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Ahah they av tranfered d thread down here (i don dey c warnings). @op bye bye cos i dnt wanna b banne or av my post hidden for silly reasons.. Kei this ppl ehn

No language is superior in this world.they all carry equal weight. There is even an hadith that says loving one's country/nation is part of worship. So if this is so y shd i place a tribe/nation/language above my own? Y shd i make my language second class? All d wonderful names in arabic can b translated to any languages of d world.y shd i make my language name second name and make anoda first name? Y cnt d arabs love yoruba and adopt it as their first name too. Placing arabic language above all else is simply mind game and a tool for control, sometin they av been doing for eons dt we av erroneously acept to b true. Unda strict scrutiny we wil find it to b false.u wil even c ppl askin for ur muslim name(aka islamic name) when u told them ur name is opeyemi as if opeyemi is nt a muslim name. I have already started enlighten ppl around here and they av started changing (infact mst of them marvel at hw silly they av been for years)...

Akin d archi: Well, dats y we listen to only certified scholars and not boko haram leaders for quranic lessons...

and how do u decide who is a certified scholar and who is not who award certificate of certification and who confer excellence on individuals for competence (cos am sure God doesnt annoint anyone)

Akin d archi: and sometimes all the different meanings of the words actually fit the context in different ways...hence some miracles of the quran, but let's not even talk about those here. And other times its not dat d word wud av different meanings, but rather it has a DEEPER meaning that no english word can describe.
For example, translation of solat is prayer, which is an inadequate word in meaning for solat....and our good friend Tbaba1234 gave d example of rahman also, one word but encompassing a lot of characteristics without which it won't be d same word. In arabic they could av 5 different words for one thing, say fear. They wud av one word for fear of an unknown, another word for fear of sometin u av experienced before, another word for irrational fear, another word for fear of sometin someone else narrates to u, and so on, if thses different words were in different parts of the quran and they were all translated to english "fear" the translation loses dat depth of meaning of the kind of fear. I hope u get my drift

there is deeper meaning in all languages but then there is a simple one word meaning... just like peace can be explained in 1000 ways in english the same way Salam can be explained 1000ways in arabic to but then peace=salam (no addition and no subtraction anything else is a form of distraction)

babylolaroy: Enough of ur b.u.llshit already. you wrote that scratch. ok. kudos. if yu had sed Muhammad was true nd ds nd dat, ofcos he wudnt call yu attention seeker cos then yu wudav been saying the truth, buh what yu av on ground right nau is sooooo very irritating it makes a human being wants to puke
You know what baby?..get a seat and a life. Forget about misconceptions in islam. focus on YOU!!

in order words you want him to tell you what you want to hear.. sorry to disappoint you babe, life is much more simpler than that, the op is using his brain, mayb u should start using yours


you know what baby??...you should also get a seat and a life. forget about someone else misconception view on islam. focus on YOU

Akin d archi: Oh boy.... I really would like to understand the purpose of this thread @op. I know I am may not be all that knowledgeable as respect to deen, but do u really believe that this is doing more good than fitnah?
And I am just curious, do u know some surah in arabic or any other language? And if u do, how easy or hard was it for u. *i am not asking u these to argue, wud just like to understand u better, and u are free to ignore the questions

how can someone convictions and opinions be a fitnah?? is he shoving it down our throat like the lords in Islamic section a fitnah only arise when u believe u av a monopoly of something (e.g maclatunji)..

the op stand have always be the stand of the Sufi (they always clamour for oneness and unity) not the Sufi we have this days ooooo.. the foundational teaching of Sufism is unity,oneness and love nothing more, thats why u will never see any real Sufi master calling anyone unbeliever, they will never say someone will go to hellfire, they will never talk back at those that speak against them (am not talking of this days wanna be Sufi ooo)

Akin d archi: Nevr said u were seeking attention, but anyhow, my question about the purpose of the thread was did u start it to educate fellow muslims and christians and whoever else there is alike, or did u post it to seek d opinion of others on the matters u raised.

the two questions u raise aren't mutually exclusive.. they both go hand in hand. its now left for readers to either look into it, look beyound it or look behind it (its our call not his)..

onegig: @Username..

Me hate? I never do that. When the forum was even filled with hypocrites and all sorts i never hated anyone. Hate is a strong word. I like discussing and arguing on issues but the way you have come around with this is wrong. You aren't here to discuss. You came around passing a misconception about a misconception you feel you need to clear the air on. And you went on as if you were passing a fatwa.

You can go to the muslim section and see us argue but we argue to learn more. When issues come up and i have different views of things and someone brings a differing one. I clearly sit back and watch what he has said and look at the verses he has quoted. Serving God ain't about who's right or who's wrong. It's about following what is right and laid down.

The Prophet enjoys us to seek knowledge and question our religion on what we don't understand . But please ask yourself. Have you done this with an open mind. You seem like someone who's ashamed of his religion and is distancing himself from it. My wordof advise for you. Don't look at what the so called adherents of a religion do but what the religion says. Each verse of The Quran you quoted always comes with a fiqh that best explains the verses. Don't take them in isolation. That's the mistake most non muslims make. I have nothing to add i guess tbaba has tried to clear the air on things. I hope you would look at things more objectively.

arguments in islamic section ke all u guys do there is behave like zombies, always afraid to offend the lord there (aka maclatinji and tbaba.. they are the lords of islamic section and all they say is final, the prophets of our time)... say anything contrary to what they say and u will be banned..

if this topic was posted on Islamic thread, almost all supporting arguments would have been banned or even have the thread banned sef....

learning ke for that islamic section DAMN!!!!! any contrary view is banned and termed anti-islamic as if they have monopoly for islamic definition

@op u get sense for posting the thread here at the general section

usermane: @Sissle, those who memorise qur'an in arabic find it easy because they recite by singing it, paying no attention to the meaning, Qur'an is not poetry. If you start singing with English Qur'an, you 'll able to memorise it too. Moreover,memorising the Qur'an is not as good as understanding it. People memorise the Qur'an and still fumble in application. Enough for you is to read and understand,u can go for extra though.

thank you for this... its not enough for a Gardner to love flowers, he must hate weeds and pets

[quote author=Yoruba_Jesus]Who the fvck are you to tell me shitte. Listen I have a reason for my existence and that is to bring as many souls to heaven as possible. To you guys, it might seem like a joke but hell is fvcking real and if you go there it won't be a God anymore. Fear Jehovah and don't joke about it except of course you are as dumb as the devil[/quote]guy u are a clown, u need to be performing on stage for peeps in ARO.....o'boy this is rili a classical case... oxymoron at its best

[quote author=Yoruba_Jesus]If you really have sense, why cant people see it wtitten on your forehead.

Ode, mumu, sugomu, olodo, son of the devil. Do the world a favour and die please i beg you. People like you are the reason evil exists on earth.

How dare you talk about heaven like this. You no dey fear God. If only men were gods, i would have turned you to the bacteria that feeds on the mucus that comes out of a dead rats a.s.s.[/quote]we know nah say heaven is great and sweet and its for people like you not for op and people like me thats why we are saying you should commit suicide massively and go to heaven quick quick.. or why u stil dey suffer for this evil world nah...abeg do us d favour and go home

FOLYKAZE: I ran across a christian cult called Heaven Gate yesterday. The group was founded by Marshall Applewhite on christian theological doctrines which encompass bible and belief in God, apocalypse (end time) and heaven. As with some other New Age faiths they combined Christian doctrine (particularly the ideas of salvation and apocalypse) with the concept of evolutionary advancement and elements of science fiction, particularly travel to other worlds and dimensions.

March 26, 1997 brought the grizzly discovery that 39 members of the Heaven's Gate cult had committed mass suicide. It was reported by Dailymail that those that committed this suicide believe that the Hale-Bopp comet was a sign they should leave Earth.

Considering particularly the situation in Africa and the state of Nigeria especially......suffering, corruption, disease, death, insecurity, unemployment, starvation, natural disasters, political and economical instabilities are increasing with days. Disagreement, hatred, conflict and killing among brothers, families, commuties, town, nations are common as prophecised by the bible. Christian especially tag this as the sign of the end time as stated by their scripture. Pastors and ministers are preparing some through published books, sermon and media for the coming heaven which is going to put an end to this calamities and open door for goodness, peace and world which person wont strive anymore. They are spreading the good news that death, poverty, suffering, corrupt government and disagreement will end only in heaven and those that make it will enjoy these till eternity.

Christians on the other way have been waiting for this rapture few years back, unfortunately it never come. Some said it coming in the 80s, some said 90s, some pinned it to 2012 and Obadiah777 evaluated that at some months ago the end will come. Since christians still live with the atrocities on planet earth....their prayers failed as cant change anything....they are still bend to go to heaven and see earth doom with the evil in it.

Heaven is their home.....that is where you guys came from. Heaven is blissful home where suffering and evil wont exist again.....it sure for christians but are still found in millions suffering on earth. It is said that when journey doesn't favour you, quickly take a walk back home. Muslims have martyrs (suicide bombers) who die to fasten their way to heaven. Buddhist and Jain starve to death to pave way for escaping suffering on this crude earth.


Why cant Nigerian christians commit massive suicide like Heaven gate cult?

Why are you guys enduring on evil earth which is rule by satan when you have sweet heaven?

'Thy kingdom come' is your motto.....if it not coming, then go for the kingdom. Dont you think massive suicide is it that can move ya all to heaven?

If this cant help, your heaven is fictional place in your mind and your faith is capital nonsense. Lets see you end this suffering on all your side once and for all.

u are wicked oooo wetin den do u nah.. abeg free them cos na play then dey play with the heaven rythm

Sissie: In addition to what tbaba said,

The misconception you wrote about Muslims reciting the Qur'an better in Arabic.

1. Memorization of the Qur'an in Arabic language is so much easier, than memorizing it in English, Yoruba, Hausa etc. I have NEVER come across someone who memorized the whole Qur'an in another language, infact I would love to hear or read about someone who did.

you have never seen any because they made them think its forbidden to recite Quran in another language except arabic and thats exactly wht the op is pointing us towards (indoctrination at its peak)

Sissie: If someone understands the Arabic language it would be better if he recited it in arabic, he would have a deeper and better understanding of the Quran, that's the language of the Quran.

understanding doesnt come from the type of language used but from sincerety of purpose... if i wanna learn Quran in swahili language all i need is genuine heart and the will to learn and everything else becomes easy

Sissie: However if he doesn't understand Arabic, he can memorize the Qur'an in arabic, and read the Qur'an in the language he understands so he understands what he's reading, if he reads it only in arabic, when he doesn't understand the language, how then does he understands what he's reading?

I.e there are proverbs you hear in Yoruba language, when it's translated you might not understand it fully except you understand the language.

anything can be learn in any language... no language is superior to another (some will even make u believe that arabic will be the language of God when resurrected...SEE BRAINWASHING )

Akin d archi: I did take my time to go through the op 10 myths, and to a large extent I disagree with them, but I do not av sufficient references for my opinions. I only urged dat d op wud read tbaba's post with genuity too, its not by force where everyone must be on my school of thought.
As for me, even though I don't understand arabic language, I av memorised the 1st surah and d last 27 surah both in arabic and their close translations, and I listen to scholars discuss d indebt meanings of the quan's surah. In islam we are madated to seek knowledge as long as we live and learning other languages is highly recommende so as to enble us to be able to relate wit more pple.
Even if it isn't compusory to learn arabic as u say, I would argue that learning the language would make one less vulnerable to being manipulated by extremists anyway...so at d end of the day its a win win situation for one to learn arabic. Its not like we are being asked to desert our own languages.
As regards the names...I agree dat it isn't "compusory" to change names to arabic names...but u av to realise that there are some tins dat pple do for the purpose of gaining the face of Allah dat seem irrelevant, but dat irrelevant deed may be loved by Allah, so we shudnt belittle anytin a person does for d sake of Allah, be it a change of name or refusing to step on an ant in his path. I happen to have a last name in yoruba and middle name in arabic which both av good meanings, and I use them both. Same with making dua, I make dua in both arabic and english and I av made a conscious effort to know the meaning of most of the dua I recite.
The key is to not be extreme in either direction, I.e don't say only arabic is accepted and don't totally negate the rrelevance of arabic.
We av to be careful not to make the deen hard for ourselves by making what Allah made permissible for us unlawful....
There are other points that do not agree wit but those wud really need references and I don't wanna delve into matters that I am not qualified to talk about without authority, so asalam alaykum

going by what you wrote, u and op are saying the samething.. op didnt condemn learning arabic or even reciting Quran in arabic, he is simply against shoving it down our throat that we must learn it else we are not a complete muslim

again about the issue of names, u bith are saying the same thing. he simply said no tribe is greater than the other and what is most important is the meaning of names not where it come from (he even gave example of Elizabeth and many other names)..

so bros u and op are in agreement but expressing it in different manner

onegig: At all asking peeps to clarify what the op has said. There's a difference between when you don't understand something and you outrightly come out saying you are indeed knowledgeable and what you say is the utter truth even when you give feeble reasons and you coming out to seek knowledge about something you don't really understand.

Starting from the topic you would have noticed he was already determined about his knowledge and wasn't here for a discussion. If he had named the topic " misconception I have noticed about islam" that would have been better . But he is here to gain support for his follies as you can see him shaking hands and recieving praises from his fellow brethren who swallow what he has said hook, line and sinker without a thought as to what he had said. Tell me , who would be ready to enlighten such a lost fellow?

He's on here seeking attention and i guess he's got what he wants. At op... I guess you know your LORD is above and you would give account of whatever you do or say. So maybe you cut short this feel good mission of yours and return back to your senses.

now go back re-read what you posted and tell us if u made any sense..... look beyound your nose...if u have anything contrary to what the op said, kindly refute it with fact.. the op is entitled to his opinions and we must respect that (respecting other peoples opinion is actually the first step towards becoming a muslim, towards becoming righteous)

babylolaroy: i thought you were a muslim...

and how do u know am nt a muslim?? this is what u said

babylolaroy: i am suppressing the need to insult you wallahil Azeem. i feel so inclined to break your miserable head..i wont and dats only because I Cant

tell me if that is not being violent and intolerance..... u felt inclined to break someones head

usermane: 02. MUSLIMS SHOULD BETTER RECITE QUR'AN IN ARABIC


This is an elephant in the room. Even non muslims know there is something wrong with reciting Qur'an in a language you understand not. They know getting meaning should be the concern. The prophet was not chosen to deliver the final testament because it message was in Arabic. The message had to in arabic because the final testament was to be delivered by a man whose mother tongue happened to be arabic. Had GOD chosen an English man, the Qur'an would have been revealed in English. GOD can express HIMSELF well in any language.
Qur'an 41:44, 42:7


Due to this misconception, many non arabs turn away from translated Qur'an that delivers them the message to arabic Qur'an which they mostly recite even though they don't know what they are reciting. To these guys they 'd rather read the direct arabic words as uttered by the prophet than the translation. What! how does GOD reward one for reading the scripture in a language he doesn't understand. If only they had utilised their several hours of reciting several chapters in arabic, with fast and song-like tone for studying one chapter of a translated Qur'an, it would have been better for 'em. While some of them claim the Qur'an is difficult to understand without other books or preachers. The Qur'an however reject their claims(Qur'an 54:17).

the funniest thing is you will c people making a boast that they have finished 10 recitation of Quran in a month especially during ramadan (i used to do this a lot during my ignorant times, looking back now i just laughed at my gullibilty but give thanks nonetheless for the critical mind to ask and ask and ask.... i have come to know that no true seeker can be led astray)... whats the point in reciting what u dont know or understand multiple times when u can easily take a single verse or chapter and meditate on it for hours, days or even years.... this is also stated clearly in the Quran that the whole of the Quran is in similitude (which means its our job to decipher the similitude)


i will sure bookmark this you wonderful piece or even print it for keep.

usermane: The ummayads and abbasids who took over the Islamic state after the prophet 's death were more concerned with power and wealth than the Islam. Islam during that period wasn't saved of ill innovations, and spiralled downward. Centuries, later a call was made to reconcile and redefine Islam as GOD revealed it. But then, with the centuries long gap between then to the era of the prophet, there was hardly any good that could be done. Thus, today Islam, as practiced by majority have very little if anything to do with the Islam of the Prophet 's era.

Ummayads and abbaids changed the face of the Islamic religion over centuries for their selfish gain... i am convinced that 70% of what is practiced today is not what existed during the Prophet time.

and about the Caliph, its on record that they all took arms against theirself after the death of the prophet just for sake of control... its even on record that Aisha prophet wife took arm and formed a group of warriors against Ali before she was defeated (and yet they call her the mother of the believer )... its also on record that Kabbah was destroyed by the so called caliph during one of their wars... Uthman was killed, Ali was killed (all this happened just within a decade or two of prophet demise and yet we say they are the best caliph.. and these are the same set of people that compilled the Quran,they are the same set of people that handed down the mode of practise)

God will bless you for this wonderful piece... i wish am good in writing and articulate in bringing out my point, i would have cos there are proofs abound everywhere both within the Quran and hadith and 3rd parties narrators, even within the fold narrations also

usermane: 03.
MUSLIMS SHOULD BETTER SUPPLICATE IN ARABIC.


Most muslims pray to GOD in arabic,thinking arabic is the ideal language to get GOD 's quickest response. Some ask GOD for their need in their dialet then recite some verses(most without any relevance to supplication to GOD) of Arabic Qur'an or other arabic words[(du'as)(heedless of the meanings)]. Such du'as can be found in several books indicating specific arabic du'as for specific wants,that muslims in one sitting recite hundred to thousand times. Some muslim wrongly believe these du'as are 'magic words', GOD prefer and instantly respond to. Some muslims even write on slate, Qur'an verses or those arabic du'as, wash the ink in a container and consume to heal them of illness.


This huge misconception discourages one from supplicating to GOD in one 's language,words or manners. At times it doesn't make sense. Read the meaning of Chapter 112, for instance, which muslims love to recite in their supplication. You will observe that it has nothing to do with supplication to GOD.


Somehow, this whole 'prayer' must better be in arabic is an illusion. And there are no such thing as 'special magic words' or specific du'as that exclusively guarantees instant grant of one request.

the funniest thing is people just recite things that they dont understand and they will even cram it.. what is the use of saying something u dont understand, of what benefit is it??

usermane: 05.
ONLY 'MUSLIMS' WILL INHERIT PARADISE

The definition that; Anyone who claim to believe in Qur'an is a Muslim is wrong. And the notion that ; 'only muslims will inherit Paradise' more wrong in the context of most speakers.
According to GOD, those who believe without setting up partners and are righteous the true muslims who will enter paradise.

Qur'an 2:62, 5:69
"Those who believe, and those who are Jews and Christians, who believes in GOD and ressurection and work righteousness, on them shall be no fear or grief".
This is the minimum requirement to inherit paradise.

The name 'muslim' is not restricted to those who accepted Qur'an. And that one accepted Qur'an doesn't automatically make him a 'muslim'. Before Abraham there were muslims among the people of Noah, Ad or Thalmud, they believed in GOD 's messengers but did not perform salat,zakat,fasting or pilgrimage, as they were not asked to. Some of them existed during the era of Abraham without performing the islamic rite because they were unable to confirm Abraham 's messengership. Such people who simply believe and are righteous, though un able to confirm other messages of GOD may still not be extinct. GOD is pleased with them all.
As with the above verses, even during Qur'an revealation GOD informs us that there existed Jews & Christians then who did not accept the Qur'an but were righteous monotheists. Yes, they might not have performed the Islamic rites because their forefathers had lost them but they are not disbelievers. Even today such Jews or Christians could still be found. All of them, GOD guarantee eternal life.

this is the greates misconception of all and there are verses in the Quran that clearly clear this issue, again i wonder why people dont see it.... the word "righteousness" is mentioned countless times in the Quran and how this set of people are the real muslims and righteousness has nothing to do with pillars of Islam unless the word righteousness means something else... the pillars are only a guide and help towards becoming righteous, the ultimate goal is righteousness and not the so called pillars (thats why its said that the only religion accepted in the sight of God is Islam) and what is Islam " Acquiring peace by surrendering to the will of God". what is the will of God "to become righteous"

usermane: Yes, Muhammad delivered a magnificient Book,the Final testament all alone to the whole of mankind. It was an enormous mission. GOD however did not exalt him over other messengers. Unike Muhammad :
Adam, GOD created without parents,GOD asked all the angels to prostrate before him(Qur'an 15:28-30). Yet GOD did not exalt him.
Abraham, GOD called HIS "Friend"(Qur'an 4:125),who was never an idolator(Qur'an 16:123). Yet GOD did not exalt Abraham.
Moses, GOD "spoke directly" to(Qur'an 4:164). Yet GOD didn't exalt him above others.
Jesus, GOD supported with extraordinary miracles, talk about his "birth",his life and even his "death" was miraculous(Qur'an 5:110-113). Again GOD never exalted Jesus above any messenger.

Infact GOD spoke about all his messengers in equal light. Why then do some muslims chose to exalt or give more distinction to Muhammad.

thank you bros, i have even gone beyound this level to know that no human being is better or greater than the other. we are equal in the sight of God

usermane: 08.
PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS INFALLIBLE AND PERFECT



I hope you are not one of those who believe Prophet Muhammad was perfect,sinnless and had knowledge of the future beyond the Final testament. Else this post is yours. An educated acknowledger of GOD shouldn't follow such an erroneous conception. To compound the problem, there are those who even consider all his sahabas(friends/companions) as perfect infallible surbodinates who should be emulated,who learned and delivered accurately the truth, who the the prophet guaranteed success in Hereafter even before their death. Yet, according to Qur'an,there were bad eggs among these companions whose identity were never exposed. (Qur'an 9:101, 63:1,33:60)


We hear numerous things about the prophet. Like many muslim said he was sinnless,he didn't make mistakes in action or decision,all his deeds were divinely inspired, even his personal opinions were divine,binding upon all muslims. According to some, he smelt like perfume, he didn't have shadow, he had instant healing powers, he could bless or curse anyone.
Look at all these. Can these be true? We 'll soon know. In as much as GOD wants mankind, to obey HIS messenger, HE is fully aware that mankind have the tendency to cross the limit, setting the messenger as an idol. That is why GOD left down verses in HIS Book to guide.

this is nothing but plain truth but dont say this outside cos u might get ur arms twisted we are all finite thats why we are humans, no one is infallible and no one cant make mistakes. it was after reading the Quran for the 3rd time that i finally figured this out. it is well documented in the Quran but i wonder how people dont see it even the so called mallams and alfas

usermane: 09.
ISLAMIC CALENDAR

As if it has any Islamic or divine origin, some people call it Islamic calendar. The appropriate name is "arab lunar calendar". Ancient pagans, moon worshippers, and Jews used this calendar long before Qur'an revealation. The arab muslims didn't invent it. Even the month names have no divine or Islamic meaning. For instance "Muharram" mean "forbidden","Safar" mean "empty". These months were named after the weather or seasons of arabs at that time. History also imply that the ancient arabs even before Prophet Muhammad may have used the lunar or lunisolar calendars with the same month names as today arabs do.



Those who still insist that the current arab lunar calendar is GOD only 's chosen calendar should beware. The word "month" occured 12 times in the Qur'an and the word "day" occured 365 times. The arab and gregorian calendar have 12 months. The gregorian calendar has 365 days!This is a sign for the intelligent, this is not mere coincidence. The arab calendar, however has 354 days.


Some muslims will still call the arabic lunar calendar, the best or most accurate. This again has no justification. Moon sighting is a delicate process prone to errors.

u couldnt have said it any better

usermane: 10.
ISLAMIC NAMES


Minor? But significant. To be fair and square, most muslims believe there is a terminology known as Islamic Names. Most times, you see parent giving their giving their babies such Musa, Amina e.t.c and feeling like a million. Convert to Islam are pressed to changed their original name to the so called Islamic names for better, for worse. Additionally they insist that the name of the Almighty Creator is "ALLAH" and "GOD, JEHOVAH OR LORD" musn't be used to replace "ALLAH", for any reason. If you are from missouri, you won't accept this dogma, be you muslim or not.


First and foremost, there is no such thing as Islamic names, and what most muslims are referring to are arabic names and not all arabic names have beautiful meanings. Let us flesh out the last sentence. For instance, the names of persons like messengers in the Qur'an does not refer to the original names but the names by which such persons were referred to by Arabs before Qur'an revealations. For instance Moses was called Moshes by GOD in the Torah,just as the isrealites know him. Jesus was called Yeshua by GOD in the Gospel, the name by which the isrealites knew him. Nowhere in GOD 's previous scriptures did HE call Moses or Jesus as Musa or Isa. So which ones is the Islamic names, the original hebrew names or the derived arabic names? Your answer should be non, no such thing as Islamic names.



Long before Qur'an, arab pagans,christians and Jews had such names as Aisha, Muhammad,Mustapha, Halimah e.t.c. Some of then embranced Islam without changing their names. Even today arab non Muslims still give themselves such names. There are fine non arabic names like Elizabeth(GOD is satisfaction) or Lois(Holy), with respectful meaning. Yet muslims reject them.

Our names are reflection of our different backgrounds and languages/tribes which is among GOD 's awesome sign(Qur'an 30:22). So why try mask GOD 's sign by discriminating against non arabic names or insisting all muslim chose arabic names

imagine people telling abubakar is better that opeyemi because abubakar is arabic... i was named rabiu (meaning four) when my middle name is abolaji (if not ignorance why will anyone name his/her child rabiu "four" when there are beautiful yoruba/hausa/igbo name over some arabic mumbo jumbo)...

this name issue was truely one of my first insight into the politics of the world religions

Akin d archi: @Tbaba1234....very nice inputs, I only hope that the op is genuine and humble enough to reflect on your posts.
For those complaining about the no of rules in islam, that's just mercy from the Rabb(lord amongst other tins) that He made known to us what the limits are in EVERY thing we do to make us live a good life.
AS a similitude, if we were constantly aware of how many rules our bodies av just to keep us walking on two legs we wud realise ow important rules are. Sure engineers try to build robots to walk, but none can attain the fluidity of motion and grace of a human being... except its cyrax septor them them from mortal combat.... Allah knows best

u guys are very funny... why cant you be genuine and humble enough to reflect on the op? no one has monopoly of knowledge and that exactly what op is trying to point us to... mayb u should relax and reflect from the beginning and u will see the hidden mystery.

shinealight: Now, those that you claim are serving God without their prayers being heard may not be genuine in their serving. [b]Those who truly serve God do not make demands on Him. They simply serve him and are not doing so to bargain for something in return for their service. Human beings are not in a position to make demands upon God[/b]. Our prayer should be one of giving Thanks to the Creator at all times not one of petitioning for something or other in order to satisfy our insatiable and never-ending desires. The Almighty Creator has already provided everything man truly needs. Most of our petitions which we express in one prayer or another are borne of [b]selfish desires[/b] and yet we have the impudence to expect the Almighty to grant all of them.

u just stated the fundamental problem of religions....almost everyone worship because they want something in return (they want to go to heaven, they want to avoid hellfire, they want to be rich, they dont want to be sick, they dont want to be unbelievers, they want the good things of life, they want to be recognized, they want to be called god's own and many more to mention) and not because they are convinced that it is the right thing to do.u will c them praying for forgiveness..forgiveness for what (there can never be true peace or forgiveness without justice) they ask for forgiveness when they dont even knw what and why they are asking for it (only one reason to be pure so they can go to heaven)......

Jarus: In Islam, we are told it's a test.

Gold passes through crucible (fire) before becoming what it is.

thats why gold is useless to me..... sand and water are super important than gold

kayunited007: House. Any news on Local government coordination SM as regard Induction/Apl?

mayb u shd call anyone u knw working in NIMC HQ to help u check ur name...many people are given employment but not called or send sms to..not everybody is sent sms or called (many ppl i knw called there contact in NIMC to help them check their name), if u knw u did interview mayb u shd try and talk to anyone u knw down there or even come down urself and pretened that u are called, then ur name could be checked if u are shortlisted (guys forget about what u applied for, people are called randomly and not on the basis of what u applied for)

tolexydon: Any I.T person that has received the msg

IT is most likely next according to what i heard