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budaatum:
Bemeruca definitely does not live.....

Found something to scare more. Terrify in fact.

I prefer to discuss this country with you. Your experience and knowledge of this country is far superior to some people here. 😀

LordReed:
You are the one using emotions. Israel uses a nuclear device and you think its regional neighbors will not retaliate in kind?

But you don't know what a tactical nuclear weapon is

basilico:
Hezbolla is not claiming any Israel territory for their own. Syria, I would understand, they lost Golan heights.
Egypt lost Sinai, but got it back.
Lebanon has no land claims. How is it the world is silent when Hesbolla is firing rockets, drones and missiles into Israel, yet when Israel retaliates the world looks for a war crime. Last time Israel invaded Lebanon, the UN quickly forced a ceasefire. Hesbolla today claims they won that war. They have hundreds of thousands of rockets aimed at Israel, most of them supplied by Iran.

Drop one tactical nuke and these nonsense will stop

budaatum:
Make sure to say what you think.

https://www.scrippsnews.com/documentaries/in-real-life/in-real-life-a-hidden-war

When you start a war you cannot win, you lose land. All they built are destroyed, lives are destroyed and they shrink further.

It's their desire to exterminate a nation that puts them in this condition.

I think they should flatten one city in Lebanon. This is what hezbollah is trying to do to them and so far no pressure or massive condemnation on Lebanon.

PDPGuy, raumdeuter and budaatum what do you guy think about this comment from a black church in detroit.

BREAKING: Black Detroit pastor thanks Donald Trump for being the first President to come to the hood. "President Obama never came to the hood. President Biden went to the big NAACP dinner but he never came to the hood—so THANK YOU!" pic.twitter.com/pE8BfQs9Gs

— George (@BehizyTweets) June 15, 2024

basilico:
The Jews have always prayed facing Jerusalem for millinea while in exile.
We know that the qibla was Jerusalem first but once the Jews refused, it was changed.The direction of prayer was 'corrected' in a revelation. I won't get into that.
The Jews in exile started buying up land in Israel under the Zionist movement from the Ottoman and Arabs in Israel from the 1850s.They developed the kibbutz system, Arabs flocked there to look for work.
After Holocaust Jews moved in en mass.At Israel declaration almost all Jews 800K were expelled from surrounding Arab countries, Egypt Iraq, Syria, Iraq, Saudi, Tunisia, Algeria etc. Israel resettled them with no problems. Going as far as to airlift Ethiopian Jewry to Israel.
As for Arabs who fled the war, they were never resettled by their brothers. No Arab country wants to assimilate them like Israel did to their exiled Jews, the Palestinians brazenly lie about being descendants of the ancient Philistines. Those who never fled the 1948 war today are Israel Arabs with full citizenship rights ,serve in the Knesset, have equal opportunities and are 20% of the population. The Druze in north Eastern part are full Israel citizens who willingly serve in the army. The Israeli Arabs and the Druze would never accept to relinquish Israel citizenship for Palestinian.
That says it all.
We only hear of those oppressed Arabs now known as Palestinians who caused problems in Lebanon, were expelled from Jordan and also Kuwaiti. They were notorious in airplanes hijack

Notice how no one is putting serious pressure on Hezbollah. Just wait till Israel starts to hit them hard and see how Israel becomes the villain.

budaatum:
Are you twisted or what? Of course I don't deserve, nor do I have the freedom to exterminate the Jews! Israel is not going to give me any such freedom, just as I too will not give Israel the freedom to take my land and exterminate me.

That, donut, both of us not giving the other the freedom to exterminate the other, is precisely why there is conflict and war! If not, you will shake your powerful nuclear weapons and take my land and exterminate me and I will just accept it because I am weak like you and there will be no conflict at all because I'd be dead. Unfortunately for you, I am alive and I am bold and I am fighting back and there is conflict.

who is talking about you here? I am talking about the Palestinians. Since they refused to live in peace with their neighbors for a land they don't own, they started a civil war this is why the two-state solution came into play... Arab state and Jewish State. The Jews Accepted and their independence was established, but the Arabs rejected hoping to take everything. they lost even more since then.

basilico:
Some back and forth with some people come up because they have to take the opposite position regardless.
On the Israeli Arab conflict, they have outright anti Israel bias. They only know the history from the Arabian perspective. They spout off propaganda disseminated by one side. Unlike you who has looked at both perspectives and drawn your own conclusion.
It boils down to anti semitism from the likes of Budaatum and ijebosb.

you have people who migrated to a land controlled by the Ottomans trying to prevent the Jews from coming back to their ancestral land. at least 100k Jews were massacred in Ukraine before Hitler rose to power. So much antisemitism was going on in Europe which fostered the Zionist movement. these people without a state and in the land of the Jews does not want Jews coming back to their home land so they started a civil war and rejected the partition by the UN.

budaatum:
I haven't made any point about Palestine being a state or not.

Facts are, some people who have chosen to call themselves Palestinians don't like thieves who arrived in 1948 taking their land.

budaatum:
Stop asking me questions I have answered. You don't need to like my answer, but stop with the needless bullying. Its pointless.



Jews may have always been in the land, but the State of Israel, which is the current entity the Palestinians are fighting, was not there and hadn't been there for many centuries prior to 1948.

so why did you say this in bold?

Before 1948, there was a civil WAR. The Israeli struggle did not start when they got their independence

budaatum:
This is just stupid! Even if they used to be Turks or Arabs or Romans or Greeks or whatever or Israelis for that matter, they'd lived their for centuries and now identify themselves as Palestinians, but if you'd rather deny them an identity, go ahead. Just know that holocaust is you obliterate identity and then you obliterate lives and existence, and such acts have historical consequences.

They identify themselves as Palestine. they can call themselves whatever they want. they don't know who they are, the Jews are the original Palestinians too since it was because of them the Romans renamed that region. and the Jews predate them on that land.

They try to kill off the people who predate them on that land so they can take all... but now they play the victim.

budaatum:
So, its not up to me to decide who lives on the land you stole from me? Is that because you have nuclear weapons and you are stronger than me and because others holocausted you or why?

And on top of that you expect me to welcome your "expelled brothers and sisters" too who will come and take more of my land and my brothers and sisters land?

Okay. And by the way, its Eid al-Adha. I will kill my goat to them so they have food to eat when they arrive.

what land did they steal? I asked you who the Palestinians are you said People living in the area called Palestine... well, the Jews were there, They got massacred in a revolt. The Ottomans took the land, the Jews lived under the Ottomans, and the British took the land as the Ottomans left... again, Who are the Palestinians asking the Jews who were always there to leave and the ones who returned to leave?

when the states were created, which land did the Jews steal? Palestine was a Mandate not People... so who are the Arabs in Palestine? if you say they are people living in a place called Palestine, so are the Jews Who welcomed back their brothers and sisters. so who are these Arabs to tell them no?

My reference to the Holocaust is Never Again... that is what the Israelis are saying. Romans and Germans did it to them. Shortly after the Germans, the Arabs wanted to finish them at their ancestral land. So when you wage a war, you will either gain or lose land.

budaatum:
Stop asking me questions I have answered. You don't need to like my answer, but stop with the needless bullying. Its pointless.



Jews may have always been in the land, but the State of Israel, which is the current entity the Palestinians are fighting, was not there and hadn't been there for many centuries prior to 1948.

Palestine was not a state back then as well as today. so what is your point?

budaatum:
The Israelite of today too are not the Israelites of any time known in history neither, is what you wouldn't accept, and its besides the point.

Some people who have lived on a land for centuries and who call themselves Palestinians are not happy that some who call themselves Israelis arrived in 1940something to take it from them. And the fact that you have nuclear bombs does not appear to be stopping them from fighting you back.

they are Jews expelled by the Romans, Even if many of them are not born in Israel, it is not up to the Arabs to decide who can come into the Israeli partition of the land. the Israelis welcomed their expelled brothers and sisters, the Arabs did not even want the ones who lived through conquerors to remain.

I mean, they don't even know who they are. Unless they are the Turks or Romans, they should not be making any comment on which Jews come back to their land

budaatum:
Palestinians are those who lived in the region known as Palestine, and the people in the West Bank and Gaza have adopted it as the modern name of themselves.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)

Ancient Israelis are Palestinians, since they are included in those who lived in the region known as Palestine. Modern day Israelis are however not commonly known as modern day Palestinians, I don't think, but do correct me.

they adopted it around the 1940s as a movement against the Jews. But again, before they adopted it, who were they?
Jews have always been in the land through many conquerors
who are the modern-day Palestinian Arabs? The current Arabs did not conquer the land, the Ottomans who conquered it left after Britain defeated them and took the land. So who are the current Arabs?

budaatum:
You obviously know no history, or you think it was not holocaust when your so called Israelites were enslaved for 400 years . And you definitely don't know that the so called Israelites were the people captured over a large region called Palestine who united under moses "Let my people go" banner. Or perhaps you think the Egyptians specifically went for the cattle herders in some tiny region and left everyone everywhere else alone.

The Above is all over the place. The Egyptians back then are not the Arabs of today. That event predates Palestine which is the name given to the place after the Jewish revolt of the Romans that led to the first holocaust.
the land was not really called Palestine by anyone during the Ottoman Empire who ruled over that land till the British mandate after the Brits took over from the Ottomans during which there were Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs as well as Christians.

as long as the aim and goal is to exterminate the Jews, they don't deserve the freedom to do that.

budaatum:
You can't expect me to roll over just because you were persecuted by some others elsewhere. And if people want to holocaust you everywhere you go, I think you ought to at some point wonder what you might be doing to deserve it. Not that I'm saying you do, mind. But.

Bem, we are talking about one of the most embattled regions likely in the entire history of humankind. And it takes quite a lot of reading to even begin to realise how complex it is not to talk of understand it, unless you want to claim you've lived there for 5000 or so years so therefore know the various diverse cultures better than buda who clearly hasn't lived there.

they did not carry arms for the second one. As for the first, a revolt caused it I guess. so what did they do for the Arabs to attempt the 3rd one and now play victims even if their dream of wiping out the Jews is still a thing for them?

budaatum:
Israel that took land off Palestinians that had owned the land for centuries is defending itself from the people it took land off?

Okay.

Israelis are Palestinians too. What are you talking about?
Who are the Palestinians, you still haven't answered.

budaatum:
No. I don't expect thieves of my land, thieves of my water, thieves of my olives, thieves of my friends and my families and thieves of my lives to all of a sudden give me the bread and butter I've been asking for.

In fact, what the fuq would make you think buda would expect such a dumb thing, Bem? Is it because I have somewhere in the past shown you I am so blind I don't see the rubble Palestine is? If so, please show me so I can see the buda you see.


I expect them to defend themselves! They are after all of a sudden not going to stop being the thieves and bullies that they are and start giving us the bread and butter they've been starving us of!

And for your information, I know they have nuclear bombs, the sort was Hiroshima. Yet, watch me. Fighting!

Now. If you wish to argue that I don't think I have a very valid reason to go to the extent of tying bombs to my kids to blow you up, I really would want to hear it.

Again, Palestine situation is not like thieves coming into your house. It is Israel that is actually defending themselves. The Arabs started a war, they lost the entire Palestine plus some part of Jordan and Egypt. Israel gave back a lot. Since then, it is the Palestinians starting fights. Again, just like Jordan and Egypt, if they behave themselves, they have been enjoying themselves today playing at one of their beautiful beaches... But from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free for a land they do not own.

The Jews have gone through 2 holocaust. The first one chased them out of Israel, the 2nd one brought them back to Israel. These Arabs are trying the 3rd.

budaatum:
I think you missed out Alexander the Great and the Greeks. All the same, not a conversation I am willing to have with you.

A question to you. How did the Palestinians acquire that land? What makes them heir to the land,
WHO ARE THEY?

budaatum:
If I were a man and 1000 robbers were stealing my wife, I will fight until there is no breath left in me just as I would if they were stealing me. But please know that you are under no obligation to fight like I would. After all, its likely you were not prepared for hard and heavy tidings like I am, who "has before me an ordeal of the most grievous kind, and many, many long months of struggle and of suffering", and who's policy is "to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime". That is my policy. And my aim is "victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be".

Trust me, if you, and not ijebosb, were the one fighting for my body my choice, I would be so scared I'd be terrified.

Good. You are fighting, no one is faulting you to fight but do you expect the people you are fighting to make you bread and butter even if they stole your land? No... They will defend themselves and fight you because you are fighting them.

But this scenario is no way similar to the Israel and Palestinian crisis.

budaatum:
Like the Ukrainians started the war to push the Russians out of Ukraine because the Ukrainians wanted to take everything?

And I'm certain you'd be content with the below, after all, you'd be more concerned about your bloody nose that some robber stealing your wife and children?



Anyway, Israel-Palestine is not a thing I want to get in to with you. I consider it far too complex for you to see both sides, and we definitely have different views of it.

Land was taken from Israel by the Romans. Renamed it to Palestine. Ottamans took over turkey and other parts of the world. Took Palestine from the Romans. Arabs revolt against the ottomans with the help of Britain and Britain took over the land.

So at the end of the day, they wanted to share the land in two. Israelis were there for centuries and they got 56% Arabs who were there through migration occupation does not want Israelis to have anything. That is the gist. They want to take Jewish land. Even the turks are not claiming the land is their own.

budaatum:
Your compound and your wife and your my children are not vaults in a bank that does not belong. Besides, you and I are not the same, and there is no reason why we should react the same way, but I do hope if robbers come into your house and start robbing your wife and your children, that you wont just hand robbers the keys but will fight to protect them.

Nobody goes into a fight at disadvantage. For robbers to come into my house, they will make sure they have the upper hand. I will only fight back if I am equal or have the advantage. If I am at disadvantage, fighting might cause the life of my family and also my life.

I will fight if I am at advantage or not if they intend to kill us.

That is what Israel is doing, hence the blockade to prevent the Palestinians from getting all they need to kill the Jews. But Israel does not share the same intent.

SOMETIMES NOT FIGHTING IS A WAY TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND OTHERS AROUND YOU. I HAVE BEEN ROBBED BY TWO GUYS WITH A KNIFES BEFORE AT DIOBU PORT HARCOURT. I WAS RETURNING FROM UNI. I left them have my phone even if they look a lot weaker. I don't think it is necessary to find out what will happen if I fight. They were so close to me, from and back.

budaatum:
When I come inside your compound and start behaving like I own it and you and your Range Rover and your wife and your children, you will not fight back because "fighting will result in your bloody face. You cannot win or hurt the bully, fighting will only provoke me to give you a devastating blow"?

Well, I guess some will agree with you. I would consider my face is already bloody when you take my compound and take my Range Rover and take my wife and take my children, and a bloody death would not deter me from fighting back.

How many times have you seen robbers go into a bank and the cashier and bank manager fight back with their bare-knuckles?

They instead open the vault and give them bags of cash or else there will be fatality.

If you come into my compound and I see it is a fight I can win or at an advantage, then yes... I will fight, else I will ask my people to lay down and and tell the robbers where the keys and the watches are so they don't hurt us.

budaatum:
No Bem. You occupied my land because guilty fuqs in Europe who killed 6 million of you decided to give you my land!

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel

Other places were considered in fact, but Israel waved their certificate of occupation in Christian faces who all agreed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_a_Jewish_state

I am sorry, but there were many Jews and Christians living in that land.
There was no Palestine, the Arabs revolted against the Ottoman Empire with the help of France and Britain. So what do they want to do with the Jews that have suffered from the Roman's then lived under the rule of the Ottomans? Why did they reject the partition plan and go to war?

The Jews have ancestral land that they fled to when the whole world was crucifying them.

The Arabs started the civil war that pushes the British out of that region and they started the war too. All because they want to take everything.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

budaatum:
If I believe you were occupying my land, I will teach my children to hate you when I am having the sex to make the child.

Or do you think Jews teach their children to love the Palestinians whom they believe are occupying the land their god gave them?

I occupied your land because you wanted to take my land and kill us off BY STARTING A WAR. Since then, you have been starting trouble and breaking the cease-fire agreement now and then. Why will I tolerate you when the land you are fighting for is my ancestral land?

I am not saying Ukraine should not fight back. I have told you multiple times that if a bully who is 3 times bigger than you smacks you on the head, you don't fight back if fighting will result in a bloody face. You cannot win or hurt the bully, fighting will only provoke him to give you a devastating blow.

Maybe, if you say look, we got off on the wrong foot and I am willing to let you live in peace just like our neighbors. I am talking about Israel in this regard.

Since they want from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free of Jews, then they deserve nothing.

I don't think Jews teach their children to love Palestine anymore. They only war them that these people are training their children from 5 to kill you. Before now, Palestinians go into Israel to work and cross the border but Palestinians use that to cause suicide bombing. Even so, they were still letting them into Israel to work until Oct 7th.

Anytime the sirens sound and Israelis run into their bomb shelter, they tell their children why they are running into their bomb shelter. Imagine the UK building houses or all their houses have bomb shelters because of their neighbors.

budaatum:
Scotland. 4-1. They are a man down too.

By oppressing the Palestinians.

Read:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/

https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15424.doc.htm

Maybe they are in a war they did not start and the face people who teach children from the age of 5 that their purpose is to kill the Jews.

basilico:
Bemeruca. Biden promised to build $500,000 charging stations as part of the trillion dollar infrastructure bill. Only 7 have been built.

Why so low? DEI requirements.

https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/white-house-equity-requirements-holding-back-ev-charging-station-construction-internal-docs-show/

Or the useless 350m peer he built in Palestine

basilico:
The wrongs are being righted. California proposed $800B reparations this week.who pays and who deserves to be paid is unknown, it's election time.

I was coming to that.

budaatum:
I suggest you go read up on the history so you know what you are talking about, because this is similar to stupidly asking why some freed slaves accepted Forty acres and a mule.


Neither. There were no Jews nor Arabs when the land now called Israel was first inhabited.


Actually, i said the opposite, that Israel is (illegally) asking for 'their' land back, and it really pisses me off when the opposite of what I said is claimed and then argued against. Its what stupid idiots do, and you know how I feel about those.

How are they illegally asking for their land back?
By the way, they are trading Scotland 4

budaatum:
If it were my ancestors land, I would not be joining anyone, I would be leading!

As for your, "the reparation they took", which I would rewrite as "the reparation they were paid", you don't take my stuff and afterwards determine what you should pay me, especially if I never told you I was selling!

Its like I take your supposed Range Rover and pay you a dollar. If you really owned a Range Rover, I guess I would say you "took" a dollar for it and should be content and shouldn't complain. But would you be content and not complain?

So why did they take the money in the first place?
The Jews or the Arabs, who got to Israel first? You brought Israel up and you said Palestinians are requesting their land back. How do you come to that conclusion?

budaatum:
Was going to wait until Scotland survived Germany but its looking like they won't.

If people had come from elsewhere to the area called Nigeria and occupied the land and have now become the majority race, all the indigenous tribes that are left in those areas would be yelling #landback, and we might be yelling it as forcefully if not more than Israel is illegally yelling it at Palestine.

Basically, I see it internationally. And it's similar to descendants of slaves asking for lifeback, or at least to be paid for the stolen labour of their ancestors.

So you will support them if they pick up arms to reconquer their land?
What about the reparation they took. Wasn't that suppose to fix stuff?

StreetFight:
Tell us what Nigeria is getting from Ghana apart from their big Nyansh ladies that our guys are snatching from their lazy guys.

Too much nyansh in your head you cannot get what I am saying.