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lionness: I'm still confused how a religion that bred men like Acinnai, Rumi, Gazali, Al Maqtum, and even the current ruler of Dubai today is the enclave of muderous soulless scums. Maybe Islam has reached its limits.

the so called mainstream muslims today will say the above named are not true muslim (they will go as far as name them unbeliever because they dont all agree with their sunni hadith because they are sufi masters)

Rumi and Gazali are enlightened masters and i have gained alot from their teachings

the real millionaires love failure and makes it our best friend
the real millionaires do things because they wanna be the first to test the pill of failure and end up being successful
the real millionaires dont care about success, they care about the journey
the real millionaires are happy to be tagged a failure cos we know that with every failure comes wisdom and knowledge
the real millionaires walk away once we have achieved our goal
the real millionaires are not like everyday millionaires and thats why we retire early and enjoy the best of live



success come when u dont give a rat about it and just do ur thing
why??
because it hates competition

FOLYKAZE: lol.....she don accept fate o. Like I have said before....im not a nairaland atheist. I dont do grouping things......I need to journey through my mind and explore lot in life. I dont think it should end in christianity and Islam.

You also made a mistake....I dont need to believe in Ifa or Yoruba spirituality.... I need to KNOW it. Something like I was taught and have the knowledge that 2+2 = 4. When ask next time, you dont need to say you believe it 4.....

I wont argue on my atheist stance....but if logicboy can say buddhist, jain and taoist are atheist then I am too. On nairaland, what brings us together is disbelieve in the existence of God (creator of the world, who is hungry for worship, talking, walking, angry, happy and other attribute man created to depict their God). Anything outside that I dont have business with.

the highlighted is classic.. it is not to believe but to KNOW and knowing comes from BEING (the funny thing is KNOWING and BEING cant be xplained but believe can be explained)

bolaino: my good sire, I'm not a christian, and I do not believe in the biblical jesus, frankly there are so much inconsistencies in the story of jesus, to actually make him credible and believable, the many errors and contradictions in the bible prove this. Although I do not doubt that there is a level of power attributed to the name of jesus. But I do not know why, but I know that there is definitely a force behind christianity, like wise in so many other religions. And hinduism appeals more to me.

dont allow yourself to be drag into what is religion and its not again (which is good or bad).... the more you try to find reason the more there wont be any reason.. dont allow the pitfall of knowledge and be drawn back in into the very thing u came out from......dont try to appeal to anyone just be urself.. u make it clear from the beginning that u are working towards self-realization,peace, and oneness so please dont allow urself to be drawn into twoness

this is the time for mind stillness not mind unstillness
this is the time for you to go in deep and ask question and not the time to give answers
this is the time to understand the illusion of time and not explain and understand what time is/isnt


the more u engage in religion/irreligion debate the more it become fleeting the very thing u seek

i think its now for u to let it be stop answering questions and move on

its ur life and ur decision so dont second guess it

[quote author=Road_Lord]^^^@beejay.

let me borrow some punchline from Lao Tzu

The highest good is not to seek to do good,
but to allow yourself to become it.
The ordinary person seeks to do good things,
and finds that they cannot do them continually.
The Master does not force virtue on others,
thus she is able to accomplish her task.
The ordinary person, who uses force,
will find that they accomplish nothing.
The kind person acts from the heart,
and accomplishes a multitude of things.
The righteous person acts out of pity,
yet leaves many things undone.
The moral person will act out of duty,
and when no one will respond
will roll up his sleeves and uses force.
When the Tao is forgotten, there is righteousness.
When righteousness is forgotten, there is morality.
When morality is forgotten, there is the law.
The law is the husk of faith,
and trust is the beginning of chaos.
Thank you.[/quote]another one

When people see things as beautiful,
ugliness is created.
When people see things as good,
evil is created.
Being and non-being produce each other.
Difficult and easy complement each other.
Long and short define each other.
High and low oppose each other.
Fore and aft follow each other.
Therefore the Master
can act without doing anything
and teach without saying a word.
Things come her way and she does not stop them;
things leave and she lets them go.
She has without possessing,
and acts without any expectations.
When her work is done, she takes no credit.
That is why it will last forever.

If you overly esteem talented individuals,
people will become overly competitive.
If you overvalue possessions,
people will begin to steal.

Do not display your treasures
or people will become envious.
The Master leads by
emptying people's minds,
filling their bellies,
weakening their ambitions,
and making them become strong.
Preferring simplicity and freedom from desires,
avoiding the pitfalls of knowledge and wrong action.
For those who practice not-doing,
everything will fall into place.

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[quote author=Road_Lord]Sometimes I wish dead people could come around to tell us the true state of things.

I can't argue the existence of God, the problem I have is man's helplessness. We just find ourselves here. We don't even know lot of things for example, we don't know why we sleep or where we go when we do. Then we get curious and explain things away.
Arguing there is God or not is futile. You are just a little better than people that fight for religion.


We are mental beings, we see the world differently. Somehow and somewhere down the line we have formed our perception about God.
It gets worrisome when Muslims believe all non-muslims will perish and christians believe all "non-christ-followers" will go to hell.


I don't argue religion, it is useless. I wasn't there when Jesus came, I grew up beliving that. Sue me. But why should I fight or ask others who probably came from Ifa background believe what I believe. If I want them to, then I should come up with convincing reasons.


God can make all of us access him through a channel, who knows why he didn't. He could as well show every atheist he exist. I am asked to preach the gospel as a christian, that doesn't imply I should shove it down everybody's throat. Most of us are hypocrites. Most acclaimed believers won't even make heaven. We are just experts at letting others know we have a better view of spiritual matters. I suggest we spend the time we use in criticizing others to make our ways straight as our beliefs require.


I am a believer solely for few reasons.

Statistics showed that almost everybody will die. When I die and eventually find out there is no God, which I doubt, I won't have anything to lose. I won't even want people alive to know it is a "fable"
Once u belief there is no God, then what's the point? Being good or bad becomes unimportant. That there is no life thereafter will paint a picture of society without law, no court and no judgement. That seems unlikely.
People don't talk about existence of satan, devil, demon, witches or wizards. If these guys exist, then there should be a counterpart. The presence of darkness tells a story about light.

We all have right to our beliefs. Every law supports this.
Let's live and let others live.[/quote]wonderful piece, however on the highlighted religion doesn't define morality, infact we can argue that morality pre-exist religion. we are good because we want to be good and bad because we want to be bad.
the question is what is morality, what is good and what is bad, who decide and define good and bad, what is good to you might be bad to me (in this scenario who is bad and who is good) for example yaradua died as a result of ill health (his wife and family lost their benefactor and north lost their born to rule) and GEJ became president(good for him, his wife and cronies)

Pukkah: Try and read it. It's not too long and won't take your full 3 mins.

It's worth reading.

i had to read it like 3 times, its classic.

MAYOWAK: The tragedy of Africa is that it reached the information age without first passing through the industrial age. In matters temporal, Africa got to the modern age without passing through the Enlightenment. That is why some people believe that a child was born holding a mini-Koran in its hand, or that a child came out of the womb holding a cross in its hand. Why mini-Koran? Why a cross? Why something we already know? Why does this kind of phenomenon only happen in societies that wallow in superstition? If it is a message from God, as some believe, why won’t God use the opportunity to send a definitive manual of life?

this so true, i was having this same conversation with my brother about 2hours ago not knowing someone has already done a good job on it. African is in this deep shit because we were not allowed to grow at our own pace (a case study is Nigeria religious and political mindset), the reasoning and gift of industrial age is not experienced in africa which reading and curiousity is part and parcel of and therefore no real knowledge to handle wat information age come with(what we are left with is strong propensity to accept anything at face value with strong conviction without recourse to scrutiny)

we will get there someday and if not we are doomed

erniok: varengold had to adjust to to a maximum of 0.01 when forum members were always complaining of blowing there accounts. it was really the best and showed a broker that cares for the clients.

on the blackwell issue, i chatted with support team and they said that there is no restriction whatsoever on profits, the restriction is on the $100 bonus.

ahaha bros u get the gist.. there is no way 99% of accounts will not blown over with 100$ and not lot restriction (mehnn that 100pips for 0.1 when my minimum stoploss is like 50-70pips)

fxbomovi: Its clear in the statement that profits cannot be withdrawn until a $100 deposit is made. Kirinwa is right. Its not a no deposit bonus as you called it.

yes it is a no deposit bonus with conditions (u are not depositing anything to start trading), the condition stated that u are eligible to withdraw the bonus once u av accumulated traded lot of 10 standard within a month, however, if this condition is not met withing the month u will lose the bonus but whatever profit u av made during the time will be left in ut account (the implication is after one month u av 105$-100$ will be deducted and u have a balance of 5$, however if u have like 95$ after the month xpiration the whole 95$ will be deducted leaving balance at 0$)

the condtions are clearly stated though not all that friendly and definitely not for me but its 500% better than forex-metal (if am still training like i used to this is definitely what i will be recommending for my students instead of them funding with their own money...its a wonderful learning curve material)

meteorxtra: Correction..It is possible and not only that ..whatever you have made on the $100 is still left on the account for you as balance even if the 10lots is not achieved..I hope we can all read properly before tagging this as a ripoff..It is also a promotion please and please
Do not be too eager to condemn without proper investigation
Some know this business very well and can proof ur unfounded conclusions wrong
and its not healthy to be caustic in the name of "protecting" "them" newbies like you care
that i am promoting this is a sign i want them to try something good
Pls Lets just be open for our own good for a moment I am a trader as well, I have been there, done that
here is a stint of what i did with acfx bonus introduced by a member this very thread back in the day and i made good money from it

bros relax AM NOT AGAINST IT/U, infact i support it 100% (xpecially for newbies and struggling traders) cos it allow them to grow while not risking too much (am particularly in love with the vaerangold bonus with the maximum lot of 0.01 as this will benefit an average trader to put his act in order plus it will take time to even think about withdrawal though not ideal for those that wanna make quick cash from nothing)..
u have cleared the air that its only the bonus that will be removed after the one month xpiration and not with the profit like forex-metal (though it would av been lovely if they could leave it for like 2 or 3 months so as too give traders ample time to do something good with it cos with this one month, i can bet that 98% of people getting the bonus will blow the account which will eventually make the broker lose the customer they are so in haste to have cos those customers will simply move to the next broker)

as for the do-ability of 10 standard lot in a month with 100$, i can bet its 99.98999% not possible with reasons

if the trader use:
0.1 lot it means he will have to initiate 1000 trades to equal the 10 lot (0.1lot on 100$ is suicide and 1000 trades in a month is definitely impossible)
0.01 lot means he will have to initiate 10000 trades to equal the 10 lots (10000 trades in a month!!!!!!)

**** am not saying its not possible but i will find it hard to believe****
for the record am just trying to set the record straight

biafranqueen: well said bj

abi my sister, imagine the argument back and forth since the beginning of the thread, intersting isnt it?

meteorxtrai: 7. This Welcome Bonus cannot be withdrawn as cash or transferred to another trading account of the Client unless a minimum of 100/- Dollars (ie. 100 dollars in the base currency of the account) deposit or more has been made into the live trading account and a minimum of 10 TRADED LOTS round turn has been achieved within a month upon deposit of the Welcome Bonus.
8. If a Client applies for the Welcome Bonus, but does not meet the conditions in point 7, the Welcome Bonus credited will be removed from the live trading account after a month from the credit of the Welcome Bonus. Hmmm

how did u expect them to trade 10 standard Lot (10 standard lot = 1000 mini lot=100000 micro lot)=minimum of a million dollars deal with just 100$?) within a month with just 100$??(this is in no way possible) This is tantamount to ripoff... well to each its own sha

Ominiscence=ever presence=no past=no future=no time=wholeness
When we look at tins with the lens of time we lose the essence, the beauty lies in stillness, free from all desire and we can see the hidden mistery(free from past and future and we can enjoy presence and bcome ominiscence)
Ominiscence means no desire,no past and no future therefore no struggle, it means we allow tins to come to us without stopping them and allow tins to leave us with opposing,this is wat omiscence/ominipotent. The real strenght come when we don't strugglen,this wat ominipotent mean

Logicboy03: Yawn. It was an open mind that led me to the conclusion that omniscience and freewill can not exist together.

I logically thought about it, researched and got my answer.


You are the closed minded one here. You didnt follow the steps to your conclusion about omniscience. This is because, you would know that no credible philosopher would look at omniscience and freewill as compatible

Bros am ur friend and not ur antagonist or critic, who am I to tell u wat is ryt and wat is wrong(what u shd believe and wat u shouldn't), all I am trying to do is to point to dt which u already know(dt which is already inprinted on our dna).most times we tink we knw something(we tink we av stumbled on some truth). Wen in actually fact we know nothing, no human actually knows anything, watever we tink we knw is nt even up to 1pct of earth knowledge,its our responsibilty to always seek wisdom and be ready to shift ground.wat we tink is evil or bad myt be good afterall( wat is evil or righteousness, good or bad,existence and non existence)we need to move beyound the level of duality,beyound d level of moralitym
So bros I av learnt from u down here and a whole lot of others,we should be awake like the srvant waiting for the arrival of the master else we lose d golden moment

The beauty of atheism is that it allow one to probe everythin without the compulsion of believing anything but this days atheist are becoming rigid like their religious counterpart

The world god have become empty of meaning that u see people arguing for or against as if they know what it is they argue for or against,the word god av bcome a mental idol that immediately the word is pronounced, an image of a man woith beard readily comes to mind when the word actually explain nothing but simply a plain line asking you to fill in the gap

Logicboy03: There is no contradiction between freewill and omniscience?

Instead of telling me to read something why not go and read an encyclopedia of philosophy on the problem of freewill?


Religion is the sole thing that gives ignorant people confidence against facts

Bros relax cos am not against you,am just asking to broaden ur horizon a little bit.am not a religious person neither am I atheist,agnoist,theist or belong to any group for that matter,I have realised that belonging to a particular is like discarding every other lens. While sticking to only one. And for the record there is nothing like fact in the real sense of the world so there is nothing to be ignorant about. Am also a student of philosophy and philosophy have been more thanb help to me but it doest offer any answer. As a student of philosophy which am sure u are,u should consantly keep an open mind cos u never knw when the open mindedness will be ur greatest help.
So bros am sorry if I av offended in any way trying to ask u to look within and not without, Eistein said "no problem can be solve with the same level of mind that created" which means that once u av arrived at a junction u will need ti move to the next

Logicboy03: Atheist professions?

Well, we know that most scientists in the Western world are atheists or agnostics. So, are there any other professions that lead or pushes people towards atheism?

Personally, I think poetry and philosophy pushes people to atheism as well. Of course there will be many theist/religious poets and philosophers. However, many of the poets and philosophers that I know personally or from reading about are either atheists or not religious.

Philosophy makes you to ask questions and so, if you are a deep philosopher, you must eventually question faith. A good example is the contradiction between freewill and omnipotence/omniscience. An all knowing being can not exist where there is freewill because that being will know the future with 100% certainty....meaning that the future is written in stone.


I want to know if there are any other professions the skew towards atheism....

There is no contradiction between freewill and omnipotence/omniscience, the problem is that people don't understanbd the meaning and relationship of those words. Ominiscence means no past and no future, that the only time that exist is the present moment(one seconds ago is already past), if you have timei would like you read and critisize Tao Te Ching (its an 81 poem by Lao Ztu).freewill and ominiscense/ominipotent are one and the same

Mr Critique: How can you be against sin without being judgmental? Again how can we speak again evil in the church without being judgmental like Christ did in the temple during his days?

By simply removing emotions out of your fact stating.negative thought or emotions are unconsiousness and therefore called sin.when u knw someone has done wrong simply point out the fact without identifying with I.e without making it into your identity,this is very hard at start no doubt but u can begin by watching the thought that parvade ur mind when u want to point wats wrong,when u do this u are simply shinning the light of ur consiousness on the unconsiousness of ur mind.once u are able to do this then u are not judging by simply helping a soul out of its unconsiousness.bros am not good with writing,explaining it is kinda hard for me but I will recommend a book if u av th spare time to read, the book title is A NEW EARTH (Awakening to you life purpose) by ECHART TOLLE, u can get the pdf download on 4shared..comm

bolaino: thanks mann, u just explained exactly how I feel mann, thanks mann,

Welcome bros. If u have free time try and get your hand on the poem TAO TE CHING its a 81 verse and its written by LAO TZU(its the most sacred of all taoism books and I promise u that u will love it), the book is an eye opener and also a book called A COURSE IN MIRACLE.this two books didn't say anything but yet they say everything( they are both abstract book and only a calm an discerning mind can understand and see through their abstractness)

Richfella: Ok. How did you hear about it?

I just found the book in my book library, can't even remember how it got there (so I would say the book found me), the same with almost all the books that have helped me in my journey so the truth is I didn't hear about the book but the booke hear about me

macof: I get all dat, but why do christians and muslims hate all forms of pagan religions? To the extent that they associate the religions to their devil. My guess is dat they are just to ignorant and brainwashed, most of them don't even know anything abt wat they rebuke and preach against

because they are ignorant and sometimes ignorance is bliss

Mr Troll: @OP, care to define this GOD that helped you? Because the way these christians here just de jump up and down sef. . .

How you came to be sure that in fact it is a supernatural being that had a hand in whatever fortune you found. This your write up is very vague. Some people don de claim say na their own god o! Clarify abeg

Op Doesn't acknowledge any god,he simply realise the Absoluteness of the One.he simply realize that nothing rili exist outside the One whether muslim,xtian,atheist,theist,agnoist,hindus we are existing within the. Context of the One that is why he won't feelthreatened again by the uttrances of anyone believe because henow realize that notin real can be treathened(with this realization he can accomodate all views and yet not belong to any, the joy accompanied with this state of mind cannot be xplained and dts wat religions called paradise)
@op welcome onboard

Richfella: Plaetton my man, once again I humbly suggest you read The Law Of One by RA (a supposed 5th-Density extra-terrestrial intelligence). It's in a question and answer format. It's actually 5 books - I'm currently on the Book 2.

It has answers to 'everything' you've ever asked on this forum, and the ones you will probably ask soon - and so much more.


All my critical factors are up, but in all humility, this one pass me. If this is a hoax or bullsh*t, it's gotta be the most elaborate, CONSISTENT, mind-fuckíng hoax ever perpetrated - as far as am concerned.

This is a consistent, seamless blend of cutting-edge physics, meta-physics, eastern-philosophy, history, pre-history, UFO-shít, re-incarnation, evolution, 'magic', everything and everything!

I've been following stuffs by guys like Mooji, Eckhart Tolle, Charles Haanel, Emerson, Allan Watts, Wallace Wattles, Napoleon Hill, etc...and this book takes EVERYTHING both said and unsaid by these guys and DIALS IT TO A WHOLE NEW FVCKING LEVEL!

We dey talk beyound-Einstein-grade brilliance here. As in knife-edge sh*t.

I'll list a few things this RA intelligence explained (the ones I can remember off-the-top-of-my-head):

- Densities
- Dimensions
- Space/Time
- Creation
- Consciousness
- Free Will
- Evolution
- The Pyramids (Egypt & South America) and their intended function
- Atlantis (Nuclear Accident)
- Life on other Planets & Galaxies
- Nature of 'God'.
- Cyclic nature of God's experiencing (creation)
- Timelessness
- Distortions
- Alien Abductions
- Pre-history (genetic engineering on man about 75,000 years ago)
- Introduction of Monotheism in Early Egypt (by Aknaten - am not sure that's the spelling)
- Chakras (Energy centers)
- Nature of matter.
- Who was Jesus, what became of him after he died.
- Hitler, Ghengis Khan (what became of them after life on earth).
- Who is Yahweh
- Moses sources of 'commands', etc, etc, etc.

Guy this one pass me.

Lol, I peeped into book 4 abi 5 and saw 'pentagram', 'tarot' and sh*t - fear catch me and I close am sharp sharp . Will continue Book 2 later (tonight or tomorrow) sha - when we get to the bridge we will cross it .

I strongly & highly recommend you read it. Google the PDFs and download them.

Am on to the 3rd book, though I have also peeped on the last two(sometin like dry reading though). The book is one shi.t but lovely but eckhart is still the master

Mr Critique: @haib and beejay in that what does it means to judge judge? If I see evl and pass by cos I don't want to judge isn't that another sin? I want to know.

Not judging doesn't mean u shdnt be against evil,it simply mean u shdnt feel offended while stating the fact(I knw it takes mastery to speak the truth against evil without feeling offended or resentment but the truth is we must work towards this mastery). Jesus is one hell of a master for him to av used words so simple yet so hard to grasp, one has to move beyound the mind to understand this things, just like eistein said "no problem can be solved with the same level of the mind that created it" ( that is the meaning of carnal mind cannot understand the way of God, but this is not a superhuman accomplishment).

macof: No one has really given any points for/against the religion

because there is rili no point for or against. When we begin to awake (breaking out of the matrix ) we begin to realize that there is rili no point at all,trying to make a point is tantamount to being suck in back into d matrix of ego and dysfunction. Religion is not right and its not wrong,its simply a form of knowledge(the problem arises when the follower religions make the religion into their identity and take it for who they are forgetting that religion is only a means to an end and not an end in itself)

Mr Critique: Well thanks for that refernce , but the question still remains. Is matt7 asking us to refrain from judging people or is it asking us to be guiltless first before judging?

because judging means complaining. And complaining will give birth to resentment which will inturn birth grieviances and grieviance is a recipe for violenceand violence is what bring destruction. Many wars were fought because ofgrieviances which result in lost of lives, when we look behind any grieviance we will find complains and complains is from judging. There is nothing bad in pointing what is wrong provided its fact but when we. Complain about it then we are judging. The funniest tin is that judging arises from when we wanna. Feel superior to the person we are judging for example when someone disrespect us, u will notice a line like"how dare u, I am not yourmate" when we could av stated d fact like " you know. My friend,respect itsreciprocal orastatement like hw will ufeel if that young boy disrespect u too"

Ibigo: I know a verse in the Bible can be interpreted in so many ways by different men of God but "Let d dead bury their dead"....... Wat does it
actually mean

It simply means everyone should take responsibilities for their actions.true salvation come. Only when one. Is ready embrace his/her karma with love and compassion, only can. Miracle called lifebe trulyenjoyed

prexios: can it be possible that you are transferring "everything is living" to everything you see as a living man? I bet you will see things differently as a dead man, everything is living but not a dead, Caracas. well you are right, everything is living as long as one is living, "everything is living as long as everything is possible"

nothing is rili dead, death is not the opposite of life but a transformation from one energy to another. Watever we Believe in even using atheistic view.scientist call it energy(energy can neither be created nor be destroyed but can be transformed from one form to another), Bible says I AM THAT I AM or the famous statement BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS I AM or the wonderful Quranic verse that says "I. Your God is one" meaning. Nothing exist outside the One. We are all One giant ball of energy xpressing itself in various forms.
So my brother, yes a dead man is living just that its operating in another frequency(something like tv stations)

macof: something about ase being in everything?

I don't get. U bros

bobbydbobo: ..... LoooooL! Stupid crip! We go catch for bbm! // + dear friends, while I'm not Avast to ur prayers nd Vigils nd great hopes nd aspirations, I'm nt calling myself anyfin or puting my self in d position where what I'm sayin is God! However, when I say some things, pls remove from ur mind that its a rumour, ear to ear jjist or speculation! Uld hear frm nimc sooner than is even thought!.. Ur hopes wld neva b cut short! Good luck peeps

exactly bros...i didnt even know why i had to post the info i had earlier (i just felt i had to let people's mind be at rest).. and for the record the info i gave was from the horses mouth but some event overtook the situation.. i would have shared the latest to keep mind at peace but then it could turn out to be false again (things could change again cos of the usual naija factors) and guys will think that one is a liar and might even result to insult....but then we will all see

the truth is that the best will always happen

tsolution: Then what are you doing on earth?
Don't just while away. Try to live.

Watever I di,I do it because its d ryt tin to do not because I wnt to be remembered.remembrance is one desiree I don't want to add to the list of my desires.once one start having something to be remembered for,one will be ready to do anything to keep it alive even if it means to kill to preserve it. As for me I live because living is a gift and I will die because its natural every other things are by the way