So am going to ask somtin a lil different...
#ask ATMC
1Have you ever doubted GOD's exisistance?
2if yes why
3. If no why
4. Have you ever witnessed a true miracle(esp happened to you)?? Pls share
5. Whats your definition of religion

musKeeto:
Trepidation, my dear, since the thread start.... their questions are uncompromisingly blatant.. afraid don dey catch me...

afraid has to cash person o... The fear of dagr8 is the begining of QUESTION.
@dagr8Now afraid is cashing me that am next....

this is so exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cant wait to see muskeeto on the hot seat lol........

dagr8: [size=13pt] Jesus! So I av missed wedding tinz...[/size]

[size=13pt] Happy Sunday Friends...Is our week of covenant progress In Jesus' name...Our double portion is sure for as many that believe ( Isaiah 61:7)[/size]

[size=13pt]Bella, I missed you [/size]

awww this is so sweet... Hw come i didnt see it??

No. It should' been Miss Adamawa

Fooo28
i hope you got married at 12....

3) Seeker-agnostic
This group is made up of people who are
unsure about the existence of a God but
keep an open mind and recognize the
limits of human knowledge and
experience.

interesting...

ooman:

more like hell fire is a cold beer for my soul.

you have no idea

God is a mystery..... You cant really understand him. Wait till u get to heaven, then ask questions, that is if u dont burn in hell...

Rhymeyjohn: If you are an athiest, then you obviously exemplify the confusion in atheism. i would have loved to give answer to the point you raised, but if a logical athiest could put this here as reason to be an athiest, then, no need wasting time. in one word, every thing you put up here should rather make a so called logical person an anti-christian and not a athiest put on the right thinking cap

This one is strong...

musKeeto: Omg, Belllllaa!!!!

the honourable muskeeto..... Your sig is freakin me out

uj_sizzle:
Bella!!

uj,longest tym......

ATMC: Hey where you go since?

for a cheiftancy title in my village.....lol. Hw you??

HumbledbYGrace: Yah!

i don show..... Yay! Missed you guys....

Logicboy03:


You arent married, are you?

#bump#

Reyginus: I'm sorry to say this. The truth is, anybody who quits theism because of the rantings of logicboy is an unquantifiable dunce. He must have lost the ability, even to understand.
That's the truth, bro.

not when logicboys rants are...
B4 person head bust.

Logicboy03:


I love you Bella

which kin love first? Person wife...

JeSoul: You're not "lost" sis. Sometimes, truth takes time. You're asking questions and thinking - you're on the right track.

No, not quite sis. Consider these two statements at the heart of your question...(I'll provide scripture verses in a sec)

¹God is omniscient & knows all things - past, present & future.
²God gave human beings freewill to make independent choices

So how can an Omniscient God simultaneously also permit freewill? The two statements overlap - but they don't contradict. God knows what you will do, and the choices you will make - and He works within those choices that Bella will make to bring about His ultimate plan. This is very different from saying He controls or determines Bella's will. I hope you see this subtle but very important distinction. He will weave the choices that Bella makes, into the choices that Jesoul makes, into the choices that Ihedinobi makes - into a woven fabric that represents His ultimate will. He can and does this because He is God, and nothing is impossible for Him to do.

Thanks for the opportunity to divide God's word unto the edification of the saints . Godbless!

AM LOST ON THE BOLD.

Pastor Olu T: [/quote]thanks![quote author=Qkeyxyz]

Two issues here: free will and omniscience.

Free will is the freedom to choose; you are free to choose good, you are also free to choose evil. A man who shoots himself in the head clearly has the intention to die right. Likewise, a man who chooses armed robbery as a "profession" knows that he might wind up in jail or dead. SO free will is the freedom to choose as path or pattern of behaviour as well as it's destination or consequences.

Omniscience: Has god not said "if you choose this and that, then such and such will be the consequences...". This is omniscience. ie: knowing the end(consequences) from the beginning(choices).

^^^ more understandind. Thanks.

Ihedinobi:

I'm not sure it's my post you're responding to, Bella, but I think I have something to say to the above.

The starting point for the believer is this: God cannot lie. If God says that we are to choose our own path, then it must be true that we have the facility to make choices. And if God says to that He knows the end from the beginning, then God must know our future. That is where a believer naturally begins.

Now, if the believer is hard-pressed to see how the two can meet, he can ask questions as you have and seek understanding in the place of communion with the Lord, although this is not that important a question at all and hardly warrants that much attention except for the purpose of shutting the mouths of the Lord's accusers. Edit: but the believer does not accommodate at all doubt as to the veracity od what God says. To the believer, God is always true even if everything has to be a lie for it to be so.

God knows the future because He exists outside time. He knows what you'll do and what you'll choose because He's in the future with you seeing you do and choose it. Time is like a video showing all of its frames at once to the Lord so He has perfect knowledge of all that's happening in it without having to determine any of it. Do you understand that, Bella?

I'd be lying if i say i do, but, ISORIT.

Logicboy03:


Good, Bella..........good.

hmmm:-/

I guess i need prayers coz am entirely lost here.
Are you trying to say that God knows the future, bt at the same time isnt sure it'll come to pass? I dont know how an author can know how a story will end, at thesame time gives his characters freewill.
If God is omiscient, then he knows those destinied for hell.
I guess this isnt something you understand by mere common sense. Is there a particular verse that says God is omniscient? Thanks for all the humble replies, very much appreciated.

ifeness:

Nice thoughts. Every individual is a self-aware, self-reflective, free-will entity. Free will is not given to you,you own it! Aint you a goddess yourself?

i beleive there are instances where humans dont have total free will.

Logicboy03: https://www.nairaland.com/1198534/cowardice-atheism/61#14676165

i agree, quite confusing.

musKeeto:
I think the word you're looking for is 'omniscient'...
and this thread,well, make of it what you will...

https://www.nairaland.com/1254148/why-idea-god-fraud

thanks,
well edited.
The thread was very long and the title highly offensive. I'd realy appreciate christians advising a 'confused sister'

Lately i have been doing alot of thinking because of this question: 'how can God give freewill, at thesame time be omniscient (ie be know all things- past, present and future)?'


*trolls not invited*

I dont knw why i find the story amusing. I laughed real hard, heheheheye.

Logicboy03:


If you have nothing serious to say, just keep quiet.


It is not our fault that Jesoul and the christian fellowship have only superhero games to offer the christians as a group. Child's play

very silly comment.

Logicboy03:

Lol.......dats wat u get for forming shakara

isorit!

Logicboy03:



Who told you that I'm for sale?


Your boyfriend ke? Mchew, you even get boyfriend? No be fornication be dat?

see insult o...

Logicboy03:


Ode, you think I am like your wretched boyfriend that is looking for financial miracles in that your backyard church?

FYI, I am back on bb. Didnt know my shyyt was expired and hadnt paid.

na so e pain you reach?
Do you know who my boyfriend is? His shoe alone can buy you.

Logicboy03:


no pay bills

lol, logicboy's gone broke