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wirinet:
You are using the correct term now, murder of a fetus and not murder of a baby.

Notice how you remove HUMAN from raumdeuter's words?

raumdeuter:
Exactly. I am with you on that. You want the lawful murder of human fetus. Some people think the murder of fetus should be unlawful

I think killing of mass shooters should be lawful, some states dont agree

lordreed, this is what I am talking about. They dehumanize the baby. this goes back to yesterday about our objective beliefs and we do things even if we know it is wrong. but that is a complex philosophical topic and I digress

raumdeuter:
If you ram a pregnant woman with a car, she survives but the baby dies what have you done?

abortion which is legal lawfully killing of a baby

LordReed:
You claimed my analogy was absurd because I said a baby is not an adult, well is it or is it not an adult? Answer that. If you say a baby is an adult then it should be able to get a driver's license since we generally give adults driver's license don't we.

a baby is not an adult does not make any sense. you are not supposed to make such a statement in the first place. a baby = a person that will be an adult in the future. the same baby(person) becomes an adult. so what is the point?

Driver's license does not signify adulthood. Teenagers get drivers license.

wirinet:
It's the mother that gives it the Homicide status, without the mother it is simply termed abortion. If a person kills a baby without killing the mother it could never be termed single Homicide or murder.

I did not see the word abortion

Fort Lauderdale man arrested for killing unborn baby after beating pregnant woman with baseball bat

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/fort-lauderdale-man-arrested-for-killing-unborn-baby-after-beating-pregnant-woman-with-baseball-bat/

the mother of the child does not have the power to decide when something is homicide or not.

On Friday, the Broward Sheriff's Office stated that homicide detectives had arrested 34-year-old Emmanuel Prevaly on the charge of killing an unborn child by injury to the mother.

LordReed:
Right so a baby can get a driver's license? The absurd one here is you. Tomorrow you'll come and lie about how LGBTQ folks are dancing erotica dance at children's schools. So the children are only adults when you wish it?

driver's License does not signify personhood. I know a lot of adults who do not have a driver's license. If you cannot drive you cannot get one. if you are blind, you cannot get one. so a blind person does not have rights because he can't get a driver's license?

raumdeuter:
Leave the lawful or unlawful. You agree that its taking the life of a human fetus. You just want the murder to be lawful

So does an unborn child have the right to life? if it is Double Homicide then the question has been answered. lawful or not.

raumdeuter:
So you agree killing a Human fetus is homicide(murder)?
Then tell why is abortion where a human fetus is killed not homicide(murder)

he argues that abortion is a lawful termination of a baby. So I give him that. In that case, it cannot be homicide

LordReed:
May be because the ramifications are on a much larger scale? But you'll have to ask them.

A criminal who killed multiple people should live, Society that is okay with the lawful killing of a baby is mad at the lawful killing of a criminal. IRONY

raumdeuter:
So why is it DOUBLE instead of Single(Just the woman)

he cannot answer

LordReed:
Not sure why I need to repeat that i have already given you an example.

A fetus or zygote isn't a baby, just like a baby isn't an adult.

absurd analogy. has a woman ever delivered a dog? or a lice? humanity starts when the sperm meets the egg. from there it grows through stage till it dies. Saying a baby is not an adult is crazy. no one is born an adult.

LordReed:
We lawfully kill humans all the time, heck look at you advocating for Israel to kill people.

you are going too far. I agree we lawfully kill humans.
what did the baby do that they are killing it? did it commit any crime? the law is the law, people can have their abortion if the law allows them but let's not dehumanize the unborn child

lordreed, the irony is that many people who are okay with lawfully killing a baby have problems when it comes to lawfully killing a criminal.

LordReed:
A fetus many not have personality like a brain dead person but it is still HUMAN.

I never used homicide for tick or lice. Try to keep up.

thank you. Have you noticed how people try to argue it is not human? that is my problem. they dehumanize it because they want to kill it. LAWFULLY

LordReed:
Dude use your eyes, UNLAWFUL KILLING.

I hear you... How do you unlawfully kill a Lice or a Zygote?
Homicide is an act in which a person causes the death of another person.

not Zygote to Fetus or lice or a Tick.

A baby is killed lawfully but why are people trying to tell us it is not a baby that is being killed and try to tell us it is a fetus or a zygote?

LordReed:
I just gave you an example.

Do you think you can unlawfully kill a brain dead[b] patient[/b] and claim it isn't homicide?

is a brain dead person a fetus or a tick or lice? a brain dead person is a person. Where are you going with your train of thought?
to make your argument less absurd you substitute a person for a patient

LordReed:
Yep. Go destroy ticks being used in a lab whether you won't be sued for every penny you own.

absurd argument. let's just say I did that, will it be homicide? or they can charge me for vandalizing private property?

LordReed:
What part of UNLAWFUL killing do you not understand?

how do you unlawfully kill a parasite?

A fetus is not a person, they debate when personhood starts, and they discuss human rights against the unborn when they want to kill it. but once a criminal kills a pregnant woman suddenly the fetus is a human, a person with rights... DOUBLE HOMICIDE

LordReed:
Sorry to burst your bubble but Bill Maher is wrong.

How is killing a woman with pregnancy double homicide then?

IjeBos:
Called it.
Biden just addressed the Hurricane and some of this disinformation.
He still should have done it in a primetime address and linked it to talking to folks in Florida about leaving.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-2bQpNOkBs

There is no disinformation. People on the ground and affected by it can attest to it. Kamala and Mayokas are all the sources of the so-called disinformation.

LordReed:
It doesn't matter if it's a flea, you killed UNLAWFULLY. Wasn't it y'all that was running mad cos imaginary pets were being eaten?

At least Bill Maher has the courage to call it MURDER and he is a liberal who supports abortion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQvB55pAFy0

LordReed:
It doesn't matter if it's a flea, you killed UNLAWFULLY. Is it y'all that was running mad cos imaginary pets were being eaten?

you can unlawfully kill a fetus, zygote, tick, or lice? Wow

IjeBos:
You think you would know some things about what propaganda is and isn't.

How's that friend's couch at the house that you stayed, on what you say was your first night in the US, that turns out was a picture of not a house but a motel and wasn't in the US but Canada?

you are relying on Russia for propaganda
so desperate

LordReed:
Because you killed UNLAWFULLY.

Of course, Homicide is an act in which a person causes the death of another person.

you guys said it is a zygote, a fetus, not a person, a parasite so how is it a double homicide? If I kill a lice or a tick will it be considered homicide?

LordReed:
How is it propaganda when Russia has confirmed it?

Suddenly you trust Russia hahahahaha

IjeBos:
At the height of Covid when Abbot Covid Testing machines were in short supply so people couldn't get Covid tests and people probably died because of it, Trump sent machines to Putin for his personal use.
Russia, probably laughing at the US, confirmed that today.
Trump is a POS.
America First Right?

https://www.politico.eu/article/kremlin-confirms-donald-trump-covid-test-vladimir-putin-president-russia-us-abbott-point/

more propaganda for the desperate

budaatum:
Should she be forced to bake a cake she don't want to bake?

I think not, in this case. But I shouldn't be able to refuse to bake a cake because of another person's race.

So, what about baking a cake with Allah Akbar on it?

Liberty does not apply. Again, democrats are more likely to act like a dictator than conservatives.

you would think they would take their business elsewhere.

CBS 60 minutes moved answers around to help kamala harris look good. That's a good reason why Trump should not go on those networks.

Why?

wirinet:
MOSSAD knows everything and entrenched in Hezbollah and other terrorist organisations, October 7 happened with MOSSAD not having a clue. Can you explain the irony?

That's because hezbollah is a bigger threat to them than hamas. Look are what is happening to Hezbollah, precision intelligence is taking out their key leaders. Their weapons caches are being destroyed every day.

What about the assassination of Hamas leader in Iran? How about bombing a ammunition delivery in Syria?

How about the infiltration of hezbollah's supply chain?

A woman with balls. Unlike Macron and Kier in the UK

This is the definition of liberalism. Now you cannot be a conservative and degenerate to this level

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raumdeuter:
You senior me for kpekus love, If all the babes you don nack dey get belle you fit double Naija population.

I care about personal responsibility which is why I am conservative. Personal responsibility is also that you realize you cannot take care of an extra mouth and abort it.

I also realize some people see it as murder. So I can understand a compromise where there should be a term limit where the doctors see the child as viable

Its a double homicide if you kill a pregnant woman