too ambitious to want to go to the North through Lagos, Ondo and Benin. Is That Taken?

theres no such account on that so far dayokanu made the most reasonable reply, banjo led tropps to midwest and it was declared benin then he headed to lagos to sack gowon and the occcupying northern troops whom the yorubas were complaining of  .read the events from the counter coup before making such posts. the only kistake i see from the hands of ojukwu is granting banjo his request for tropps to use and sack occupyin niorthern soldiers in yorubaland and release of awolowo from jail for treason.

dayokanu:
^^ Because he hated the people who killed his uncle Ladoke Akintola in his house

ok one reasonable reply , you should have written this a long time ago, didnt know he was related to akintola, so who is going to revenge abiola, kutis death

sheyguy:
Adekunle did not do enough, he shuld av done same thing those 1966 ibo assasins did to his own pple.

interesting kleep it coming , i hope my igbo peeps are reading all this. for those calling for revolution hope your reading through this thread cause we will only repeat history when the revolution starts.

Hye-Bits:
@ Bashr8, you mean how many men, women, children Ojukwu led to the world beyond. In his campaign of ill-prepared war. Planning to use men, women, children as shield. What a WARLORD WAR-RUN he is indeed.

no biafran army never had more than 50 thousand soldier throughout the war but nigerian side lost over 200 thousand soldiers so where is the bravery coming from?nigerian army of yesterday is still the nigerian army of today nothing has changed. meanwhile answer my question and leave all that for another topic, why did adekunle make hate speches against the igbos?

Wily¬Wily:
No only your Igbo people, No former Eastern region person will ever join anything against Jonathan whether good or Bad,
we have to be careful with these Fraudulent deceivers tribes, Ijawman didn't do them any wrong, it was Nigerians that voted through National Assembly to reject Yorubas because of their Fraudulent behaviours not Jonathan

i metioned only igbos because if you go through history they seem to be the ones falling for the mischiefs of these fraudelent yorubas . who else better to use against GEJ if not igbos , in one thread they are calling for revolution and in another they are justifying the death of igbos that died in revolution against the evil nigerian govt.

dayokanu:
Ojuku was just a confused man.

One moment he is a Biafra warlord who fears nothing, The next moment he is in skirt, wrapper and gstring running away to Abidjan

One moment he is always for Biafra, Next Moment he is contesting for NIGERIAN president

One moment he told hungry people to fight till death, Next moment he is back in National party of Nigeria collected his full Military benefits while his Biafran soldiers are suffering

One moment he told them Naija soldiers would violation them next moment he is back in Nigeria marrying Miss Nigeria against her fathers wishes

One moment he would rant Awolowo betrayed him, Next moment Awolowo is the best president Nigeria never had

What a duplicitous Biatch

after 8 years of obasanjo rule the yorubas are poorer than ever , worse off from where they were before obasanjo came in? no i think you and obj are the confused ones not ojukwu.

after all these post still no reply, why did adekunle make the statement.

fadhill:
What an interesting thread and read. Where are the NL tribal warriors? In the absence you, General Benjamin Adesanya Maja Adekunle has won the battle again, this time on NL. What a Black Scorpion.

Let me not ever, ever ever never hear anyone complain about Adekunle again.

your not well informed i dont think you know how many men adekunle ledt to their grave in the hands of the out numbered and ill equiped biafrans , the black scorpion lost thousands of their men and that was why adekunle was removed  but at least they succeded in killing thousands of children in return.

Hye-Bits:
@ Bashr8, its nobody fault if Biafra is weak in logistics. Blame this on the so called Oxford graduate with honours whose book knowledge made him skip the politics of war in his prelude to the campaign. What a shame! In WW 1 & 2, the civillians claim the most casualties, so why the Ibos complain on what they started childishly. These are all fallout of war.

we know all that but this is not about the physical war what what was in the mind of adekunle to make that statement. especially as he is not from the north, the east was fighting northern takeover of biafra. remember the same yorubas were overun by northerners and they were complaining asking the northern leaders to leave so what now made a yoruba soldier to make this statement about a people that are trying to pursue the northern soldiers they could not pursue in yorubaland.

dayokanu:
Well Ibos never learn

i agree with you on this one thats why i want those foolish igbos that never learn never to involve themselves in any form of revolution , all man answer im papa name , at least we finally agreed on something.

dayokanu:
You lack of education or blindness cant be my fault

meanwhile why not address the poster who claimed It was between North and east

But in your usual bigotted self, you refused to engage your brain

why not use your own brain to answer my question rather than posting irrelivant comments

Hye-Bits:
They thought war select which to kill out of the enemy at site. They never knew guns pelted at random and that tanks reel in succession. They thought war was like fight 2 hrs then go back to cook, shower, visit mall, friends and then come back in another 6 hrs or never. WW 1 was thought to have ended before Christmas of 1914. The thought of Allies and Axis. But it never ended until 1945. Those of you that beat the drum of war on NL, may be you don't know that some people career to just do that, like the Great Black Scorpion, "eni sango ba tojue wole, oni tohun oni bawon bu oba koso".

there nothing brave about soldiers killing women and children ,biafra did not even have up to 60 thousand soldiers total yet over 200 thousand nigerian soldiers died in the war. how come biafran casualties were mainly children that died of starvation and children and women killed by nigerian soldier, pls bravery and nigerian soldier dont go together.

dayokanu:
The war was between North and east yet Biafran soldiers didnt invade the north, Rather they came to Ore in the West, I am sure someone might come here and say they were trying to go to Kano via Ore.

Thank God for people like Benjamin BABAMAJA ADEKUNLE

Like I said for 1 Yoruba that was killed Akintola, Its 100,000 Ibos

get your facts right , the war was between east and north thats why we are puzzled that someone from the west will make the comment even though they were not involved, meanwhile how many northerners have you killed since they have been killing all your leaders right from after the war, coward you prefer slavery .

am still waiting for a response , why did adekunle out all other nothern soldiers make this statement ? did he have any personal issues with ojukwu or igbos before the war?

dayokanu:
The war was between North and east yet Biafran soldiers didnt invade the north, Rather they came to Ore in the West, I am sure someone might come here and say they were trying to go to Kano via Ore.

Thank God for people like Benjamin BABAMAJA ADEKUNLE

Like I said for 1 Yoruba that was killed Akintola, Its 100,000 Ibos

you mean victor banjo. well its good for my igbo peeps to read this and remember when you plan something with a yoruba man and it goes bad he will cowardly deny it . for all those igbos running their mouth and calling for revolution i hope you first learn something from history

i hope my igbo folks are reading all these comments from yoruba peeps. its always good to know who your neighbours are and what they wish of you. see the hatred and bitterness in there responses , very interesting.


meanwhile am yet to get a proper response, it would have been understandable to get such comment from a northern soldier cause the war was between east and north.

CyberG:
There you go firing another tribal salvo. . .yet if others descend on you, you will still complain, what is the matter with you? Has it occurred to you that Tinubu was 13 years old when all the sabre-rattling and hotheadedness that plunged the country into darkness started in January 1966? Well, you now pontificating were far from fertilized in the womb talk less of being born, yet you come here to pretend like you witnessed anything of what happened? Stop the tribalism because this will only destroy you and Nigeria even more!

stp running around throwing punches in the air, what exactly do you support, division,revolution,SNC, or remain status quo?

this thread is not about awo but about adekunle, he was not the only soldier in the nigerian army , he is not hausa/fulani infact he was almost killed by the northern soldiers. what made him personally hate igbos soo much?

sheyguy:
Where dem dey? Una don run go?

another fo.ol , you are all the same typing rubbish , now you know they have been tensions in nigeria before independence what other rubbish do you have to spew, i wonder why yorubas dont even value their own dead not as if i care anyway.