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descarado:
Trump has halted all weapon supply to Ukraine.
Mbok.

The EU should take the initiative, it is at their backyard, just as Ibime will say, Ukraine should enjoy all the goodies of the EU even if many EU countries are struggling

basilico:
Bemeruca..Those western militaries are deadly. They have mastered the art of warfare. Russia has been struggling for months to take a few villages and outposts. Mainly because they don't control the airspace, they can't use close support helicopters or gunships instead relying on artillery .
America is far advanced in terms of everything including intelligence.
Western militaries are hamstrung by lawyers and armchair generals away from battle fighting humane wars.
If there was no nuclear weapons threat they can wipe the floor with Russia .
Chinese , noone knows about them. They wars they fought relied on numbers and zealots throwing themselves like ants into a battle.
These western armies are dysinfunctional because they want to follow rules of engagement. Take that out ,their weaponry and tactics are immense. Europeans also know they have NATO backed by America.

Russia does not need airspace to flatten Ukraine. The country has issues, but they have weapons that can devastate Europe, and they are not using them in Ukraine. We saw a glimpse of one of those weapons.

Ukraine is clever in how it messed up Russia's assets, and these are not done conventionally. even the Americans and the whole world learned a lot from Ukraine. We can see the same tactics being used in Syria too.

budaatum:
Dump making false claims is not news.

There was no agreement! That's very obvious by the fact that they disagreed.

Why did Zelensky go there, what was he supposed to sign, was it trump that said Zelensky has agreed to sign?

If Zelensky was not coming to sign a deal then why was he at the white house?

budaatum:
The bully who was extorting, right?

I'm trying to see you making sense.

You blindly supported hamas and the Palestinians people into ruins, you are on the wrong side again. Ukraine cannot do this on its own yet they want to bite the hands that feeds them.

budaatum:
This lie amuses me.

There was no agreement on paper, obviously, since he, Zelensky, didn't agree to what dump wrote on paper.

What was on paper was what dump wanted, and which Zelensky could not agree to, and therefore came to negotiate, but dump wasn't in negotiation mood and just wanted Zelensky to agree and sign.

Zelensky could not sign what dump wanted, and rightly shouldn't. He has no mandate to, and would have been slaughtered by Ukraine legislators if he had signed it.

But I guess the art of the deal is to pressure those you should negotiate with to sign a deal that's unfavorable to them and then renege on the deal when it suits you like dump always does.

Only those who oppose Ukraine would call it an agreement. It was extortion.

Diplomat do the talking and when agreement is reached, leaders come together to sign the agreement. That's what happened. That's why they news broke that Zelensky has agreed to sign.

So an agreement was on paper, he comes, take question from the press, have their dinner then sign the deal.

Your Imagination is not how things work.

descarado:
This was a agreement on paper he has to come and sign. If he has changed his mind about the agreement, why going to the white house?
Send a message to Trump, cancel the meeting and request for fresh negotiations.

All his major supporters are very disappointed.

Well, he used to walk in and go away with free millions. He even boasted they are not owing America. It has been free money all these while
He is even lucky. These are people he openly campaigned against.

I'm surprised Americans are actually supporting this nonsense. They don't care what thier gvt do with their money. Cos they are living on the illusion of big brother and protector.

He overplayed his hands thinking trump will bend to his will because of the deal. So he wants to use that deal to get trump to threaten Russia.

US has an army base in Syria that the Russians don't dare to mess with given that the time the Wagner group tried the Americans killed a lot of them, I mean hundreds without losing a single soldier.

American presence in Ukraine would have been a deterrent factor in itself.

cococandy:
Stale. I know you have to wait on Maga to tell you what’s really what. Facts don’t matter. Only what daddy Trump says.

Do you know what day it is today?
Do you even know your own name? lol

but you lied

Vance asked him if he had said thank you once in the cabinet meeting they were having.

Do you get tired of lying?

cococandy:
If Trump said it, best believe it’s a lie.

If he tells you good morning, you absolutely have to go outside and check if it’s really morning.

You are lying again

This idiot cannot have it both ways. If you believe it is crucial then you apologise

basilico:
Several things I've picked up EU countries have very small armies. Norway 16000 Denmark a few thousands, UK 60,000 .. etc They never bother with defence that much , Because an attack on them is an attack on NATO. America underwrites Europe security guarantee .
I've seen UK PM say he will gut foreign aid to increase defence spending. Days after wearing a suit to the WH!!
At the same time EU want to weaken Russia, throw out Putin for it's vast mineral wealth and control. Putin had requested to join NATO which essentially would nullify it's purpose. To protect Europe from Russia.
EU is the one promoting fear of Putin globalist intentions. If ukraine loses ,Putin tanks will roll all over Europe. Which is impossible. NATO is there.
Putin talks tough . Without nuclear weapons his army is just a rag tag army like the DRC militia.Only that it's capable of manufacturing unlimited amounts of weaponry unhindered within it's vast territory. Modern warfare requires you seize air control and destroy the enemy missile defenses. Putin has no control over Ukraine airspace 3 years later.He should have infiltrated Ukraine army highest ranks by now ,his soldiers can speak Ukraine. I think UK alone can beat back his army and make incursions into Moscow without breaking sweat.

UK alone cannot beat back Iran. The Europeans are spineless idiots causing issues everywhere. When hezbollah was bombing Israel, they did not want Israel to defend itself but they are afraid of existential threat Russia when Israel is surrounded by multiple blood tasting Islamic demons.

The UK is weak and cannot stand on its own.

IjeBos:
If Russia stopped killing Ukrainians and left Ukraine, do you think Ukraine would keep fighting Russia?
So if Russia wanted the war to stop, why doesn't Russia just stop?

Your logic seems very broken

But Russia does not want the war to stop. You said you went to Harvard, see how you reason

MERCHANDISER:
Do you reason from the anus?
There must be ceasefire first before any diplomacy or security guarantee...
Let the carnage stop first

Ibime think you can bomb Russia into peace

budaatum:
You gonna shoot dump?

Fake news

PDPGuy:
This woman is uber dumb!🤦🏽‍♂️

That's true. What's dumb in what you screenshot?

raumdeuter:
Zelensky had a deal on paper where he exchanged minerals for US support and protection but he let his ego get in front of him.

You are here to beg for the lives of your people and you still want to talk smack. Now he has lost even the American Senators who would have been on his side, No one will watch Zelensky talk like that to US number 1 and 2 and still approve what he came for

He should have read the room, come there sign what he needs to and get out which is what gives his people a chance to live

Imagine a war hawk like Lindsey Graham cannot even support Zelenksy again and now calling for his removal or apology
If you lose Lindsey Graham, you lose Marco Rubio people who have supported you in the past then how do you plan to wage the war

You are letting Democrats who have an ax to grind with Trump but will sleep in their cozy American bed in their cities tonight goad you into antagonizing the Trump ticket and Trump admin to satisfy their own daily TDS fetish while your people are being bombarded this hour and getting killed just because you always let your ego get in the way

He is used to getting standing ovation from the spineless leeches in Europe. He wants to make his own headline of Zelensky factchecked trump or Vance in the fake news media.

The EU thinks Russia will fight to the point they will go bankrupt, Russia is low on expensive armour but they are building cheap stuff like Ukraine and they keep bringing men to die as they don't care.

Ibime Keir stammer said they will meet 2.5 percent spending in 2032, they are not or nearly reaching 2% all the money is used to feed cultures that hates their gutts.

Europe needs another Hitler to bomb the shit out of them.

the most annoying part is how they say we need a new leader of the freeworld. That's them looking for another democrat who will be foolish to say "hey look at us, we are generous. Spend here, spend there, climate change money here, UN money there, Who here

Notice how France, Germany and the UK never wants to be the leader of the free world and put their money where their problems are.

kentebemoney:
Bro calm down!!!!
The speaker of the house is bigger than the "president of Ukraine".
American VP dey talk, zelensky the yahoo boy sef dey talk.
Person wey dem suppose beat die!!!

Is not VP Biden that was holding ukraine to ramsom? They had to hire hunter and fire the prosecutor because of biden.

Zelensky is use to getting standing ovation from EU leaders as they made him feel he is the one saving them from Russia.

Zelensky is also fool by the fake news media headlines like "macron fact checked trump in real time" etc.

He wanted his own moment

Android17:
The person you are talking to said Russia is a small dejected country that was going to fold and lose badly.

With every fake news of a currency dip or some downward turn in Russia's economy, he came online to brag.

Just search for his posts around 2022. Comedic material I tell you. Everything they predicted has gone to shit today.

Same way, they went full steam on Scamala before the elections. Now they want to contextualize rubbish talk that I told him pointedly, time will prove you and the legacy media as liars just like it did with the whole WMD brouhaha.

But you're dealing with someone so incorrigible that he would rather upload his children than admit he was wrong.

Shameless.

They always have one-sided view of things like this

Ibime:
You've come to the crux of the matter

He asked Vance a question and I quote "What diplomacy you talking about JD?"

Is that what made Vance lose self-control, especially considering his English is poor, something Vance with church sense should interpret as pressing on the details of the diplomatic deal which is a Presidents duty. You don't call a nation to peace deal and not give the President the detail of the peace, what they keep and what they compromise on, meanwhile you are discussing all the finer points with Russia.

On top of that a VP shouting at a President?

You don't bomb a country like Russia into peace. Zelensky use him mouth say him people no want cease fire. So from his statement and that question, he is implying diplomacy will not work, they should go the way of Biden and EU, talk tough while his people keeps dying.

Ibime:
That's bullying behaviour. He could shut up, but he was not the one shouting. When you shout at a President you are disrespecting his country. If he does not try to answer back (respectfully), that's a disrespect on his country. So basically you just want him to shut up and be shouted at ie bully behaviour

Vance was talking to the press about past presidents and their tough talk, he decided to lecture Vance.

The EU has brainwashed this guy.

Ibime:
No, they are the ones who escalated.

I agree he should have just been quiet about security guarantee, accept this one and worry about security later, but they also have to make allowances for him. He came with a mandate which all Ukrainians told him, go there and come back with security guarantee. That's everything I heard on radio this morning. That's the picture you're not seeing. So you have to see it from Ukrainian viewpoint too, there is no way he would go there and not press for security guarantee, infact that was all arranged with Europe and was the reason Macron and Starmer preceded him to say "we will put troops on ground, but please provide the backstop". They've all arranged how the negotiation will go from offset and the Americans should have anticipated that, infact they knew that's what all 3 are coming to ask for back to back.

Even at that, any diplomat will handle the matter easily and just say we will discuss that in the background. Ultimately the conversation turned on a lack of self control, and bullying behaviour from Vance which was doubled down by Trump. You have to admit that. His only misstep was saying "what diplomacy are you talking about JD", then JD flipped the table like Jesus at the synagogue.

See where everything is scattered. All he had to do was shut up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9--Ct5JOt8

Ibime:
America aid is $175bln

$175 x 2 = $350 bln

The $350 bln was cooked up in Trumps office by a lazy doubling and repeated ad nauseum to exaggerate his political argument

That's why it's important to read news.

You don't understand what u r posting

Zelensky also said his people don't want a cease fire. He is mad

Ibime:
I watched the full clip

If you know Zelensky, you know he's a soldier and very angry cos he carries the weight of his peoples suffering. He is like this with all World leaders and they make accomodation for his anger. Also his English is limited. At the start of the clip he explained how Putin broke agreement 25 times. So when JD spoke, he asked JD "What diplomacy would you recommend JD?"

That's the turning point of the conversation, and JD totally flipped, started shouting and humiliating him and the people of Ukraine. Whether JD is angry because he didn't call him Mr Vice President; or JD is angry because Zelensky is sticking to his demand of security guarantee, or because he carries bad mind into the meeting.

Either way JD flipping and disrespect was totally uncalled for, and Trump should have also calmed the matter rather than doubling down and insulting Ukraine.

You guys spoke about Nobel Prize. Na this kind hot-headedness dem dey use win Nobel prize? These don't look like people serious about Nobel prize. Not to mention throughout the whole 50 mins, they kept dragging Zelensky into USA internal politics which is very unstatesmanlike.

It seems like trump cared more about his people than him. Even if the war will start again in the future, let it stop first so they can breath and think of how to keep. Russia at bay. The guy eff up big time. Remove your hatred for trump and be sincere to yourself for once.

Let's assume he is like that. Because of he is fighting a war he is losing, EU is calling him the greatest man ever. They are there watching his people die while they do nothing. That's what is getting into their heads. Every day including the UK talk about we must not rely on US when trump is around but they don't want to build their capabilities.

The whole Nator aside from US has less than 5 aircraft carriers. UK 2 France 1 and that's it. Why are they leeches? Norway has 16k soldiers.

After he rejected diplomacy he is asking which one would he recommend. Does he think US should bomb Russia into peace or have a conversation?

He threatened US that the war will come to them if they do not do something across the pond.

JD Vance did not disrespect him, speak the truth

Ibime:
The Ambassador was facepalming for her country not for Zelensky.

Zelensky didn't do anything wrong in that meeting, maybe except keep totally mute. He was attacked by Vance.

Zelensky didn't cozy up to Biden, he cozied up to the elected President of the United States his country's most important ally. And in foreign affairs, that is well understood except to Neanderthals and Trumpanzees it seems. That is exactly what he was trying to say today when he kept repeating in his limited English "the elected President of the United States". He was thinking what planet are these eediots from bringing their partizan hatred to our countries mutual dealings.

Your President is your President and our alliance is with your country, not with any individual. But the eediot Trump kept inserting him into Amaricas partizan affairs. And after Biden, he would have cozied up to the next President whether he was green, yellow or blue. He even visited Trump tower during the elections to ensure that. This is as stupid as saying John Mahama, President of Ghana was cozying up to Jonathan so Buhari won't see him. Comot with your childish partizan talk please.

Lmao, her country was arguing with the people he was begging for help? since Europe is good for nothing.

Ibime:
Bring the transcript

Watch the full clip, Zelensky attacked Vance and he does not want peace.

For the first 40 minutes, the conversation was pretty calm. Vance made a point that wasn’t even directed at Zelensky and definitely wasn’t an attack on him but Zelensky was the one who clearly started the argument.
During that time, Zelensky kept pushing to go beyond what had already been negotiated in the deal. Whenever Trump was asked a question, his response was always something like, “We’ll see.” Meanwhile, Zelensky kept making firm statements, saying there’d be no negotiating with Putin and that Russia would have to pay for the war. Then, when Trump said it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky cut in to remind everyone that Russia was the invader which, sure, is true, but it felt like he was getting more heated.

Trump did make it clear that the US would keep sending military aid. Honestly, all Zelensky had to do was keep his cool for a few more minutes, and they probably would’ve signed the deal.

The tension really kicked off when Trump pointed out that it’s tough to make a deal when you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. That’s when Vance jumped in, making a pretty reasonable point basically saying that Biden’s approach of calling Putin names hasn’t gotten anyone anywhere.

Up to that point, the whole press conference had been relatively calm, and everyone was mostly speaking to the audience. But instead of letting it slide, Zelensky turned on Vance and started questioning him directly and not in a friendly way. He brought up the idea that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, pushing the idea that negotiations with him are pointless. And that’s where things really escalated.

Zelensky was so close to locking in the deal and getting new commitments from the Trump administration. But the argument started because Vance criticized Biden and the media for being too moralistic in their approach and that clearly hit a nerve with Zelensky. And from there, things just spiraled.

Ibime:
Are you schizophrenic or hearing voices?

Where did you see that?

All he was saying is the deal should come with security guarantees because Russia has broken many ceasefire before and Vance started shouting. If you ask me, they staged it.

No... That's not what he was saying. You are a liar

IjeBos:
This was a setup.

MTG's boyfriend to Zelensky.
Why don't you wear a suit?

Conspiracy theorist at 52

Ibime:
I'm talking about VP raising voice on a visiting President today

The president started it.
He wants America to continue a war they want to stop. He is mad?

They have been talking about ending the war he went there to say the US should join the fight.

He is mad

Ibime:
Name a VP in Americas history that will raise voice on a visiting President. I don't care if it's Ayatollah Khomeini visiting. I don't know why you are defending nonsense.

2022 Vance was not VP. Ibime, apply reasoning

IjeBos:
All avenues with Trump and You seem to lead to Russia.
Especially your propaganda.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/14/ukraine-mp-linked-to-giuliani-charged-with-colluding-with-russia

Mumu, you hate this country so much move to Nigeria where you can continue your wizkid groupie fan club 😂

IjeBos:
You are really fuxed in the head.
You are not in America.
You have never been in America
You are not American.

There is no 'us'.

What does that have to do with my location?
Its a simple question. And yes, I live in Washington

IjeBos:
And what does Europe do? Do you think they allow Russia to win? And if Europe gets involved what happens to NATO and article 5?
What happens with China and Taiwan if Russia wins?

Being America first isn't just in a singular moment.

Has Europe ever done anything n win without us?