₦airaland Forum

That's why there is an appeal court where you must make available evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt to prove your case again!
Unfortunately,the judiciary have been tainted with widespread corruption hence the trust deficit by Nigerians!
There may be few justices that still have a conscience and have not been compromised but its only a matter of time before the judiciary becomes full blown with corruption!

mrksquare:
Wike the buffoon that detest anything that would enhance the welfare of workers.

A man that when he was governor, didn't promote civil servants through out his stay as governor for 8 years.

Wike that killed all state owned enterprises in Rivers. A man that couldn't pay pensioners their gratuity.

You are right!
A friend who is currently a teacher in rivers state is still on GL 8 since 2015 till date!
No promotional interview....

I pity those hailing Wike!
I hope they don't fall sick or need an emergency which will demand admission to a general hospital only to discover that there are just few docs attending to thousands of patients while the rest of the aggrieved doctors have japa-ed to a country where the system works properly and their value is greatly and financially appreciated!

Some are forgetting that wike has a personal doctor who attends to him weekly and will also be flown abroad if there is an emergency!

Keep hailing that uncouth and uncivilized minister who thinks he can control FCT the same way he controlled Rivers state!


He should learn from what happened to umahi and try to first adopt diplomacy when dealing with unhappy and poorly motivated civil servants in the health sector!

This nah one of the parts of BBN i dey enjoy where fans dey throw shade at each other

What's he hiding again?
Nothing to fear...nothing to hide!

They should be happy and relieved that despite the killings that happened mostly at ashkelon the army still had a human face to ask them to leave!
Some countries like Russia will level everywhere in Gaza without sparing a thought about whether there are human beings or not!

Gabazii09:
Interesting, but why do we always have people of questionable antecedents running for major political offices in the country?

Because our system is corrupt and permits such!
An efficient system would have done a thorough investigation on an political with a questional past!
If our security operatives had done their job in 1999 and Tinubu was exposed for the documents he made on oath,he would have been sent to prison by now which would have served as a deterrent to politicians vying for future leadership positions!

Chai Chai Chai
Diaris God ohh

Please allow balablu to 'bref'

pquaver:
Atleast bubu waec better pass ur lord Peter obi own.. If obi na god to u imagine u na.. English u manage get correct.. I know expect u to understand typographical error, if not u wont be hyperventilating and u would have understood csu when they said clerical errors..
My happiness is bat na A student u cant argue it.. Bueven my worst bubu is better than ur god intellectually.. See waec na.. Why wont followers be more foolish..

Bla bla bla
Even a blind man can see that Obi's WAEC result certificate is not only authentic but straight from source!
Any intellectually sound and medically clear eyesight can see that!
But since there is so much sawdust in your cerebrum which has conspired to impair your narco induced eyesight,you are making even more blunder!
Go school you say nah scam...oryah see result nah!
Even bubu better pass U
No be typo error
Even olodo sef get pride too
Typo kor hypo nii

Chai A student abi
Person way claim to graduate from school but the school start 4 years later
Same Tinubu your A plus god say e go university of Chicago but d school say dem no know am same way the secondary school for Ibadan reject Tinubu
Nah wa for this A plus student way nor get background except CSU


The problem with educated analphabetic people like you is that you erroneously believe your success and failure is tied to your certificates hence you underrate your ability to do better!
Little wonder why you took up this miserable job because your paymaster not only looks down on U but believes that's the only thing you are good at...Chai

Balablu wicked ohh

pquaver:
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaker. U should have closed ur mouth.. No we know that hunger and renewed shege is dealing you.. The first person need did i complain to u or beg you for food but u r stylish tell us u r hungry.. Well sorry o cant help a D unce like u.. Stale gist about everyone against ur opinion earning 30k...well if actually they are, they way better than you wey shege dey destroy.. Hungry thing

No be small '....the mouth speaker'

Walahi nah olodo way balablu dey really recruit to do this kain work?
Abeg if you nor sabi English well u fit speak pidgin or your dialect
No come turn bible upsidedown

Another reason why bubu didn't deem you educated enough to offer you a better job but felt you deserved a pathetic and miserable 30k per month on top 200 comments!
Chai ya....sorry no cry ohh
We need you to save your tears for renewed shege promax agenda so that people like you go finally get sense in your analphabetic state

Omor see steady neck pressing!
But naija nah wa ohh
Even the mere mention of Tinubu graduating from a secondary school that was established 4 years later is a testament of this man's forgery path!

pquaver:
Tinubu u dey drag everyday no rich pass ur generations? Buhari u drag for8yearno achieve pass every one in your lineage? Allow drag obi in peace.. What is good for tinubu and Buhari is good for obi and atiku shikena

Yawn!
Another mindless almajiri interloper way nor fit mind him business!

I no blame you sha...If the incompetent and ineptitude bubu had provided twitter bambiyalas like you with a better job,you won't be on social media constituting a nuisance to the shame of your family!

Well continue with your ranting afterall you don't wanna miss your palliative 30k per 200 comments monthly!

At least the constant begging aka 'do giveaway for your boy' for twitter go reduce small

Renewed shege promax!

Yet he is richer than you!
What has your superb degree brought for you?
The only job that your paymasters felt you deserved with all your degree is a palliative induced 30k per propaganda comment!
Pathetic!

Well he has every right to port to any party of his choice!
However,he should be honest enough to declare with his full chest that he left his party to APC based on selfish interests and not all these stale political cappings!

Why seek for debt relief when you have been mismanaging the one that was given to you?

Mumu agbadorian people!
This senseless talk has just confirmed one thing...
We now know that Obi has a verified and authentic WAEC certificate
An authentic first degree certificate
And an authentic NYSC certificate!

Arabambi You just succeeded in showing and proving that there is nothing you can put on this man called Peter Obi!

Tinubu should learn how to intellectually and carefully screen those who intend to successfully carry out his propaganda!
These ones esp in nairaland have a cerebrum with sawdust and akamu

plaindealer:
Feels so good and joyous to know that you and your kind are sentenced to 8 years of wailing, sorrow, pain, lamentation, sadness and eternal frustration.

With the 2 captions below, you and your agulu pandora mob cult leader are as usual laboring in vain.

Sentenced?
Are you X-ing from abroad or your brown roof community?
No be naija you dey?
The interesting part is that while I will joyously weather the storm which the incompetent and clueless administration you benightedly support will pour upon Nigerians, you and your likes will suffer untold hardship for the disaster you tribally elected even if your palliative allowee pathetically gets marginally enhanced after turning almagiri on social media!

Please check the sufferings enlisted and ask who between us will be an embodiment of them in 2 years let alone 4 years of this forgery induced administration?

Una go know the true definition of renewed hopelessness!
Meanwhile chew on the deposition below hoping you can for once start engaging that sawdust your cerebrum carries!

GeneralDae:
For God's sake, read what you posted.

The June 27th result is what was not picked up not the June 22nd result.

I have told you, read the deposition again, this time pay attention to details.

For eye sight sake read what the CSU reg claimed was in their possession!
Its so clear unless you want me to make it bolder for you and i will gladly do so!

plaindealer:
This is the end of the road for all your rubbish.


Sucks to be you..

Oga this letter that was not made under oath says nothing or even exernorates your paymaster from his forgery sins!
The question is not whether he supposedly graduated from CSU after initially lying that he attended the university of chicago while previously lying about graduating from a secondary school that got established 4 years later,the question is whether the CSU certificate that he presented to INEC was fake or real and the deposition is explicitly unambigous!

From the deposition,its obvious that everything about his certificate were all screaming forgery and an apparent amateurish photoshopping and editing of a document he simply would have spent monies obtaining its original legally from CSU but the forgery in him decided to make him obtain an 'oluwole' certificate hoping to hoodwink his obviously benighted and blinded followers!

The end of the road just began for a serial forger and who will surely be punished with a disqualification and international disgrace for deceitfully manipulating the people of lagos for more that 24 years!

On the contrary,it sucks to be working endlessly for a serial forger for a 30k palliative!

GeneralDae:
Show me where in the deposition the registrar claimed there was a June 22 1979 diploma that was never picked up.

Also, you are wrong on me reading BBC report before the deposition. Read my posts, including the ones of yesterday before the BBC deposition.

I have sighted it at a previous comment but here it is below....!
Check from 15 to 24

plaindealer:
Your rubbish and your take is a reflection of your own inability to read and comprehend, what was not picked ia different from the replacement that Tinubu and admitted by CSU as genuine and matched perfectly with other certs given to CSU students.


You are confusing yourself because you cannot properly read and comprehend.

If it is forgery you are after, then stay in that lane and show us what was forged and how.

Btw, CSU already took care of all the date and typo error nonsense you people are peddling with affidavits presented to the Court and sworn to under oath so all your rubbish from top to bottom is meaningless and a waste of time.

Your endless barrage of mindless yapping will not change the fact that Tinubu is a serial forger and a perpetual falsifier!

From lying that he graduated from a government college located at Lagos in 1970 though the school was established in 1974 to lying on oath that he graduated from the university of Chicago with honours in economics to forging the only certificate that he clings to as if his life depends on it!

Now he had to send his incompetent handlers to shamelessly alter his name at Wikipedia to match his ever changing names collection just to avoid being exposed in his NYSC certificate!

Its indeed a tough job trying to defend a serial forger..... If Tinubu or APC had provided proper and well paid jobs for people like you after 8 years,I doubt if you would remain in this terrible 30k pay and you react page with nothing to show for it except consistent HBP and a sudden gray hair!

GeneralDae:
Okay what do you understand by page 29, lines 1-9 since you say my understanding of that part of the deposition is wrong?

To your question again, it shows your misunderstanding. The certificate is dated 1979 (which is the graduation date and common to both Tinubu certificates presented) but it's a replacement certificate and not from 1979. Is that clear now?

Read lines 19 and 20 of page 40 in my attachment. Tell me if you spot the difference between "dated 1979" and "dated from 1979".

You can read a few lines before those lines 19 and 20 to get the context.

The deposition never stated what you had highlighted previously!

You can read it again for yourself!
Secondly, its also obvious that you also misunderstood and read the writeup based on the opinions and lens of BBC Africa!
If you check an earlier page,you would see when the registrar admitted on oath that there was actually a June 22 1979 diploma that was never picked up until Hayes,in a bid to coverup,told the registrar that there was no copy of the 1979 diploma!
This is clearly double speak and simply proved they were hiding the fact that Tinubu never collected the reordered certificate and the one which is currently with INEC never emanated from CSU!

Published 11th Oct, 2023

By Joseph Adeiye


BBC Africa published a report on President Bola Tinubu’s certificate, titled ‘Bola Tinubu diploma: No evidence Nigeria’s president forged college record’, on Wednesday.

FIJ has found inconsistencies in the report from the BBC disinformation team.

FIJ had fact-checked Tinubu’s academic profile after the Chicago State University (CSU) released his academic records to Atiku Abubakar, the presidential candidate of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), in early October.

From the documents made available by CSU, FIJ found that the replacement certificate Tinubu presented to the Independent Electoral Commission (INEC) did not emanate from the university. FIJ came to this conclusion after it compared replacement certificates issued in the 1990s with the one Tinubu submitted to INEC ahead of the 2023 presidential election.

[b]Tinubu’s certificate had some missing features, including the year ‘1867’ which appeared on every other CSU sample. FIJ also found that a signature on the lower right of the certificate appeared legible in a position that was lower than where the year should have appeared, meaning, the signature should have suffered a similar fate if poor photocopying really cropped the year out.

Of particular interest was the expression, ‘with honors’, which appeared on the certificate Tinubu submitted to INEC. The presence of ‘with honours’ in Tinubu’s certificate is a tautology because the certificate goes on to read, “with all the rights, honours, and privileges partaining therto”. None of the 1990s samples provided by CSU showed those words underneath the course of study, and this suggests that Tinubu’s certificate, which was supposedly obtained within the same timeframe, did not emanate from the school. The BBC, however, highlighted the conclusion of “a fact-checking organisation” in its report, claiming it was arrived at in error.[/b]



CLAIM: A fact-checking organisation’s claim that the certificate President Tinubu presented to INEC didn’t emanate from CSU is wrong.

“Another claim, made by a fact-checking organisation in Nigeria, was that the diploma Mr Tinubu submitted was not from CSU as its diplomas do not include the phrase “with honors” under the degree name,” the BBC reported.

“But the BBC found that while this was not reflected in the other diplomas released by CSU, it does appears in Mr Tinubu’s diploma issued in the early 2000s, which was authenticated by Mr Westberg during his deposition.

“It has the words “with honors” – a match with the diploma with the same detail submitted by the president to Inec”.



On this premise, the BBC claimed the certificate Tinubu initially issued to INEC was not forged, and that FIJ was wrong.



For context, the BBC relied on three different Tinubu certificates for its analysis:


1. The original one, from 1979, which he has said in the past was lost when he went into exile in the 1990s

2. The second one, that he submitted to Inec – supposedly a replacement diploma from CSU (it is similar to diplomas issued by CSU in the 1990s)

3.Additionally, CSU holds another replacement diploma for Mr Tinubu that they say is probably from the early 2000s that he never collected (BBC: Bola Tinubu diploma: No evidence Nigeria’s president forged college record)


From the bullet points above, it is clear that Tinubu only obtained a replacement certificate from the CSU in the 1990s. The BBC confirmed this: “It turns out that the discrepancy in the appearance of the diploma is down to it having been re-issued in the 1990s”. However, from the samples provided by CSU in its deposition, certificates issued in the 1990s did not include the expression ‘with honors’. The BBC also clearly states in its report that “any request for a new diploma would resemble the current template at that time, no matter when the student graduated”. This renders BBC’s verification of Tinubu’s 1990s certificate with one issued in the 2000s illogical.

Until the CSU provides another certificate from the 1990s which has ‘with honours’, there are only two reasonable explanations for Tinubu’s certificate. One is that it did not emanate from the CSU. Two, whoever created the controversial certificate in Tinubu’s possession copied the template of the 2000s without paying attention to timeframe variations. This is clear in one of the signatures on Tinubu’s certificate. The signature on the right is that of Zaldwaynaka “Z, the current President of CSU, who took office in 2018. A president who took office in 2018 could not have signed a certificate supposedly released in the 1990s.

More importantly, Westberg admitted in his deposition that the certificate Tinubu submitted to INEC was not from CSU.

CONCLUSION

There’s no proof that the certificate Tinubu presented to INEC emanated from CSU. Whether third-party recreation of certificates is wrong in the US is a topic for another day.

VERDICT: BBC Africa’s claim — that a fact-checking organisation erred in its report — is false.

GeneralDae:
On the bolded, read lines 1-9 in my attachment. It is on page 29.

As to your question, I tell you again you are mixing things up. This point you raised up would not be put out by someone who understands the deposition. If you can't read the deposition, read that BBC report, it clarifies the point you.made.
The certificate that was not picked up is the one reordered from around 2003 and it is called the June 27th 1979 certificate.

If you read the deposition, you would know that the school made it clear that whenever you reorder a certificate, you get thesame format of the certificate in the year you reordered it not necessarily when you graduated. Thesame logo and font used by the school in that year and signed by the present registrar of the school.

The highlighted was the claim you made and I asked you to provide the page which you said was on page 29 and that page states absolutely nothing about the highlighted that you made!

Now let me bring you back to my question that you never answered..which date was written for the issuance of the Tinubu inec diploma certificate?

Since you don't know,I will show you the page where the CSU rep agreed that the inec diploma was issued in 1979

Page 37...concentrate on 1-5

GeneralDae:
This clearly shows you've not read the deposition. Go and read it again first then compare side by side with the BBC report.

If you read the deposition, you would know that the school made it clear that whenever you reorder a certificate, you get thesame format of the certificate in the year you reordered it not necessarily when you graduated. Thesame logo and font used by the school in that year and signed by the present registrar of the school.

As to your second question, the school compared Tinubu's INEC certificate to 1999 copies and they match.

Since you read the entire deposition, can you point me to the page number where the highlighted was made?

Secondly,you haven't answered my question and you are also wrong!
The diploma that was requested by Tinubu is yet to be picked up and has no semblance with the inec diploma!
Pay attention to 18,20 and 22

plaindealer:
Of course we know CSU didn't submit anytime to INEC so why expect the to say it came from them. That makes no sense.

Below is what CSU said about Timubu's certificate, they compared and presented certificates given to other students with Timubu's certificate and they matched perfectly.


BBC used facts, evidence and sound logic to arrive at their own conclusion, thses are facts, evidence and logic that you and your kind lack.

You will read A and interpret it as Z.

You people act as if they don't have smart, intelligent and educated people in your part nof the country.

It's really sad.

Don't just screen grab a portion and make a narrative of it!
Read the 37,38 and 39 to get a full context!
It will show that the inec diploma has no semblance with the 1979 diploma that was meant or supposed to be issued to Tinubu!
The CSU rep actually denied such diploma!

Furthermore, the diploma that he requested for was never picked up by Tinubu according to CSU rep in the deposition...
So if the one Tinubu requested was not picked up,where did he get this from?

Common sense is indeed not common!
That's why you needed the lopsided and partisan opinions of individuals from BBC Africa to make yours as if the cerebrum that your neck carries in discomfort is filled with dust!

GeneralDae:
Read 19 and 23 carefully again. Emphasis on 1979. Tinubu did not collect the INEC diploma in 1979. He already made it clear for decades now that he's lost the 1979 original.

Which year was stated on the certificate he issued to inec issued?
Secondly,the reordered certificate requested from Tinubu is yet to be picked by him according to the CSU representative in the deposition!
Secondly,you still haven't answered my second question.....how can you know or differentiate between a forged document or certificate from an original!

GeneralDae:
Your first paragraph is wrong but the second paragraph is correct.
The deposition doesn't show that the INEC diploma never emanated from CSU and you cannot show me where it states that.

Check the deposition page 40 and 41 where the CSU rep clearly stated that the inec diploma never emanated from CSU!
Concentrate on 19 and 23

Let me ask you a question.... What makes a certificate or document fake or forged?
Just a simple question!

GeneralDae:
Okay give me what you think is your strongest line from those screenshots that makes you believe certificate was forged.
Just mention the line numbers you want me to read. Start with the strongest one you think I should look into first.

The deposition shows that the inec diploma never emanated from CSU according to the representative!
The deposition also shows that there is no third party vendor involved but rather there is a form online that is filled to obtain the certificate or diploma!

Racoon:
Peter Obi simply asked Tinubu to do the needful once and for all not wanting to prejudiced the ongoing legal battle @ the Supreme Court.

Simple!