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Agbegbaorogboye:
This was ur initial statement which I debunked by sharing those pages with you then you jumped to the question of majority. I hope you realise both Mali and Senegal have fulani presidents presently.

This doesn't concern me, prove from history that those Senegalese and Malians that brought Islam to Nigeria were Fulani. This is all I'm asking you, those countries can have whatever tribe as president, that's their business, I've asked you a simple task. You didn't debunk anything rather showed your ignorance, and for you to think all the empires of Mali and Senegal were fulani shows you're super ignorant!

I'm waiting tho

Besides, statistics wise, there are more Fulani per person in Mali and Senegal than you have Yoruba in Nigeria. Yoruba are about 15% while Fulani are 16 and 17 in both countries. So obviously if Yoruba with 15% can be a majority tribe in Nigeria, how much more 16% and 17%?

WTH is this one saying? Who taught you statistics? How can you imply 20% are the majority? Hausas are majority of Nigeria, Wolof people are the majority in Senegal and it's the major language spoken and this happens to transcend to nearby Gambia. In Mali, Mande people are the overwhelming majority, just to push your rubbish, you wanna make a minority majority?

The late waziri of Ilorin olusola saraki when asked of his ancestry claimed his forbears were fulani Islamic scholars who came from Mali to teach Islam in Ilorin.

If for the sake of argument, we accept this, are you saying only the Saraki family spread Islam to the whole Yorùbáland? That aside, there's no evidence for this as people postulated that Olusola made this statements to cement his foothold in Ilorin. And people who are close to the family claim they're of Egba origin and this is the case with majority of families in Ilorin, they're all settlers because Ilorin was similar to a camp and you'd find people from different parts of Yorùbáland and beyond. The Ajikobi family originated from Iseyin for instance, don't say things you don't know bro

But that's not all. Like I told you, if Islam was brought to Yoruba land from Mali, then every evidence of culture and social assimilation point to the fulani as the agents.

I didn't dispute this, did I? What I'm disputing is you automatically claiming Malians are Fulanis when not all of them are, plus those who brought Islam to us were traders and there's no evidence they were Fulanis. Stop using Saraki case because the Saraki family mentioned 200 years ago, and Islam in Yorùbá land was way present before 200 years lol

For example, fulani emir exists in Ilorin and other places in the north. So if you as Yoruba Muslims accept the authority of the sultan to sight the moon on your behalf and give spiritual direction as the supreme authority on Islamic affairs, it's because you recognise that they colonised you.

The emir of Ilorin was placed by Yorùbás, the vast majority of the kingmakers of Ilorin are Yorùbás. And we depending on the Sultan is because he's the leader of Nigerian Muslims, in Islam we pay attention to the rulers because they unite the people. We don't care about tribe as that's secondary, I know you wouldn't understand this as tribalism has fried your braincells and the religion you hold on to has made you subservient to your British masters.

It's even very funny. You accuse Christianity of being a product of slavery. Yet Nigerian Christian pastors are all over the UK leading churches.

I didn't lie na, Christianity spread into Yorùbáland after we were defeated by the British, this same British then gave you guys the religion and you accepted. You accepted the religion of your conquerors and till date you're subservient to this religion from your British masters, not only that, all those that spread the religion were either former slaves or descendents of slaves. What more do you need?

Come and show me chief imam of a mosque in Kano who is Yoruba. An average Hausa wouldn't even allow you to lead him in prayers cause he sees you as lesser Muslim to him. What bigger slavery exists than that.

If you actually went to the north you wouldn't be talking like a retard, in Kano they speak Hausa, do you think they'll allow an Imam that can't communicate in the local language? How Hausa do you see leading in Yorùbá mosque? I speak Hausa and I've lead prayer and preached to Hausas, there's nothing there. Go mssn in Abu Zaria and you'd find Yorùbás who are the Amir. In case you don't know, mssn in all institutions in Nigeria including North was established by Yoruba Muslims, Alhaji Abdullateef Adegbite. And till date the northerners follow it.

When will a Yoruba become chairman of NSCIA?

The head is the Sultan, following him is a Yorùbá man and following the Yorùbá is an Igbo Muslim

You guys gleefully complain about the transatlantic slave trade while you conveniently ignore the trans-saharan slave trade that was majorly carried out by your Muslim superiors which you remain subservient to spiritual wise till today.

LMAO The trans saharan slave was entirely different from the transatlantic, many of those who were doing the enslaving were black people, unlike the other which was white enslaving black. And Islam allows slavery only true warfare, so whatever happened then is condemned. But this argument can't work here because transsahara slave trade was majorly in east africa against bantu tribes (who also engaged in expansion that killed thousands)

Like I already told you and you can't argue, no one forced them to go to the school. If they didn't want to be "forcefully converted" they could have avoided missionary schools all together.

Those schools aren't missionary school mate, even if they were, I thought we were one regardless of religion? Or you telling me you don't have Muslim members in your households who were Hijabs? If you don't pull it from them at home, why then pull from children? Hypocrites!

Is that not what Boko haram is fighting for? Why do you want Sharia but want to attend missionary schools? Should you not first fight for Muslim children to attend quraniyya schools first before fighting for Sharia? What manner of hypocrisy is dis?

I'm sensing you're crying already, stop crying, it's just a discussion. We attend govt schools, I wouldn't advice any Muslim to attend missionary schools as there equally good islamic schools now. Those schools aren't missionary schools the moment Muslim taxpayers are used for it.

And yes. Christians wear choir robes to school for harvest thanksgiving, mass and other spiritual programs.

You wanna play fast one abi? No Christian school allows children wear choir robes to class to study, if there are any, give me proofs and you'd get £100. I'm not talking about Thanksgiving or spiritual programs, those aren't class activities mate.

So ansarudeen should allow them wear those robes on such days if they want to be what you claim they are.

Ansarudeen doesn't even allow Muslims wear jalabia and other type of clothings, so why should they allow choir robes on your special day? Are you dense?

Pls show me pictures of Christians wearing berets in ansarudeen schools. Which Christian will even allow his children go to ansarudeen with their very low standards when compared to missionary schools which y'all lust after.

Dumb dumb, Ansarudeen schools aren't Islamic missionary schools anymore, they've been collected and are managed by the Govt and so anyone is allowed to attend. And I've attached screenshots from two Ansarudeen schools in different States

You Yoruba Muslims are just suffering from inferiority complex. You want to attend missionary school but want to wear hijab. Same way one girl was called to the bar and wanted to wear hijab when we've had a female CJN from the core Muslim North who never wore hijab under her wig. Talk about looking to be more Muslim than Shekau.

Yes, we wanna wear hijab in government schools not missionary schools because we know y'all are bigots and we would fight you with everything.

We don't care about any northern cjn, we are Muslims and we wanna follow our religion to the core. We not here to please anyone, so cry me a river

Omoodua007:
Mr Ilorin why not institutionalize sharia in your Ilorin & offa Na by force to do sharia for Yoruba land
Secular Muslims have said no
The entire Yoruba Christaindom has said no
Your jihad has failed as it has been failing since 1600s
Useless Fulani slave

There are Shari'ah courts in Kwara State, now stop repeating this dumb rhetorics in my mention Yoruba Christian

Smooyis:
In any society we have the good and the bad. The attributes I mentioned are for the omoluabis. The real Yoruba virtues.

If Yorùbás are truly omoluabis, then Yorùbá land would be heaven. Apart from Lagos, which other state is functioning? Be truthful to yourself na

Smooyis:
This can never happen. We in the South West are not controlled by religion. We are considerate and God fearing in all we do

Yeah that's true, no wonder Yorùbáland is littered with drug addicts, cultists, area boys, armed robbers, ritualists and constant intra-tribal clashes Yorùbá o bẹrù Olohun o

BSsniffer:
Confirmed foolany cow fvcker......watch out for bandits while you're shitting along the road.

I'm not in Nigeria for now, but be restassured I'm waiting for any bastard Fulani or Yorùbá bandit

BSsniffer:
Foolany cow fvcker masquerading as Yoruba.....you ain't good at it.

I'm more Yoruba than your entire generation, plus I just discovered I'm a descendant of Oduduwa himself

UtilityRational:
they are already divided when yoruba xtian zealot denied the yoruba muslims right to wear hijab in public schools and buildings . its only fools and pretenders that dont know that.

let the yoruba xtian stop the hypocrisy and pretending. sharia is for/ apply only to muslims, so what is their problem with it

You dey mind the hypocrites? This same Yorùbá Christians told me one of the reasons for opposing the hijab on little kids is because it can be used to carry bombs, from this statement, Yoruba Christians believe Yoruba Muslims are potential terrorists.

Igbos don't oppose Yorùbá Muslims in Hijab and other affairs, it is the Yorùbá Christians. All the court cases regarding Hijab has Yoruba Christians at the forefront, so you can see they're deceiving themselves

Mjpem23:
Na all of una know sef....
I’m from Kwara capital city and a Muslim from clerics family... if I denounce Islam today, Allah dem no born anybody well to come play Sharia law with me.... e no go funny.

We sabi say na mouth Yorùbá people get na, just mouth

Worksunlimited:
A Yoruba Muslim is a Yoruba man before he is a Muslim...

No, I'm a Muslim before I'm a Yorùbá.

I'm a Muslim first, then humanity and then Yorùbá. Humanity has given more than the Yorùbá tribe

Ishilove:
Somebody needs to put this Akintola man on a leash

You can try it, stop beating your chest on nairaland, try it and see

Jesuschristus:
Why are Christians not using Christian law??

Common and customary law

nelsonebby:
Our tradition comes before religion.

Is this man actually Yoruba?

What useless traditions?

babamoha:
Mr religion is vast and it requires serious understanding
Mind you before the Advent of Islam in Africa we have our own religion and also Nigeria is a secular state so religion concept will not be tolerated.
Not everything inside Quran is useable in here.

Did you read the verse I gave you? Do you know if you deny any verse from the Quran, you become keferi? I know Africa has its religion but I'm a Muslim and Nigeria being a secular doesn't mean I can't rule by the laws of my religion

Agbegbaorogboye:
My first sentence. Fulani are the most itinerant tribe in West Africa. The evidence abounds everywhere.

Well this your opinion!

It's funny you made an assertion without proof but ask me to disprove it. I already gave you proof that Fulani from Senegal and Mali colonised you guys using Islam. That's why till today, the sultan is the one who sights the moon on your behalf.

This was your assertion:

Agbegbaorogboye:
Mali and Senegalese are fulani.

This is a lie because majority of Senegalese and Malians aren't Fulanis, Fulanis don't even make up 20%. And for your claim that they brought Islam, you are yet to prove that, give me proofs backed by history and not the rubbish you read from Yorùbá supremacy WhatsApp groupchats.

And how we sight our moon isn't your business

It's even worse if you believe Hausas brought Islam to you guys. Hausas are slaves of fulani which makes you slave of slaves.

I never said Hausa brought Islam to us, did I? And you need to stop talking about slave this slave that. Christianity was brought to you through slavery, you were subdued by British guns and they pumped in missionaries who deceived y'all into Christianity. You don't get to talk about slavery when major proponents of the Christian faith in Yorùbá land were former slaves

Lol. Do you even hear yourself? You're blaming Christians for the backwardness of Muslims. Like Christians are supposed to ensure Muslims are educated. This is very funny. If Rasheed became Richard in a missionary school. Blame not the missionary school. Instead blame Rasheed who chose to go there. Or was he forced there? You claim your Islam is better than Christianity. Yet you want to enjoy the benefits of Christianity which is education. How shameless!!

Of course they were forced, what's the difference between those who kidnap kids from north and force them into Christianity and vice versa? Children were sent to school to study but you have missionaries deceitfully converting kids into their religion, I know as a Yorùbá Christian, you'd justify almost anything for your British masters. It's almost 200 years and y'all are still subservient, still bootlicking them.

The hijab issue is another example of your hypocrisy. When are you going to allow Christians wear choir robes to ansarudeen schools?

Look at this dumb question, do Christians even allow Christian students wear Christian choir robes in Christian schools? If yes, I challenge you to name one Christian school that specified choir robes for its students in everyday life and I'll give £100.

And yes, Ansarudeen schools allow Christian students wear beret instead of Hijab, that's to show you how tolerant and peaceful Yorùbá Muslims are. But you guys see Muslims as potential terrorists even little kids, these are the same Muslims you claim are one with you o

Agbegbaorogboye:
[s]Thank me later. I hope you know Fulani are the most itinerant tribe with colonisation in their blood.
Secondly, let's assume you're right Muslim were forced to change their names and religion to attend missionary schools. You need to know that going to school was not by force then. There was no constitution that guaranteed rightful or mandatory schooling then. It's called prerequisite. Just as you have to pass common entrance and cut your hair to attend some female schools then. It was never by force. It was a choice. You either shape in or ship out. The Muslims could have attended quraniyya schools instead. No one will arrest them for it.[/s]

I hate people who go ahead of themselves, your screenshot rightly pointed majority of Senegalese and Malians aren't Fulanis. Now my challenge to you is, give me evidence of these Senegalese or Malian Fulanis(<20%) bringing Islam to Nigeria, mind the early Hausas who became Muslims were from these same Senegalese. All the contacts Yorùbá had with Islam from Mali weren't from Fulanis, i challenge you to disprove this.

It's only a fool that'll deny what happened during the colonial era to Muslims especially in Yorùbáland, this today is one of the reasons why the Muslims are disadvantaged in terms of education due to policies by the missionaries as protected by the colonialists. Demanding Muslims to change their religion and names, all Muslims that went in came out as Christians, Rasheed became Richard, no matter how you deny this, it'll continue to be a fact.

I wouldn't even go to how Yorùbá Christians mistranslated the Quran and used it to proselytize Muslims. The wickedness and deceit of you guys is second to none, not even igbos do this. I don't see the igbos or northerners as enemies rather it's you guys, all the court cases regarding Hijab aren't against igbos or northerners but Yoruba Christians. Igbos or northerners don't pull hijab from the head of Muslim kids, it is Yorùbá Christians who always claim we're one with them that do this shit

Christistruth00:
Who mentioned Lagunju?

So which Timi ruled by Shari'ah in Ede?

colestephan86:
The south westerners are Yorubas first before they became Muslims or Christians.
Yorubas will always be yorubas first before any religion

We're Muslim first, Yorùbá Christians have proven times without number that they're not truly our brothers

colestephan86:
Even Yoruba Muslims won't accept it

LMAO, you have no idea!

ivolt:
I have no problem with Sharia as long as it is a private and consensual affair.

It is a myth that Sharia is only for muslims.
Many non-muslims were arrested during Ramadan in Kano and you can't even buy beer
as a non-muslim.

There's difference between Shari'ah and Hisbah

Jagunlabiodua:
[s]All Sharia courts and whosoever occupies it here in Yorubaland will be burnt to ashes, we the traditionalist will destroy them. Bring it on, we will dip IFA in the desert caliphate this time around. Religion was a trick used to destroy and dethrone the Hausas and Illorin people, our ancestors destroy this fanatics and we here now will do the same.[/s]

We're waiting for you, we know say na mouth una get. Just try it, we now that traditionalists na only noise una sabi make. Your masquerades are bloodied everytime, na just noise una sabi

Agbegbaorogboye:
Mali and Senegalese are fulani.
Besides, you claim Christianity was imposed through slavery, colonization, deceit and oppression.
Remind me what happened in Ilorin again.
How did the whole northern emirs become Fulani?
At least Christianity was never forced on anybody by the colonialists. If you have evidence of such, show it. Unfortunately, the Hausas can't say same.

Mali and Senegalese aren't Fulanis, a simple research would've helped you but as usual you'd type rubbish.

Christianity that forced and deceptively converted Muslims? Demanding Muslims change their names and religion just to be educated?

Christistruth00:
[s]
There was once Sharia law introduced by an Oba of Ede who had lived in the North for many years before becoming the Timi of Ede

His reign was so horrible that the People of Ede in Osun State swore his descendants would never rule Ede again that was over 150

Years ago and to this day none of his descendants has been allowed to mount the Throne of Ede Town again

That was when Yorubas started using the Proverb “Won da Seria fun “ which means “ He was given the Sharia Punishment “

to describe a very Cruel type of punishment
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Yorùbá Christians with their lies, Timi Lagunju was described by missionaries as very tolerant and peaceful, the only people who complain about him were bulgars, bandits, prostitutes, adulterer/adulteress and other criminals. So my guess is you're probably a descendant of one of the above mentioned.

Oba Lagunju as described by historians: Timi Lagunju effectively checked all forms of stealing and burglary. If anyone was caught in the act of stealing, the Timi would sell him into slavery and would also sell members of his family. A few men having been made examples, all potential thieves were effectively checked

babamoha:
Although am a Muslim but I don't buy the ideal of turning the south west to a Sharia state or to introduce Sharia law.
Sharia law my foot

Read Quran 5:44-49

liasmiram2567:
What concerns you with Muslims using Sharia law Are you forced to accept it?
You are not a Muslim for God sake.

Don't mind the hypocrites

drlateef:
What has that got to do with Christians? You can see the mockery of so called Yoruba nation. They want to determine what Muslims must get. Very stupid and irrational outburst.

They wanna make it on their own terms, this would never work. The Muslims have been demanding for Shari'ah since the 19th century and we'll get what we want whether they like it or not

Olril18:
are u sure you're not mad?
who is being persecuted in Sw?
I'm a Muslim and we don't shariah law in Sw..we know the fools fighting for the bs are paid jobbers of you northerners...
keep the nonsense shariah in the north.

You're calling Shari'ah nonsense? Do you know you can become a keferi because of that utterance? Which is the supreme and best law, Shari'ah or secular?

4four:
God bear me witness, I am not only Muslim, I am proudly one and everyone around me know that. That is apart.

Let me tell u some cennerole which if u are in any SW State u will observe them

When I get to work today, I show some of my colleagues this topic of which some are Muslims and others Christians, u known what happened? Some them just bust to laugh while others just smiled, one of the Muslim among them said "Kole work" meaning it can never work, did u known why? Out all the Muslims in my department ( About 10 of us) it is only two of us that do not take alcohol and do not womanise, pls tell me how will this set of people support sharia laws? And this is kind of life most SW Muslims leave

Secondly, (this one is personal, I lost my dad very early in life and my mum got sick along the way) I was raise from my teenage age to my adult hood till I finished my higher institution by my aunty who all her family are Christians, she and her children was there for me both financially and emotionally. She carry 90% of my financial responsibilities from my teen age till I left her house, even the first house rent, she still made part of the payment even do I am working. she is even one the reason I am still practicing islam today if not probably I may not be there or here. And I also have one uncle who has formally contested for ogun state governor b4, who is a Muslim, when I want to do my final year project in school, I went to him for assistance, did u know how much he gave me? 1k, this is for mechanical engineering student project ooo, and this was the 1st and last time I went to his house. so what I am trying to push, is it's not religion affiliate that make somebody be Ur real brother, Christians or traditional worshippers can be Ur real brothers. Mind u if I see u as my fellow Muslim want to haunt my aunt or cousins or nice for religion purpose, did you know what I will do for you? I will killt u with out no Macy.

I have alot of cenneroles on my head that I can give u that majorities SW Muslims are not religion fanatic, forget what that Ishaqe of Muric and very! very!! Few fanatics Muslims they feed una down north, if dare try introduce it, it is we Muslims that will fight against it not even Christians or traditional worshippers.

Again, check all the state and region this sharia is being practice in Nigeria, how do citizens of those states behave, somebody go abuse GOD in France, they will start killing their fellow Nigerians who are Christians and also somebody go plasphemy in Nigerians either Christians or Muslims next thing is kill either s/he, why will anybody kill his or her fellow human being for Almighty God? Are they the God he Abuse? What happened to leave the fight for GOD to fight for HIS SELF? if it is we ordinary human being that will now have to be fighting on the behave of GOD then who is going to be fighting on our own behave? ...... SW seeing something like this from those state practicing sharia, will never want to go near it, because we are not barbarians and do not have terrorist mind

No wonder you have this kind of mentality as you were raised by Christians. If you say you're Muslim, then read Quran 5:44-49.

And why do y'all keep mentioning failed states and the north? Shari'ah was practiced in some areas of Yorùbáland before the North. How come crime rate is far low in Saudi Arabia? Hope you know despite the secular law in Yorùbáland, Yorùbáland is wrecked by ritualism, drug problems and crimes. How come secular laws haven't curb this?

And demanding for our rights as Muslims isn't extremism, it's our right, Lagos Muslims for instance have been demanding for Shari'ah since 1900, this is 121 years. Can you imagine this?

If I may ask you, if you Insha'Allāh have a family and grow old and die, how should your properties be shared? How about divorce and inheritance? How can we Muslims do this?

sulaak:
Secular law

So the law Allāh, Olohun gbogbo Agbaye gave Prophet Muhammad (salallaahu alayhi wasalam) is deficient and inappropriate?

ayorinde217:
Mark it, you won't be spare by those Fulani marauder. Done with you

Who's talking about Fulani? Or you think I seek validation from Fulanis? Abi what kind of thinking is this? Fuucck them Fulanis

And I'm getting gun license when I finally settle in Nigeria against Yorùbá and Fulani bandits, anyone try rubbish, bullet into the middle of the head

Gani Adams, na you and your Papa go die, omo ale buruku

Koni ye anybody that wants to cause problems in Yorùbaland

cetar:
So does it now make sense to abuse Islam, Muslims and other Yorùbá Muslims who had nothing to do with this?

Just went through your profile. Does it make sense to open multiple threads that malign Christians and generalize all Christians because of the problems you have with Yoruba Christians?

You're basically a hypocrite decrying hypocrisy....smh

Now you'll claim that you're not maligning Christians and you're just talking about "real life"

Oh and Yes. It makes absolute sense for me to abuse Islam (not Muslims). Islam is an Ideology not a person or a race. People aren't born with Islam. People convert to and leave Islam everyday. Their DNA doesn't change when they leave Islam.

Refute my threads na, whatever I say about Yorùbá Christians is true and y'all proved that time and time again. Go through this thread and look at the comments, switch the religion, would you accept it if it were you? Bunch of hypocrites!

Continue abusing Islam o, we've always known you guys are deceivers and hypocrites who scream fake love to attract dumb suwegbe Muslims, but our eyes don clear. Not anymore!

OROSUNBOLB:
[s]
You still "wanna" ask me whatever after openly disrespecting my opinions in such a rude manner ? Typical ! Come on,why is it that you scums can't handle or have a decent discourse without being rude or resorting to name callings ? Yes,you're a scum ! The scum of all the scumbags if as a Muslim you couldn't tolerate an opinion of a fellow Muslim. What would you have done if I were a christian ? Shoot me,perhaps !

Yoruba Muslim,my foot ! Whatever that means ? You see,you can claim to be anything but definitely, you ain't an Omoluabi. You're a fanatic,the types that resort to violence to pass across their messages or use same to force their sadistic views on others ! You ain't in anyway different from Shekau of Boko haram !

You lost that opportunity to engage me or ask me any question on the subject matter the moment you stupidly crossed out my earlier post. That's rudeness and it shows how low and quite petty you're ; a redundant rapscallion ! You're not a Muslim,not to even talk of being a good one. You're just one of these many religious lunatics,like that MURIC guy,that are creeping into Yoruba land in recent times. You will have millions of Omoluabi Muslims like my humble self to contend with in Yoruba land as we won't allow you to divide us with your fanatical views on religion.

The twelve sharia states in northern Nigeria,how are they faring ? Show us any enviable things you might want us to emulate from them being sharia states - terrorism,banditry, kidnapping or what exactly ? Is that what you're wishing for us in Yoruba land with your political sharia that's devoid of the fear of Allah ?

You don't deserve a response from me but I had to tell you that you're stupid ! I'm done with you onijagidijagan esin !
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Load of crap, I simply asked you a simple question and you're doing incantations. I don't care about North or whatever they do, my own concern is the affairs of Yoruba Muslims.

Now go back and answer my questions and stop pouring me spit!