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DeepSight:
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You are indoctrinated. That's what you will think.

But open your mind.

You condemn ritual human sacrifice.

And yet you believe in the ritual human sacrifice of Jesus.

How is that consistent?

DeepSight:
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Wide perspective indeed. Can you remind me if there was any problem about the strait as recently as February?

It amazes me that you think yourself objective.

In what you say, you ignore the fact that Iran is the country that was suddenly attacked in the middle of negotiations.

TV01:
Acts 20:28
Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

God took on human form and freely laid down His life to pay the penalty for our sin, deliver us from bondage (slavery even) and offer us eternal life.

Maybe try viewing things through other than you hate filled lens and choose life.


TV

DeepSight:
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And yet, the most belligerent country in the world remains the USA. The only country to ever use an atomic weapon. The only country to have interfered militarily in scores of countries and overthrown scores of governments. The largest financier of insurrections and terrorism.

LordReed:
To say I am disappointed that you mischaracterised my argument is an understatement. basilico asked for inventions based on Islamic study and I followed up by asking for inventions based on Christianity study. How is that me asking show me Pythagoras in OT? I hold you in higher esteem than what you are displaying here man.

DeepSight:
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I dont know what happened. I believe there is a big story there that will only emerge in future. There is a lot about the circumstances that are very contradictory and bizarre, you will agree.

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Serial draft dodgers dont have brass balls. Its not courageous to send others to die while you sit an ocean away more protected than anyone on the planet.

DeepSight:
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You once asked me to engage you, promising that you are objective and open minded. So far from that, if one labors to write properly to you, you dont even read.

This matter of civilization and innovation is one which has advanced studies on it. We live in the information age. There is even AI to assist you. Make an effort.

Its infantile to link innovation to Judeo Christian culture.

DeepSight:
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Yeah yeah, after NOT fighting such wars was one of his biggest campaign points!


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You know very well that writing the way you did made it sound like a proper headshot whereas it wasnt.

That aside, I wish I had his magic ear with its magic healing capacity.

bemeruca:
Budaatum come and receive your brothers, we don't want them here or in Canada

DeepSight:
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Thats rich coming from a man who is advocating a religion that has ritual human sacrifice as its centre-piece teaching.
Besides, this is moral evolution and different from the matter of innovation we discussed.

TV01:
Hello Sir,

haven't you noticed by now that re-framing is one of DeepSight' signature moves.

TV - There is nothing that has driven recent scientific and technological advancement in humankind than that which emanated or mimicked the outworking of nations historically rooted in the JC culture.

DeepSight - it's ahistorical and you are unwell to suggest that physics is not taught in Ibadan Grammar School .

LordReed - show me the Pythagoras theorem in the OT

Laugh 0


TV

DeepSight:
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One can validly say that the Renaissance and Age of Enlightenment involved a lot of rebellion against Judeo Christian religious constrictions and limitations of thought.

IRON CLAD FACT.

DeepSight:
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Stop. I asked you a question. Rewind and address my questions first. It will help you.

Did Rome, Greece and Egypt require the JC culture to advance, flourish and innovate? Did the Chinese require it to invent the many things they did including gun powder, paper, the compass, the seismograph and the blast furnace?

The answer is obvious.

I can only smile at how pedestrian your thinking at that of TV01 actually are. There are advanced academic studies on what drives civilization and innovation and you guys are not even scratching the surface.

DeepSight:
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Let me help you. Forget about Islam for a minute. Tell me about other cultures. They all invented nothing as well?


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How so?

Do you know that there are scientifically sound reasons for the advancement of Europe?

Please your absurdity is giving me a headache. Tell me how exactly the JC culture led to innovation.

Be specific.

And as you do so, let me give you a nugget for thought. When Rome, Greece and Egypt were all light years ahead of back waters like Germania and Britannia, was it on account of religious culture?

Would you be smart enough to spare a thought for their location on the Mediterranean for example?

DeepSight:
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That is certainly not the bone of contention. The bone is whether inventions are limited to JC cultures.
And even a two year old can tell you they are not.
Only lunatics would say they are.

Mind you, while you have limited yourself to Islam, I have spread the net to all other non JC Cultures from antiquity - which covers the real question as framed by the obviously unwell TV01.

LordReed:
Well then the question is stupid because you gave a stupid example with the Quran, which is why when asked to produce such an example with the Bible, you turn around to call it stupid. Blame yourself for the stupidity.

DeepSight:
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Makes no sense. If it was, they would not have achieved so much.

Modern evolved culture is superior to barbarism yes. That is modernity. Not JC culture because that included the divine right of kings which led to totalitarianism, feudalism and slavery for example. Also the witch hunts and much more.

DeepSight:
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Makes no sense. If it was, they would not have achieved so much.

Modern evolved culture is superior to barbarism yes. That is modernity. Not JC culture because that included the divine right of kings which led to totalitarianism, feudalism and slavery for example. Also the witch hunts and much more.

DeepSight:
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Entertainers draw crowds.
And make no mistake a serial draft dodger can never be a warrior.

Obrigardo:
If you are still a Maga dunce cultists do you feel like the air is been sucked out of you
All your top maga influencers have bailed on the tyrant child sexual predator
Even the UFC safe haven was just too cold for him
X has closed the maga grifting loophole, even libsoftiktok and domlucre are crying - mama come save me

I told you guys last 2 years maga is dead, we are just dancing on the coffin right now.

DeepSight:
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So tell me about nations and empires before and without the said scriptures. Rome, Greece, etc.

They too didn't have the necessary culture to allow inventions?

What are you smoking?

Besides, you still haven't addressed the verses I provided you with. You keep yapping about flat Earth I have never once mentioned.

Are you stable?

DeepSight:
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This post discloses someone who needs urgent assessment and assistance.

LordReed:
Ok show me someone who saw something in the Bible like you are saying here then invented something.

DeepSight:
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The verses I cited did not discuss the shape of the Earth so you are discussing something else. The point of those verses was to show you that there are several verses which the church used to counter and persecute scientists. You are a weak discussant.

LordReed:
LoLz. The Quran is not a science journal either but you want us to present you inventions that came directly from Islamic study.

Anyway, thanks for conceding that no invention came from Christianity study.

LordReed:
No, banks are critical to the kind of economy we have now, they didn't always exist and economies got on just fine without them.

DeepSight:
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Really?

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1. The Immobility of the Earth
The most famous conflicts, such as the Galileo Affair, centered on the idea that the Earth moves. Critics used several "proofs" from the Old Testament to argue that the Earth is fixed in place.

Psalm 104:5

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved."
This was perhaps the most cited verse against Nicolaus Copernicus and Galileo Galilei. If the Bible says the Earth cannot be moved, the heliocentric theory (Earth revolving around the Sun) was viewed as a direct contradiction of divine revelation.

Psalm 93:1

"...The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved."
Similar to Psalm 104, this was used to provide a physical "fact" about the stability of the globe.

1 Chronicles 16:30

"Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved."

2. The Motion of the Sun
To the observers of the time, the Sun appeared to "rise" and "set." Scientific theories suggesting it was the Earth moving instead were countered with verses describing the Sun’s movement.

Joshua 10:12–13

"On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel: 'Sun, stand still over Gibeon...' The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day."
Martin Luther and other religious leaders famously argued that for Joshua to command the Sun to stand still, the Sun must have been the object in motion to begin with.

Ecclesiastes 1:5

"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."
This verse was used to support the Ptolemaic system, which claimed the Sun orbited the Earth daily.

3. The Structure of the Heavens
The concept of "the firmament" was often used to push back against atmospheric or astronomical discoveries that suggested an infinite or vacuum-filled space.

Genesis 1:6–7

"And God said, 'Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.' ...God called the vault 'sky.'"
Early interpretations suggested a physical dome (the firmament) held back literal water. When astronomers began suggesting the heavens were fluid or empty space, it challenged the literalist view of a solid cosmic structure.

4. The Origin of Life and Humanity
With the publication of Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species in 1859, the focus shifted from physics to biology.

Genesis 1:26–27

"Then God said, 'Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness...'"
This was (and is) the primary verse used to deny Evolutionary Theory. The argument is that if humans share a common ancestor with primates, they cannot be uniquely created "in the image of God."