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pls everyone, read this link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/1318212/firstborn-does-it-mean-first/28

https://www.nairaland.com/1318212/firstborn-does-it-mean-first/27

Bernimoore ask me to create a page concerning this...
he was arguing with by twisting bible verse that Jesus is an angel... his buddy ijawkid was with him... so i had to show them how confuse their organization is...

benalvino is just a wounded person, on the tread treating trinity, check his lies https://www.nairaland.com/1318212/firstborn-does-it-mean-first/30#16736365

i pushed him hard to prove father, son and holy spirit as one beign that is God as he claimed, he couldnt, and was angry, but rather he was desperate to hang on anything to turn off the heat from him, his friends abandoned him in the heat, then he resorted back to attack often used by his friend.

he adjusted his claims here, first he said that watchtower said " not even one of the angel can redeem man" then i corrected him' so on this page, he adjusted it.

i tagged that falsification 1(#L)

BERNIMOORE: you lied below in your post

benalvino: ^^ if you read further they said not even one of the angels can pay the ransom hahahahahahaha your case is dead... your organisation is confused

From the picture above

[size=18pt]bernimoore:they never mentioned one of the angel,they were reffering to sinfull humans, you falsefully imput that,

see the bible verse they quoted,

Psalm 49:6-8
New International Version (NIV)
6 those who trust in their wealth
and boast of their great riches?
7 No one can redeem the life of another
or give to God a ransom for them—
8 the ransom for a life is costly,
no payment is ever enough—[/size]

im tagging this falsification 1(#L)

benalvino

we are getting closer to page50,

benalvino

benalvino: ToTal CRAP!!!

(1)[size=14pt]jesus appeared just the same way angels described as being made 'in flaming fire';
[/size]

benalvino:Hebrews 1:7 “And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”

[size=18pt] 2 Thessalonians 1:7

and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well[/size].[size=18pt] This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.
[/size]

benalvino :nature of Angels are savants and ministers[/b] Hebrews 1:14[b] benalvino:[/b](Regarding the angels) “Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?” the bold shows that the

(2)[size=18pt]jesus even started the ministering for salvation before the angels[/size];

Hebrews 2:3;
3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,

me and you know angels are savants of God... including michael
Philippians 2:6-7 i like this verse cause it always put you guys into shame...
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.”

to analyze
he was in the form of God not angel... then took the form of a servant... Michael is a servant from the start Jesus wasn't a servant... now instead of taking spirit form of servant to make him angel he too Man form of servant... so Jesus is not an angel... He went from the Nature of God... which by no means is a servant or angel... and took the form of a servant which is man and not angels. you failed again

[size=28pt]lie[/size]

let me blow this up very quickly just with 2 verses, ;


Act 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob, the God of our fathers,
[size=18pt]glorified His Servant Jesus,[/size] whom
you delivered up and denied in the
presence of Pilate, when he was
determined to let [Him] go.


Act 3:26 "To you first, God, having raised up
[size=18pt]His Servant Jesus[/size], [size=18pt]sent Him to bless
you[/size], in turning away every one [of
you] from your iniquities."

Hebrews 2:5 states,[b] “For unto the angels [/b]hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.”
God did not commit the world to any angel... The bible still asking you questions... but he commit the world to his son

(3)"unto the angels" yes, God did not commit the world to the 'angels' (plural) but a singular one 'first of' arch/chief angel.

im making case of an arch/chief/angel/angel but you are quoting a verse making case of 'angels', thats different ok?

so what else again?

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im justback from work, lekki trafic na wah, let me go through the tread from my last post!

ijawkid

kindly tell benalvino to paste page i4 of that journal it seems he is hiding something that will expose him, he is not confident enough to paste it, yet he had the library

benalvino

[size=18pt]on my own, im going to treat this[/size];

benalvino: BERNIMOORE from watchtoer 1991 i quote

[size=38pt]"God did not send some angel to rescue mankind. He made the supreme sacrifice of sending his only-begotten Son..." The Watchtower, 2/15/1991, p. 14[/size]

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[size=18pt]"Jesus Christ further deserves honor because he is Jehovahs chief angel, or archangel." The Watchtower, 2/1/1991, p. 17[/size]

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[size=18pt]"A religion that teaches lies cannot be true." The Watchtower, 12/1/1991, p. [/size]
The only Correct thing hahahaha^^

[size=14pt]"God did not send some angel to rescue mankind.




peter spoke of Angels that disobeyed God and came on their own mission, 'not sent by God'

2 Pet 2:4

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
gen 6:2

6 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.


but, God sent(a single entity) and 'not some' angels the arch/chief-angel (whose name jesus was not used even once in the old testament)

it was here on earth that this arch/chief of angel obtained = a name called 'jesus christ' kept as an inheritance for him.

but to achieve that, this arch/chief angel had to be made lower than the angel by his father [(hebrew 2:9) its not an insult, pls read hebrews i quoted].

the preceeding angels that came earlier are disobedient!

God promoted this chief/arch-angel after beign made lower than the angels(he empty himself making no reputation of himself)

this chief/arch-angel INHERIT the name above all names, ;in the name of jesus,every knee must bow. that is when jesus was made better than the angels

jesus was an obedient arch/chief angel

while the fallen angels in 2 peter 2:4 were disobedient

jesus was made better than the angels, by inheriting a better name hebrew 1:3-4

Hebrews 1:4
New King James Version

4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.




1 Corinthians 15:27

For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
[/size]

jesus was an obedient arch/chief angel

while the[b] fallen angels in 2 peter 2:4 were disobedient[/b]

benalvino

you are arguing and you dont have library lol... am even more Jw than you. I know about your religion more than you. so dont think i did not considered becoming one... i grew up with close friends in JW... as a kid i attended alot. I love my book of bible story. But today i hardly Go church cause when i enter and see Pastor speaking in Tongues you wont find me there again.

I look into religion. you dont know anything about your religion and its a shame... its like you dont know anything about your wife.

[size=18pt]paste page 14 the way you pasted pg 17, i swear you are afraid to do that, because you 'lifted a sentence out ot the context'

if you are bold enough paste it!

but then im treating the same querry on my own, and will paste it next,[/size]

you lied below in your post,

benalvino: ^^ if you read further they said not even one of the angels can pay the ransom hahahahahahaha your case is dead... your organisation is confused

From the picture above

[size=18pt]they never mentioned one of the angel,they were reffering to sinfull humans, you falsefully imput that,

see the bible verse they quoted,

Psalm 49:6-8
New International Version (NIV)
6 those who trust in their wealth
and boast of their great riches?
7 No one can redeem the life of another
or give to God a ransom for them—
8 the ransom for a life is costly,
no payment is ever enough—[/size]

im tagging this falsification 1(#L)

benalvino
im not JW, but

[size=18pt]paste the whole page 14 of the same journal here on this tread

where the archangel stuff is discused

im waiting [/size]

benalvino

benalvino: the people who taught you that jesus is angel are confused thats the point... they said he did not send some angels that he sent his only begotten son...

yet they say he is angel in same magazine...

this is how confused you are... same organization in the magazine is talking about any religion that doesnt teach the truth... that they Got right

[size=18pt]i am with 2010 watchtower library. [/size]

since you are with the library, paste the whole page or whole paragraph of where you quoted, and create another tread i will join you,

and while creating another tread, let me in my own understanding blow this off, i taught myself on my own,ok

in my next post watch!

benalvino

benalvino: the people who taught you that jesus is angel are confused thats the point... they said he did not send some angels that he sent his only begotten son...

yet they say he is angel in same magazine...

this is how confused you are... same organization in the magazine is talking about any religion that doesnt teach the truth... that they Got right

[size=18pt]i am with 2010 watchtower library. [/size]

since you are with the library, paste the whole page or whole paragraph of where you quoted, and create another tread i will join you,

and while creating another tread, let me in my own understanding blow this off, on my own

in my next post

[size=18pt]to clear the air, you(benalvino) quoted this journal below; not me, aare you adding my name to answer the querry? which i will do even though i have not gone through the journal, and im not a JW, but you are making case here 'some angels' while im making case for an,a/single entity Arch/chief-angel[/size]

benalvino: BERNIMOORE
from watchtoer 1991 i quote

[size=38pt]"God did not send some angel to rescue mankind. He made the supreme sacrifice of sending his only-begotten Son..." The Watchtower, 2/15/1991, p. 14[/size]

benalvino

you are frustrated, sorry for that;

meh... am not frustrated... I agree with what he said... he says you are a monkey and i said yes... you are one
and trust me i agree with him... I use to tell him to stop but no point at the moment cause i confirmed it my self...
yeah you should take it as a grain of salt...
no need to feel bad cause you log on to nairaland
well i still agree with him and true2god. I thought he was talking out of hate... now i see why you change your ID and lie you are not barister, that barister is your elder bro...
I see why you lie you not JW at first but you are a fan of JW...
you just trying too hard. soon you will change your ID again and like that bernimoore was your son.

you are yet to prove that:

1, im a barrister/or barrister (its not even an issue, but prove)

2, that im a JW

But then, that does not stop you from showing us a verse in the bible that says 'the father, the son, and holy spirit is the same beign that is God

simple.

im waiting for that, i have shown you a bible verse that refers to jesus as a messenger/angel, you fought the bible, and not me

[size=18pt]'the father, the son, and holy spirit is the same beign that is God

show a bible verse, not of creation, or how christ is in you or me except you want to make me part of trinity, and that will be 4 in 1, show a verse that says they are the 'same one beign' now[/size]


if you want to be taken seriously!

benalvino

"God did not send some angel to rescue mankind. He made the supreme sacrifice of sending his only-begotten Son..." The Watchtower, 2/15/1991, p. 14

^^ from your organisation in 1991... all you guys know is to teach lies. you can insert your oldest watchtower cd rom and check.

im not a Jehovahs Witnesses for the 4th time, so im not aware of that journal you alledgely quoted, maybe if im chanced i will try and seek to borrow from a friend who is JW,

dont divert the topic, okay?

i have told you that i dont even post from NWT its rare, but rather i dig on my own using all bibles expecially some of the oldest.

benalvino

what an irony! you demostrate a sign of frustration you earlier spoke about?

benalvino:itsfact is right... you are a monkey. hahahaha now i know you have no brain... you cant even comprehend that am showing you that the red font "angel" is error... lol and the bold fonts are what is suppose to be there from other bible... Are you with your senses? or you are comfirming itsfacts that indeed the organisation are with your brain?
ahahahahahaha desperate attempt...

on page 23, you advised someone against attack, below;

[b]benalvino:[/b]treat every attack with a grain of salt. when attack on a debate it shows sign of frustration. I don't care just do my thing

anyway im taking that advice of your, im going to 'treat every attack with a grain of salt. when attack on a debate it shows sign of frustration'

im tagging this irony situation as (1#k)

benalvino

I pointed out the 2 bibles you quoted from as error you are singing rubbish... even your New world translation didnt make that error...
all bibles says messenger including the one they gave you in kingdom hall... yet you choose 2 that makes error or mistranslates it is a petty

you imputed(after you have failed in the defination above) not point out! okay, the original verse does not include error that is a clear case of forgery!

benalvino;

Douay-Rheims Bible
Behold I send my angel (error), and he shall prepare the way before my face. And presently the Lord, whom you seek, and the angel (error) of the testament, whom you desire, shall come to his temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts.

Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel (error) of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.

im also tagging this obvious forgery as 1(#j)

benalvino


are you resorting to obvious forgery?

benalvino

why do you remove the 'short defination you pasted' to deceive below;

benalvino

[size=18pt]Malawk: a messenger[/size].

[size=18pt]aggelos: an angel[/size]

here is your original post i earlier tagged (1#h)

see it in your own quote (just in page 27),

benalvino:

[size=18pt]malak: a messenger[/size]
Original Word: מַלְאָך
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: malak
Phonetic Spelling: (mal-awk')
[size=18pt]Short Definition: angel[/size]

im tagging this further 'deliberate withrawal of the short defination' 1(#i)

just keep doing it, you will be be suprised!

benalvino

laughter

after stealing another mans work on creation (lutz) and i warned you to desist, you now resort to adding 'words not imputed by an author originally to darby , and Dual rhelms bible below? rev 22, still says if you add+ or minus- do you know the consequencies,

see the obvious forgery you did by adding 'error' not imputed originally bolded below; benalvino; Darby bible and Dual rhelms bible;

benalvino: New International Version (©2011)
"I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. Then the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his Temple. The messenger of the covenant, whom you look for so eagerly, is surely coming," says the LORD of Heaven's Armies.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the LORD of hosts.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Behold, I will send my[b] messenger[/b], and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
See, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. Then the Lord you seek will suddenly come to His temple, the Messenger of the covenant you desire--see, He is coming," says the LORD of Hosts.

International Standard Version (©2012)
"Watch out! I'm sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly, the LORD you are looking for will come to his Temple. He is the[b] messenger[/b] of the covenant whom you desire. Watch out! He is coming!" says the LORD of the Heavenly Armies.

NET Bible (©2006)
"I am about to send my messenger, who will clear the way before me. Indeed, the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his temple, and the[b] messenger[/b] of the covenant, whom you long for, is certainly coming," says the LORD who rules over all.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"I'm going to send my messenger, and he will clear the way ahead of me. Then the Lord you are looking for will suddenly come to his temple. The messenger of the promise will come. He is the one you want," says the LORD of Armies.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, says the LORD of hosts.

American King James Version
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, said the LORD of hosts.

American Standard Version
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom ye desire, behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Behold I send my angel(error), and he shall prepare the way before my face. And presently the Lord, whom you seek, and the angel(error) of the testament, whom you desire, shall come to his temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts.

Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel(error) of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.


English Revised Version
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in, behold, he cometh, saith the LORD of hosts.

Webster's Bible Translation
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, will suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he will come, saith the LORD of hosts.

World English Bible
"Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me; and the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, behold, he comes!" says Yahweh of Armies.

Young's Literal Translation
Lo, I am sending My messenger, And he hath prepared a way before Me, And suddenly come in unto his temple Doth the Lord whom ye are seeking, Even the messenger of the covenant, Whom ye are desiring, Lo, he is coming, said Jehovah of Hosts.

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i have exposed you, i told you that you are not having probs with me but the bible Dual rhelms bible translated since 1899 the oldest of all the bible you quoted, so how can the 1995, 2002, 2003 recent translations who are younger be the correct brother? sinning agaist the holy spirit can be dangerous!

Benalvino

let me add this, to educate you(my teacher,you know im a smart student)

here is it;


[size=18pt]The English word “angel”

is in Greek = angelos

and

the Hebrew= malawk, and

literally means “messenger”[/size]


check b4 we proceed!

benalvino

benalvino: [size=18pt]malak:[/size] a messenger
Original Word: מַלְאָך
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: malak
Phonetic Spelling: (mal-awk')
[size=18pt]Short Definition: angel[/size]

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[size=18pt]aggelos: an angel, messenger[/size]
Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Short Definition: an angel, messenger
Definition: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.

you making your self look more and more desperate... keep trying
common sense will tell you angelos and malawk are not same

see bolded from your own quote! im laughing here! are you reffering to the pronouciaion of malawk and angellos that they dont sound same way? it not neccesary, what common sense are you talking? do you need big lenses? even in your quote above, you denied the obvious is a shame! you see what trinity doctrine has caused you, a virus, i told you to go back to school, you dont even know your left from right, you are confused, go take a rest...im tagging this posts of contradiction of yours[size=18pt] 1(#h)[/size]

is malachi 3:1 right now in calling jesus angel/messenger of covenant? i doubt if you can answer!

benalvino,

lets start from the first two question you raised, so that i can treat objections to it before proceeding,

(1)

You said Jesus is and angel i ask for verse you brought distorted translation...

i have showed you from 2 bibles directly, but you call them distorted, so you have problem with the bible and not me! when you have not got your facts right,but you will see that they are not distorted as we moved on, thank God its not NWT, so i have discharged my duty to clarify using 2 of the oldest bibles not one; Dual Rhelms, and darby bible i can add more bibles to the list, if you want.

(2)

Show me a verse where it says Jesus raised as michael the archangel

easy one too;

jesus as an archangel himself will use the 'voice he possessed that is his own voice as archangel' see it;

1 Thessalonians 4:16 (kjv)

For [size=14pt]the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel[/size],


objection?

benalvino

sorry to burst your bubble... The verse says messenger... to further clarify it...

yes, 'my messenger' used there means angel, the original manuscript says it all below,you are supposed to have realised the defination of angel/messenger on your own, thats why some bible that use messenger dont bother using angel, instead of calling a bible that rightly used angel for our lord jesus distorted, why dont you dig the 'bible defination of angel'

let me help you with strong hebrew/greek lexicon;

MALACHI 3:1.. my messengerH4397 messenger of covenantH4397..

H4397

מלאך

mal'âk

mal-awk'

From an unusud root meaning to despatch as a deputy;[size=18pt] a messenger ; specifically of {God} that {is} an angel (also a {prophet}[/size]

question;
which bible are you using? and let me experiment or show you something new!

benalvino;

hebrew 1:5
For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father"? Or again, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"?

scroll back and have the answer in verse 4 before the verse 5 you read, jesus was promoted from an angel to an arch/chief-angel that is better than the ordinry angels, read

heb 1:4-5;

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as [size=14pt]he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they[/size].

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

so, it was a progressive achievement.

benalvino:

benalvino:"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts" (Mal.3:1).
Check other bibles including you New world translation... you failed big time.
benalvino:

3 “Look! I am sending my messenger,*+ and he must clear up a way before me.+ And suddenly there will come to His temple*+ the [true] Lord,*+ whom YOU people are seeking, and the messenger*+ of the covenant+ in whom YOU are delighting.+ Look! He will certainly come,” Jehovah of armies has said.(NWT)


you are Just plain wayolist

Your claim jesus is an angel is dead... and even NWT did not translate it as angel...

how is it dead? [size=14pt]you are the one having problem with NWT, or you are having problem with the word 'my messenger' also rendered angel, why dont you do youself a favour by checking the meaning of angel in greek/hebrew used in the manuscript, [/size]check all my post, not even one verse did i quote from NWT NOW you can see what i mean that im not a jw, im i the one that wrote these words in the bible?

i have just showed you the verse directly, while you are yet to show me where the 3 are the one GOD/BEIGN.
[size=18pt]
"our lord and angel of the covenant whom we seek",[/size]

Douay-Rheims Bible 1899 is more than a century,

Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.

Douay-Rheims Bible 1899
Behold I send my angel, and he shall prepare the way before my face. And presently the Lord, whom you seek, and the angel of the testament, whom you desire, shall come to his temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts.

benalvino

proving that the 3 are God has been done many times...

are you okay?

i said that im not disputing that jesus is a GOD, YES, christ is a GOD, the house of David is a GOD(ZECH 12: the father God Almighty is Also God, but NOT the same beign that you said constitutes the ONE GOD JHVH/YHWH God, cant you comprehend?

you are just talking trash below, after i cautioned you when you brought the creation issue, now you are talking of how you be in christ,its not the point;

How do we Be in Christ? its through the spirit right? through same spirit God dwells in us... our Body is said to be the Temple of God... so can we agree that when the holy spirit dwells in us... its God that is dwelling in us? also its Christ that is dwelling in US... this is bible teaching.
1 Corinthians 3:16 - We are a temple of God, and the Spirit of God dwells in us.

1 Corinthians 6:19 - 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

what you see is that Our body is the temple of God and the temple of the Holy spirit... when the Holy spirit is in you it means God is it you... logic will tell you that the Holy spirit is God.
the Holy spirit is called God several times... he knows everything God knows.

we have showed that father son and holy spirit is called God...

again i said;im not disputing that father is called God(ALMIGHTY), and son also called GOD(MIGHTY) but NOT an ENTITY GOD as a being as you said in pg 24 , now, show the bible verse that says 'the father, the son, and the holy spirit all these three in a verse that they ARE THE ONE BEIGN THAT IS GOD, im not asking how you are in christ, that was on pg 22-23 you kept mute then,so treat the issue on ground now pls. show the bible verse that says 'the father, the son, and the holy spirit all these three in a verse that they ARE THE ONE BEIGN THAT IS GOD
im waiting!

benalvino

answer my question first then Show me verse where the bible says Jesus is an angel then we can talk...

easy one,

Malachi 3:1 some of the oldest bible;


Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and [size=14pt]the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant[/size], whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.

Douay-Rheims Bible 1899
Behold I send my angel, and he shall prepare the way before my face. And presently [size=14pt]the Lord, whom you seek, and the angel of the testament, whom you desire, [/size]shall come to his temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts.

who is the angel of the covenant

Hebrews 8:6
But Jesus has now obtained a superior ministry, and to that degree He is the[b] mediator of a better covenant[/b], which has been legally enacted on better promises.

objection?

benalvino

and this is what you came up with?
Am happy you have seen that the father and son Is God from your statement... But dont worry I will answer your question...
First of all answer my question so i know what your stands are

jesus is a God, im not disputing that God is a title.

you cant be 'with someone, and yet you are with yourself' that is stupid reasoning. bible did not teach that.

the lineage of family he is born to on earth, is pronounced GOD, "and the house of David shall be like God"... Zechariah 12:8

this is why when Gods name YHWH/JHVH was conspiraciouly removed from the bible, and rendered with common titles God, god,lord and not distinct,YHWH/JHVH, hence we have all this argument, it was the name YHWH/JHVH that distinguished God alone as a beign and not three that jesus reffered to when he says;

John 17:26

26And [size=18pt]I have declared to them your name[/size], and[b] will declare it[/b]: that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.

[size=18pt]jesus did not say 'our name' but 'your name'[/size] christ wasnt reffering to TITLES,god/God/lord/.... he even vowed to continue declaring the distinct name

in all angles, trinity failed!

benalvino,
i only wants you to know that it wasnt your work! but then lutz work answers nothing,

I said Jesus is God... I showed you John 1:1 you said only 2... And i should you where the 3 did it... So i dont care whether i took it from a page.. All i care is that i burst your Bubble... showed you the 3 in action

where do you showed three did what? are you dumb? are we talking about creation? i said[b] prove where it is mentioned that the three persons is the one God[/b] you now went copy Lutz work about creation to change the topic, which is not what we are talking about.

what i ask you to[size=14pt] prove was that three persons is the one God [/size] but you failed by quoting john 1:1

mentioned only 2 here as GOD, Genesis 1:1-2 below(quoted in lutz work which you said burst bubble); lets see;

Genesis 1:1-2
King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


father son and the holy spirit was never reffered in that genesis 1:1-2 'as the one God' go back and read it, we are not talking about creation, prove prove prove where the 3 perons are declared to be one beign -GOD; john 1;1 only talked about 2.

besides, holy spirit is not a person

im waiting, show me where father son and the holy spirit were reffered as ONE GOD, dont bring creation stuff here okay?

@frosbel

i can see that you are surprised,

benalvino is tired, his usual song in evading questions is 'we have gone passed this' he evades questions at will, he did not answer anything,

Good question... but we have gone passed this... anyways
Phil 9:2 this answer your Questions all at once.

im composing some stuffs for him, he never knew whom he jam!

benalvino

I feel sorry for you... Even if I say in my first understand which I dont remember saying... But is it not you people jehovah's witness who always get new light about the understanding of the bible? And if I start posting contradiction and flipflop of jw doctrine ijawkid will get offended as usual... You are trying to act like am confused but I still stand by my beliefs..
now help your fellows answer this...

bolded above i did not say that you are confused o, haba how can my teacher be a confused man,

im not a jehovahs witnesses, i have said it severally, but their arguments are superior, i dig my own facts independently, i repeat again ,i dig my own facts independently.. and realised that most of what they teach are on point. i stand to be corrected!

benalvino: 1: why Jesus is the first and last?

first of what? is an open statement!

last of what? i know that jesus was also called 'last Adam' (1 Cor. 15:45)

allude what you mean to a bible verse, okay so that we start from there.

2: benalvino: did God create Jesus through Jesus?

God is not a lunatic, jesus affirm that he was created

benalvino

Who cares if i got it from somewhere... the point is They explain my point better... I can see you playing a childish game here... it wont take long before you change your name back to barrister and pretend to be your elder brother again...

So till you get something to say or answer my questions adios!

i care please, it is called forgery, and its criminal, why are you angry bro? easy now,

you are yet to prove that im a barrister, prove it now!

you STOLE Erik Lutz's work, simple!

after you failed using john 1:1 which contains only 2 persons to prove 3 entities as one God