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basilico:
Israel can't go it alone to the end with the Iranians, they need the west. Unfortunately oil has forced the west to be dependent on the middle east , the oic plays a huge role at the UN too.
Western liberal leaders also need the muslim votes @ home they balance their support to Israel and push the can down the road to the next leader.

Iran is not as capable. Israel can easily cripple them. Their navy and other military assets with key infrastructure can be taken out. The Mossad knows where everything are... It's just the time to strike they are waiting for. See how they were patient with hezbollah and still entrenched in the terrorists organization. Once they get the go ahead, key stuff will start to explode

She made it clear
Ijebos and cococandy are out here lying through their teeth.

This is the greatest fact check of Kamala Harris and the media’s false claims over “misinformation” on FEMA. pic.twitter.com/70iBvJIt2G

— Ian Miles Cheong (@ianmiles) October 8, 2024

basilico:
It's my opinion that a lot of Iranians resent the Ayatollahs. Iranians are very educated , it has one the highest number of women in universities per Capita. The Ayatollah is just a cleric who is not there via popular mandate, he is a complete dictator.
If they took him out,or threatened his personal safety a good number of Iranians would party like there's no tomorrow.

Even before they were 30% of the population, they took Iran to a murderous path. The majority of Iranians want the regime gone.

This is the chance the West has to finally set Iran back 30 years, and hopefully, the Persians take back their country.
But you have cowards in the UK and France who are now being slowly strangled by the growing Islamic population in those countries.

basilico:
I think I saw somewhere that there is a Hezbollah big shot who refused to be the leader.
Iran is a different animal. The easiest way to end a war is eliminating the leaders. Israel should bomb every of six Khamenei palaces.He is the one ordering the wars .

Why should he? They don't last 3 days. Iran tried to deviate Israel's focus on Hezbollah the same way Hezbollah tried to deviate focus from Hamas. Their calculations are wrong. They felt Israel would be reluctant to fight on multiple fronts.

They should bring the whole world into this. Go after Iran's oil and nuclear sites. Destroy everything, and let's see how the nation survives the revolution that will arise.

Israel's allies like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and other Arab states should be ready.

Hezbollah started a war with Israel on the 8th. They have been bombing Israel and attacking them for months. Israel warned Lebanon it would turn to Gaza if they didn't stop, but they refused; now Hezbollah is begging for an unconditional cease-fire as Israel keeps killing their leaders as soon as they appoint them.

Iran is next.

Kamala harris is toast

LordReed:
I no where wrote it was good for the Nazis and I have repeatedly written that I said no such thing so if you want to keep strawmanning what I have repeatedly clarified then that's on you.

There is no such implication. You are conflating LEGAL with GOOD and that's on you. Legal is not always synonymous with good, you should have this always in your front pocket.

You did not say it, that statement implies what the nazis did to the jews is not wrong because they did not break any law. if you say that is not what you mean I agree. which is why I asked you to explain it or make it clear. it is very open to interpretation.

when we are talking about subjective belief and you said that... based on the context I was not conflating anything.

budaatum:
You are really funny, and to be honest, I think Hobbes is way beyond your level of comprehension.

From what you quoted, "violence and the potential for murder are intrinsic to human behavior", but "that doesn't mean murder is morally intrinsic .....".

Is violence intrinsic to your behaviour?

Do you have the potential to murder anyone?

In fact, is your life "nasty, brutish, and short", or are you letting Hobbes tell you it is?

define intrinsic

LordReed:
OK so you admit I didn't write that it was good for the Nazis.

We were talking about the definition of murder. YOU brought up a definition that included the the word unlawful so I was pointing out to you that there was no legal impediment within the Nazi state to them killing the Jews. I never said it was good. I never said it was right. All I did was point out the path of their actions.

And once again, to clarify that this was all to aid my subjectivity argument, I contrasted the Nazi actions with that of the Allies, who definitely held the Nazis as murderers.

And to go back even further I wasn't even the one who brought up the Nazis.

I did not admit it. you are doing what you are accusing me of. If I tell you to quote where I said you did not write "it was good for the nazis" can you? you will say response implies you did not say it. that is how I saw your post.

See what I said:

The Nazis didn't see it as murder?
When you take God out of the equation, you take objective morality out of the question.

News flash, if the nazis did not see it as murder, the rest of the world wouldn't see it like that. But there is this thing called objective morality(universal truth that transcends human subjectivity), which is why people are willing to fight and die to stop Germany.
What is even funny, is that people were sent to jail in Germany for murder before the killing of the Jews started. So how can they not see it as murder?


I don't know a parent who teaches his kids at 3 4 or 5 years not to kill. That is ingrained in us. Children in the womb of their parents knew something is out there that can kill them as well.

See what you replied:

Define murder

Me:

What does defining murder has to do with this?

But: Murder is the intentional and unlawful killing of one person by another with malice aforethought. It typically involves premeditation or a deliberate intent to cause death or serious harm. In legal terms, murder is distinguished from other forms of killing (such as manslaughter) by the presence of intent and the unlawful nature of the act.

See your reply:

UNLAWFUL. Which of the Nazi laws stopped them from killing the Jews?

this reply implies that it was okay for Nazis to kill the jews because there were no laws stoping them from doing it.

budaatum:
How are those intrinsic when many humans do their exact opposite constantly?

Can you say honesty is intrinsic in a liar?

Is compassion intrinsic in a narcissist?

In fact, lets start with intrinsic. Tell me what intrinsic means to you please.

humans have an inherent capacity for violence and self-interest (e.g., in the "state of nature," life is "nasty, brutish, and short". , violence and the potential for murder are intrinsic to human behavior, but not necessarily moral values. In other words, while people might be naturally capable of committing acts like murder, that doesn't mean murder is morally intrinsic or justified.

- Thomas Hobbes

LordReed:
Yes directly quote where I said it was good to them.

please tell us what the below mean

LordReed:
UNLAWFUL. Which of the Nazi laws stopped them from killing the Jews?

budaatum:
I disagree!

Name some and lets consider them.

Honesty
Compassion
Respect
Integrity
Fairness
Responsibility
Love
Courage

budaatum:
You can tell me 1000 times for all I care, but lying and killing is not part of human nature! There are many people who don't lie, least not as much as you do, and I very much doubt even you have killed anyone yet, though convince me if you have!

Breathing, shîtting, eating is human nature. Every human on earth does these 3 things, making them intrinsic to humans.

because you said so children start to lie at the age of 4. No one taught them to lie. you are crazy

budaatum:
I have just responded to your sidekick who is lying that buda has a gospel that buda does not have.

So don't you tell me what someone else is saying! Say what you are saying please!

so there is intrinsic human values?

LordReed:
For Andromeda's sake where do you get off strawmanning I wrote in plain English? Where the hell did I say it was good to them?

where did I strawman you? you said that. do you want a direct quote?
you didn't ask if Nazis killing the Jews broke any law? so it must be good if no law was broken. Lying should be morally good because it is not against the law to lie?

If I am wrong, layout what you mean by what you said.

budaatum:
The below is from what you posted and seen to not understand.



What is in your heart is intrinsic in you!

If evil is intrinsic in you, evil is what you will do and produce as fruit!

I have told you for the 50th time that lying and killing is part of human nature (intrinsic). that does not mean our actions (lying or killing) is morally good. you are deliberately being dumb or what?

that's my point all along and how you confuse our Actions and morality.

budaatum:
"Ye shall know them", bem, and not "they shall know themself and tell blind stupid you what they are"!

Fuqing hell! Did you pay so little schoolfees that they didn't bother educating you at all or what!?

You don't seem to get what I am saying.
lordreed was saying what if what the nazis did are good to them, and if they broke any laws. I said The whole world see that what they did was bad and they also knew what they did was bad which is why they tried to hide it.

So the question I am asking you is legit. When a person says he sees murder as a good thing, is it a good thing because he said so? or will you look at what he did as good because he said so? The answer is NO hence, "you shall know them by their fruits" That verse is talking about detecting what is evil and what is not. it is not the one doing the evil that will decide if it is evil or not. this is common sense.

budaatum:
Would you like to argue that the action of lying is now morally right and proper or what?

Go ahead please. Knock me out.

Lol, ye shall know them.

When Jesus says, “You will know them by their fruit,” what does “fruit” mean? Jesus gave the illustration of grape vines and fig trees. When we see grape vines, we expect them to contain grapes in season. We also expect fig trees to produce figs. A produce farmer who notices one of his fruit trees not bearing any fruit will cut it down. It is useless. Likewise, we would not come to a field of thistles and expect to harvest fruit. Thistles and thorn bushes can never produce fruit because of their nature. It is impossible. They have no capacity to produce anything but thorns (Matthew 12:33).

In our lives, every word and every action is fruit from our hearts. Sinners sin because that’s what is in their hearts. Thieves steal, rapists attack, and adulterers cheat because those sins are the fruit being produced from an evil heart. Bad hearts produce bad fruit. When Jesus said, “You will know them by their fruit” concerning false teachers, He was giving us a guide for identifying them. False prophets, speakers of lies, will have actions that correspond to their errant message. Just as their message is anti-God, so will be their works. They will stray from the path of righteousness.

Educate yourself. https://www.gotquestions.org/you-will-know-them-by-their-fruit.html

LordReed:
You should read screenshot below and take note of the underlined words.

SMH

budaatum:
Bem, this is the nonsense you've been saying here all along! And you are now claiming its what someone else is saying?

Lying is definitely a value that is intrinsic in you!

we are talking about the morality of our actions. I am not talking about whether lying is part of our nature or not. again, you are not understanding anything.

budaatum:
I know a man who will disagree with you.

For most sane people, it it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it just may be a duck.

this verse proves my point.

A good tree and a bad tree. who is to decide what is good? A person who does a bad thing and says what he did is good?

LordReed:
It sounds like you think morality is a substance divorced from your actions.

It sounds like? that is what you understand. i cannot help you with that with that. all I can say is, with your view of morality, One can kill a person because that is his truth and you cannot fault him for his truth.

budaatum:
You wouldn't repeatedly lie if lying was not an essential part of your values, and lying about it would not make anyone but a fool think it is not intrinsically reflected in you to lie.

it is not my fault you confuse actions with moral values.
some women know prostitution is wrong and hates it yet they do it just so they can eat. your issue is that you believe behavior directly reflects values this is a nonsense oversimplification. Again, people often act in ways that contradict their stated values for various reasons as I mentioned earlier. furthermore, fear, pressure, personal weakness, may lead someone to tell a lie.

Some of these idiots running the country should be given 1million lashes

budaatum:
If, except he did create a story that was a blatant lie!

he did not create the story. before he becomes Trump's running mate, the residents of Ohio have been reporting those things. so you are lying he created the story

budaatum:
I really can not understand how you can not see that not lying is not a value that is intrinsic to a multiple times liar, but then, 'maths is racist' is intrinsic to you, so I'm not in the least surprised.

Murder is intrinsic to a murderer, Bem, and that's the only reason we call that person a murderer, instead of, say, a lover.

Confusion between actions and moral values. a liar or murderer is someone who has committed those acts, but that does not mean the act itself is an intrinsic or inherent part of the person’s moral makeup.

Lying is an action that someone can repeatedly perform, but it doesn't necessarily reflect the values they hold. A person could lie often while still believing that honesty is an important value. this is exactly why you are talking about this. Otherwise, why don't you just believe his or her own subjective truth or moral values instead of crying because they are eating the dogs and they are eating the cats?

budaatum:
So, vance has values that must be intrinsic to everyone else but himself?

That sounds like typical maga logic to me.

If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do,

IF is the keyword there. you are your lies.

LordReed:
Do you think the government should execute dangerous criminals?

Do you think the government should field soldiers who will kill other human beings in war?

maybe we should look at moral relativism.
lord if you hold this view, one can say you cannot provide firm answers to these questions:
If all morality is subjective, then it becomes difficult to criticize practices like execution or war in societies where they are widely accepted, even if those practices seem unjust or wrong to outsiders. we already talked about this.

the difference between you and me is that I believe in both Subjective and Objective moral values or truth. you believe in just one.

budaatum:
Is this some sort of joke? Did you not hear Vance justify lying that they are eating his pets?

He doesn't seem to have any value that is universal where lying is concerned, and I doubt the Haitians he lied about would say he's been fair or even values their life.

what does Vance have to do with this? also, he never justified lying. just like the fine people lie or the bloodbath lie the media is gaslighting you.

Vance believes lying is wrong even if he has told lies multiple times. so are the people who commit murder. They don't do it because they think it is good. If they think it is good, then they will murder everyone they see but that is not the case.

LordReed:
BTW MAGAts, how much has Trump donated to disaster relief recently?

cc: basilico, bemeruca

He has raised more than 7million and motivated private citizens to help from all across the country.