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Yoruba Christians

Styluss:
a topic made front page on nairaland today... Will share u the link too.. I stand to be corrected thou. And yes I'm a yoruba

I saw it and it doesn't support your position the Muslims started it.

Styluss:
what ever happend in that place was ignited by provocation from either sides!!! Which ever side I chose to be on... U and I knw that the story is incomplete!

I'm sure you're Yoruba, watch https://www.facebook.com/100009109242893/posts/2865148797132067/
https://fb.watch/6tKDY42bJS/

Easternblood:
Just one incosequential brat and he isn't a pure Muslim

Make I mention another one? There's one Igwe in Imo state that's Muslim o, he was born a Muslim sef

And MURIC na one man o, I used to dislike MURIC thinking they were cringy and raising unnecessary dust but now I see what he meant. They now subtly promote hate for Islam through Fulani, they now make noise about Fulani but underneath it's the hatred for Islam. I've encountered so many here who eventually come of the shell to lambast and show their hate for Islam

Easternblood:
[s]My eye clean , Anuohia. There is nothing like Igbo Muslim and there will never be, they can be Igbo christians, Igbo traditionalists, Igbo spiritualists, Igbo Jews, Igbo Buddhists, Igbo humanists, Igbo non-religious, but Never Igbo Muslims. Never, it is an abomination[/s]

Cry more lmao I heard Ned Nwoko is a Muslim

Empiree:
I still blame Muslims in Nigeria, especially Yorùbáland for not having independent state media outlets. Otherwise this rubbish will not be happening.


Brother, I read your post some weeks back with regards to Christians in Yorùbáland where you talked about Yorùba muslims are now waking up. I was gonna comment on that but I was blocked for weeks. I wanted to call your attention to CAN manifesto for you to download and add to your portfolio. Those people have wrecked havoc in Nigeria and messed up Muslims big time. A lot i know now that I didn't know before.

You need to read their 69 prayer points called manifesto. This is where they detailed their plans for Islam and Muslims. Although they have failed woefully but they succeeded in some aspect. That's, where they are able to camped many Muslims in illusion of "peaceful coexisting" while they stabbed Muslims in the back. Check my profile for the manifesto. The thread is about CAN.

I'm telling you, remember how the pantami issue of a supposed minute where they took it overboard. I saw the manifesto, it's actually worse. Many Yorùbá Muslims are just so annoying with their docility, how can you allow people be pushing you around? Even in the west where there are super minority of Muslims, they demand for their rights not to talk of Yorùbáland where they make up a huge chunk of the population.

They deceive the Muslims with "we're one regardless of religion", yet this same people would go around pulling the hijab of little kids. Not even igbos do this, the igbos people spread hate on don't do this, it's Yoruba Christians. Very annoying!

Styluss:
and Eid doesnt infringe the rights of other citizens the few hours we engage in it? Btw.. I'm a rational thinker and being a Muslim won't make me support Muslims all the time. Im an indigen of a very religious township and I know how extremists some Muslims can be. I was almost brainwashed into thinking christians are evil. I will never denounce Islam... But I give every other religion their respect....

Lakum diinukum ... Wali ye deen

Respect that you refuse to condemn the killing of a Muslim and injured children by idolators?

And how does Eid infringe people's rights? Are you talking about blocking the roads? That isn't allowed in Islam as the Prophet (salallaahu alaihi Wasallam) warned against it. But these idolators like Oro infringe on rights of people like women claiming they'll die if they see em.

Stop trying to act or love them because they'll never love you, they'll oppress you if given a chance. As you can see, you've been blinded by supposed "rationality" that you refuse to condemn an attack on Muslims when you have no evidence this particular Muslims provoked anyone. You simply have no evidence they did, but remember that whatever you do, you'd account for it including supporting oppression

Ma Salam

Easternblood:
There is nothing like Igbo Muslims , I don't believe all this FG sponsored news

Continue the denial, una eye go soon clean

Easternblood:
Suffersticated morons, show me evidence of Igbos persecuting whoever? The countries you listed above are all Christians first , do your research well Yoruba muslim

Yeebos and usual denials, those countries I mentioned despite being Christians did pogroms against each other. Ustase Catholic Croats killed almost a million Orthodox Christian Serbs during World War 2.

Orthodox Serbs killed thousands of Muslim Bosnians during the Bosnian war

In Ireland, Catholics and Protestants still hold grudges against each despite both still claiming Christianity. And they've committed crimes against each other as well

Don't bring in low iQ arguments because I'll trump you and yes, yeeboe Christians persecute Igbo Muslims. This is a fact!

https://allafrica.com/stories/202105170239.html

LadySarah:
Bro, fu.. Ck off!
I'm neither yoruba,a resident of the state, a Muslim nor a traditionalist so quit with this back and forth. I said what I said.

Of course I know you can't be hence why you shouldn't put big rotten mouth where it doesn't belong. Some of you are so stupid and you can't even see it, how you be blaming victims when you've got absolutely no evidence they provoked the attack? Are you this dense?

So Muslims were attacked in Osun, yet they're blamed based upon conjectures that they might've provoked the idolators

https://www.nairaland.com/6624018/masquerades-attack-muslims-osun-one

Easternblood:
What happened to the most "suffersticated" tribe in Africa?? "We are religiously tolerant" and all that BS, Ethnic Anglo-Saxons are all christians or non-religious ,same with Asians, Arabs, there is an overwhelming dominance of one religion. But it is now one common black tribe in West Africa, that can manage two conflicting religions well. Make una stop to dey lie to una self, Biko. Big crisis is looming be it in Oduduwa Abi na Odudu-nwa or whatever, it's coming

Mumu, Irish are one people and Christians, yet they're divided based on religion. The Protestants are majority in their country (Northern Ireland in UK) and the Catholics in Republic of Ireland.

Croatians, Serbians and Bosnians are the same people who are divided based on their religion and they've fought countless wars on this.

Yeebhoes are majority Christians, but they persecute their Muslim brethrens

Amotolongbo:
Surely, the Muslims can be victim.
But was that their first time of staying together ?
They’ve been living together for more than a century

So why did the idol worshippers attack the Muslims with guns? Why did they kill the Imam and injure children? Or Muslim lives don't matter? I'm sure y'all wouldn't be saying this if it were to be the other way around

doverulez:
The problem with your likes is, when you see someone telling the truth, be it from your religion or ethnicity; you start calling them fake cos they didn't succumb to your immature ideology and principle. you better change.
LET THE TRITH BE TOLD RAW!

I stand with the truth regardless of whomever is pointing it out, this is a report of a Muslim killed with children injured. There's no evidence whatsoever the Muslims started but you guys can't fathom the fact Muslims can be victims so they must've done something to warrant this, this is very excruciating.

No worry, whether you guys like it or not, the Muslims are here and we would continue to be. No idol worshipper or christian can change that fact, eyin eleribu

LadySarah:
Live and let live.
The instigators should have remembered children were amongst them before they started.

Muslims instigated this? Where's your evidence? So Muslims cannot be victims, is that what you saying?

Styluss:
lol... What ever you think.. that does not that change the fact that alot of Muslims provoks? Only few want peace

Are you dumb? Have you ever witnessed masquerades and how they fringe upon the rights of other citizens? Oro would request women shouldn't go out, they disrupt activities, so even do human sacrifices.

You claimed to be a Muslim but you didn't condemn the attack on Muslims but choose to side with the aggressors because the Muslims might have attacked first? You're a disappointment!

Ibkhaleel:
Christians are the problem of Nigeria and the world at large...by their comments here you shall know them...bunch of hypocrites....how can a sane person turn his face towards the atrocious act commited against peaceful worshipers ...had it been the story is the other way round they wil never claim it to be one sided but wil rush to castigate muslims and islam....xtians are wawaye foolish hellbound creatures....anyway i dont blame you! Hate is in your DNA and you will forever remain backward die and rot in hell

The hate Nigerian Christians harbor against Muslims including the supposedly peaceful Yorùbá Muslims is just so much, you can imagine throughout the thread them justifying an attack that left someone dead and injured many other kids, I even spotted a Muslim siding with such insolence. We're finished in this country

Amotolongbo:
thank you my sister.

Masquerades only attack outsiders when there is a provocation.
You can only see them attacking themselves to show superiority.

My advice to the news outlet is to carry out investigative journalism without being biased so that we can know who to blame and settle the matter amicably for everyone to live in peace.

Biased journalism will only end up creating more problems to the society

But if it were the other way round, the Muslims would've attacked first? So Muslims cannot be victims? God!!!

Styluss:
[s] I'm a Muslim... And I must admit the report is certainly biased. How would they start throwing stones and shooting without provocation!!! I've seen quite a number of mascurades as a yoruba and I can tell you they only fight themselves. Say one mascurades attacking another and it's followers on superiority basis.
Religious conflict like this is always initiated by a form of provocation from either sides.
And probably it's not by the one passing by, throwing the stones![/s]

Muslims like you annoy, your likes try so hard for the non-Muslims to like them but they would never do. If you weren't so occupied to justifying attacks against your fellow Muslims which resulted in death and injury, you should have seen that regardless of what happened, they're blaming the Muslims when there's literally no evidence the Muslims were at fault. But as usual, we have weaklings amongst us who continue to talk rubbish just to please non-Muslims who consider you a potential terrorist

LadySarah:
The muslims must have said something derogatory while the traditional worshippers passed by.Your report looks very biased.

Live and let Live.

So because the Muslims said something bad, they deserve to be killed and injured? Most of those attacked and injured were children, why are you justifying attacks against Muslims even when they're victims?

KillaBeans:
So the masquerade worshippers just attacked the Muslims just like that abi. Oga Op please go and get the whole story

But if it were to be Muslims that attack, you would've accepted the story wholeheartedly? See how God is exposing you hypocrites, are you a Yorùbá Christian?

Lemme set camp here, make I see any Yoruba or Igbo Christians shining teeth.

Omoodua007:
I’m not a Yoruba Christian
I’m an Ijebu man I don’t identify with foreign religion

So you're even Ijebu? Why then do you cry so hard about Ilorin and Oyo Empire when you guys weren't under Oyo Empire? Oyo was an imperialist empire which bullied other Yorùbás, why my Yorùbá Christian brother

konkonbilo:
This man na real idiot. As a Muslim this man de irritate me aswear. Na the judas among us.

He's not a Judas, although he's not right everytime but many of the things he says eventually turn out to be true

WorldRichest:
E be like say your head no correct just like these Almajaris in the North. the population and Muslims to Christians in Yorubaland is 50/50, I don't want any unnecessary argument on that. Out of the approximately 50% Muslim population, 50% of us will reject Shariah law (not all Muslims are Stupid as you have been thinkin). That will make the percentage of those for Sharia and those against Sharia in Yorubaland to be 75% and 25% for. How then can any group of idiots say enforce Sharia Law in Yorubaland?

Now lemme ask you question, which law is Supreme and the best for Muslims, Shari'ah (a law sent down from God) or secular law?

Omoodua007:
Sorry your sharia dreams are dead online and in real life
I know it hurts your butts
But it’s not happening if you want spread your message of hatred on non Muslim Yorubas you will always fail
Yoruba land remains a multi faith society and no Yoruba is swapping their culture for any foreign religion whether Islam or Christianity hence a majorty Muslim state like kwara still prefers to use Yoruba customs

If you like raise a new generation of radical Muslims na Yiu sabi
Terrorist

Okay my Yorùbá Christian brother

Agbegbaorogboye:
Stop spreading lies. I've searched on the internet for your so-called picture and I can't find it anywhere on the net. Can you provide a link?

Werey go to the Facebook pages of the schools, I mustn't spoon-feed You with everything. Use your brain at least!

You seem to be confused by my English which is why I asked you a question which you skillfully side-stepped. Let me ask you again and I want a straight answer from you. Are the Yoruba a minority or majority tribe in Nigeria. Yes or No?

They're a majority tribe but Hausas are the most populous in Nigeria and the overall majority. Don't use grammar to play around!

Your initial claim was that Senegalese and Malians are not Fulanis. After I showed you with facts that they are, you jumped into the realm of majority. It's obvious you just want to argue even if you're pointless.

It's not pointless because you knew you've got nothing to stand on, compared to other tribes in Mali or Senegal, Fulanis are minorities but overall they're amongst the majority tribes.

Again, you are the one claiming that the Mali and Senegalese that colonized you with Islam are not Fulanis.

I never claimed colonialism, it's was you that was colonized not me. Islam came through the Songhai and Malian empires and they were all traders, are you saying traders colonize? If you claim this, are you saying Yorubaland was once conquered by Senegalese and Malians? If yes, show us evidences from history.

And give us explicit evidences they were Fulanis if not, I'll leave you to continue ranting.

I've shown you evidence of your subservience to them. Yet you ask for me to disprove a statement you have not proven.

Our subservience? Are you dense?

Good you are familiar with Saraki's claim. You can go and argue at his grave. What is obvious is he said he came to teach you guys Islam and that he's from Mali and he's Fulani. Also, Fulani from the Northern part of Nigeria who are majorly Guineans and Malians have always said they taught you guys Islam and are therefore your benefactors. Why then do you shy away from your masters who sight the moon on your behalf.

Saraki's claim can't be proven, so you can't claim it's a fact. And no Fulani claims they taught us Islam, history refutes this and most Fulanis aren't from Mali or Guinea. I honestly don't know where you manufacture your rubbish from, you then present it as facts and think I'm a dummy who's gonna accept?

Islam in Yorubaland is more than 200 years old? Another lie to make your stomach sweet. The Fulanis gave you Islam. Learn to live with it. No need to feel bigger than your masters.

The Malians and Songhai did, the vast majority who weren't fulani but Wangara traders (who were known traders and envoys for the Malian empire). Fulanis are minorities in those countries. The Hausas got Islam not through Fulanis but Senegalese traders who again were Tukulor and Wolof traders

Now my Yorùbá Christian brother, how did Christianity come to Yorùbáland?

Hehehehe. The Emir of Ilorin was placed there by Yorubas!! What manner of revisionism is this? You mean the Yorubas in Sokoto are the ones who turbaned the Emir of Ilorin?

Is it your father that's the kingmakers of Ilorin?

Even your Emir in Iwo recently alluded to the authority and superiority of the Sokoto sultanate. So what the hell are you lying for?

Oba/Emir of Iwo, may Allāh preserve him, can do whatever he pleases. He can appeal to whomever he wants, he's within his right to do so, stop putting mouth in what doesn't concern you.

And who made the Sultan the ruler of Nigerian Muslims? Why not the Alaafin of Oyo or is he not a traditional ruler? Besides, what is the correlation of traditional rulership with islam that you Muslims "respect" when its obvious all those traditional stools are products of our traditional religions? Stop deceiving yourself abeg!!

Alaafin cannot be the leader of Nigerian Muslims because of his throne being associated with idolatry. And as for your above questions, you'd never understand because you're not a Muslim, so give it a rest!

You're just clowning around. If the British came to impose their religion on us in the name of colonialism as you claim,

It's not a claim, it's a fact. Without the British, you most likely would've been sacrificing yourselves to gods

may I ask how you came to be a muslim and the north was able to sustain its Islamic colouration throughout the about 90 years of colonialism.

Well since you asked, I'm igbomina and when the revolt of afonja happened and Ilorin expanded, many igbomina kingdoms joined Ilorin

Or do you mean islam defeated colonialism?

Yeah, we fought against it (although we lost), we don't bow to the colonialist laws hence why we demanding for our laws and we would not stop until we get it!

This commonsense question should show you that Christianity was never forced on anyone through colonialism the way Islam was through Jihad cause if it had been so, the large majority of West Africans would have been Christians because the major colonial powers in West Africa were Christian countries.

LMAO, you were militarily defeated and humiliated and then they poured in missionaries into your lands and your miserable selves accepted the religion of the same whitemen who defeated and humiliated you, I've never seen such a justification for bootlicking of colonialism and Christianity imperialism in my life. Yorùbá Christians would do anything to justify the crimes of their British masters

Islam came to Nigeria largely through peaceful means and for parts of the world, christianity on the otherhand is known for their military imperialism and forceful conversion, those who refused were exterminated. If you wanna debate this, I'm willing to

Christianity spread through offering people a better life not through forceful assimilation via Jihad.

Yes, we love the jihad

If I start exposing Christianity, you go enter ground bro

Let me also tell you. Ahmadu Bello as Premier of Northern Nigeria had a very open, brutal and unapologetic islamization policy which converted about 100k people in his first year in office.

So? What's wrong with that? Isn't that what the Christians and their British supporters did? With some of you even going as far as mistranslating the Quran in Yorùbá language, wicked people Always trying to point fingers when you've all done worse

This was not present in the Southern regions led by Obafemi Awolowo and Nnamdi Azikiwe, two christians. Yet to you, it was the Christians who were forcefully converting people.

Baba Awo didn't have to do this, the missionaries and their remnants were well present in the south and they did nothing to stop them. Didn't you notice how for instance the south east had almost 50/50: Christians/Traditionalists to almost 80/20 within a short time. You can only bring this argument if you have evidence of them trying to stop the missionaries but they did nothing.

You are just deceiving yourself. You as a Yoruba can't lead prayer in a Nupe man's presence not to talk of Hausa. Quote me anywhere.

You're very Stupidd then because I've stated here many times I'm from Kwara State and that should tell you we have Nupes whom we do things together with. I've got nothing to prove to you, so don't talk as if you are someone I seek validation from. I've led and preached to Nupes, Hausas, Fulanis, Kanuris and even shuwa arabs.

I'm sure you're a Pentecostal Christian, can you beat your chest and say you've preached even in a Yorùbá cele church? Would they even allow you? You wanna talk to me about fulani/hausa when you can't worship in another Yorùbá church denomination

Who gives a Bleep about a wannabe MSSN. How many northerners reckon with MSSN.

This question shows I'm talking to a blockhead, Chai!

It's just like claiming NASFAT is well recognized in the north. I lived in and know the north very well.The average northern muslim sees you as fake Muslims, munafiqs.

Shut up for, nafsat is for Yoruba Muslim, I don't even give a damn about them as do many other Yorùbá Muslims talkless of northerners. If I'm a munafiq according to them, why have they given their daughter to me to marry omo ofo? Or you didn't know a non-Muslim can't marry a Muslim!

Stop forming familiarity with them. They only regard you when it's time to use you for their nefarious ends just as they use the minorities in the north,

I didn't even mention them, you were the one who's been nagging and asking me about them and I simply gave you a reply. But the reply didn't sweet you that's why you crying, pẹlẹ my Yorùbá Christian brother

Who is the ACF chairman now? Audu Ogbeh. Before him Paul Unongo and before him, Sunday Awoniyi. All Christians.

I don't do politics, carry your nonsense elsewhere

I'm sure a gullible soul like you will say northern muslims see northern Christians as one with them.

I never said that or even thought about that but Okay!

No wonder you want sharia. Let me warn you. The end product of sharia is always terrorism.

Yeah, terrorism from Christians as we saw in Kaduna.

In the SW Muslims, we know we have some extremists. But they are not so bold because of the moderates who fall in the majority. The day sharia becomes a law in the SW, that's the day those extremists get emboldened, just as it happened with BH.

I don't care about this, we won't stop until we get our rights, and no one born of a woman can stop it. Mark my words!

Ignoramus. The trans-Saharan slave trade was mostly carried out by Arabs. That was part of how they also spread your islam.

What's the skin color? Or you didn't know afro-Arabs existed?

What nonsense are you saying now? Those schools weren't missionary school? So who built them? You lie too much just like you god Muhammad.

They've been collected from the churches, and I don't have any reason to lie to you. And Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi Wasallama) isn't my god dumbo, Allāh Olohun gbogbo Agbaye ati Orun is my God.

I'm not a Christian who lies like Apostle Paul, you've been lying like tomorrow no dey, you're probably a descendant of the antichrist apostle Paul:
But if through my lie God’s truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? Romans 3:7

From the horses mouth!

Suddenly you remember we are one. If we are one why do you want a separate rule for yourself different from others. Is that not a sign of a divided house?

One ke? I know we're not one, it's just an hypocritical talk from Christians to keep the Muslims down. Y'all just bunch of cowards, always flexing muscles for children and women but never challenging a man. Ordinarily Prof Ishaq Akintola make y'all piss your pants

Keep quiet. You can't choose for us what to wear. Christians wear choir robes to school for harvest thanksgiving.

I didn't deny this, but do y'all wear the robes everyday to class like how Muslim women do? No, never happens, no Christian institution does that on the surface of planet earth

What you said is I should give you example of Christian students wearing choir robes to school. Now I've given you and as usual, you've shifted the goalpost to wearing it everyday. Lol. You are so unstable. I don't need your 100 pounds o. Not like you have it anyway.

Yorùbá Christians thinks he's smart, I'll show you what I wrote initially:

Agbegbaorogboye:
Look at this dumb question, do Christians even allow Christian students wear Christian choir robes in Christian schools? If yes, I challenge you to name one Christian school that specified choir robes for its students in everyday life and I'll give £100.

And quit with the lie of muslim students' names being changed by missionaries. It's a capital lie. It never happened. Yoruba muslims with your unfortunate victim mentality were not the only muslims who attended missionary schools. Farooq Kperogi did too and no one changed his name. Same with the late CJN Idris Kutigi and no one changed his name too. Why only you guys? Are you naturally unfortunate or something?

This wasn't even a new thing, it has been happening for more than 100 years. For instance, Muhammad Shitta Bey was forcefully baptized and named "William", my dad also has a Christian name "Peter".

Here's the deal. If you want sharia in the SW. Then we will also have canon laws and the traditionalists will live according to the dictates of Ifa Orunmila too. Christian courts headed by Bishops will exists as well as Babalawo courts too. You can't claim a monopoly of madness.

It's not a competition, but you can have your way, no Muslim is going to stop you. Just don't interfere with us and we won't with you, the Quran says "to you is your religion and to me is my religion". Make everybody face their business! That's how it should be, plus the Quran 5:46-47 says Christians and Jews should judge according to their own books. If this happens, crime in Yorùbáland would drop tanyanyan!

If Otto von Bismarck a Christian could see wisdom in separating church from state which is the harbinger of secularist freedom we now enjoy, how come you guys want to drag everyone back to the stone age of religious governments.

That's Otto's and father's business, we have our rules and way of live. Live your life and let's live, how's that complex for y'all?

[s]If such exists, do you think we would have mosques in Europe which you all love to tout as evidence of expansion of Islam? Even you, if religion was to be a state affair, there is no way you would be a muslim. You will have to be a pagan. Because that's what your forefathers were. It's because your forefathers just like Otto van Bismarck were smart enough to not make religion a raison d'etre of a society but instead make it a personal thing, that your grandfather could afford to stop worshipping Esu and Eledumare but instead started worshipping Allah and Mohammed without anyone molesting him. In other words, Islam has actually made you worse than your forefathers. Think about that!![/s]

That's your business, this wan no concern me at all

Omoodua007:
Fulani rule Islam in Nigeria so we can’t leave them out it it
And btw a lot of yoruba Muslims don’t want it
So try convincing the secular Yoruba Muslims
In a Yoruba nation snd a supreme Islamic councils filled with Yoruba Muslims such can be entertained

Yorùbá online abi? Go to the mosques and ask the Muslims what they think about it, you'd be shocked to find what some Yorùbá Muslims believe in. I've personally reported some the police for the extremism.

I'm just letting you know the liberal Muslims of Yoruba land were mostly from our parents generation especially those who were educated in missionary schools and their affiliates. But you see the present generation? Trust me, there are some crazy folks, but that doesn't we would ally with them and support their extremism.

WorldRichest:
This one is typing from the psychiatric ward of the Lagos Isolation Centre. He should be ignored. Which Lagos Muslims have been asking for Shariah? Tajudeen, Saheed, Musiliu, Samsudeen and others that are smoking Weed with Dry Gin at the Bus-stops and collecting NURTW levels with fightings and bottle breaking? Your head no correct. You better stop deceiving yourself with this nonsense political Shariah that you half illiterates are screaming about.

Just as how Janet Adewale, Itunu jesutofunmi are all standing waiting for men to shag them under bridge in Obalende.

Jayrockk:
no one has given me a specific answer, I asked some they said 80-90k, some said 100 and above, some said 60-70 i don't know which one is legit honestly, plus I heard some say salaries were slashed due to the pandemic...

150k and it could be higher if you get posted to a parastatal

Omoodua007:
When we have our own Independent nations we will consider it but now we say no TO FULANI sponsored shariah

Leave Fulani out of this, it's nauseating. If the Muslims can get Shari'ah for their affairs in Yorùbá republic, then we'll support it. Lagos Muslims have been asking for it since 1896, how can we be denied for so long and then when we finally move to a place we call our own, we'll now be denied again? No o, every one must be represented and the Muslims ask for this